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Solavellan this, Rookanis that. Can we please talk about how funny it is that Dorian is an absolute husband guy for a romanced Inquisitor. [Dorian voice] I miss my husband, Rook. I miss him a lot. I'll be back.
#dragon age the veilguard#dorian pavus#spoilers#sobbing remembering that this is what dorian always hoped for so deeply. a sincere serious and loving relationship. gah. oguh.
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Asexuality and Kaidan Alenko
Or, how a bisexual romance option is the only asexual friendly one. With a bit of work.
For a while, there was not a single Mass Effect romance I enjoyed. I found all of the ones I've played through fairly shallow, and as a result, I played as a single Shepard more often than not. Part of this is due to my being aroace - or for the purposes of this post, asexual.
I so badly wanted a romance with ample build up. With an emotional bond before getting together. But due to the nature of the series, most romances are sudden, and are directly tied with sex. Each romance culminates in a sex (or implied sex) scene, where they will leave if you turn it down. This is no fault of the characters, but of the writers for assuming turning down sex was equal to turning down the character entirely.
Even romances without sex scenes aren't exempt from their direct ties with sex. For example, the fan favorite romance with Garrus starts off with Shepard asking for sex out of no where. When it comes to Mass Effect, even if it is not shown, it is implied.
So, where does Kaidan fit into this?
The reason why I didn't even consider Kaidan at first was the knowledge that he (and the other ME1 love interests) were subject to a disease called the late 2000s. Romances are easy to lock into and all culminate in a sex scene. ME2 also default assumes you didn't turn them down for sex and will still act like you banged. Which. Epic game design there!
Even for a Male Shepard romancing Kaidan in ME3, it skips to a sex scene (though this I didn't mind since the build up with the trilogy long Kaidan slow burn was so fulfilling, but that's besides the point).
And then I found out that if you play as a Female Shepard, you can turn Kaidan down for sex in ME3, and he will be the only (and I mean only) romance option who doesn't leave, and instead chooses to cuddle with Shepard. Which. First of all, game changer.
Second of all, and most importantly, this meant that if I wanted to play as an asexual Shepard, all I had to do was play as a Female Shepard, abort Kaidan's romance path early on in ME1 by keeping up formalities, and then romance him in ME3, where you can turn him down for sex two times and he is totally okay with it. And he stays. Both times.
I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this, but having the option to do such a thing in a game series spanning from 2007-2012 meant a lot to me as an asexual.
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adding onto how i adore the slow burn route for shenko, i've been doing (yet another) slow burn run, but with fem shep, and i wanted to highlight my favorite non-romanced dialogue post horizon regarding kaidan.
talking to the illusive man is fun because his commentary on the whole fiasco basically boils down to "you're not gonna be hung up on this guy and ruin the mission now are you"
and shep has the option to tell him to back the HELL off. which. touchy subject, much?
additionally, talking to kelly chambers after is a treat, especially as a non-romanced female shep, because she will question if shep has "strong feelings" for kaidan, to which if you answer with the "yes" option, shep will not directly answer with "yes", but her words about kaidan indirectly imply the "yes" anyways. which is super nice, imo.
like, you didn't say no, shep! i see you!
and of course, my favorite. shep can get snippy with joker after the latter mentions how it was nice to see kaidan.
joker's "ok well sheesh" reply to this is also humorous bc i can only imagine the crew of the ship watching as shep (specifically one in this situation, or a shep who romanced kaidan in me1) is just a snippy grumpy dick for a bit after horizon lmfao.
all of this dialogue you can dig up, especially for a shep who didn't romance him in me1, makes for suuuuch a juicy slow burn. highly recommend.
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Shenko (And Its Many Variations)
So, I've been replaying the Mass Effect trilogy. In regards to my "canon run", I've been torn between my Male Shepard and my Female Shepard. Their romances with Kaidan both have their pros and cons, and I can't quite decide which one clicks for me. Literally, I made a personal pros and cons list and I still can't decide.
