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Is there a safe space left for us League Viktor enjoyers? Everywhere on the internet it's "Arcane", "Arcane", "Arcane"... and many fans seem pretty toxic

Safe space is here in my spaces, I only don't ship jayvik and I have specific pointers to what's bad in 2016. lore. But when it comes to aesthetic, character point, etc... I will always stay true to og League Viktor, and never switch to Arcane Viktor.

I have a discord server for my Viktor comic, if anyone wants to join send me a message at Discord @ikleyvey . The comic will stay in old lore and while Viktor had like less than 10 minutes of screentime in Arcane as "machine herald", my comic will fully focus on his character and psychology for its entire duration.

I see at Viktor Mains discord server a lot of people share our sentiment too. @viktor-leagueoflegends also collects League Viktor fanart that includes jayvik if I'm not mistaken, there are fics written by old fans such as Hexmage . There are still many people creating old lore content, and I will soon create a big list!

Don't despair, go tell Riot about your opinion, wait for me to create a custom skin mod for his old model, VO and animations in-game, don't spend money on Riot anymore, and know there's a lot of us in the same soup as you!

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Is this what you wanted, Arcane fans? Cause that's what you got.

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Viktor, I am so sorry for what they did to you in Arcane. It's bad, really bad... They couldn't think of anything more cliche. Totally disappointed.

:c

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doodle of Viktor cuz im really hating what riot's doing to his character rn :/

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Thank you for being a bastion for us non-Arcane Viktor canon enjoyers. I swear with everything that comes out that ups the lack of agency Viktor has in his own transhumanism and his clarity of purpose with the Glorious Evolution I lose a year of my life, so thank you for making me feel like I’m going less crazy in the echo chamber frfr

Heey I think I might know who YOU are! ^^

Thank you for supporting me. It's one thing to exist in a fandom, and another one when a quality story gets shoved into the bin and you're told to pack your stuff and leave. I see I'm far from the only one who appreciates the old story, and having a group of people who are all happy discussing it is a very motivating thing!

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For Arcane Viktor as his own isolated character, I'd say it's alright (although not very satisfying) for him to gradually lose more and more agency and end in a tragedy.

That's just completely contradictory with Viktor the Machine Herald's point of character and fantasy! And every time someone says "umm they're identical", I get a little more insane!

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two sides of the same gear

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I am starting to get really disappointed in Viktor’s direction. I wouldn’t mind him too much if arcane wasn’t becoming canon, but it is.

Changing Viktor’s character so fundamentally and practically taking away his choice in his path is so annoying. They took away all the science from his character. And the fact that he is basically being controlled by the hexcore makes his to come machine herald arc feel so meaningless. In league he still had so much personality. And his machine herald plot was completely under his control and his choice. It made his character a lot more interesting because it was HIM. It wasn’t the hexcore, or the hexcore manipulation. It was him.

As much as I wouldn’t have minded Viktor’s character direction in arcane if it wasn’t going to be the knew canon. But it is. This is Viktor now, but it’s not. Viktor’s character is now the hexcore. Arcane was an adaptation, not a retcon. So why is Viktor’s character so fundamentally changed. Why is his machine herald arc, HIS ENTIRE THING IN LEAGUE not even his own choice, it’s the hexcores.

Act 2 is coming out tonight and I will be staying up to watch it. I know I will love Viktor no matter what. But I am really really hoping they can fix this

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just as I suspected arcane viktor has no man-made body augments which made me pretty sad, any thoughts on it and where the writers are taking his magic-Jesus arc???😔😔😔

Well, purely from Arcane's standpoint (if we pretend there was no lore beforehand, and all characters are original creations for the show), it's a pretty straightforward tragedy where a scientist lost all self-autonomy and fell to being at the mercy of the whims of arcane magic and other people's choices over his body.

The pseudo-religious imagery is misleading, both on the surface and intentionally because the narrative (writers) want to convey to the audience that this is the case of a false utopia. I wasn't moved because the character himself is also misled and doesn't realize what his actions actually do to people. Because of this, he doesn't quite fall into the Templar trope. His conviction is not clever, nor is it his.

The writers are taking his character in a direction where they hope the melodrama of him "becoming a villain" will make people teary-eyed, and say "Well he did have some points, he wanted to help everyone, but so many bad things happened to him!"

