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Alright, so it’s clear to me that you are not fully reading what I am saying. At all. Yes, Myrras was let back into the guild. I said, paraphrasing this, please feel free to scroll up if you’d like to read this and verify!

“Brady made the right call by banning Myrras, Niklos made the wrong one by letting him back in.”

I’ll save you the trouble and attach a screenshot of that, actually.

As I have also said, I am NOT going to bat for Niklos, why? Because I AGREE WITH YOU THAT HE MADE THE WRONG DECISION. I am going to bat over the fact that this situation comes from a lack of proper evidence to the realm over Tyrion doing this alleged child erp. If I’m going to bat for ANYONE, I’m going to bat for him.

If it’s delusional to say that I don’t believe everyones cry wolf over “THIS PERSON IS A PEDOPHILE!!!” On Moon Guard, then I’m clueless as hell, man.

I’ll do what you’ve opted against. This will be my last response, because your last two replys have been you saying “Gotcha.” because you’re cherry picking my words.

I genuinely hope you have a wonderful day, and that both of you can leave this alone.

(Also, my understanding was this intially happened in 2016… Which Brady himself even said. So. Again. You’re not reading.)

absolutely incredible that the anons defending church lead resort to petty insults and slurs instead of actual refutations and cross-evidence, and the only one of them who has identified themselves is someone who got exposed for being an art thief a few years ago

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You’re right, I did open my post with that. And with that, I will admit where I was wrong, and say that I did imply “Yea they’re bad, but so were you.” That was not my intention, so let me try and clarify it a bit.  Both parties could have and should have handled the situation better. As an officer in ANY guild, I’ve always had conversations with the entire team over issues that have come up that may require a kick/ban. To stop us from reblogging twice, I’ll respond to your other post here in a moment as well. 100% you can’t always wait for the guild master to be online, but with an incident this severe you absolutely should. In the screenshot Brady provided, the words he used were “I kickED Tyrion and Myrras from the guild.” and then mentioned the two officers supporting him. I’m not going to play the “You implied this!!!” game with you because I take things at face value.  The way I took that sentence was “I kicked this person because someone told me they did a bad but I didn’t do any investigating prior to that kick, and then I told the other two officers (in what I can only assume was a private channel, one that Niklos couldn’t see since they had to clarify that the two officers supported the decision) and they agreed and now we’re here to tell you.” Which, in your hypothetical scenario, were I Nik, I would have first thanked them for bringing this situation to my attention, and then sat down with them to have a level headed conversation about evidence, who is involved, and what we can do to help with this situation overall to those affected in or outside of the guild. I do not know Niklos personally, only the user known as Junebugkisser, who does know Niklos. As previously stated, I have no reason not to believe June and what they say, I don’t have a reason to believe Niklos, and I don’t have a reason to believe Brady.  Now, all of that said, I am not trying to poke holes, nor am I trying to discredit or become some god of debating on an anonymous forum. I have had close relationships with people who were wrongfully accused of being pedophiles in the past by people who hated them for one reason or the other. Obviously, these people had no evidence and only had temper tantrums because no one believed them. Niklos and I have never had a one on one conversation out of character, only brief interactions in character because we are in the same/similar circles. However, because of my OWN past and my OWN experiences, setting aside the fight between Brady and Niklos, the root of my argument is this

 Tyrion was possibly wrongfully reprimanded for something he may or may not have even DONE, Myrras was reprimanded for something he DID do, which was try to cover up that the accusations even existed in the first place.  Myrras being banned was 100% the correct decision, because even if Tyrion came out fully innocent with NO dirt one day, that does not change that Myrras tried to kick a serious situation under the rug. Brady made the right decision with that. Niklos made the WRONG decision by bringing Myrras back into the guild.  BUT. (Yes, I know, the dreaded word.) that being said? I still think the situation is outrageously silly.  Niklos, the guild master, brought a banned member back after six months with the excuse that Myrras was just being stupid. In response, Brady, the two officers, and SEVERAL members of the guild left. That means that they did what they could to show that they were upset with this decision, and didn’t feel it was worth it anymore. So why does Brady still try to drag Niklos through the mud? Why not focus that same energy toward the crappy server project leads that do abhorrent things themselves, and actively abuse their communities? Hell, why not focus that attention on trying to find and imprison pedophiles in the real world?  This discussion is eight years old at this point and it looks very simply like a petty grudge being held when Brady threw in the towel on that fight when Niklos did nothing he didn’t agree with, something I’ll admit that I don’t agree with either.  I really hope that helps with my perspective. I realize that I came into this a bit hostile when I shouldn’t have, and for that, I apologize to you both. It was not my intention to stoke the flames further by coming in riled up. I am, in fact, being a hypocrite about coming into things with a level head by not doing that. 

