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The heart cheek thing is sending me! 😍😍😍

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Besides, there's no real answer to this "question" because it's using morality as a baseline. "What has he done to deserve this?" is not the same as "Why are people doing this?"

The former is a judgment statement not meant for actual clarification. While it is a debate to be had the nature of someone "deserving" to be "bullied" is pretty moot. He's done some trifling things and the actions (and yes, fake coming out, his sterek comments, and getting on OF which hurt other users DO count whether you like it or not) and the severity are entirely subjective.

Now as to why it happens? Well that I can easily tell you.

Stans especially love to misunderstand that explaining why something happened is not the same as saying that it should have happened. They'll mush it together so they have someone to point to as the bad guy. It's boring and does nothing except let that person think they're standing up to the bullies they never could in high school.

i really really really wanna know what is it that tyler posey did that is problematic to deservethe endless hate he gets. and no, you cant use only fans or his infamous sterek statement as an excuse. i don't find those even a bit problematic. and i am not saying this as a fan. i just wanna know why he gets the endless unreasonable hate, why it's so normalized to bully him, body shame him for his uneven jaw. why is it okay to make disgusting remarks telling he is jobless and has to sell his body to make money etc etc etc. if you are on twitter you will see people bodyshaming him, calling him jobless, moneyhungry and what not. with so much foul intent. if you are instagram, you see people telling him k i l l himself. too many vile comments about literally every aspect of his life including his dead mother.

like, there has to be a reason, right? not even ab*sers or pedophiles get this kind of treatment. why don't people talk about the unreasonable, harmful hate and bullying tyler gets? he has made a whole video almost breaking down saying people if were in bad mental condition, than him, couldn't tolerate the immense and intense hate he gets. does mental health not matter when it comes to tyler posey?

i keep asking this question because i really wanna know why he gets this much hate and why don't people say anything about it?

ps: if you are on twitter, you might have already seen a couple of hate tweets about him till now, and if you are on Instagram please check his comments section on his IG video and reels (Trigger warning- d*ath wishes, extreme bullying, vile comments)

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Lol, tell me what Tyler Posey has done but also don't because I don't want to hear it.

But I'm not a stan!

i really really really wanna know what is it that tyler posey did that is problematic to deservethe endless hate he gets. and no, you cant use only fans or his infamous sterek statement as an excuse. i don't find those even a bit problematic. and i am not saying this as a fan. i just wanna know why he gets the endless unreasonable hate, why it's so normalized to bully him, body shame him for his uneven jaw. why is it okay to make disgusting remarks telling he is jobless and has to sell his body to make money etc etc etc. if you are on twitter you will see people bodyshaming him, calling him jobless, moneyhungry and what not. with so much foul intent. if you are instagram, you see people telling him k i l l himself. too many vile comments about literally every aspect of his life including his dead mother.

like, there has to be a reason, right? not even ab*sers or pedophiles get this kind of treatment. why don't people talk about the unreasonable, harmful hate and bullying tyler gets? he has made a whole video almost breaking down saying people if were in bad mental condition, than him, couldn't tolerate the immense and intense hate he gets. does mental health not matter when it comes to tyler posey?

i keep asking this question because i really wanna know why he gets this much hate and why don't people say anything about it?

ps: if you are on twitter, you might have already seen a couple of hate tweets about him till now, and if you are on Instagram please check his comments section on his IG video and reels (Trigger warning- d*ath wishes, extreme bullying, vile comments)

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Kinda but in the whitest way they could. They had a Black villain and now I guess he's an anti hero? Idk, I just watch in passing but it doesn't seem like they've done a lot imo. //

In s2 John Henry is promoted from antihero to part of the hero team (saved superman's life a few times/teamed up with lois/supported in fights/almost died) and they made his daughter part of the main cast (they kinda got their own subplot this season but also very shallow/quick/lackluster [bc they have too many stories]) and Natalie (the daughter) and Sarah either are becoming close friends or could end up dating (probably not); but other than JH and Natalie and a woc joining the plot for an episode or so soon and the cushings.. Not much going on

the show is very white and hetero.. Sofar the villains this season are white, so, progress? Lol

Yes, I remembered the new girl but was like, of course she's related, haha! Slow going.

