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Kikan S AidaIro Interview (Part 1)

This is Part 1 of an interview with AidaIro published in the January 2025 issue of Kikan S, translated for all of you to enjoy! Keep your eyes peeled for Part 2 (coming soon).

AidaIro: Mangaka. With Iro as the writer and Aida as the illustrator, the two create as a team. Their works include Furyō to Megane to Koi to Sensō, published in the September 2012 edition of Monthly G-Fantasy, and Dear My Living Dead, published in the November 2013 edition. Following a miniseries version in 2014, Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun has been serialized in G-Fantasy since 2015. Starting in 2018, they created a spinoff called Hōkago Shōnen Hanako-kun hosted on Pixiv Comic in the online publication “P-Fantasy”. Along with receiving an anime and musical theater adaptation, Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun begins its second season in January 2025.

The appeal of “Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun” lies in its slightly retro setting, where the author blends eastern and western concepts with unpredictability, such as turning infamous Japanese urban legend “Hanako-san of the Toilet” into a boy, as well as another familiar topic to its Japanese audience: “the seven wonders of the school.” Even the items, hairstyles and clothing featured in the work create their own narrative. The supernaturals encountered leave a lasting impression with forms that are more than just terrifying, and Hanako-kun’s boyish qualities that contrast greatly with his dark side create a gap in personality that gets your heart thumping.

We asked AidaIro to tell us more about the captivatingly comical and serious world of Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun, its characters, and the making behind it.

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Interviewer: The theme of this special feature of Quarterly S magazine is “the supernatural.”

In a prior interview, Iro-san talked about how they love Western and Japanese horror, folklore, nursery rhymes, and more, but could you tell us what draws you to them? On the flipside, Aida-san mentioned that they watched something based on “Hanako-san of the Toilet” when they were younger. We’d love it if you could tell us about creative works that have left an impact on you both over the years.

Iro (Writer): Fear is universal, something that all of us are familiar with, right? Even in our day-to-day lives we fear the dark, imagining there’s something lurking inside it. And if you were to combine this fear with a fable, like one about a “monster that lurks in the dark”, it helps to strengthen the power of the imagination. Adding a sense of realism to fiction, leaving the reader wondering if what’s written down could actually be true, is something I really enjoy. Also, I think there’s a part of me that sees horror as a kind of entertainment, like a rollercoaster.

Aida (Illustrator): I watched a TV program called Ponkickies that featured an anime called “Gakkou no Kowai Uwasa: Hanako-san ga Kita!! (Scary School Rumors: Here Comes Hanako-san!!)”. The Hanako-san in that show is an ally, so it left me with the deep impression that Hanako-san is “one of the good guys!”. “Sacchan no Uwasa (The Rumor of Sacchan)” and “Kaijin Tonkaraton (Phantom Tonkaraton)” were episodes that I found particularly scary.

Iro: I found the song “The Girl Who Trod on the Loaf” from NHK’s “Kodomo Ningyou Gekijou” scary. It was only a shadow puppet, but there was this visual of a girl sinking into a puddle of water…

Interviewer: ”The Girl Who Trod on the Loaf” is meant to teach kids a moral lesson, but the story and the events that transpire are pretty severe, so I could see how viewing it at a young age would be pretty traumatic. “Sacchan no Uwasa” and “Kaijin Tonkaraton” are both urban legends. Were there any rumors like that at the schools you two attended?

Aida: When I was in school, there was a horror boom. On school trips, everyone desperately tried to get their hands on paranormal photographs. Of course, the professional photographers never had any spirit photography available…

Iro: The school I went to had no ghost stories whatsoever. I looked around, but sadly I found none…

Interviewer: During the boom, I saw a lot of spirit photography for sale on television programs. And now, I’d like to hear about the kinds of fictional settings and motifs you both enjoy.

