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Russos made a lot of errors, both with EndGame's story and cinematography, but one of the first I noticed is how bad they shot Tony's funeral.

Yep, I said it. They said it was one of the most expensive scenes and they still screwed it.

Do you remember Tony's monolouge at the end? We se all the characters and then Tony's lake house and we understand something's going to happen.

I think that they shot that scene too much long making it look like there was some kind of plot twist in the end, and with my wait growing as I was waiting for something I thought Tony was actually alive and that everyone was at the lake house for Natasha's funeral.

I thought it made sense, because the Russos played that scene like something incredible was going to happen, because Tony had always lived with anxiety, depression and guilt for things that many times weren't even actually his fault and almost died many other times so they couldn't play his last sacrifice as an "Arrogant men finally becomes selfless by making the sacrifice play" since he already did it many times, because he was a father and I couldn't believe they would've shown a 5 years old girl lose his father in such a way (how dumb of me, looking at how the Russos treated Tony in their previous films) and because after her sacrifice Natasha had just a bench thrown into a lake and her teammates talking about her as if they never knew her (serioulsy the dialogue after Natasha's death made no sense, very lazy writing).

So, they played that scene like it would've shown something amazing, emotional. But instead of a real plot twist we had Tony Stark, his beautiful wife Pepper and his daughter Morgan weeping him surronded by people who used, bullied, deceived, taken advantage of and manipulated him. Oh, and after that a man who kept putting down and insulted Tony since the first time they met using one of his creation to go back to a woman he didn't even know was still interested in him because he thought he deserved it :)

Am I the only one who thought this about the lake scene?

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I mean, alright we can get into this.

The difference is that Ultron was a personal project that Tony was working on with another member of the team that was still in the research stage, so it was both intrinsically not a secret from the team and none of their business while non-operational. Going back to our original point, no one blames Bruce for the AI he worked on deciding to try to kill the whole planet, but they crucify Tony for it. Interesting. Tony’s parents being killed was fully his business and a deeply personal and emotionally damaging bit of information that Tony had a right to and Steve and Natasha did not. As soon as they learned that Hydra, the world’s main evil superpower, had a hand in his parents’ death they should have gone to Tony with it. If Tony learned about Bucky being the Winter Soldier and kept it from Steve ‘to protect him’ or whatever bullshit Steve and Natasha thought they were pulling y’all would be up his ass calling him out for keeping secrets and yet when Steve and Tasha did it it’s fine. The essential difference here is the team didn’t have any right to the research Tony was doing when he didn’t think it would amount to anything yet, but Tony fully had a right to information on his parents’ deaths.

Neither Wanda and Tony are dealing with their trauma when they lash out, they are acting on their trauma by lashing out. That’s like saying people deal with being stabbed by bleeding; it’s the result, not the attempted remedy. Wanda is demonised because she willfully worked with Nazis+ and the robot trying to kill the whole world and only switched sides when she realised she lives on the world. Because she planned to hurt Tony (and the rest of the team) and then went through with that plan. Tony reacted emotionally to being told something extremely traumatising and earth-shattering and then being forced to interact with a huge part of that trauma. Wanda chose to let her hatred of Tony fester even after having time to come to terms with the fact that just because Tony’s last name was on the bomb that killed her parents and destroyed her home didn’t at all mean that Tony was personally responsible for all of her trauma. Tony, given the time to process his trauma, decided ��resentment is corrosive and I hate it” instead of continuing to lash out at Steve and Bucky. Tony and Wanda’s traumatic incidents were similar, the difference is that Wanda chose to not process it in a healthy way and Tony wasn’t even given the time to process it at all.

There is a big jump between overreacting to someone being unable to healthily interact with someone who’s dealing with trauma and accusing someone of making fun of people’s traumas. You’re right, some people call Pepper abusive, and that’s a shitty and extremely un-nuanced approach to the breakdown in their relationship that some Tony fans tend to fall into. But they don’t call Tony abusive because this multitude of jokes about other people’s traumas you reference just...don’t happen? In the first Avenger’s movie he tells Bruce that he’s a fan of the way he Hulks out, which is the only time I can think of or look up where, if you squint, you could make the claim that Tony is making fun of a traumatic piece of Bruce’s life. It’s fully Tony trying to bond with Bruce by letting him know that he knows about this big, potentially scary part of Bruce’s life and isn’t put off, but if you want to warp your understanding of Tony as a character to the point that you think it’s him maliciously bringing up Bruce’s past trauma that’s your prerogative.