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Looking back at what Nadria Tucker had to say about the S&L writers room and where the show is now, what are your thoughts? Did they implement changes after her contract wasn't renewed due to public pressure?

Kinda but in the whitest way they could. They had a Black villain and now I guess he's an anti hero? Idk, I just watch in passing but it doesn't seem like they've done a lot imo.

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*sighs* I know this is about me and that you're the one sending the anons. You had to know someone would send me these posts so why not just be direct?

Oh yeah, because then you'll be told how wrong you are and we can't have that now can we?

1. I've never said I don't care about Posey, I've been very vocal about how I do care about Posey which is why this discourse about him being queer is only going to lead to him acting out again or exposing some truth you really don't want to know.

2. I make my predictions based on behaviors, not fantasy. You love to ignore the many many red flags Posey has thrown because it disrupts your fantasy of him being a triumphant queer POC superhero. When the truth is he's just a man that has been hurt by the industry that's supposed to be supporting him and he fights daily to not bend under the pressure despite the fact he's so broken.

What's homophobic is trying to box this man without considering that it might hurt him to be so confined.

You realize it speaks volumes for him to say over and over that he's straight and his fan base basically goading him into saying he's queer, right? That's not denial it's fear and opposite to his need for acceptance. Posey has a predictable pattern for the way he deals with things and there's a way he would respond and tell those stories if all was well.

Let that man breathe and meet him where he is instead of trying to pull him into your fantasy world. Y'all use him so much to justify your harassment of women, LGBT and POC that I know it's become second nature but not you gotta reconsider that nature and maybe choose to leave this alone before it gets bigger than you can handle.

Now, I know you're gonna respond with some long winded thing where you twist my words or ignore them altogether, so I'm not going to continue this conversation. Just please keep my name out of your mouth until you're big enough to deal with actual adult discourse.

The fact that people would believe Tyler Posey is a predator or a victim of sexual abuse before believing he is lgbtq+ shows how deep their hatred is for a man who they claim to not care about.

When you can believe someone like Tyler Hoechlin is a closeted man based on nothing but your fantasies and yet deny someone else's sexuality and even claim something as grotesque as abuse to justify it you are being insanely homophobic.

Sickening.

And yes anon, I now fully believe they are one in the same.

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I hope everyone is more incensed about this than excited about the show coming back.

And the best part:

This plus Posey trying to negotiate for more $$ and failing?

This movie is dead, lol! *smh*

Also, let's talk for a quick second about the GALL that they would offer Arden less than SMS (obvious reasons) and Crystal (she ded)!

Also also, notice how they said the other female leads. Which means as a whole they are all getting paid less than the male leads (except Posey apparently and probably Seth).

This production can't even announce food news right. This movie is a train wreck in slow motion!

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Sigh, you love intentionally twisting my words, that’s not what I said. Gonna give you a lifetime of Bengay for all those muscles you keep pullin.

And cute running to tell Stitch like her arguments are any more coherent than yours. I hope y’all can be happy being miserable together. 

While I'm thinking about it can I just say how wild it is that someone tries and prove that racism isn't in the fandom by saying "Well the Korean character doesn't speak Korean and is bad at math and the actress is good at both"

And blames the writers for not showing more of her Korean side by making her doing those things?

Saying you like your poc as tropey as possible is not the flex you think it is.

Kira deserved better and the first thing she deserves is to not be put in the hands of people who complain she doesn't fit their stereotype.

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Lol, I realize everything looks short when the bar is underneath the ground, but I don’t “try”, I give you facts, it’s a difference, not a challenge. 

Mentioning Scott’s race on show doesn’t change anything because he is Mexican with, or without, it.