It's true that when you hear "person X wanted to help the world", it's a positive thought. But actually implementing this into a story can be done in an infinite number of ways, and many of them can be bad, naive or miss the point. The identical thing can be said for Jayce, and Silco, and a bunch of other characters. This means that saying this sentence is not the defense argument of the story some people might think it is.

To end this section, I'll just also say that the pseudo-religious "Jesus" imagery is also false, because it's only visually reminding people of that but they're fundamentally two completely different things. So it's misleading in a bad way to top it off. It's a meme. A meme and visuals selling a mediocre storyline.

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As for how it affects the original Viktor's character: atrocious. We lost our mad scientist. He got reduced to a chant of "remove free will because that will save you". His entire archetype is being ripped out, and watch a horde of viewers and rioters ask, "But he has metal, and a cult, and magic, how dare you not think he's the same?"

I guess our only hope now is custom skins to preserve old model, voice lines and animations. I will try to make it but considering I've never done that before, it would be best if I wasn't the only one making a custom mod. Killer Skins makes these mods I think. Or is it RuneForge now.

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In light of Season 2 Act 2 of Arcane releasing and me (clueless idiot) watching it, I would like to say...

You are the last bastion of sanity in this world. I can only say I EXTREMELY APPRECIATE the art and work you put into keeping the REAL Viktor alive.

That is all, ty

Thank you for following my work!

Just like there were many people who loved Act 2, there are also many who didn't, but they're mostly talking about that in private. Some of my friends just don't want to be targeted by Arcane fans, which is valid but due to the type of art I produce, I am naturally going to stand in opposition to the new... canon or "vague canon" or whatever it is now.

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How do they keep making later and later stages of late-capitalism

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@precognitor exposed me to this like a SCP now ya’ll gotta see it

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Additional alleged leaks big Spoilers

4chan is pretty sure this guy is accurate. Idk

Reposting my Viktor rant from reddit. There are spoilers, and this is long. Bare with me please hahah.

Viktors arc throughout Season 1, is about a scientist willing to break rules, coming to terms with his impotence and lack of legacy and choosing not to pursue unethical and dangerous practices to forestall his death.

Sky's death shows that his experimentation doesn't just have the capacity to hurt himself, but others as well. The flashback with Rio in Season 1 is important, it shows that on some level, Viktor does have anxieties about change, he knows there are worse things than death. Combined with Sky's death, Viktor finds himself unable to pursue love, legacy or progress. He turns from the path established by Singed, and forges a new path, where he dies, on his own terms.

The conclusion of Viktors Season 1 arc is him accepting death, and rejecting the idea of transforming into a man like Singed. He will not be the avatar of his own spiritual and moral self destruction. He will not submit to the hexcore. Viktor accepts his lack of legacy. (Depending on interpretation he may see the freeing of Zaun as part of his own, Un-credited, but not unimportant legacy.)

His season 1 arc is accepting his own impotency in the face of death. He chooses to be a moral person, and die rather than become a monster. This is explicitly communicated when he asks Jayce to destroy the Hexcore.

In season 2, Viktor has his carcass thrown around by Jayce, and then he has the hexcore thrown at him.

Completely emotionless he subsequently ditches Jayce, with barely a harsh word, and scampers off to the Under City to start a hippy commune. By all appearances it seems like the hexcore is controlling his behavior or manipulating him heavily.

My question is, where is the anger? Where it the impotent rage Viktor shows both in Season 1 and old League of Legends?

Jayce in Arcane is a Singed parallel. Viktor is the Rio Parallel. What is the point of Viktor being alive if he has no free will. He is naught but an empty vessel for the bloody hex-core. This is the thing Viktor was afraid of in Season 1. He has become Rio. The creature in the jar. He has no choice over his destiny, not did he choose to become the hollowed out shell of who he once was.

It would be frankly awful writing, if in acts 2 and 3, Viktors arc is concluded with him essentially, accepting the changes forced upon him unwillingly. As his puppet-ed corpse becomes some kind of mid season villain, to be violently pelted with a hammer, before he shuffles off screen in the epilogue.

Worse is the idea that a disabled character is 'fixed' by someone, and in doing so essentially stripped of all agency. The fundamental concept of this redesign is messed up.

This new version of Viktor cannot just be a Void Herald.