But, this also means I've been a little unwell in the head test trying different scenarios with both Shepards. This post is meant to document my findings and hopefully help out anyone who might want to romance Kaidan, but doesn't know how they want to go about it.
Disclaimer: This post will talk about the vanilla, un-modded Mass Effect trilogy. I play on console, so I tragically do not have the luxury of the Nexus! This is for anyone who plays vanilla or plays on console like me! If you're on PC, and if none of the options below suit you, there is probably a mod that can help you out!
To begin, Shenko is very flexible. There are several variations, and it can easily be sculpted to the preferences of the player. First of all, Kaidan is bisexual, and can be romanced by both Male Shepard and Female Shepard. So, you got those options. You want a slowburn? Yeah, you can avoid romancing anyone until you run into Kaidan again in Mass Effect 3. You want the angsty forbidden love, "we never officially broke up, but we're not really together right now, it's COMPLICATED" dynamic, then yeah! You can get that too! With this in mind, I will be splitting up this post in terms of their different, possible dynamics, and the restrictions that come with each Shepard.
The Slow Burn Dynamic
Kaidan is one of three original companions whose romance can be initiated in Mass Effect 3. If Kaidan has not been romanced in Mass Effect 1, then Shenko becomes more of an angsty slow burn. There are unspoken feelings, lost time... waiting to romance Kaidan in the last game of the series is just as tragic as the other Shenko variations. The only difference is that their feelings were never expressed until the world was ending.
The Slow Burn Dynamic - Male Shepard
In the vanilla game, this is the default dynamic for Male Shepard and Kaidan. He can only be romanced in Mass Effect 3. However, it does not hurt the ship any. With a slow burn in mind, Male Shepard is allowed to talk freely with Kaidan in Mass Effect 1 without accidentally triggering his romance, and without being forced to be rude or turn him down. While it's messed up Kaidan wasn't a romance option for Male Shepard in the first game, we can still take the good from the bad - especially in the context of a slow burn.
Male Shepard's dialogue with Kaidan is a bit more dry in Mass Effect 1. However, a Female Shepard going for a slow burn will also wind up on the same dialogue path as a Male Shepard.
A Shepard on the slow burn path will notice that a lot of Kaidan's dialogue and scenes still seem somewhat... charged. If you haven't romanced anyone, Kaidan will be the companion who interacts with Shepard in Mass Effect 2's prologue, he will still be used to get to Shepard by the Collectors, he will still say losing Shepard felt like losing a limb... there's a lot of goodies to be discovered.
To initiate a slow burn romance with Kaidan as a Male Shepard, you must:
Save Kaidan on Virmire (duh).
Ensure you haven't triggered the romance for any other character by the point of Mass Effect 3. This will lock you out of Kaidan's romance otherwise. I'd recommend not romancing anyone else in the previous two games for the feel of it all, but that is ultimately up to you and your Shepard.
Buy Kaidan the bottle of whiskey while he's in the hospital, exhaust all dialogue with him, and visit whenever you get an email from him.
Avoid killing him during the confrontation and invite him back on the Normandy. Talk to him after every mission.
Meet up with him on the Citadel and return his feelings.
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PROS
There is zero effort required to initiate the slow burn. This is the default state. You will not have to be rude or turn him down in Mass Effect 1.
Kaidan's confession at Apollo's is much more sweet with Male Shepard than it is with Female Shepard due to him being more shy and roundabout in addressing the slow burn. After all this time, indeed...
CONS
Ashley is the character who approaches the beacon on Eden Prime, meaning Male Shepard will not have the opportunity to push Kaidan out of the way and talk to him after the mission.
Kaidan does not hold or kiss Male Shepard's hand while at Apollo's.
Said scene with Kaidan is also cut short in comparison to the one with Female Shepard. A lot of dialogue is cut and it immediately jumps to their sex scene, rather than allowing for Male Shepard to request that they merely cuddle (which Female Shepard CAN do).
The Slow Burn Dynamic - Female Shepard
This is where things get a little tricky. While mostly similar to Male Shepard's, if you're playing as a Female Shepard and want her romance with Kaidan to be a slow burn, you'll have to follow a few specific steps when it comes to Mass Effect 1.