absolutely incredible that the anons defending church lead resort to petty insults and slurs instead of actual refutations and cross-evidence, and the only one of them who has identified themselves is someone who got exposed for being an art thief a few years ago

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I’m responding because I’m trying to, A) see if I have all of the evidence and resources to make an accurate judgement of my own, and B) because I feel like it! :D

absolutely incredible that the anons defending church lead resort to petty insults and slurs instead of actual refutations and cross-evidence, and the only one of them who has identified themselves is someone who got exposed for being an art thief a few years ago

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I am not, never have been, and most likely never will be in Remnant of Lordaeron! That rp scene is not actually for me. I didn’t say he’s known for it, I said he seems like the type.  Brady did do the right thing by bringing it forward, but if you’ve been paying attention, you would also know that Brady kicked the people before Niklos was even aware of the situation personally! Assuming I have my timeline of events straight, anyways. I’m not gonna say “well sure this person was bad, but you know what so were you.” I’m saying that all sides involved did bad things in the matter, while I’ve also been validating the actions/reactions of both parties, and even saying where I think they could’ve done things better. I used to help lead a guild on WrA where we had a member join who was under 18 and we found out she was dating another member MUCH older than she was, and was even erping with them. Because our guild was not exclusively 18+  (since I was under 18 at the time.) we tried to offer her help and get her out of that situation, but she lost it on us, left the guild and went to MG instead. 

absolutely incredible that the anons defending church lead resort to petty insults and slurs instead of actual refutations and cross-evidence, and the only one of them who has identified themselves is someone who got exposed for being an art thief a few years ago

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If you were tired of it, you wouldn’t still be trying eight years later. Generally speaking, cases only resurface when new evidence comes to light. But because you haven’t gotten any new evidence, we’re stuck going in this circle.  I believe that Niklos can be pretty iffy, they don’t always say the right thing and can go off the rails pretty quickly. But so can a lot of people that still get defended on MG, and we rarely see this big of a blowup about them. Also, are you in contact with Wolfie? If not, please stop using their experience to suit your vendetta.  The truth of the matter is this. You’re not going to be taken seriously by a vast majority of people by circulating the same screencaps for several years, bringing it up randomly and making a fuss for no reason. If you really want a case on this, and for more people to believe you? Gather more of what you need. If not, this situation doesn’t hold up and you’re only yelling to an empty stadium.  I’m not saying all of this to explicitly defend Nik, I’m saying this to defend someone that may have been wrongfully labeled as a pedophile, and try to wrap my head around why you haven’t accepted the reality of the situation being that no one else is gonna listen because there’s really nothing to listen to.  For all we know, with the accused’s know past, the one witness we’ve seen things from could just be a scorned ex lover or something. 

absolutely incredible that the anons defending church lead resort to petty insults and slurs instead of actual refutations and cross-evidence, and the only one of them who has identified themselves is someone who got exposed for being an art thief a few years ago

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Alright, it takes two to tango. 1. Thank you for reiterating the same bit of evidence from the same document that you’ve been showing to anyone that will listen for the last 8 years. 2. As you’ve made clear on countless occasions. 3. Sure, it’s worrisome that Myrras wanted to cover it up for the sake of guild image, and I will 100% agree with that. He shouldn’t have done that, and he should have come to you all with it to begin with. 4. As I already said, it’s very easy to claim that your witnesses exist and just want to hide from the public, which, as you’ll recall, does not hold up in a court of law as valid and will be defined by the word: Hearsay. The people who didn’t come forward are just as much to blame, because we’re all adults (presumably) with freewill and the ability to go “Hm. That doesn’t seem right, I’m gonna go tell someone anyways.” 5. My sources (Junebugkisser and the man himself, Niklos) have stated that a proper investigation was NOT in fact had because of how quickly YOU dismissed everything else. I don’t know Niklos personally, but I do know Junebug, and I’ve no reason not to trust what they say to me. You don’t kick and then investigate, you investigate and then kick. The court does not sentence a man to death and then investigate the crime after the chair.  The witnesses might not have had malicious intent, but because we’re on a video game saying “I was scared for my life if I told anyone!!!” wouldn’t hold up! Also,  6. You and I are the same, then!!! I generally don’t give people my time of day if I think they’re not gonna have a decent conversation, but I’m giving you the benefit here because I really wanna know if there’s any solid evidence rather than the same handful of screencaps that have been in circulation for over half a decade. TL;DR I am doing my own investigations and looking into it on my own with the resources I have, with a level head and logical thinking. Because Pedophilia is a massive issue, and sadly, one that has to be combated in an online space. At risk of not trying to make the situation about me, I won’t go into my own similar experiences, just so that we can keep on subject! In regards to coming off of anon, you seem like the type to harass and stalk, so I will not be! This is for the safety of myself and my friends, thanks!

