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On the topic of Hogoshamaru Week:

I’m seeing antis crying about it and saying we’re “purposely writing triggering content” and I just... have to come back here and let my thoughts run for a bit because...

1. Saying something like that as if triggers are something objective - they are not, they are by definition subjective, not everyone has the same triggers or is triggered by the same thing - all of it is just... plain harmful

2. The sheer entitlement, of acting like anyone who would participate in this week... would be making “”triggering content””... for them? This week is for us, they have their week that no one has been interfering with, and we have ours featuring themes and content that.. they slander us for and we want to ‘reclaim’. Worthy of mention that they were very quick to learn about our week (I’m talking mere minutes after the week’s account announced), how and why being beyond reason, since this is a shipper week anyway and they should have no interest to stalk us and give a dime on what we do. Funny how that works though I guess.

3. Then they’re salty we might have made it out of spite, which... surprised to see them cry about it as if their Hogoshamaru week didn’t come out of spite in the first place, as a gotcha towards shippers because “hogosha is parent uwu, they’re father-daughter you pedos”. Hypocrisy alive and thriving. And again I have to wonder why they care, when technically, if they ever minded their own business, stopped stalking shippers, learned to use a block button, and potentially stopped expecting the world to revolve around them, this would have zilch to do with them at all.

4. I just have to laugh at their claims that we’re impersonating them. How do you impersonate a week... a god damn event... Impersonating requires a person. Not only that but, the events aren't even happening simultanously/have the same dates planned so neither really infringes on the other with anything. Who’d have thought...

5. The minute they found about it they started screaming as if burned, that they can’t have their own space or we’re taking it away, they can’t have anything... and again... no one trampled with their week in the slightest. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone saying they can’t make their week, or that they can’t/shouldn’t write for it/parental in general, we didn’t rally and make posts to report their event or their urls, in fact their week is still very much being held, the events themselves, again, aren’t being held at the same time and have... different weeks, and overall it doesn’t suffer losses of any sort, to my awareness.

Anyway, they’ve weaponized “hogosha(maru)” to slander and their week was at its core an intent to shame, and at the end of the day, no matter how spiteful of a response, the shipper week is a way to say that we don’t give a fuck about what they think and that they don’t have that power over us, through creating content, and I think that’s beautiful.

This fandom never ceases to test the limits of the absolute moronic and at this point... if what people have fun with makes you so mad that you call them pedos over it, I too would start writing even more of the filthiest most degenerate porn in response and see you choke on your own mouth-froth. Deserved, quite frankly.

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There’s someone somewhere under me in this tag that was talking about opinions and "responsible shipping", being called an anti, whatever. I wanted to reply but I thought I might as well make a separate post and rant to my heart's content.

So re: being called an anti for ‘facts or opinions’ (which are severely different things mind you, not sure what lumping those together was supposed to do)... ok, you’re fine with Sessrin only when Rin is a consenting adult (which she is in canon anyway so I’m also not sure where the issue is)... ok... that’s what everyone ships anyway, and it’s also your prerogative, but from there on out acting like IF people ship it in any other way THAN, then they’re not responsible or "perverts and sick minded people”... what you’re saying THERE is precisely anti rhetoric. Especially when it has been disproven time and time before, and what people do in fiction has no correlation with what they do in real life.

And before the inevitable question arises, no, HNY does not fail anything, you just listened to a bunch of idiots who can’t even settle on what age they think she is because every time you ask them they make her younger and younger, idiots who can’t even translate one word correctly and genuinely without trying to twist it to fit whatever they need, and idiots with zero reading comprehension who barely even grasp the meanings of the words in their daily vocabulary with how much they watered down the weight and meaning of the words "grooming, abuse, paedophilia" throwing them around like street insults towards everyone they don't like, or "ship wrong", let alone a fairy tale story.

I’m sorry but Rin isn’t “a child” because she isn’t tall enough or doesn’t have boobs big enough or whatever other misogynistic bullshit you come up with, ultimately you WANT her to be a “child” and you come up with whatever reasons you can to push this idea that you want. The plot refers to her as a young woman, and to begin with, I don’t understand what it is that has people so convinced and willing to bend over backwards to argue that “she’s a child” when there is no proof of that at all. Literally, nothing exists to validate that viewpoint other than botched translations from clearly ill-intentioned people, and dubiously sourced “proofs” of age when Rin never even had an established age, at all, ever, in any official material.

I know this is in fact a discussion about lolisho and that you all got it in your heads that lolisho is some devil sent thing but... it's not. It doesn't cause or do anything, it doesn't magically transform people into abusers because they like some characters, that aren't real and don't give a crap about what you do to them, fucking. You consuming media or enjoying a ship isn't gonna make you think weird stuff is normal unless you have the moral backbone of a banana forgotten in the sunlight, and assuming that people are stupid to not tell the difference, that you need to come enlighten them like a knight in shining moral armour over something they couldn't possibly figure out themselves (sarcasm, in case it isn’t obvious), is severely infantilizing. You really listened to all these people terrorize you, internalized it and decided that unironically, and without any proof, you can just call people criminals for shipping what you deem as 'not the right ships', and you don't see why that's the same thing as they do?