It is notoriously easy to prematurely romance Kaidan as a Female Shepard. Thankfully, there is one specific line of dialogue where you can abort the romance early on.
To initiate a slow burn romance with Kaidan as a Female Shepard, you must:
[True Slow Burn] When talking to Kaidan after the first hearing, you unfortunately must shut him down. This is the only way to avoid Kaidan letting on about his feelings for Female Shepard (aside from outright ignoring him!). When he apologizes for getting informal, choose the bottom-right option: Just be ready.
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[OPTIONAL: Turned Down, Followed By a Slow Burn] You can be nice to Kaidan after the first meeting, but this will also mean Kaidan will outwardly ask Female Shepard if he's getting mixed signals or not. You can abort a romance with him by gently turning him down.
Save Kaidan on Virmire (duh).
Ensure you haven't triggered the romance for any other character by the point of Mass Effect 3. This will lock you out of Kaidan's romance otherwise. I'd recommend not romancing anyone else in the previous two games for the feel of it all, but that is ultimately up to you and your Shepard.
Buy Kaidan the bottle of whiskey while he's in the hospital, exhaust all dialogue with him, and visit whenever you get an email from him.
Avoid killing him during the confrontation and invite him back on the Normandy. Talk to him after every mission.
Meet up with him on the Citadel and return his feelings.
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PROS
Kaidan is the character who approaches the beacon on Eden Prime, meaning Female Shepard WILL have the opportunity to push Kaidan out of the way and talk to him after the mission. You can talk to him freely in this conversation, just not the one after the first hearing.
Kaidan will hold and kiss Female Shepard's hand while at Apollo's.
The scene before they attack Cerberus' base with Kaidan is not altered in anyway. There is additional dialogue, and Female Shepard can ask that they merely cuddle instead of have sex. Kaidan is the only love interest in the whole game who will not leave when Shepard asks for this.
[ASEXUAL SHEPARD] Kaidan's slow burn route for a Female Shepard is the only one where you can avoid sex without any consequences (like a character breaking up, leaving the room, or incorrectly claiming they did sleep together). In both the Citadel DLC and in the scene mentioned above, Female Shepard can choose to cuddle with Kaidan and he will be totally fine and happy with this.
CONS
You have to be careful talking to him in Mass Effect 1 if you want a slow burn. Either you'll be forced to be somewhat rude to him (and miss out on a good chunk of his first conversation mentioning Rahna), or you'll have to outright reject him. This does, however, work out well with a Shepard who starts off very formal and cold but defrosts over the course of the plot.
Kaidan's confession at Apollo's is a little bit more generic and blunt than his confession to a Male Shepard.
The Angsty Forbidden Love, "We Never Officially Broke Up, But We're Not Really Together Right Now, It's COMPLICATED" Dynamic
In contrast to a slow burn, one can choose to romance Kaidan in Mass Effect 1. This section will be shorter, since it is unfortunately impossible to romance Kaidan as a Male Shepard in the first game. Without mods, anyways, but that's not what this post is about. There will also be a lack of a pros and cons section, since there is no Male Shepard version of the romance to compare it to. And I won't be comparing this dynamic to the slow burn dynamic because there are no objective pros or cons. Just preferences!
Actually, the only objective pro is that Kaidan's dialogue with a Female Shepard who has not turned his advances down is a lot better and more full of character.
This version of Shenko has very high ups and very low downs! And, of course, many different outcomes. It's the forbidden love in Mass Effect 1. The drama of the Horizon encounter in Mass Effect 2. Kaidan's letter to Shepard. Their reunion in Mass Effect 3. "Don't 'Kaidan' me!"
To initiate an Angsty Forbidden Love, "We Never Officially Broke Up, But We're Not Really Together Right Now, It's COMPLICATED," romance with Kaidan as a Female Shepard, you must:
Talk to Kaidan after every mission in Mass Effect and take all of the kind and flirty dialogue options. Whenever Kaidan asks if he's overstepping, tell him he isn't.
