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HOLLY WHEELER IS A BYLERRRRR

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It’s so sweet bc you just KNOW that Mike is all Joyce and Jonathan could ever hope for Will: someone who loves him—like REALLY loves him—unconditionally, and it’s in the deepest parts of who he is to protect Will and keep him safe at all times. For a boy who grew up with an abusive father and then no father at all, it must be so cathartic for Joyce and Jonathan to give up their boy and hand him over to someone who lives and breathes his protection and safety. Mike is the antithesis of Lonnie and everything Will needs.

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This is asking about people you've been a fan of, and how controversial they were WHILE you were a fan of them. For example, if you knew that someone was an 8 and you were a fan regardless, rate that person an 8; however, if you thought they were a 2 at the time and stopped being a fan after they did something that made them an 8, rate them as a 2.

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Jonathan byers the best brother in the world ❤️

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All he does all episode is be driven in his relationship with El

Driven in his relationship with El

Driven in his relationship with E-

...

In his relationship, he's

Ope-

What changed?

What I know is it's one plot. His plot isn't being with El. His plot is how his fight with Will affected him being with El.

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he is so silly

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Do you have an "impossible" phobia? I mean, there's ABSOLUTELY NO chances for you to encounter something you fear of irl.

For example, I do: I have a phobia of ancient extinct fish. Yes, the ones that lived millions and millions years ago. When I was five, I was given a children's encyclopedia that had an image of such creature. It made a forever harm to me.

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How often per week do you shower/bathe?

less than once a week

once a week

twice a week

thrice a week

four times a week

five times a week

six times a week

seven times a week

more than seven times a week

I slosh around in a puddle to clean myself/am bald/results

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Smiling giggling kicking my feet 🤭

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Waking up to blurry Mike and Lucas 🤗

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This will always be hilarious 😂

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why does no one ever talk about the literal fucking rainbow on the mirror on BOTH OF THEM

that's not just red that's a RAINBOW

WHY DO WE NEVER TALK ABOUT IT

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The most hypocritical anti Byler argument:

"Why can't two boys just be friends? Why do you have to make everything gay!?"

Whenever I hear this argument or some variation of it, I think back to my two cousins, one a girl and the other a boy. They were maybe six years old at the time, and they were innocently talking and playing and giving each other math and spelling-bee quizzes. ALL my family were giggling, saying they were going to be boyfriend and girlfriend.

I also think back to all the times I see young girls being judged on their physical beauty and told they're going to have a handsome boy when they grow up because they're so pretty.

From childhood, boys and girls have their sexuality assumed for them. Their SEXUALITY and romantic possibility are talked about openly in front of their face. They're made to look at themselves sexually before they even want to.

So when people yell at Byler fans saying "Why do you have to make everything gay?" I want to scream at them:

"Why do you have to make everything straight!?"

Why do you insist on sexualizing children to be heterosexual even before they're ready to start thinking of themselves in those terms?

Why do you have no problem with Mike kissing El in season 1 right after she asks him if he's like her "brother"?

Why do you idealize their relationship when they were children, while simultaneously trying to shame Byler fans for trying to "sexualize children" even though these are fictional characters and the actors who play Mike and Will are already adults?

Why do you shame any thought or possibility of homosexual romance, while imposing heterosexual norms on everyone?

This hypocrisy distorts how Milkvans view Mike and El. We're told that if Mike and Will get together, that would mean Mike "used El" and El would never be able to forgive him.

Not only does this disregard that people can have amicable break-ups and still be close friends: it also shows that the idea of a platonic loving relationship between a Mike and El is beyond their comprehension. To them, the only loving relationships boys and girls can have with each other are romantic ones.

(Now, before anyone objects: sure many people accept Robin and Steve, but that's because Robin is canonically gay. We all know that before she came out many of us (me included!) were shipping those two as a couple!)

If a someone ships Mike and El WITHOUT El confronting him about his poor treatment of her in early s4, without there being a honest conversation about that, this definitely raises an eyebrow from me. No "love confession" can address that: fear of losing her did NOT explain failing to comfort her or say he loved her. Theoretically it's possible for these two to repair things, and if Milkvan is endgame I hope that they do! But for some Milkvan shippers the need to do this doesn't even enter their minds because they're idealizing the Milkvan relationship. In other words, THEY are imposing their idea of a relationship on these two, much in the same way as my family was imposing their own idea on my two cousins without regard to the people involved.

So if anyone asks "Why do you have to make everything gay?" it's purely hypocritical and dishonest. No, we just want THIS relationship between Mike and Will to be gay out of a sea of heterosexual relationships on TV. No: THEY are the ones who insist on imposing romance on a boy and girl when they're not ready; THEY are the ones who insist on "everything" being one way.

-teambyler

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me every time i am reminded that we are confirmed getting a 8 yr old byler flashback w/ 13 year old jonathan

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This is also why I'm excited to see Will in season 1 Nancy's outfit - it's also when Nancy and Jonathan exchange weapons and we've already seen a journey with both the gun and the bat.

You can line up all three of these shots and they'll match. But while baby Will is shaking like a leaf, Nancy has a steady, confident hand.

There's also something poetic about Nancy learning how to shoot with Lonnie's gun after Jonathan tells her the story about his dad making him kill the rabbit, and then the first time she doesn't miss after that practice shot is when she shoots Henry/One/Vecna who's also killing rabbits. With the same weapon Will couldn't use the first time.

Also love that she says 'screw that' about living in a cul de sac with a nuclear family, and then the thing with Steve doesn't go anywhere either when it comes up again in season 4.

This is also the same outfit she has on when she's practicing with the bat in the Wheeler garage and almost hits Steve. The same place where Will and Mike have their fight before Will destroys Castle Byers with the bat and says the mindflayer is back.

Anyway. Interesting.