Not just that but the way it has become imperative to have conversations about paedophilia (which normally is a very heavy, uncomfortable and potentially traumatic conversation to have... with anyone really, let alone in relation to harmless hobbies, daily, with strangers in public with accusations thrown their way, with no basis or root in reality) in relation to fandom when those two have nothing to do with each other... Being against paedophilia is normal, you aren't inventing the wheel or advocating for anything revolutionary that your peers don't already also do, because it's sheer common sense, everyone knows it's bad, that won't change because you ship fake characters, unless, again, you have the backbone of a frail twig that breaks at the softest blow of the wind.

Are you that insecure and shaky in your beliefs you need to reinforce them in everything you see lest you slip? Or what even is this. You know what else is normal? Most people shipping.. anything ever... look at characters and see just that... characters and dynamics. And so, I have to wonder why some of you look at characters and instead of seeing characters, you see children getting fucked everywhere you look. I assure you, that says a lot more about you than it does about me or anyone shipping “”problematic”” ships. Characters are not children, or adults, they're simply characters. Characters aren't your next door neighbour, they aren’t the kid playing in the front of your yard, characters are not you and you are not them, they don't exist, stop projecting real people onto them, or stop projecting "realness" and consciousness onto them in itself, when they aren't real and they have nothing to do with anyone or anything real, they're mere figments of someone's imagination, that anyone else can take and carry into theirs, and they do not exist outside the boundaries of our heads. Characters are the equivalent of barbies and fiction is the doll house, exploring ideas in a realm where they don't really even truly happen, has nothing to do with people's actions, or how they choose to impact the real world and the people around them. All this is literally common sense, it's surreal it even needs to be spelled out.

Need we also remind that paedophilia is also a disorder and a relatively rare occurrence. The way you people act in fandom, branding people pedos over ships, you’d think pedos have suddenly taken to strolling around, being everywhere, just out in the open proudly announcing what they are and a whole fanfare. That’s incredibly naïve, ridiculous and ruptured from reality. And that plays into a very naïve and ruptured from reality view of abuse in general coming from the anti side, because from my own experience with abuse, no abuser ever would have announced what they are. The goal of an abuser is precisely, to gain trust and appear “safe” in order to tear down your defences. To unironically think that abusers would flock, not only to fandom in general of all things, a niche hobby, but to “problematic” ships? The ships that are more likely than anything to earn them scorn and risk branding them as exactly what they are and isolate them? If you are really worried about abusers anywhere, I’d be more worried of them flocking to “safe”/”vanilla” ships, trying to appear as “safe” adults or “safe” people in general, and trying to manipulate the unassuming. No abuser ever, if they want to not appear as the abusers they are (which they do cuz that’s literally the whole point of them being abusers), would come to the very thing that would compromise them.

And again where do you people see all these "minor x adult" shippers and these alleged "tactics to start shipwars" because I'd be dying to have some friends I could share interests with, without all this pointless pearl clutching and screeching to protect non-existent characters. Not "shipping responsibly"? Has anyone heard or does anyone have proof of anyone hurting people because they ship a ""problematic"" ship, cuz I sure as hell have yet to see any, what is it that makes you think people don't ship responsibly, just because they ship in a way that rubs you wrong. What "spreading misinformation"?? By chance saying “lolisho isn’t paedophilia”, which is a fact... is that what’s “spreading misinformation”? A bonus mention, because it’s a recurring pattern, how all the “children protection militants” conflate their abuse to lolisho, while in the same breath referring to it as CP... the fucking disaster. “Child porn” doesn’t exist, let’s get this straight. CSAM (or Child Sexual Abuse Material) is not “porn” - porn being something consensually made, between adults, and actors no less, porn is an acted experience. Sexual abuse is not. As for the fictional property, news flash, it does not contain children at all. Conflating the two does nothing but diminish real abuse. You aren’t saving anyone from anything, you’re only engaging in some moral masturbation where you scream and seek validation for having the right morals, without actually having to do any real work to fight for the things you claim to be fighting for.

Game of Thrones has known global acclaim and I have yet to see incest run rampant in the world because people saw it on a popular show and couldn't think for themselves that in real life that stuff is whack. It's also funny to me how there are real tags on social media where actual CSAM is shared by actual awful predators, and NO ONE, not one of you fandom activists claiming ships are equivalent to abuse, ever militate to dismantle THOSE tags, and that content, but you take it out on people who ship fake characters, on the basis that the fake number slapped on the nonexistent pixel isn't high and moral enough. Insane.

If you act like a fancop and demonize people over ships, then don't be surprised people will call you what you are, because this is exactly what antis do and parroting them makes you no better, no matter how much you wanna delude yourself that you are. You can't claim neutrality when the bar is at: you either agree with harassing and calling people names or... you don't and let them mind their business. You're not superior because you ship "safe" ships while being just as willing to demonize and call names everyone who doesn't necessarily abide by that or assume they're x and y. Also if you cite the 10k blocklist as "a great source to find more like minded people" when the blocklist is exclusivelly antis/fancops, why you mad you get called an anti like?? ROFL??

