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Just thinking about Will, in this exact moment, hearing and feeling Hannibal's heart pounding and finally knowing the answer to his question, "Is he in love with me?"—that raw certainty hitting him firsthand. Like damn.

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Can everyone be norma about this.

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Someone on Twitter asked for a kiss between them so lollll

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@k-leebyunghun I hope you don't mind me responding to your tags, but I just feel SO chatty about this show so honestly any opportunity.

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I know 'fascination' is often used to denote a more detached/calculating interest, but in this context I was just meaning it in its very literal sense of REALLY interested.

That being said, in my mind In-ho has - by necessity - a high level of detachment in his role as the Frontman. Like, that man is traumatised, and broken, and grieving, and there's just no way he could fulfil his role if he let any of that anywhere near the surface most of the time.

So I think when his interest is piqued by Gi-hun (following his attempt to stop the game with Sang-woo, up until he ultimately rejoins), he no longer has a framework for hope? Like, he literally can't invest that kind of emotion into another human being.* What he can admit is that this man is interesting, fascinating in the way that he has had such similar experiences to In-ho and still arrived at the wrong conclusions, and if he wants to poke at that, try and see if he can win him over, then that's justifiable, right? That's in the interest of the games and he's in no way testing his own ingrained belief system at the same time.

What he can't admit to himself (and where he really differs from Hannibal imo) is that he doesn't really mind whether or not he corrupts Gi-hun, or Gi-hun corrupts him. Murder and cannibalism is an integral part of who Hannibal is, and for him connection with Will is achieved through guiding Will to accept that part of himself. There's no world in which Will convinces Hannibal that Killing Is Bad. For In-ho, his cynicism is learned, it's a defence mechanism, and while bringing Gi-hun round to his way of thinking is his objective, it's not who he is, and therefore he's subconsciously open to Gi-hun's world view. It's more about connecting with the object of his interest and understanding him. And that's the hope. Which I wholeheartedly agree about.

*Jun-ho is the exception that proves the rule, though he's a little outside the scope of this post

Seen a few 'maturity is realising that it's not a look of love' videos on Instagram re: 457, and while I do realise it is Not That Deep, I nonetheless have THOUGHTS

The crux of those thoughts is this: has fandom's view of shipping narrowed so far that unless two characters are mashing their faces together on-screen, it's immature to interpret the text contrary to what we assume the creator's intention was?

With this ship specifically, let's start with the obvious: the actors have insane chemistry. This is true whether you see the characters' bond as platonic, romantic, antagonistic, or something else. They are very obviously comfortable and friendly with one another in real life, and this translates into an intense on-screen relationship between Gi-hun and In-ho (and I'm sure this is exactly what the director did want, because, newsflash, this is our protagonist/antagonist duo).

I do think it's valid to ship something based purely off the actors' chemistry, but the comment is obviously referring to the characters themselves in the context of the story, so let's address that too.

There's a clear motivation for the way In-ho stares at Gi-hun, follows him around, and generally tries to insert himself into his life, and this is what these posts are referring to. He's testing his ideology, he's watching how he's affected by the horrific things that are happening around him, and to help him do this, he's ensuring that Gi-hun trusts and likes him. It's important if he wants to prove to him that the world is unchangeable, and humanity irredeemable.

And because of that, it's not the 'look of love'. Case closed?

Well, no.

Because there is so much nuance and depth that you're failing to explore, if a look can only mean one thing.

Because why does In-ho bother? Why is Gi-hun worth his time and interest? In-ho - via the games - has access to resources that far far outweigh the money Gi-hun won. He could prevent him from finding the island forever. He could just have him shot tbh. He's not really a credible threat - at most, he's a minor annoyance, because people need to be paid off every so often to prevent him getting too close.

Just through this detail, we can deduce that In-ho cares, in some way. He is interested enough to want to change Gi-hun's mind, when it would be so much easier to... not. Is it love? It's certainly fascination. And I don't think it can be argued that he brought him back for the VIPs' entertainment and not his own, because Gi-hun was searching for three years before In-ho let himself be found. And even when he's found, it's Gi-hun who suggests going back into the games.

So these stares - yes, he's testing him, but he's doing it because he wants to. They denote genuine interest. How did this guy retain his hope and faith in humanity? How can I prove to him that my view is correct?

And I'm very much not saying that a romantic interpretation is 'correct', because fiction should be interpreted however the audience sees fit, but what is love (in all its forms) if not wanting to know someone and be known by them?

This is even more compelling to me when we take into account In-ho's backstory, which we learn a bit more about in season 2. Because he and Gi-hun are so similar, except in the way they've used their trauma to interpret the world. Which just adds to the evidence that In-ho would be fascinated by this man, be determined to know him and to change his mind.