Not definitively, he’s literally not. He is white or he’s “other” which is why representation matters. Because the show has established that the characters don’t always mimic the ethnicities of their actors. And Posey has features that could fit several ethnic classes. Now you’re just being obtuse to appear defiant, but you’re still very wrong on this. 

You want so badly to pretend that the racism is just in show and not in fandom.

My dearheart, I’ve never said this, claimed it or implied it. Just because you chose to ignore it doesn’t mean the many receipts to the contrary in these posts don’t exist. Scroll up, brah. 

As for the screencaps, I’ll admit I originally misread what you said. In the past when you’ve used this argument it was mainly about you claiming I said they deserve the backlash, which has never happened. What I said simply is their actions is what caused it, that’s not hateful it’s true. Stitch loves to put my name in her mouth, but the second she’s talked about she has a fit and screams racism. It’s not automatically racism when you’re a jerk. 

Now, I’m not going to pretend that you don’t know some of the VERY messed up things Posey has done. I don’t even know which one I was referring to in that post, but I guarantee it was something ridiculous. Getting called out for being ridiculous is not racist. 

I get y’all are trying to start a movement wherein our skin color protects us (well, those of us who agree with you) and we can disrespect people and treat them cruelly with no negative repurcussions, but it’s simply not true. If you do dirt, you get dirty. I probably could have used more tact wording it, but by that point I was probably done with it. 

Just like I’m done with this since we’re starting to go in circles. 

Sigh.. alright @princeescaluswords, @camelotpark let’s discuss

First of all, I’ve seen you do this “he’s Latino bc someone white said he loved Mexican food and his mom has an attached surname and he went to Mexico #twice shtick and I gotta tell you, I know you’re not joking and you think that’s valid and also it’s totally racist so please pocket this bc especially coming from you, it’s gross.

First let’s talk about Latinx signifiers. At no point does Scott mention a Tia, an Abuela or any form of familial connection. Even in non Spanish speaking households these signifiers exist. Teen Wolf didn’t do holidays but there’s no ofrenda in the background, not even textiles that would point to Posey’s own indigenous background. That’s because Scott McCall was written as a white character.

So what does that mean? It means he was written universally to appeal to the majority demographic watching the show. Anyone can relate to him because they see themselves when they look at him. And in order to make him relatable they shave his character down to the lowest common denominator.

Or to put it in a more obvious way, Scott McCall was written by a white man. And if a white man has written a character, and then casts a person of color who was not originally meant for the role, AND NOTHING CHANGES IN THE SCRIPT, that’s racist or at the very least fertile breeding ground for large amounts of nonsense.

The fact Jeff couldn’t be assed to include any ethnic elements to give more depth to Scott’s character is just plain lazy. He wasn’t trying to be groundbreaking, he wasn’t trying to represent other alternative latinx households, he simply did not care until he was told he would be awarded and even then it was for casting Posey, not for Scott being a character of color. Because news flash, it doesn’t matter that Posey thought Scott may be half Latinx, it’s the writers that dictate what that looks like.

Additionally, and this is a personal gripe, the idea that “well not all Latinx households speak Spanish, or have xyz signifiers!”, while that’s true and valid, it is not something that ever needs to be explored in a show where he is the only alleged latinx presence.

Another example is the way they dealt with Kira. She couldn’t speak Korean and was bad at math but Arden can speak Korean and is extremely intelligent. So why try to write an alternative experience that Arden hasn’t experienced? Why was it necessary to flip a trope with her character? This defense of Jeff’s laziness is wild justification.

In order for shows with a majority white cast to get away with this they need to have additional, traditional representation first and then they can talk about blazing paths for the unseen. Or they need to verbally address it. The problem is Jeff thought that by making Beacon Hills color blind it meant that no one could have culture, which is the entire issue with that concept.

You end up with a show where we never see any of the Black characters parents or family but Liam has a Black Daddy and Malia has two dads. Where Scott, a Latinx character has two latinx parents one of which is a single nurse mother and the other is an abusive alcoholic. You end up with a show that has not one, not two, but FOUR mystical negros!

