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ok but even if kieran survived would they really let him live

as much as i love the idea of him ratting on only dutch and being either kicked out or killed depending on honour, i dont think the van der lindes would let the lowest member of their gang live after ratting

unless he goes to guarma (a hypothetical which i also love) which may change things

i honestly find it unrealistic that kieran would rat. kieran was bullied, lowest of the low, threatened constantly, and he still called joining the vdls the best thing he'd ever done.

given the state of the injuries to him in horsemen apocalypse, i want to believe he had to be tortured for information moreso than just being tortured for being a traitor to the o'driscolls. and speaking of horsemen apocalypse, i think there's one really important canon interaction. when heading into the back room, john says i knew we shouldn't have trusted that o'driscoll - keep in mind o'driscolls can be overheard confirming kieran talked. arthur answers 'look at what they did to him' defensively. this could either be a) arthur having a soft spot for kieran or b) the fact the gang understood on some level that there were things that would make any man talk, and their ratting rule was only used in specific circumstances.

if kieran ratted, it would depend on when. molly confesses to ratting (EVEN THOUGH SHE DIDN'T), and arthur didn't want to kill her. even dutch seemed to hesitate - i think the gang were too devastated to really care if grimshaw hadn't pulled the trigger (which i think is almost more due to her own issues with molly. karen openly hated molly still calls grimshaw a murderer).

if kieran somehow ratted chapter 2 or early 3, then they probably would've killed him. no attachment, still this dream of the gang escaping and getting back to their normal, so normal rules. but after clemen's point, i don't think they would've bothered.

circumstances would matter too. if kieran ratting was on the whole gang, or targeted at dutch, if ratting lead to a major character death (eg if he ratted about saint denis, i can see them killing him regardless).

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I only now realised that micah’s white hat is a subvertation of the classic western trope of good guys wearing white hats. I now wonder what an actually honourable micah would be like in the rdr2 story. I did initially think micah would turn around until chapter 5 when i completely gave up any hope for him.

honorable micah is such a pipe dream and so hard to imagine.

i have to be honest, i despise canon micah. i never had hope for micah. when sean died in my first playthrough, i was more annoyed it wasn't micah than i was sad for sean. micah made my hair stand on end in the first ever mission for how predatory he was with sadie. when arthur said 'here's hoping' to them hanging micah, seeing amos's letter, the comments he makes on the carriage robbery, i absolutely hate canon micah and was just waiting to reveal how much of a villain he was.

honorable micah probably wouldn't have had the influence that canon micah does, so dutch's descent would've been a lot more clearly his own fault. honorable micah probably would've followed a similar mid to high honor journey as arthur throughout the game, but as his honor improved i think he would've latched onto dutch more and as arthur dies chosen to follow dutch anyway because he needed his daddy figure. the biggest change would be what decisions dutch makes with micah as more of an echo chamber instead. would dutch have left john behind on the train? would he have taken the gang back to get abigail?

the challenge is seeing micah's justifications. micah is all about winners and losers, surviving for survival's sake, ect, i think high honor micah would probably come from a more whiny place of being afraid to die as a sort of mirror to arthur's famous i'm afraid. but that fear would've inspired loyalty to dutch despite dutch's faults, similar to pre-rdr2 canon arthur. if arthur's a workhorse, micah becomes the hotblood.

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timewarp adlers -

they met when jake was working at a grocery store. sadie adler was a businessman's daughter, a teenage 'woman' intended to be married off other educated businessman's son. she walked into the little store with a muddy skirt from riding her pretty pony hard off trail, and started bossing jake around like the clerk in rhodes.

jake was immediately in love. admittedly, the second jake stammered out a 'yes ma'am' sadie thought he was cute too

sadie is bi but, as principle, did not like men. she'd had plenty of female flames in boarding school and found love overrated, let alone men.

when jake finally wore her down with flowers and pleases she expected a garbage date of a meal at the bar where jake would try to impress her by fighting a guy. so she turned up in pants, a dress shirt and suspenders, to let him know the butch he was dealing with

instead, jake packed a homemade picnic. sadie walked into his family house to jake in his apron panicking about the fresh bread being 5 minutes away and he's so sorry he's behind schedule and pulling out a chair and offering her water or whiskey while they waited.

they sat in a field, watching the neighbour's cattle. jake said she looked real handsome. before the sun set, they were fantasizing about their own little homestead, far away from society.

instead of wishing him goodnight: sadie decided to walk into the house, pick through jake's tiny drawer of clothes, and confidently said his baby blue cotton shirt would look better on her

when jake inevitably came to sadie's, he decided to do the same thing and picked out a dress that was probably worth as much as his family's home. she insisted he try it on

jake discovered he really, really liked wearing skirts.

a few weeks later, sadie proposed. her father was furious, and when the ultimatum was set sadie chose to be cut out of her own family. their wedding was no family, no friends, but they still spent what money they had on the nicest dress and suit they could afford and paid for a photograph together.

their lives were completely and totally perfect. just two cross dressing bisexuals with jake reading his books while sadie polished her shotgun.