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THIS ^^^^

Blocking is a non-issue, so if anyone makes a big deal of it, or entirely rewrites the narrative to act like blocking is in fact a sign of harassment, the only logical conclusion is that they feel entitled to access to you, and having lost that, they lost their control over you, so they try to gain control of everyone else, or rather, everyone else's perception of you. This is entirely and absolutely abuse.

Sigh, antis crying about blocklists *again* is so stupid. Imagine being so transparent and angry that the people you want the freedom to abuse cut your access to them and refuse to let you do it. Huuuh???

Also, trying to demonize people for making lists and blocking in itself is nuts. Anyone normal blocks when they don't want to see certain shit. No one owes you anything when you spew the dumbest shit possible on this earth, and certainly not when you call them criminals over cartoons. You don't see the issue with that and how traumatizing it can be, but you think you're bullied for being blocked? Because what? You think you're entitled to our space? Say sike, I beg.

Anyway, eventually the blocks pile up, it's that easy. There's also blockchain extensions which block automatically within seconds to facilitate everything. Not to mention that blocklist has people from other fandoms too, and it's pretty easy to figure that much out, but are we really surprised ants reside in their own assholes and think the entire world revolves around them? No.

Making a blocklist is easy too, the blocking part we all know, you see a mofo saying something stupid, you click block. Then, you go to settings, check the 'blocked' section, copy-paste the name(s) in an excel, sort shit alphabetically or whatever to get rid of empty spaces and whatever else, and done... it's the work of clicking a few buttons, and maybe 5 minutes total duration like??? To project illness and nefarious intent cuz you're so mad you can't harass people anymore when they have protection measures in place is d e r a n g e d.

Bonus points for the fact that they're just traumatizing themselves, props to that idiot who made a post about CyBeRsEcUrItY and didn't actually advise anyone how to be safe, they just linked the blocklists and said "they'll come for you"... it's called blocklist for a reason, why the scare tactics? Or wait they told their own to remove their emails or something like... they really think anyone has their emails now? From a... *checks notes* blocklist with their (public) urls? They really be trying hard to paint narratives and keep each other spooked, saying we're abusing them is just a smokescreen to distract from the fact that they abuse each other at this point.

TL;DR imagine being pressed by an excel spreadsheet.

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A lot of antis like to tokenize asexuality and claim that they headcanon Sesshōmaru as being on the ace spectrum to justify their hate for sessrin, or whatever form of dislike (despite the fact that they ship him with other characters anyway, so it's all bullshit from the start) - and those sort of takes feel particularly offensive to me, because they are aphobic as hell, and well, as someone on the spectrum, shit's personal.

I am asexual and almost entirely aromantic (it's a struggle to determine whether I'm demi- or fully aro) and naturally I have friends on the spectrum and also am aware of ace discourse, at the very least, at a larger scale than a random ignorant American on this app who only uses the word 'asexuality' for brownie points over a ship is.

(Again) Asexual people HAVE sex. Not experiencing sexual attraction to people has NOTHING to do with the act of sex itself and engaging in it, or not, thereof - and experiencing sexual attraction vs. CHOOSING to have sex are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS. The ace spectrum and the community are not a monolith, some aces will not like or have sex, some aces will love sex and have it for many reasons, some aces will not like it but have it anyway for yet another multitude of reasons. Literally just say you don't know jack shit about asexuality and have never spoken to someone on the spectrum and FUCKING GO.

Asexuality isn't this tiny neat box you can wrap us all in with a shiny bow to validate your trash headcanons about a character you DON'T WANT to have sex (because you don't like who the fandom wants him to have sex with). Sesshōmaru IS ace, yes, very much agreed on that, that has always been my reading as well. But that has nothing to do with his feelings towards Rin, his desire to make her happy and his CHOICE to fuck her brains out every night and hear her moan his name into his ears. He is ace and has a shit ton of that spicy, lewd, dirty, steamy sex with his tiny cute wife, Rin, whom he loves. Fucking deal with it and leave asexuality out of your goddamn mouth, fuck you.

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LMFAOO bruuuh ants never cease to reach new lows do they. I just have to rant a bit because this is hilarious.

Ants are not oppressed because they don't like our pairing and they never have been. Literally no one cares that you don't like our ship, you are awful people, we quite literally and entirely don't want you here. It is however an issue when you base your entire online experience and identity around shitting on a show, harassing staff, and fans, and calling them stupid, or worse, criminals for enjoying a canon story, because they don't validate *your* fantasies about your own ships (which logically, we anyway don’t give any fucks about... because we ship another ship duh).

They've always had their answer, which was: if you don't like/agree with Yashahime, don't watch it. Yet they still do, even with season 2 coming up, they are already dreading it, making posts crying about it because they'll “have to see” more Sessrin and not whatever other pairing/characters *they're* invested in, so they have all the intent to keep watching, despite the fact that they claim the show is harmful. Why is that.