What I'm saying with all this isn't that 457 is canon, and that anyone who says otherwise is media illiterate. What I'm saying is that the real immature interpretation is one that's surface level, be that interpretation 'uwu he loves him' or 'he's PLOTTING evil things'.

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If LBH didn't want us to ship 457 then he shouldn't have been so much shorter than LJJ. Did he not think of that? I mean it's very hard to not ship something when one guy is forced to stare up into another guy's eyes like a pathetic little submissive ho.

Ahahaha omg you're so right anon!!! If In-ho didn't wanna kiss him then why are his eyes at the perfect height to look at Gi-hun's lips???

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Every June Will & Hannibal send a Pride postcard to Jack covered in blood but in a lame ‘facebook couple’ pose style and it’s always in a different country and by the time he gets there, there’s no trace of them. His fridge is covered in postcards from them and Jack tells his therapist he’s losing his mind because he’s happy to see Will finally smile even if he’s committing murders with a cannibal

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Seen a few 'maturity is realising that it's not a look of love' videos on Instagram re: 457, and while I do realise it is Not That Deep, I nonetheless have THOUGHTS

The crux of those thoughts is this: has fandom's view of shipping narrowed so far that unless two characters are mashing their faces together on-screen, it's immature to interpret the text contrary to what we assume the creator's intention was?

With this ship specifically, let's start with the obvious: the actors have insane chemistry. This is true whether you see the characters' bond as platonic, romantic, antagonistic, or something else. They are very obviously comfortable and friendly with one another in real life, and this translates into an intense on-screen relationship between Gi-hun and In-ho (and I'm sure this is exactly what the director did want, because, newsflash, this is our protagonist/antagonist duo).

I do think it's valid to ship something based purely off the actors' chemistry, but the comment is obviously referring to the characters themselves in the context of the story, so let's address that too.

There's a clear motivation for the way In-ho stares at Gi-hun, follows him around, and generally tries to insert himself into his life, and this is what these posts are referring to. He's testing his ideology, he's watching how he's affected by the horrific things that are happening around him, and to help him do this, he's ensuring that Gi-hun trusts and likes him. It's important if he wants to prove to him that the world is unchangeable, and humanity irredeemable.

And because of that, it's not the 'look of love'. Case closed?

Well, no.

Because there is so much nuance and depth that you're failing to explore, if a look can only mean one thing.

Because why does In-ho bother? Why is Gi-hun worth his time and interest? In-ho - via the games - has access to resources that far far outweigh the money Gi-hun won. He could prevent him from finding the island forever. He could just have him shot tbh. He's not really a credible threat - at most, he's a minor annoyance, because people need to be paid off every so often to prevent him getting too close.

Just through this detail, we can deduce that In-ho cares, in some way. He is interested enough to want to change Gi-hun's mind, when it would be so much easier to... not. Is it love? It's certainly fascination. And I don't think it can be argued that he brought him back for the VIPs' entertainment and not his own, because Gi-hun was searching for three years before In-ho let himself be found. And even when he's found, it's Gi-hun who suggests going back into the games.

So these stares - yes, he's testing him, but he's doing it because he wants to. They denote genuine interest. How did this guy retain his hope and faith in humanity? How can I prove to him that my view is correct?

And I'm very much not saying that a romantic interpretation is 'correct', because fiction should be interpreted however the audience sees fit, but what is love (in all its forms) if not wanting to know someone and be known by them?

This is even more compelling to me when we take into account In-ho's backstory, which we learn a bit more about in season 2. Because he and Gi-hun are so similar, except in the way they've used their trauma to interpret the world. Which just adds to the evidence that In-ho would be fascinated by this man, be determined to know him and to change his mind.

What I'm saying with all this isn't that 457 is canon, and that anyone who says otherwise is media illiterate. What I'm saying is that the real immature interpretation is one that's surface level, be that interpretation 'uwu he loves him' or 'he's PLOTTING evil things'.

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Boobs

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Do you like found family? Queer romance? Enemies to lovers and an epic space opera setting with fantasy elements?

well I didn't write that. You are fucked out of luck.

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alright which one of y’all runs the official netflix account???? 🤔 show yourself

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ok who can save me

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to be honest there has never been a fictional character i’ve actually wanted to date. like. i want them to date each other. i don’t want myself as a person to be involved in this scenario whatsoever. what would i add to this narratively? what’s my thematic purpose in the narrative? immersion breaking. 

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live reaction of me googling “lee byunghun” images for the first time