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the curious couple's unruly kids

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Ok so who is the king/queen/monarch of fashion in timewarp

Because i feel like sean would go into a thrift store and come back with the tattiest clothes ever and like 7 steely dan vinyls because they were on sale

sean is an established disaster if he ever looks respectable it's because lenny had to lay out clothes for him like he was a kid.

javier and molly are the fashion icons of timewarp. molly is living her best influencer life and only gets more stunning with age. whether it's cottagecore or straight stealing chappel roan's look molly is everything.

javier lives on pinterest and has an outfit for every occasion.

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for the rdr2 ‘fix it but make everything worse’ au what evil evil ideas might you be brewing…(IK THE HASTAG WAS PROLLY A JOKE I JUST THINK ITS FUNNY😭)

lmao it's just my tag for an ongoing series where people seem to send me 'what if this happened' hoping it'll make the ending of canon better but it's really obvious how much everything backfires guys sorry the only fix it au is if dutch gets killed in valentine

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HI IVE BEEN SO SHY TO SEND YOU AN ASK BUT I THOUGHT ID SEND SMTH NOW!! i also have kieran hyperfix. your posts are my favourite things ever. i love that man so much. so so so much. my god i’m so glad someone loves him as much as i do

before i played the game but was still getting into the fandom, at first he looked like a wet wipe to me. then i looked up some edits of him and now he’s one of my favourite parts of the game. i’m on chap 3 rn. so scared for his death. every time i see him i say hello. i still need to get some better bait so we can fish again for the big one, he was so excited about it and i am going to make sure one of us catches the damn fish before he dies. but yeah. just wanted someone to ramble to. i actually love you, (/p) your posts make me so happy.

hello hello and thank you!! kieran is such a good boy/girl/meow meow and i'm so glad to see more kieran fans popping up. i hope you get to enjoy fishing with kieran he's just so precious to me i wish i could replay all his missions again for the first time,,

i remember you sending a question but tumblr has eaten it so please feel free to send through anything else!! please just kieran deserves the world.

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Could we hear more about the boys (Isaac, Jack and Kai) and the queer stuff? The concept of a butch lesbian in a pretty dress, but instead is the son of a cowboy from the late 1800's. Absolute cinema.

certainly jack is basically a special interest in itself at this point (rdr1 why)

Isaac has had at least one ugly crying breakdown about not having a slutty waist. Charles was v confused (he'd only been there a few months) but he just had to give Isaac a hug while Isaac absolutely bawled about not having a slutty waist.

Kai really didn't question just how gay hanging out with Isaac was until Jack got there. They're all sitting in Isaac's room, wearing 19th century frilly nightgowns, calmly reading books and smoking and drinking some fruity beer Micah got for them (✨ally✨) - and Jack, no judgement, asked why. Kai had to sit there a moment and then asked Isaac 'hey why do we wear nightgowns and dresses when we hang out?'.

Isaac answered 'comfort and because we look amazing, obviously'. Both nerds accepted this and went back to reading.

Jack is aroace and identifies as too depressed to have a gender. Which translates to letting Isaac pretty much use him as a dress up doll. Isaac lives vicariously through Jack.

If John had a dollar for every time he had to go find his son who decided to hang out with his friends without telling anyone only for Jack to open the door is an embroidered mermaid gown while Isaac was in the background fixing Kai's nail polish, he'd had enough to pay for his own therapy. Not because Jack is a glittering fruit but just because trauma.

All the gang just assume clothing lost all meaning over the centuries and have no issues with it. Sometimes Isaac looks like Arthur's doppelganger in flannel, sometimes Isaac looks like Arthur's doppelganger in a bell shaped petticoat. Sadie wore pants in 1898 why wouldn't men wear skirts in 2014. (cowardice)

Isaac can and absolutely will fistfight no matter how pretty his outfit is to protect his fruit cousin and glass-closeted bestie during the few pride events when they go out dressed to the nines, but sometimes he goes 'wah dads + fam' just to watch the fear in people's faces when Arthur, Charles, and John turn up in their never learned to blend in still look like outlaws ready to throw hands. The one they should really fear is Abigail.

Considering they thought Addie was going to be a 'spinster' from a very early age, Abigail was absolutely thrilled to first a) get Isaac as a very flamboyant nibling who ended up teaching her about modern era fashion and make up and b) get to buy Jack pretty effeminate clothes and have Jack love it but also finally get to be a girl mom. She is also the most likely to end up in jail if anyone gave her gaybies shit.

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the most relatable, emotional art I have ever made

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The traditional family, as god intended 🙏

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someone to watch me die, I bet on losing dogs

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I’m fine, girl……

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“If I was setting you up I wouldn’t have saved your life.”