Although we do have our own issues occasionally and I do think we have to work on generally not giving these clowns attention, I wouldn't call any retaliation on Sessrins' part "mistreating" considering we have to put up with being called paedophiles over a ship, or if they don't outright call us paedophiles, they say we "enjoy paedophilic content" (same statement, different wording). They want to talk about "sins of shipping" when they literally decide people are criminals over what fictive characters they want kissing? The irony and hypocrisy really. I don't recall any of us making slanderous accusations without proof towards their personhoods because they ship whatever other ship, that's just not a thing.

"The majority of them get off to loliporn" first of all why are you so involved with what other people get off to, genuinely, that's their business, not yours, maybe manage those controlling and obsessive tendencies first. Second of all, "loliporn" isn't an issue, literally, it is not, and that's what they need to get it through their tiny brains at the end of the day, loli isn't and will never be paedophilia no matter how much they scream those words in the same sentences trying to create panic over them (and that IS the end goal, the whole point of the narrative).

Paedophilia is a real thing, that creates victims and hurts people. It's not something you can "ship", and it's not something some fake characters can ever go through, conflating the two only hurts victims, and has already watered the term down to where it means nothing. They throw it around like it's just another random insult of the day. Nowadays I have to wonder if someone talks about paedophilia, if they mean the real thing and there are real children in danger, or if they're talking about some cartoon that rubbed their beans the wrong way, that they could very well ignore, but don't. THAT is not something that should ever have had to be the case, the fact that it is is already horrifying.

Rin is not a real child, Rin is not you, and you aren't Rin, it's no one's fault you project real children into Rin and it's no one’s fault but your own that you think of children getting fucked everywhere you look. Most people, normal people, look at characters and see just that... characters. Ants have a hard time drawing the line and because they can't, they think everyone else has the same issue. Rin is not gonna care about how people want to write/draw her jumping Sesshōmaru's shlong, because she's not real, nor is Sesshōmaru for that matter. ALSO people have rape fantasies, in fact they're fairly common, and especially with victims of SA, using fiction is important as a way to regain control. Some dystopian thought crime police shit right here.

Turning on shippers who don't enjoy Sessrin the right way? And what is “the right way”? The only few cases where shippers have been called out and "turned against" was when they went "I might start screaming age her up"/"you drew her too short/flat, she looks like a child, ew"/"I only like adult Rin with Sesshōmaru and if you don't ship them like that too you're a paedophile"... and harassing artists and shippers on that basis, which is... anti rhetoric. Shipping something doesn't mean you can't be a fancop, you can ship something a certain way and within certain constraints, and then lose your marbles when others do more, or different things to explore that same ship - and the elements who were kept at a distance were exactly that. It shouldn’t be surprising really, ants themselves ship certain “”problematic”” ships (I do so hate the word), and they’re no less the fancops for it, just massive hypocrites, and the reason why it works is because they make excuses for it, that they only ship it x and y way which is pure and uwu and safe and not like “the other™”, or through outright denial that what they like could ever be problematic at all because, after all, they’re oh so righteous people™.

Those types of “shippers” were pushed away precisely because *they* were pushing that there's only one way to ship, while criminalizing and throwing fits over any other variation. They weren't even told that they need to ship anything in whatever way, they were simply told "loli isn't paedophilia" which should be a self-evident fact unnecessary to be stated to begin with (alas...), and most of all isn't an attack or a demand to like loli anything, just an urge to acknowledge that you're only hurting people by calling them pedos over ships (without any real proof that they're hurting real people no less, which is the only thing that would warrant them to be called that way) and conflating their hobbies with criminal activities. *They* started screaming that they're oppressed by "degenerates taking over", and that they supposedly have no voice for shipping adult Rin... which still remains the overwhelming majority of how people ship this ship anyway though, so really, what is the issue.

"Vast majority" like seriously, where is this vast majority? Would legitimately be dying to know them because I don't see them. I can count on one hand the amount of shippers I know in this fandom who also actively enjoy loli/sho, and I'm one of them. Genuinely show them to me, I beg, I cannot express how starved I am for content. To claim that you're oppressed because of a couple people who didn't even tell you how or what to ship, just that "loli isn't paedophilia" which should be obvious to anyone, that in itself is nuts. Imagine our power, stating facts oppresses people now. And not just that, but that we'd even have the power to oppress people, just a tiny bunch of us shaping the dynamics of the entirely of our fandom, because we say "loli isn't pedophilia and people are allowed to enjoy it". LMFAOOO a trip.

Point out how many people you've seen mistreating S/ssR/n fans just because they ship it. You won't find many because most people aren't doing that. Either you're projecting how Antis act in other fandoms or you're jumping to conclusions and assuming Shippers are "innocent victims".

S/ssR/n fans actually mistreat people for the "sin" of not shipping Rin and Sesshomaru. They even turn on other S/R shippers if they don't ship them "the right way".

Also, the vast majority of S/ssR/n fans are getting off to loliporn? Why do people keep giving them the benefit of the doubt? You can't even look up Rin (with no safe search on) without heaps of sexualized pictures of her coming up, a lot being blatant p*rn of her as an inexcusable child.

And they've admitted to loving fanfiction where Rin is still a child and being r*ped by Sesshomaru.