You end up with a show where a white were panther drags a latinx character toexico and turns him into a Germanic berserker. A show where the one Latinx presence we do get is by seemingly nefarious hunters?

And omg my GAWD do not get me started either the Internment Camp romance!

You cannot couch a character of color with stereotypes and not balance it with positive cultural representation! If you do it leads to nearly a decade of fandom infighting.

Lastly, why do we see Boyd as Black?

Because we have eyes.

Posey may have latinx features, but he could also pass for Italian, for Greek, for Portuguese, for allammer of ethnicity.

Because, and this is gonna blow yall: ETHNICITY =/= RACE

The reason we are Black is because we’re not white. Let that sink in. We were judged by the color of our skin because it was easier to round us up then try to go after the white indentured servants. So the idea of Black being obvious and different is something that has been ingrained into our society for CENTURIES.

Boyd is Black but he could also be African American, he could be Haitian, he could be Jamaican, which is it Prince?

If you can tell ethnicity just by looking then what’s Boyd’s background?

Not all people of color experience racism the same way and to try and level and homogenize those experiences is dismissove, racist and reeks of white privilege. Black people have the bonus of being judged solely by our race without need for ethnic background. Blackfolk have created a culture because ours was forcibly stripped from us so miss me with “how did you know Boyd was Black, I don’t see color except for Scott who is very obviously Indigenous Mexican.” 🙄

Don’t be lazy like Jeff, don’t be boring and maybe you can work on not being wrong all the time too.

It’s Black History Month. Maybe try.

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Cam, you can't try to act all put out and then completely contradict yourself in the first few sentences!

No shit people don’t experience racism the same way. That does not mean they don’t experience racism at all.

Who ever said anyone doesn't experience racism? I have said plainly over and over that Teen Wolf has a major problem with racism and then proceeded to list several examples. However, those problems neither start nor end with Scott McCall. He is part of the whole, and y'all love to act like he is the ultimate case study. And so you make up things to call racist that aren't. The point was we knonw Boyd is Black for different reasons then we assume Scott to be Latine.

Such as insinuating that other races aren’t judged based solely on their skin color.

Lol, see? Instead of just admitting you're wrong, y'all love to try people. Because that was neither said nor implied and again I gave VERY specific examples. You can't take what someone says and twist it to fit your narrative and call it a good faith argument. You can't law of contrapositive your way to being right.

You seem to have this idea that there is only one form of racism. That if it isn’t yelling slurs at one particular group that it isn’t valid.

Again, you're creating an argument out of nothing I've said. Racism is racism, but every interaction is not racist because it happened to a person of color or because it came from a white person. Racism doesn't have degrees but it does have parameters. You have to consider intent and direct effect.

Don’t think I didn’t see that tweet saying that Stitch brought the harrasment and racism on herself for the things she’s done. Just like you did with Posey.

Mmmm, let's not resort to lies. You wanna spread this slander you better come with receipts. For both claims.

Here is the hard fact. Scott never had to say or show one thing that dealt with Mexican and it changes absolutely nothing.

What does this even mean? It would change a lot of things, this entire argument in fact.

Not to even talk of how you and your group portray Boyd as a silent yes man to two white men.

I love you pretend that you a) care about Boyd, and b) have read anything a sterek has written about Boyd. Since he's not Scott I'm surprised you know he exists at all.  Also, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but a throughline with the other people of color and the white people (so basically everyone) is they have to be subservient to Scott in order to be respectable. You do this all the time, especially when talking about how Derek was only redeemed bc of Scott. It’s... weird.

You are trying to pull a divide and conquer with who truly experiences racism fandom and who doesn’t.