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ok im playing blessed are the peacemakers. and they leave camp. and walk past kieran. the odriscoll. the guy they literally tortured for weeks. to get information about the odriscolls. why would they not consult the guy who knows more about the odriscolls. than anyone else in the whole gang. where is the logic dutch. where is it.

i think it's because only the player, a very dedicated player, can see all the situations where kieran proves he's not an o'driscoll. telling sean about his past, how traumatic his life has been even before the o'driscolls. the fear in kieran's voice when he tells sean (again, shoutout to sean for being the only guy who gave my boy a chance) about colm 'turn[ing] his men into monsters... he scares me'. going fishing with arthur, talking more about his parents only to be ridiculed, but then how desperate he is to be trusted or even accepted. the fact he's still terrified to leave camp not because of the suspicion of the vdls, but because he's scared of o'driscolls.

now it's obvious why the gang don't trust him, the rivalry with the o'driscolls has gone on for decades, resulted in the deaths of loved* ones. saving one life doesn't prove he isn't an o'driscoll. arthur was raised by dutch, and it showed in that he tried to keep being suspisious of kieran. one of the reasons why john was dutch's predecessor instead of arthur is because arthur began judging kieran less harshly after kieran saved his life - meanwhile john was still berating them ever 'trusting' kieran during the o'driscoll attack at shady belle. once an o'driscoll, always an o'driscoll.

dutch was never going to trust kieran. he wanted him buried close but not too close. kieran was always going to be just another corpse to dutch even before he became one. he was a number in the gang's roster, a mouth to feed, an o'driscoll in his camp. hell, kieran could've jumped in front of the horses and screamed it was a trap, he knew it was a trap, he'd heard colm talk about it and was a ploy to get arthur, and dutch still would've ridden into the parlay with micah and arthur in tow. the logic - specifically dutch's logic - was sound.

*i think dutch is incapable of love, and never cared about annabelle

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Found this while digging through RDR files. One of the O’Driscolls confirming that Kieran did tell them about the gang’s hideout when he was kidnapped. Can’t blame him at all, he didn’t deserve the torture and death he got. It also validates Dutch’s suspicions (when he talks to Lenny before the train station robbery): “There’s no way he would’ve gone back to Colm of his own volition. He’d been murdered on the spot. But if they got to him, got inside his head? Who knows.”

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Hi

So what is the dynamic between Jack, Isaac and Kai? Like they're a trio, or the thing they have in common is being friends with Isaac

Also I think the song " Horse with no name" by America suits Jack at the end of the canon era.

Kai and Jack would still be friends even if neither of them were friends with Isaac. I mean they both absolutely love Isaac. For Jack he's his cousin and the only member of the gang who didn't need to try to understand adult Jack - he just instinctively did. For Kai, Isaac was his only friend and person willing to stick up for him since they met in elementary school.

But Kai and Jack are similar in that on their own, they're mellow, depressed, sort of flat and it is entirely trauma based. Kai's dad died when Kai was only 4-5, and he never fully recovered to his happy, quiet but affectionate self his mother remembers. Jack, similarly, never got back to his happy, excitable rdr2 self after the gang fell apart. Without Isaac's self-confidence, self-assuredness, and general obnoxious 'you're coming with me like it or not', Kai and Jack would both completely withdraw from society and sit in dark rooms listening to depressing music.

Fortunately, having known Isaac, they instead bond over the shared effort of trying to keep Isaac out of jail or from doing things that would most likely get him killed. On the very rare occasion where they haven't forced themselves onto the Morgan-Smith camp outings, Jack and Kai will still hang out. Kai reads more than Isaac does, so they can talk about books and generally make fun of the gang. Isaac has had the gang around him since he was 9 as well as obsessively researching most of the gang, so he's very protective of them. Instead, Jack doesn't remember most of rdr2 and Kai only knows them as 'Isaac's weird family', so they finally get a chance to vent about/make fun of the gang's general quirks in modern era. They both suffer from 'I'm the only normal person here' but recognize it in each other.

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Sean steps on a rusty nail and Lenny argues with him about going to the hospital for three days until Tetanus symptoms start showing up. He even calls his Ex and her to try to talk some sense into him... (Was the MacJones separation amicable?)

Is this premise just an excuse to have Sean, Lenny, Mauve and the Jones's in one room... Yes.

Sean stepping on a rusty nail is canon he would refuse to go to hospital until he was sick enough for Lenny to be able to physically force him into the car.

MacJones was never an exclusive thing in timewarp! Maybe they could've been once upon a time but since Karen died a few years after Sean, Jenny and Lenny, Lenny and Sean were already pretty established when she got there. They're polyamorous in that Lenny and Sean are married, but Lenny sometimes still has sex with Jenny and Sean still sometimes has sex with Karen, which is what resulted in Maeve's birth. From the second Maeve was born she was going to have her mam (Karen) and two dads in Lenny and Sean. She also got a bonus mom in Jenny. To be fair she needs all four parents because she is. Very Demanding and the best/worst of Karen and Sean combined with the boundless energy of a toddler.

But also Lenny absolutely would drag Karen into an argument to win. Karen will agree with Lenny over Sean 90% of the time. 100% of the time when Maeve is involved. Imagine screaming across the house 'Karen tell the father of your child school is more important than her going to an Irish unification march!' 'SEAN MACGUIRE YOU ARE NOT MAKING OUR DAUGHTER MISS SCHOOL TO BE RADICALISED' 'She's Irish! Rights are won in the streets, not the classroom!' 'YOU SOUND LIKE DUTCH' 'TAKE THAT BACK'