Please don't jump in the middle of this just to point fingers at Antis without acknowledging the awful amount of stuff Shippers have done. Which there is evidence on.

"You won't find many because most people aren't doing that."

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I find it really weird that problems in current fandom are blamed on radfems when people grow up mired in conservatism/puritanism. Like which do we think have more influence in society. Come on.

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Which do I think has more influence on 5-year-olds? Conservative Christianity. Which do I think is being intentionally pushed on Tumblr and other social media to 20-something queer nerds? It depends on which circles you run in.

Yes, there is an intentional attempt to convert people to radfem thinking. But also, yes, the actual views in question are functionally identical to those of conservative Christianity. That's part of why they feel so familiar and comfortable to young queer people, while actual older queer culture feels alienating or overly-sexualized or foreign.

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antis who enjoy Problematic media that has the same content as other Problematic media that they harass other people for enjoying basically have a mindset of:

“i can view (x media) because i know that i’m intelligent and i have good morals and i posses all the emotional and thinking skills needed to realize that this fiction is not the same thing as reality and that i’m not harming anyone by enjoying it—but i don’t trust other people to view (y media) because i don’t trust that they’re intelligent, that they have good morals, or that they are able to tell the difference between fiction and reality, and they are harming me by liking something that i don’t and continuing to view it even after i told them not to”

it stems from a superiority complex (mainly focused in terms of morality), elitism (“my interests are the only valid interests”), control issues (“everyone should do what i say and think what i tell them to”), and hypocrisy (“do as i say, not as i do”) all mixed up in a bag of trash and left out to rot.

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I see a lot of posts going around talking about the need to be critical of fanfic, and how we gotta watch out for the messages we’re sending

Well, here’s one thing I’m gonna need us to be critical about:

Every statistic I’ve ever seen says fanfic authors are heavily female (or nb)

And Tumblr, which is a fairly US-centric cross-section of fandom, is filled with this discourse about fanfic writers who create pornography

I need us to stop and think about why we’ve decided that fictional sex is the most damaging thing anyone could ever find on the internet

I need us to think about the culture we live in, which encourages us to be sexually available (to straight men) but punishes us if we (sluts) enjoy it

Because here’s the thing: fanfic is not coming from a position of power and prestige in our society

It is a niche genre primarily written by women, for women, for free

And it is a place where many of us do find power in exploring our own sexuality (or asexuality)

Even when that exploration takes us to gritty, horrifying (or cathartic) places

I’m going to need us to think long and hard about why we’re prioritizing fictional characters over the needs of real women

And I’m going to need it to stop

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You can stop saying that cartoon fan art and fanfiction is “illegal” now.

And before you cry about anyone “supporting pedophilia!!!”, the point here is that what you’re complaining about (aka, shipping teenage cartoon characters, which has been a thing for decades) IS NOT PEDOPHILIA.  Literally no one else has ever even considered it to be that before, and you’re abusing what that word means.

According to the 18 U.S. Code § 2256 (yes, the same code that antis have been using a screencap of, but omitting the last part of in order to conceal the truth):

“The term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.”

Also note the phrase “recognizable as an actual person” in 9ii.

(For real though–I have to laugh if you’re gonna tell me cartoons and anime characters look like real human beings.  Like, who the fuck has eyes the size of fists and heads the size of pumpkins???  You guys are idiots…)

This is also further upheld by the Supreme Court ruling of Ashcroft vs Free Speech Coalition, and again in Ashcroft vs American Civil Liberties Union (the PROTECT Act has also had related portions–specifically 1466A, which antis love to parade around–judged as unconstitutional on a federal level, as was a result of United States v. Handley, in which the defendant was convicted due to a guilty plea bargain, and not actually convicted on the initial charges of obscenity.  The plea bargain was made under the belief that the jury chosen to judge him would not acquit him of the obscenity charges if they were shown the images in question).  Handley’s case is the only one so far that dealt solely with drawings of characters that did not exist in real life (as in, without further discovery of more serious content in the defendant’s possession–or ties to illegal sites–which is what occurred with other cases that antis tend to cite).

Also:

13-17-year-olds (aka minors) only make up 15% of this site’s user base.  Meanwhile, the site has always allowed adult content.  This means that staff is trusting you to browse appropriately, and to take responsibility for your browsing using the tools they have given to you (like blocking, and filtering search results).  They are allowing you to be here under the assumption that you are mature enough to handle it.  Your behavior is only showing staff that they might want to raise the minimum age limit (which is 17+ for mobile users, by the way).  When faced with the choice of either trying to monitor/control millions of people, or simply adding a new age limitation, a company will always choose the easier option.  Don’t ruin the site for all the teens that aren’t huge, easily-offended pissbabies.

No, fiction does not affect reality the way you want to believe.  The statistics for rape, child abuse, assault, murder, etc. have all experienced a dramatic decline over the past few decades, in spite of our media becoming more graphically violent, and pornography being more easily accessible.  Your logic just doesn’t hold up to the facts (by the way, this also applies to stories with mature themes like rape or murder, or stories with abusive or taboo relationships.  IT’S JUST FICTION, PEOPLE.   It’s a reflection of various aspects of our humanity, which includes the things we most fear.  Writing and reading about them is one way we can strip them of that fear and power they hold over us.  It doesn’t mean we stop recognizing those things as morally wrong–it’s just a way of reconciling their existence, and coping with it).