This is particularly funny because from the beginning I've been ship and let ship. It's y'all and your ~friends (the ones who use you so they can say a POC agrees with their nonsense) who decided to dismiss people of color and other marginalized groups to "defend" a fictional character. Now, who's causing the divide? You know, I used to sympathize with you because you were a poc and you were angry at the racist nonsense on this show. But the second you pivoted to not blaming the show, but instead blaming the viewers carte blanche? You lost me. You don't know Jeff Davis, you don't know Tyler Posey, I've probably met him more than you have. And yet you will go out of your mind in his name instead of interacting with the fans who have formed an awesome community around this show. That's sad, and we know misery loves company so as long as you can get others in your ranks then it means you're okay and you're not alone. And if in order to get them you try to use shame and try to twist their words and accuse them of every -ism under the sun, well then, the ends justify the means, don't they? You know how I deal with fandom racism? I respectfully and nicely make an inquiry about something I may not have understood. And if they respond kindly we have a back and forth and things are learned and behaviors are changed. And for the people that don't write back or that respond defensively? I block them or just scroll past because you can't change people. Especially not by lying to them there's a reason the same stereks are still around and yet the Scott stand turn over every few years. You get to a point where you're just tired of inducing the negativity in a way that does't effect any change. Aren't you tired yet, Cam?

Sigh.. alright @princeescaluswords, @camelotpark let's discuss

First of all, I've seen you do this "he's Latino bc someone white said he loved Mexican food and his mom has an attached surname and he went to Mexico #twice shtick and I gotta tell you, I know you're not joking and you think that's valid and also it's totally racist so please pocket this bc especially coming from you, it's gross.

First let's talk about Latinx signifiers. At no point does Scott mention a Tia, an Abuela or any form of familial connection. Even in non Spanish speaking households these signifiers exist. Teen Wolf didn't do holidays but there's no ofrenda in the background, not even textiles that would point to Posey's own indigenous background. That's because Scott McCall was written as a white character.

So what does that mean? It means he was written universally to appeal to the majority demographic watching the show. Anyone can relate to him because they see themselves when they look at him. And in order to make him relatable they shave his character down to the lowest common denominator.

Or to put it in a more obvious way, Scott McCall was written by a white man. And if a white man has written a character, and then casts a person of color who was not originally meant for the role, AND NOTHING CHANGES IN THE SCRIPT, that's racist or at the very least fertile breeding ground for large amounts of nonsense.

The fact Jeff couldn't be assed to include any ethnic elements to give more depth to Scott's character is just plain lazy. He wasn't trying to be groundbreaking, he wasn't trying to represent other alternative latinx households, he simply did not care until he was told he would be awarded and even then it was for casting Posey, not for Scott being a character of color. Because news flash, it doesn't matter that Posey thought Scott may be half Latinx, it's the writers that dictate what that looks like.

Additionally, and this is a personal gripe, the idea that "well not all Latinx households speak Spanish, or have xyz signifiers!", while that's true and valid, it is not something that ever needs to be explored in a show where he is the only alleged latinx presence.

Another example is the way they dealt with Kira. She couldn't speak Korean and was bad at math but Arden can speak Korean and is extremely intelligent. So why try to write an alternative experience that Arden hasn't experienced? Why was it necessary to flip a trope with her character? This defense of Jeff's laziness is wild justification.

In order for shows with a majority white cast to get away with this they need to have additional, traditional representation first and then they can talk about blazing paths for the unseen. Or they need to verbally address it. The problem is Jeff thought that by making Beacon Hills color blind it meant that no one could have culture, which is the entire issue with that concept.

You end up with a show where we never see any of the Black characters parents or family but Liam has a Black Daddy and Malia has two dads. Where Scott, a Latinx character has two latinx parents one of which is a single nurse mother and the other is an abusive alcoholic. You end up with a show that has not one, not two, but FOUR mystical negros!

You end up with a show where a white were panther drags a latinx character toexico and turns him into a Germanic berserker. A show where the one Latinx presence we do get is by seemingly nefarious hunters?

And omg my GAWD do not get me started either the Internment Camp romance!