Aida: I have an appreciation for the old over the new. For example, back in the 1910s when commercial illustrations began to appear, they had these posters, like of posing actors, that I personally find really cool. Much of the furniture and clothing made back then I still find cute today. I also like how the people of the 1960s imagined the near future—what’s called the “retro future”.

Iro: Whether it be reading or writing, I love settings with fantasy elements. Like what you might find in a children’s book…… Recently I read House of Many Ways (Howl's Moving Castle Series #3). I enjoy the horror and mystery genres as well, but I think I prefer watching them over reading them.

Interviewer: The time periods that intrigue Aida-san are close in time to the fictional settings seen in Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun. Moving on, I want to ask you both more about manga. What was it that got you to create manga together in the first place?

Iro: I started off writing short stories alone. When I was a student I wrote a script for a play, and after gaining the experience of working with multiple people, I wanted to try creating more works as a team. I liked manga, and after meeting Aida-san in college, I fell in love with their art at first sight. I asked them if they would be the manga artist for my stories.

Aida: I read Iro’s work, thought it would be fun to work with them, and readily agreed. But once I agreed I wondered, “How exactly does one draw as a team!?” and began to worry (Laugh). In the end, the manga BAKUMAN。had a great influence on the way Iro-san and I work together. It's a great example of creating manga as a writer-illustrator duo, and it was what helped me first understand what that really looked like.... It told me what I should do and gave me the push I needed when I was just starting out. Besides that, I thought, "I can't be the only one reading Iro-san’s fictional worlds. I want more people to experience their writing!" and that was a great motivator as well.

Interviewer: What a wonderful story. Have there been any changes between the way you two produce the manga today in comparison to when you first started?

Iro: We used to meet up before, but nowadays we mostly work via voice call. Aida-san and I live close enough that we can reach the other's house before a bowl of soup cools, so we go out together often when there are events in the neighborhood and such. When we meet up, our conversations will naturally drift to work-related topics; perhaps that's a sign that we keep close contact.

Interviewer: Thank you so much. Moving on, I’d like to look back and discuss your debut work, Dear My Living Dead (included in Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun, Vol. 0). Lilia’s unchangeable fate and the path that Cult chose were really heartbreaking.

Iro: I like anything related to zombies.

Aida: I designed Lilia to look soft and full of happiness, while Cult was given a simple design that conveys an intense weariness. When drawing the important scenes, I would adjust the lines and angles until the faces looked just right, to the point where a single panel could take me 5 hours to draw. This isn’t limited to just Cult and Lilia, but I was conscientious of how lower eyelids would move when I was drawing.

Interviewer: 5 hours... that's incredible! I find it fascinating that you even paid attention to the way the lower eyelids moved. Furyō to Megane to Koi to Sensō (included in Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun, Vol. 5) is a comedic work that was published before Dear My Living Dead. It contains Akane-kun and Yamabuki-kun, who appear in Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun.

Iro: Akane and Yamabuki were created before JSHK. They were positively received back then, so we decided to have their characters reappear in Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun rather than leave them lying around.

Interviewer: Is that so! This was followed by a three-chapter miniseries (included in Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun, Vol. 0) which then kickstarted the serialization of Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun. Themed around a well-known concept, “the seven wonders of the school”, and mixed with unexpected elements like having a male “Hanako-san of the Toilet”, the manga sucks you in with its retro fictional setting. Tell us how you develop ideas for stories that combine dark themes with humor.

Iro: It was originally a short story I wrote for an assignment that I then turned into a manga. The main characters were Yugi Amane, Hanako-kun in his previous life, and the character who would later become School Mystery Number 4, Shijima Mei. It didn't have any love comedy or ghost story elements, it was just about Amane and Mei's lives as high school students and their interactions. When we added the "seven wonders of the school" element, Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun was born. The retro and ghost story elements were added after; the foundation of the story, its darker parts, were there first.