absolutely incredible that the anons defending church lead resort to petty insults and slurs instead of actual refutations and cross-evidence, and the only one of them who has identified themselves is someone who got exposed for being an art thief a few years ago

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Lets go over a few things.

For starters, being online and having the shield of anonymity means people can get away with a LOT more than we'd like. That's sadly just a fact of life, I'm afraid. People on this realm will treat that like a holy grail, as if they are untouchable and free of all consequence because frankly, most of the time they are.

When it comes down to the situation being discussed, and believe me you when I say that I've gone over all of this so. So many times. Niklos acted from a place of logic, you reacted emotionally. Which, there's nothing wrong with that, the proposed crime is absolutely abhorrent and should NOT be taken lightly. As someone who has officered in guilds and has lead guilds and other small things, I will be the first to say that when you're a GM, and officer, etc, you SHOULD NOT be acting emotionally in a situation like this. You only make it worse.

Sadly you have to put all personal bias aside, and as much as I commend the quick action on it, taking a jump like you did and handling this situation without talking to your GUILD MASTER, the OTHER OFFICERS, or the PEOPLE YOU BANNED?? Is a horrible look on you and no one else.

That being said, every claim like this should be treated like it is 100% absolutely true until proven otherwise, but without evidence punishment should not be dished out. You were right when you said that witnesses provide a great deal of understanding in place of lack of evidence, but because none of them have stepped forward in the EIGHT YEARS that this has apparently been keeping you awake at night, it can only be considered hearsay.

The woman you are mentioning hasn't said anything in terms of what you're ranting over here, and frankly, with the level of tantruming I've seen from you every time this has come up, I'm starting to think you're just upset you got kicked the first time to begin with.

A proper investigation should have been conducted before you went over everyone in the officer core and acted on your own. You guys are supposed to be a team.

Also, coming onto an ANON blog and telling people to reveal themselves and then trying to bully them when they don't isn't... Really the gotcha you think it is, but okay.

Niklos could've handled things better, yea. But as an officer, you could have too. The least you could have done is taken screenshots of these supposed conversations and blurred out the witnesses names so that you'd at least have SOME leg to stand on with the arguments, but it's super easy to forge those screenshots. But it's even easier to just say "Several people complained." and not put anything else on it.

You are embarrassing yourself with this, you're literally acting like a child who didn't get to play with the toy giraffe that another kid is playing with. I'm sorry that you've had nothing better to do for the last eight years than to obsess over this one situation, I hope you can find a more productive use of your time!!

Regardless, in lack of defense we resort to anger and insults, which in this post you said, "absolutely incredible that the anons defending church lead resort to petty insults and slurs instead of actual refutations and cross-evidence, and the only one of them who has identified themselves is someone who got exposed for being an art thief a few years ago." And then about 45 replies in started insulting someone for deciding to stay anon on the anon blog. Good job. No one should believe anything you have to say after reading that.

Hope you have a good day though, love!!! <3 TL;DR Put this shit to rest, stop obsessing for almost a decade over something in an online game, and actually think logically before reacting if you’re in a position of power. It’s the same reason server projects keep crumbling and having mass exodus’s.  If you don’t want to show evidence that this guy was actually a pedo, don’t throw it around as a buzzword. People like you are the reason that the word pedophile is cheapened in meaning when something ACTUALLY happens.

absolutely incredible that the anons defending church lead resort to petty insults and slurs instead of actual refutations and cross-evidence, and the only one of them who has identified themselves is someone who got exposed for being an art thief a few years ago

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