You cannot couch a character of color with stereotypes and not balance it with positive cultural representation! If you do it leads to nearly a decade of fandom infighting.

Lastly, why do we see Boyd as Black?

Because we have eyes.

Posey may have latinx features, but he could also pass for Italian, for Greek, for Portuguese, for allammer of ethnicity.

Because, and this is gonna blow yall: ETHNICITY =/= RACE

The reason we are Black is because we're not white. Let that sink in. We were judged by the color of our skin because it was easier to round us up then try to go after the white indentured servants. So the idea of Black being obvious and different is something that has been ingrained into our society for CENTURIES.

Boyd is Black but he could also be African American, he could be Haitian, he could be Jamaican, which is it Prince?

If you can tell ethnicity just by looking then what's Boyd's background?

Not all people of color experience racism the same way and to try and level and homogenize those experiences is dismissove, racist and reeks of white privilege. Black people have the bonus of being judged solely by our race without need for ethnic background. Blackfolk have created a culture because ours was forcibly stripped from us so miss me with "how did you know Boyd was Black, I don't see color except for Scott who is very obviously Indigenous Mexican." 🙄

Don't be lazy like Jeff, don't be boring and maybe you can work on not being wrong all the time too.

It's Black History Month. Maybe try.

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The situation that the OP was referring to was in canon where Scott was more concerned about making out with Allison instead doing what they were there to do.

So once again, assuming the worst does nothing but make an ass out of you. And when you compound all of these trumped up infractions, it makes it easier to feel justified ascribing it to the entire fandom and it’s not right, either factually or morally. .

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And fandom totally harasses people, other fans and actors. Put another way, individuals harass others and actors, and a large part of fandom turns a blind eye. There are multiple Twitter accounts dedicated to harassing Posey right now that spam homophobic and racist slurs about him. You can say it’s one person, or some trolls, or wankers for clout, but it’s targeted bigoted harassment. And that is their fault. And you can’t blame Davis when other fans or the fandom ignores or encourages it. 2/2

So here's where there's an issue. People can say whatever they want as long as they keep it to their areas. I don't go after antis for the loads of mess they have on their blogs, I go after them when they veer into my lane and start dumping on other fandomers who are usually pretty innocent.

There may be blogs dedicated to hating Posey/Scott, but they don't tag him in these things. They can say whatever they want as long as they don't directly engage.

I see more people talk about the hate Posey gets than actual Posey hate and that's an issue.

Also am issue? Saying it's on to call people racist and stupid and bad people and all manner of - ist just bc we don't see Scott in the same way. And it's just as bad to turn a blind eye.

The moment someone prioritizes the unattainable feelings of celebs they don't know Ober the feelings of the people they interact with constantly? The plot has been lost. It's no longer a fandom it's an uncooperative sounding board.

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I don’t have screenshots. But other fans do, and I read the original posts. It wasn’t fic. It was meta about how Scott broke into Allison’s room and how it was symbolic or literal sexual assault. As for Boyd and Scott: it matters because Boyd isn’t blamed for what he did from wolfsbane, but Scott is. When he has the flare, it’s the wolfsbane. But when he looks for Allison, people say it’s his fault despite the wolfsbane. The wolfsbane matters except when fans want to blame Scott. 1/2

I still disagree. Boyd what, went and smashed a soda machine? And it sounds like people acknowledged the woldsbane in Scott's case and then justade fun that of course he went after Allison, which, of course he did, he was Allison crazy. Still not racist even tho it's highkey annoying. Someone else wrote in about the window scene.

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The Scott Broke In Scene is from the episode after they stole Allison’s necklace. Later, she has a dream about Scott kissing her. It’s shot like he came into her room and kissed her as she slept at night, and it’s verified to be Allison’s dream. Then she wakes up and realizes her necklace gone. People wrote posts about how creepy it was for Scott to break in her room and kiss her. Other people wrote about how it was about Scott’s obsession. It wasn’t. It was Allison dreaming about her crush.