Avoid romancing Liara; you must turn down her advances.
Save Kaidan on Virmire (duh).
Accept Kaidan's company before arriving to Ilos.
You can romance someone else in Mass Effect 2, but I would recommend against it as Kaidan's dialogue is sweeter in Mass Effect 3 if you don't. Again, preferences though! You might like that drama!
Ensure you haven't locked in the romance for any other character by the point of Mass Effect 3.
Buy Kaidan the bottle of whiskey while he's in the hospital, exhaust all dialogue with him, and visit whenever you get an email from him.
Avoid killing him during the confrontation and invite him back on the Normandy. Talk to him after every mission.
Meet up with him on the Citadel and renew your feelings.
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There are also other options, of course. Like not getting back together with him. Not getting with him at all. Letting him die on Virmire. Shooting him during the confrontation. But, these are more self explanatory!
I hope this wall of text was helpful, or at least enjoyable to read! I might have missed something, so if there's any other fun facts you want to share, please feel free to add them! Or ask me any questions! Have fun hunting for that Canadian booty!
#mass effect#mass effect 2#mass effect 3#kaidan alenko#shenko#mshenko#fshenko#femshenko#commander shepard
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this is literally just femshenko
#mass effect#shenko#kaidan alenko#i just finished an mshenko run and now im going with the femshenko run bc reasons and this is all i could think of
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i have no horse in this race anymore, but real talk, if they make pharmercy canon that will be the most blatant “we completely ditched all of our original plans to save face and placate the shippers for internet points” pile of schlock i’ve ever seen
#personal#overwatch#gency#im not even in this fandom anymore but i'd be so unfathomably pissed#there's nothing more pathetic than writers changing their story to appease fandom#truly the cardinal sin of writing
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Poem Bangkok ‘Lunar New Year’ 2022 Collection
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"Immature people crave and demand moral certainty: This is bad, this is good. Kids and adolescents struggle to find a sure moral foothold in this bewildering world; they long to feel they’re on the winning side, or at least a member of the team. To them, heroic fantasy may offer a vision of moral clarity. Unfortunately, the pretended Battle Between (unquestioned) Good and (unexamined) Evil obscures instead of clarifying, serving as a mere excuse for violence — as brainless, useless, and base as aggressive war in the real world."
Ursula K Le Guin at it again, being right as always
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i am a private person who doesn’t like talking about their life but who also compulsively overshares at any given opportunity. hope that helps
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whatever souls are made of, yours and mine are the same (insult)
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Metztli was the goddess (or possibly god) of the moon, the night and farmers in Aztec mythology. They were likely the same deity as Yohaulticetl or Coyolxauhqui (both moon goddesses) and Tecciztecatl (moon god); like the latter, who feared the sun because of it’s fire. The moon and sun were at one time equally bright. Fearing the earth would burn under the light of two luminaries, one of the deities threw a rabbit in the face of the other, and the one struck darkened to become today’s moon. Henceforth it is possible to distinguish a figure of a rabbit on the moon’s surface. During a full moon, the ‘Rabbit in the Moon’ becomes readily visible. (Elie Saab Spring 2017 Haute Couture Collection)
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they hate to see a bisexual traumatized eldest daughter thriving
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get okay with being some level of burden on others, seriously
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“ur so chill” thanks i am completely disconnected from reality right now
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Idk what mad scientist needs to hear this today but your googles and lab coat are incredibly flattering and all your expirments will blow away the scientific community who called you a fool
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being the eldest daughter is just *asks mother what’s wrong* *cannot express emotions* *”don’t worry i’ll do it”* *fiercely independent but only bc you would rather die than inconvenience someone by asking for help* *carries the trauma of your entire family* *asks mother what’s wrong* *the constant feeling of guilt that has no known origin* *third parent. maybe even replacement father if urs is shitty enough* *emotional punching bag for both parents* *not even a slight clue as to what a healthy boundary is* *asks mother what’s wrong*
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