No, children wouldn’t find truckloads of porn in Google’s Safe Search.  In fact, for most fandoms, you’ll have a hard time finding adult content even with Safe Search OFF.  Google tailors its results to your browsing.  If you’re finding “problematic” content, all that proves is that you were searching for it in the first place.

The internet is not a babysitter.  Small children shouldn’t be on it unsupervised to begin with.  If you wouldn’t let them go to a heavily crime-ridden neighborhood by themselves, then they shouldn’t be online by themselves.  Public spaces are not “safe”.  It’s not the job of millions of strangers to constantly look out for other people’s children (nor are they obligated to look out for you, for that matter).  That’s the responsibility of their PARENTS.  PERIOD.

An abuser can groom a victim without ever using anything sexual whatsoever.  It’s about trust.  It can be something as simple as an interest in model airplanes–does that make those “problematic”?  As for those abusers, chances are that they’re not some random stranger on the internet, but someone known to the victim.  You may not want to hear this, but the greatest threat to children statistically?  It’s their own mothers.

Antis only came about within the past two years.  Before that, there was no real drama in fandoms beyond the occasional shipping war, which no one treated like anything but a shipping war.  You are the ones that made fandoms toxic.  Fan art and fanfiction didn’t affect any of us the way you’re claiming before.  Hell–people have been sexualizing cartoons for literally as long as they’ve existed.  That’s almost 100 fucking years, and it hasn’t caused a goddamn thing.  You’re abusing and trivializing extremely serious issues in order to use as leverage to threaten and silence others, and you bloody well know it.  You choose the things that you’re aware that everyone hates: Pedophilia, abuse, etc.  You know that just mentioning these things causes an instant knee-jerk reaction–one that few people will bother to look into beyond the initial claim.  You’re deliberately emotionally manipulating others.  Those are the tactics of abusers (and don’t even say “UM you’re calling survivors abusers!!”, because those who have been abused are the biggest demographic at risk for becoming abusers.  No, it doesn’t mean every abused child grows up to be an abuser, but the number of serial killers that were abused as children is hard to ignore).

Adult content of fictional characters could actually help prevent cases of child sexual abuse.  But then, we all know this was never about children for any anti, or you wouldn’t limit your concern to just the cartoons that you’re personally interested in.  Honestly, I would think you’d be more concerned about the fact that sites like Pornhub and Redtube require no age verification, account, password, or credit card to access.

Point blank: What you are doing is called “crying wolf”, and it has real consequences. For example: Anti-vaxxers.  All it took was one man claiming a link between vaccines and autism, and now diseases like polio are turning up again because of people who refuse to vaccinate their children.  If you make claims of pedophilia where it doesn’t actually exist, you are hurting legitimate claims of pedophilia.

So, anyway, if you could stop accusing teenage girls (yes, the majority of the people you’re harassing are young women–usually minors themselves) of being “pedophiles” over something that’s 100% legal (which is shaming them during a period of their life where they’re using fan art and fanfiction as a safe means of exploring their own sexuality, and is honestly misogynistic as hell of you), and that was going on long before you came along without any issue, that’d be super.

Oh, and by the way–if you choose to falsely accuse another user of pedophilia, that IS enough of a violation of the Terms of Service for staff to delete your account.  I’d tell you to just ask “bipolaramyrose”, but well…she no longer has an account for that very reason.

I’m going to tag a few blogs that may be interested in this:

@educating-antis, @shippingisnotactivism, @shipwhateveryouwant, @antisdontdoshit, @antiantis-saltmine

Feel free to tag anyone else you think might find this useful.  Lemme know what tags I should add to the bottom for better exposure as well.

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an increasingly irksome scenario

an underage person on tumblr, emphatically: IT’S BAD AND WRONG FOR ADULTS TO WRITE SEXUAL CONTENT ABOUT TEENAGERS OR STORIES WHERE DARK THINGS HAPPEN IN ROMANTIC/SEXUAL CONTEXTS OR FICS WHERE THE CHARACTERS ARE ENEMIES IN CANON BECAUSE THINK OF THE CHILDREN, IF YOU DO YOU’RE A PAEDOPHILE WHO CONDONES ABUSE  me, in an imploring whisper: you are literally underage. if all adults were fully committed to the same reductive, simplistic morality you’re using to demonise narrative concepts outside your current emotional framework, you would be banned from this conversation entirely, because you are underage. the idea that only those aged between 14-17 can write romantic or sexual content about characters in that age bracket (because it would be Wrong and paedophilic for anyone older to do so) means you’re effectively arguing that teens aren’t old enough to have any true sexual agency. as you’ve likewise decided that writing about a sexual act is morally equivalent to committing that act, by your own logic, you aren’t old enough or adult enough or sexually mature enough to be writing about sexual anything in the first place - in which case, nobody should be allowed to write such stories. I absolutely want you to be able to set boundaries around your sexual experiences and to engage safely with your developing sexual identity on your own terms while still remaining informed, but you also need to acknowledge that sexual development is part of becoming an adult, not an exciting new facet of childhood; and as such, venturing publicly into this arena via fandom, ficwriting or other narrative/public avenues means you are going to encounter adults. if you are not ready to take this step, that’s fine! go always at your own pace! but please, for the sake of everyone, learn to tell the difference between your immediate personal comfort levels with particular adult concepts and actual moral or criminal transgressions made by adults. your discomfort with a particular concept is valid without the concept itself being Wrong.   