Yeah, I've never heard about this discourse but it's gotta be easy to ignore. It can't be that prolific. Wanting it to not exist at all is kind of impossible but understandable. Trying to make it into something race related just reveals a lack of understanding about scifi character tropes. That's annoying, but it's not racist and makes sense of you put Scott in the archetypal hero role.

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Yeah: Davis can’t write social issues for shit. He didn’t think if having Scott’s werewolf control revolve around a girl would read different for Scott that’s Latino vs a Scott played by a white actor. But fandom making claims like Scott broke in to kiss Allison in her sleep when that’s not what happened is fandom making shit up against Scott. And it does matter if Boyd and Scott are both acting a way because of wolfsbane. Fans blame Scott for things he can’t control. 1/2

Davis can’t write for shit, and he should have been better about how he wrote Scott as a hero. And how he wrote about race, sexuality, and love. He should have written all the relationships better. He should have treated the actors better. That is Davis fault. Fans blaming Scott for things he can’t control is fans fault. Fans making things up is on fans. Fans making racist jokes or other offensive jokes is fans fault. Fans harassing actors and other fans is on fans. Not Davis or the show. 2/2

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I'm going to agree and disagree with you.

I'm not familiar with the idea of Scott breaking in to kiss Allison in her sleep, I'm not sure when this even would have happend. So no, "fandom" didn't make this claim, it sounds like maybe you read it in a fic, but I doubt that fic was canon compliant. Also, not a Latinx stereotype. Again, them painting him in a way you don't like =/= being racist.

I didn't say it didn't matter about the way the wolfsbane controlled everyone, I said the implications are weighted different. Boyd's actions aren't measured the same. That said, I'm not sure what the blame aspect is or again, how it relates to him being Latinx? Was he not supposed to be effected the wolfsbane? I guess I don't get how this fits in, sorry.

So where I'll agree is Davis is a good ideas guys but he sucks at execution. This is why I said Aeon would be fantastic. Every ep is a bottle episode, so he doesn't have to worry about continuity or realistic character development.

I don't think fans blame Scott for things he can't control, I think what they do is hold him accountable for his actions, even if they're caused by things he can't control. To go back to the writing, this show has a HUGE problem with having Scott acknowledge when he's messed up. And an even worse time trying to build his hero complex inorganically. At some point some is like "Aren't you Scott McCall, I heard you took down an enitre pack of alphas!" and like... no, no he didn't. That's not at all true. But he's never checked for it and he makes terrible decisions based on that reputation.

That's canon, there are actual examples and antis insisting that everything we list as an example is justified because XYZ, but then dismiss our ABC paints a bad picture in bad faith.

Also, fandom doesn't harass actors. There have been a literal handful of trolls over the years, but there has never been a concentrated attack directed towards Posey, even after BWT.

You know when there was a coordinated attack against fandom? When people decided that the scerek troll on ao3 was a sterek and decided to punish the entire sterek fandom because of it.

Do some people complain and talk head on social media? Sure, but you can't control people, you can only control your reacting to the. And judging the entire fandom based on unfavorable opinions or actions to you isn't a good look.

All of this said, it still doesn't have anything to do with Posey being biracial. And just because he's biracial doesn't mean any criticism of him is racist.

AND trying to compare him to other characters is also highkey racist. Yes I'm talking to y'all that say Posey has had it worse than Jon Boyega who had pictures of gorrilas and monkeys sent to him and was constantly called the n-word. Y'all just need to squash that all together.

If your argument can't stand on its own, it's not an argument.

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Many fans don’t get to the point of asking “is this thought I’m having racist?” They just don’t think about it. , or they don’t care. Production was itself a shitshow. Jeff Davis can’t deal with social issues for shit. Sad but true. Fans are still responsible when they are racist themselves. I am not one of Prince&Co or w/e. Just a fan sick of seeing fans shit on Scott for things they twist or make up. But fuck the ass who sent you “kill yourself.” Not me not ok. Fuck them. 3/3

The issue is we have no idea how many do or don't think about it because we don't know those people. So what I've seen the anti crew do is stretch and pull the definition of racism until it fits their instance and then say everyone is racist. Also, many may not but I guarantee they do when they see someone telling them watching the show while being white means you're racist.