Tony bringing a teenager who is knows is supernaturally durable and also legally a child as back up to a fight he doesn’t think will turn into a no-holds-barred battle is not the same thing as Steve bringing an emotionally and magically volatile woman he infantilises along on certified dangerous missions where her presence might cause the local civilians to panic because, again, she of her own volition joined with Hydra and Ultron and showed no qualms with harming civilians and destroying property while with them. Steve isn’t a bad mentor to Wanda because he takes her out to get some real world experience (even though he definitely shouldn’t be taking an untrained magic user into the field), he’s a bad mentor because he refuses to let Wanda take responsibility for the shitty things she’s done because he thinks that his forgiveness of her actions means the world should forgive her actions. Even though only a few of the shitty things she did actively affected his quality of life so his forgiving her should only stretch to a small portion of her actions. Tony also should not have brought an untrained super-powered individual into the field, but again, he assumed his team would actually act as a team and understand that he was still doing what he’s been doing for months which is trying to protect them all and did not expect them to willfully start destroying public property in a country they are not citizens of after being informed that 117 countries all agreed that they did not like their countries being destroyed by the Avengers. Peter’s involvement was a last resort, Wanda’s involvement was active dismissal of public opinion and common sense where safety is concerned. Tony also actually mentored Peter by telling him when he fucked up and expecting him to do something about it while Steve treated Wanda like a child who doesn’t know any better and therefore couldn’t be held responsible or expected to make amends for her actions. Tony treated the actual child more like a responsible human that Steve treated the adult.

You can’t break what isn’t actively in effect. During CACW the Accords are being talked about but aren’t actively in place yet, therefore the actions Tony takes in that movie would not be breaking the Accords. Steve’s actions in that movie also don’t break the accords, they just break other laws and show a blatant disregard for the will of a majority of the world. Steve’s actions and the actions of the rest of the Rogue Avengers definitely break the accords and are treated by Tony fans as such, but it’s also pretty difficult to argue which specific actions go against this document that’s hundreds of pages long and that we have almost no information on other than vague mentions of oversight.

All of that aside, we know Tony is not perfect. He has flaws, he makes bad calls, he hurts people. The difference is that Tony actively tries to make up for his mistakes and strives to be a better person. He doesn’t recuse himself by saying he was doing what he thought was right and assume that solves everything. We acknowledge his flaws because they make him a better, more well-rounded character. We don’t try to pretend he’s a perfect person who can do no wrong while criticising other characters for acting like real people. I understand this was probably a waste of time because you’ve decided that Tony Stark is overrated and his fans are rabid hypocrites but if you get to waste my time trying to start an argument I get to waste yours by writing an essay.

The fun thing about antis is that many of the things they point out that they don’t like about Tony can also be applied to their favorite character, but it’s only bad when it relates to Tony. It’s like they’re playing a mental version of the floor is lava where the lava is accepting their fave has flaws.

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mr delmar from delmar’s sandwich place in queens figures out that peter is spiderman bc the masked vigilante himself bounds in one day, orders a sandwich, and then asks him to “squish it down real flat” and who the hell else says that aside from peter goddamn parker

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tony stark really out there putting the TS in PTSD huh

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Stephen: *walks into the living room to find Tony sleeping on the couch with their five month old on his chest*

Stephen: *melts and reaches to take the baby*

Tony, eyes still closed: don’t you dare, Strange

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Peter, after Tony and Stephen snickering in the corner: Uh dads? What’s going on?

Tony, trying not to laugh: Hey kids what kind of fish is only made of two sodium atoms

Harley:

Peter:

Stephen, giggling madly: A 2Na!!!

*both burst out laughing*

Peter:

Harley:

Harley: Christ on a stick

Peter: God is dead and this is what killed him

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Peter: since your internal voice doesn’t need to breath you can scream internally forever

Tony:

Tony:

Tony:

Stephen: Tony your face is starting to turn blue

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With SM:FFH coming out, and Quentin Beck being introduced, a lot of Tony antis has been claiming that Tony treats his employees like shit. They couldn’t be more wrong.

Let’s talk about Happy Hogan.

In SM:HC Happy has implied that he was once in a crappy situation, and Tony took him in, hired him, and gave him a better life. 

Happy used to be Tony’s bodyguard, but after he became Iron Man, he had no use for a bodyguard anymore. He could have easily fried Happy, or made him just a driver, a job that surely pays less, but nope. What did Tony do? He gave him a promotion. 

Let’s talk about Pepper Potts.

It’s been clear since Iron Man 1, that Tony has been in love with her. But he hasn’t done anything, because she’s his employee, and he knows it’s inappropriate. In that same movie, Pepper was making a move on Tony, and Tony could have kissed her, and gotten away with it. Why wouldn’t he, if he’s such a womanizing jackass? But it didn’t happen. Why? Because it was inappropriate. 

Now, I wouldn’t claim anyone should applaud him for being a decent human being, but the fact is, Tony did more than just the minimum. 

He made her CEO, a job he gave her because he said she deserved it. Granted he did it only because he needed a replacement for him after he died, but guess what? He’s cured! And guess what else? He didn’t fire Pepper. 

Tony has been treating his employees as human beings. He doesn’t claim he does all the work but acknowledges what others do for him. The Iron Man movies could have easily made Tony the douchebag billionaire that fires someone as soon as they do something wrong, and they would have gotten away with it. But it didn’t happen, because that isn’t Tony. 

He only fired Beck because he wanted to weaponize the tech he made for Tony. Something Tony publicly said he wouldn’t do. Something Tony antis like to say Tony used to do, that was bad (implying that him stopping is good). I hope everyone remembers that.