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I am not policing anyone. I am saying that you have a moral responsibility (or at least you SHOULD) once you post something like that on the Internet. Warnings don't do shit. We all know that people are curious. Children are curious. No kid actually cares about the under 18 warning. They are impressionable and easily copy behaviour. I was like that, my friends were like that. I'm not saying don't post things like that. I'm just asking, are you ready to take responsibility for the aftermath?

You seem to be laboring under the misconception that I am responsible for internet teenagers’ poor choices. I’m not. Neither is any content creator. Do you spend your free time going after the adult film industry and asking whether they’re ready to “take responsibility” for teenagers that deliberately ignore the 18+ notification and click through to their weird diaper fetish porn?

I was a teenager on the internet once (I’m not going to say back in the day because I have followers that were on Usenet and that’s REALLY back in the day). We didn’t used to have any kind of content warnings at all. I say this jokingly a lot but seriously, back in my day, you could trip over xeno tentacle non-con in the middle of a fic that didn’t look like it was going in that direction, and it wasn’t labeled at all. Ever! You know what was labeled and warned for, left right and center? “This story has slash in it! That’s GAY KISSING!!!” 

Seriously though, there used to be a time when the fandom and fic-writing atmosphere was so toxic to same-sex relationships that the content was usually hidden behind a splash screen with an obnoxious warning in cyan comic sans. Sometimes there were “secret instructions” on the disclaimer page - people would hide how to get into their website (“if you read the disclaimer you’ll know to click on the ^_^ face in the bottom left corner of the page to get to the site!” and such nonsense). I grew up in a time on the internet when it was easier to find graphic torture porn and rape-as-woobifying-backstory than it was to find fluffy hand-holding fic with my gay OTP.

And all I can hear when y’all roll up all “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!” is all the people who forced slash and femslash fans out of their archives, away from their internet space, and into the loosely-organized circle of Geocities webrings that defined fandom in the early 90s. Eventually we all started to congregate on LJ, where content could be locked behind a friends-only filter and people could gather in closed communities where we could be free from harassment by homophobic morons. When the Great Purge of FF.net happened and NC-17 was officially added to their rules as banned content, guess who was most reported to the moderators and most impacted by the policy change? Slash fans. And when Strikethrough happened, it disproportionately effected slash fans. Again.

Teenagers may not be old enough to have fully developed consequence/reward centers in the frontal lobe, but the average age for being able to discern reality from fiction is five years old. It’s horrifically condescending and disingenuous to pretend that teens are so delicate and fragile that reading some smut that disturbs them or isn’t to their tastes is going to drastically upset their psyche. The most that’s going to happen is they’re going to come away from whatever smut they deliberately clicked through the warning to read knowing that people have some weird kinks when it comes to sex. And you know what? YKINMKATO. The end.

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Like if y'all really wanna talk about retraumatising yourself, imagine having a fucking anti as your therapist

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I've said this before and I'll say it again: it's more important to know and understand fully why something is harmful than it is to drop everything deemed problematic. It's performative and does nothing. People wonder why nobody has critical thinking skills and this is part of it because no one knows how to simousltansly critique and consume media. You need to use discernment.

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People are dying and suffering and y'all are fighting over what people can and can't watch thinking you're this great moral person when in reality you are doing nothing for anyone but your own image, doing nothing of value politically, reading nothing but garbage fanfiction and ya novels. If you think this is "activism" genuinely there is no hope for you and you insult everyone person who has died trying to undo the horrors colonialism and everything else. You are pathetic. Truly.

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Stuff kids on tumblr better relearn

1. You are responsible for your own media experience. 

2. There is such a thing as a healthy level of avoidance towards topics that make you feel unwell or even (in a real-life clinical definition of the term) trigger you - but you are the one to actively take care of what you view.

3. Avoiding does not mean policing others.

4. You have no right to tell artists to censor themselves - you may criticize what others do, you may dislike it, that’s fine - but actively asking for censorship when you could easily unfollow or block a person just makes you look incompetent in your use of the internet.

5. Do not give people on tumblr or /any/ website the responsibility for your emotional well-being. Because these people do not even know you so no, you have no right to ask them to take care of you.

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A rant, because, the hilarity

I think everyone is aware to some degree or another of this writer in the ‘sessrin’ fandom, who has actually been an anti/fancop all along. You know, the one with the big ego, typical white American Karen in her 30s, mediocre writing if you’re being tremendously indulgent but thinks she’s invented the wheel, that kind of thing, username starts with E, condescendingly tells other people how and what to write despite the fact that she writes abusive stuff, harassed an artist, tokenizes POC, a healthy dose of terfery and internalized misogyny, all that good stuff you can expect from fancops really.