I asked pew once and he never answered, quelle suprìse, can I ship sterek in a none racist way?

I've read some of their thoughts on the matter and the overwhelming answer seems to be No, unless you're one of us. And the way they "ship" sterek is by ensuring that both boys know Scott is more important than them, a better person and 5he other person is a downgrade from Scott should Scott want a relationship with either. Then you have to ensure both Stiles and Derek talk only about Scott and prioritize their relationship after Scott.

But it doesn't matter anyway because they hate each other and the only reason they would get together is because of Scott. I hope you can appreciate how idiotic that sounds, and frankly how patronizing and tokenist it sounds.

So I don't trust the antis that they actually care about Scott being a character of color. I think they just use him to feel like the kings of the hill.

ALL OF THAT SAID, one of the reasons I always go off about this is because parts of fandom are racist af. But a large percentage of those infractions neither start nor end with Scott McCall. So everytime these antis go off about Scott but completely ignore charcters like Deaton and Boyd (or worse yet, only talk about them in comparison to Scott and how Scott has it worse?) it makes it hard to address the actual issue.

The biggest form of racism against Scott was the fact that they cast a biracial Mexican boy and didn't change the script in the least. Which means they didn't consider the additional implication some of the scenes could have. The dog bowl for example. Plays fine with a white guy, not so much with a a Black or Latinx dude. Actually wanna talk about the oversexualization of people of color, Erica effing Reyes. Being tarred up and overly sexual and yet the antis have NADA to say about the racist implications of that.

So I do acknowledge and speak about actual racism that happens. But I don't waste time with white people who think they know my life and mind better than me. Especially when the few ay the tip are sheltered. I can probably count on one hand the people of color that pew and lil have ever met. Most of their thoughts on race theory came from The Help.

Lastly, I know it's annoying to see people capping on Scott, but there are. Ways to avoid it. And despite what the antis say there's so much positive Scott content in sterek fic it's ridiculous. Personally when I've seen something racist, I point it out in a respectful way and 99% of the time it's addressed or changed with no issue. I don't go in assuming people are terrible and I feel like this is the shame tactic the antis are still trying to hone despite the fact it's never been truly productive.

Some of it though you just have to scroll past, and find your group of Scott friends and love on him. I can rec a few discords. But what the antis do isn't it. It's not even cathartic because it relies on unjustified and ill informed (incredibly ill informed) rage!

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Or when multiple people say Scott is dangerous when he had a hallucination he didn’t want about Jackson attacking Allison, something he couldn’t control. Or when they say Scott is dangerous when the wolfsbane made him look for Allison at the hotel, when we know the wolfsbane was making him, Boyd, and Ethan do things against their conscious will? People act like Scott is dangerous because of things he can’t control and doesn’t even want to do. Not in a fic. Just in bad meta.

Are they saying he's dangerous or are they sayi g he's irresponsible? The reason his hallucination features Allison and the woldsbane made him look for Allison is because he was obsessed with Allison. If Allison didn't exist he would be thinking of something else.

This type of distraction is dangerous and that's again what I see meta about. Not that he's girl crazy but about his lack of control while being girl crazy a d Allison obsessed. And again, this is not a Latinx stereotype. It's just Scott.

Also one thing we gotta squash is comparison politics. Scott is a Werewolf and he's the protector of Beacon Hills. So acting like his actions have the same weight as Stiles or Boyd or even Derek is disingenuous at best.

Circumstance dictates their actions and their experiences are barely comparable much less universal.

That said, every relationship on TW was toxic in some way. However Scott's got in the way of him being a hero and THAT is the distinction. Is it fair, maybe not but it's what forwards the narrative. People react to what is and not what should be according to a handful of viewers.