His arc will be that of a disabled character, becoming little more than a prop, in other characters journey of self discovery and self actualization. His dying request ignored, as he is unwillingly forged into a prop villain, that serves no purpose but filling time, and acting as a poorly conceived parallel to a dying animal.

The point of this analysis is simply to say, that if in Act 2, a major course correction doesn't occur, Viktor as a character may actually end up being one of the most poorly written characters I personally have ever laid eyes on.

For all the doomers out there, Viktor needs to have a point in Act 2 where he is able to regain control. He needs to reject, remove, or gain control of the Hexcore in some way. To assume otherwise is to accept that this version of Viktor is written by idiots who didn't think through the implications of their own story.

There needs to be some level of agency shown in Viktors reconstruction. If not I don't see the point of this character existing. He is just a prop. His VGU may as well transform him into a particularly villainous broomstick.

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So, guys. This stuff leaked on one discord server on 8:12pm AEDT Thursday night, then similar information was posted around 1:00ish PM AEDT Friday onto 4chan.

This person predicted the entirety of ep 6 almost a day and a half early. They also predicted the end of the show.

I am trying to confirm if this is accurate. There were rumours on one of the private Arcane servers that the leak was somehow connected to a private extra exclusive invite only event open to people with AMEX Centurion card holders, willing to pay a ton.

Whether this person has seen act 3 or simply act 2 is still in question. However, the leak is below.

Spoilers beware. View at your own risk.

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Assan really Is the best thing about DAV.

(Manfred is 2nd best)

I can be trusted with photo mode

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Something about Caitlyn telling Jayce “hextech may keep us alive, but it’s not what will save us” and how that relates to Viktor.

Like Jayce’s immediate reaction to hearing that is just deflating and looking at the ground and I can’t help but think he looks guilty???? He has just directly defied Viktor’s wishes, using hextech to keep him alive and Jayce knows it. In keeping Viktor alive, Jayce may have doomed them all. Viktor watched the hexcore kill Sky. He knew the potential for harm it had, and he tried to warn Jayce. And Jayce didn’t listen.

When Viktor finally wakes up, Jayce is too relieved at first to realize something about Viktor is different (aside from his new look ofc) Where as before, Viktor’s eyes were full of adoration when he looked at Jayce, now he looks conflicted. When Jayce, a man he loves dearly, hugs him, Viktor doesn’t seem to know how to react. He almost looks like he pities Jayce.

That line Viktor said, “I sense a charge. A potential. A recursive impulse.” He should feel cold, but he doesn’t have the capacity to anymore. His body is trying to replicate what it knows it should feel, but it’s doing so with all new material. It gives Viktor an echo of what he should be experiencing. And it seems that doesn’t only apply to his physical form. His very being has been altered by the hexcore.

So when he hugs Jayce back, it’s the same thing. It’s an echo of who Viktor was before he was changed. Muscle memory. It’s what Viktor is supposed to do in the situation, because the Viktor before loved Jayce. And just like the cold, he’s feeling a replication of the affection he felt. His reasoning is intact, he knows he should be feeling affection, but the way he feels emotions has fundamentally shifted.

Viktor should have died. He should have died of his terminal illness, but he survived using the hexcore. After Sky though, Viktor realized his mistake and he knew nothing good would come of the hexcore. Viktor should have died again in the explosion. He knew he was going to die anyway, and he had accepted it at that point. Only Jayce hadn’t. Maybe, if he had, Viktor would have been able to die as himself and be at peace. But that didn’t happen. Jayce, in keeping Viktor alive, has given him a fate worse than death. The hexcore has taken away who Viktor was, and left his body behind. The Viktor that Jayce knew is gone, and what has survived is either a shell of him, or something else entirely.

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I swear to god, if Corpse Puppet Viktor is endgame, I will be committing violence.

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Regarding Arcane act 1 season 2:

Is it bothering anyone else that Viktor has shown no agency?

At this point, they need a pretty major course correction in Act 2, or Viktor isn't going to have a real arc.

Viktor needs to make an actual choice in his storyline.

I swear, writers love to 'fix' disabled characters and turn them into plot objects that only exist as props in other characters path to actualisation.

Give my boy a proper fucking arc, I swear to god riot, If we lose the Machine Herald for this shit I am burning down your home.

He needs to stop being a hexcore puppet. Please