As far as I’m concerned I sniffed her out from the first few times I’ve seen her around but not everyone can recognize these things to the same extent, but lo and behold, now that Yashahime happened she has finally embraced the fact that she’s an anti and keeps talking about how Sunrise made Rin too young/little whatever, “Sessrin is pedo ship ewew”, the standard (oh, and how the company are awful writers and that she would have done so much better because she’s so smart and accomplished and has the right morals™ teehee) - while somehow still trying to maintain a last foot of presence and influence in the fandom because (*cough* clout) she’s an “adult Rin shipper” and “shippers like her have no voice”.

First of all, excuse me, but shipping adult Rin is like... the usual default, you are not oppressed for shipping what’s the standard shipped version of the ship bro, people who ship loli (like me) are few and far between and we usually don’t mention it, either for safety reasons, or because it’s not a relevant detail. Like imagine acting like just because a handful of people might like that aspect too, that suddenly you have no space for your own stuff when that’s what the most content created in this fandom is anyway. We must be some hella powerful fuckers if a tiny number of us can get you so pressed ROFL.

Second of all, she acts like she’s oppressed when all she was ever told was “loli/shota doesn’t make people pedos” which is discernible to anyone in possession of a brain. Don’t compare people to predators over cartoon ships, don’t equate a niche hobby to horrific acts they have nothing to do with, those are all common sense things for people possessing common sense.

Why act like you were told something revolutionary that somehow silenced and offended you, when it’s... just common sense... fiction doesn’t breed abusers or predators, there’s no “normalizing” anything unless you have the comprehension abilities of a roasted jellyfish and cannot tell what is and isn’t normal, or assume that everyone else around you is that stupid and that they wouldn’t be able to discern on their own (which btw is recurring misogynistic bs from the 1800-1900s, cuz allowing women emancipation suddenly meant that “omg what if they can’t tell the fiction they read isn’t real :O”)

Speaking of normalizing, so this lady has been rubbing off each and every anti to get in their good graces and now she’s besties with the dumbest of them all, you know the one, the one who enacts censorship and silencing while having the profile picture of a rock idol from back when rock meant freedom of expression - a rock star that I’d bet anything would whack them with a stick if they knew the sort of rhetoric this person is spreading with his face but alas. And now miss E the trash writer was thanking the dumbo because they learned from them how to “mess with people’s heads whenever they see those pedophiles”. PFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Imagine normalizing and throwing around a term so much you absolutely lose all notion of the actual danger it represents. Like assuming you’ve deluded yourself into thinking people playing with pixels makes them predators, assuming you’ve deluded yourself into thinking all shippers you don’t agree with because “you don’t have a voice”, that is, people who actually enjoy a show where you don’t - are pedos, imagine being like “I perceive you as an actual threat to society but somehow “messing with your head” is the appropriate response, as opposed to potentially contacting some authorities and preventing victims like I claim I wanna do”.

Also just imagine plain being proud of like, being a harasser, proud of deliberately “messing with people’s heads” and trying to hurt them.

LMFAO all of this is DERANGED.

This was, of course, bypassing the fact that there are no pedos anywhere, and I repeat and will repeat as many times as I need, gods above, what people like to do with fake characters that don’t fucking exist does not make them anything and whatever fictive dynamics gets them excited (for whatever fucking reason because it’s their business, not yours) will never tell you anything about whether they hurt real people or not. What the fuck.

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This!!! It literally makes no sense XDD 

My own guess is that no matter how much boob the design showed it wouldn’t have convinced them (I mean if ‘canon’ doesn’t, that’s a clear sign to begin with), I think on top of the “minor coded” bullshit they’d have just started saying that the show is “sexualizing minors”; the underlying idea uniting them is that they think this character was groomed into... loving her husband and having babies? As long as they’re obsessed with their grooming narrative I find it hard to believe it would make much of a difference how this character looked...  patronizing/trying to control women and their bodies while they’re at it is just an extra accessory to them, and maybe even a smokescreen to some extent.

And they really think they’re doing something throwing “minor coded” everywhere (other than being raging misogynists that is, because I guess ability and autonomy to consent and be an valid adult is determined... by breasts and height?) PLEASE at some point these people started comparing this cartoon woman’s design with breast measurements of the average woman from Afghanistan just to “prove” to shippers that she’s a “minor” and that the shippers are pedos LMFAO this stuff is absolutely demented

Imagine reaching a point where you demand to see the breasts of a fictional character, to act as proof that they aren't ""a minor"" and that they are indeed the mother of some other fictional characters, when you witnessed an actual birthing scene in the show itself.

This is the state of Yashahime/Sessrin antis. ROFL YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

Imagine, these people cry day in and day out about Rin being ""an actual minor"" (she's neither actual nor a minor but you kno', these peeps have a hard time distinguishing) and then their sole appropriate response to that is "hey sunrise show us the breasts/put bigger breasts on this character we are obsessively convinced is "a minor"" because... that makes sense I guess??? I reckon hentai tape next?