Aida: When brainstorming ideas, there are times when we’ve done it over meals, but we don’t typically decide on things that way? Usually it starts with either a suggestion from Iro-san or a new character I designed. For example, the school mysteries Number 6 and Tsuchigomori had their character designs completed first. In the seasonal events we host on social media, it starts with an illustration I draw, then I create a world and clothing to go with it, and finally have Iro make a story out of it.

Interviewer: So you have a flexible creation process. I see. “Picture Perfect”, the arc where Yugi Amane and Shijima Mei appear, didn’t start with a rumor but with the characters being unknowingly captured by a supernatural and taken to a world that confuses the ordinary with the extraordinary. It was a very memorable arc.

Iro: I started writing the Picture Perfect arc with a desire to create a story that you could read as a standalone, like something that could be adapted into a movie. In movie adaptations, the story takes place on a large scale and ends with a dramatic finish, so I kept that in mind while I was writing. Within the pilot version Shijima-san was in love with Number 7 (Hanako-kun), but when she came to the long series adaptation of Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun that element disappeared. Since I was writing about school ghost stories, and haunted art rooms are a common theme in those, I wanted to include one here.

Interviewer: It was extremely dramatic, it had me invested. The “Number 6” arc, where Number 6’s (Hakubo’s) story is told, also took place on a large scale. The visual of him wearing a bone mask left an impression on me.

Aida: We decided a character wearing bones would appear early on in the series… Later on we settled on Number 6 being a shinigami (god of death) and the decision that he would be an oni came after. He has an invigorating face, like one that would belong to a member of a baseball club, but his actual personality is nowhere near sportsmanlike. Being able to dig deep into Aoi’s character during the No. 6 arc was really fun.

Iro: Since the Picture Perfect arc was a refreshing change of pace, I started conceptualizing the No. 6 arc by going in the opposite direction. I wanted to create a grimy, unpleasant story, containing self-serving old customs and disagreements between the characters. It was fun to have the characters get shaken up by new plot developments; I labored really hard while writing it.

Interviewer: Being able to see sides of Aoi she wouldn’t show to Akane and seeing her get worse was painful. I feel that seeing the characters grow and change is another one of the highlights of reading Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun. I also felt that Mitsuba and Kou had a nice relationship in the “Night Out” arc.

Iro: I enjoy writing about Mitsuba and Kou’s relationship. Writing the script for the Aquarium arc wasn’t easy…

Aida: We were mulling it over during karaoke when suddenly we saw clown fish and coral reefs pass by on the monitor. “Should we do an aquarium?” “Aquarium sounds good.” And the rest was history.

Interviewer: So that's how that came to be! Next, I want to talk about the spinoff, Hōkago Shōnen Hanako-kun (After-school Hanako-kun). The humorous chapters and crazy plot twists make it so fun! Tell us more about the chapters you were able to make because they were made for Hōkago Shōnen Hanako-kun and the scenes that you personally enjoyed.

Iro: I plan it so that all of the characters get equal amounts of screen time. That said, occasionally there is some bias. We were able to create the chapter where Nene turns into a Mokke precisely because it was a chapter made for “Hōkago.” That chapter (Day 9: Truth of the Mokke) is my personal favorite.

Interviewer: Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun, a brand rife with animated shows, events and the like, is nearing its 10th anniversary! Congratulations! I’m looking forward to all of the anniversary events.

Aida: Thank you! A lot of merchandise has been made in celebration. Get excited!

Interviewer: Additionally, Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun Season 2 begins airing in January 2025! Tell us what you’re looking forward to seeing in the new anime.

Iro: There is so much I’m looking forward to it’s hard to choose… I’m excited to see the opening and ending.

Interviewer: The opening and ending are like a condensed version of the work, so it makes sense they would grab your attention. To cap things off, not limited to just Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun, tell us what’s been on your mind, what you’re into lately, or something you want to try in the future.

Iro: I love escape rooms, so I have a dream of one day collaborating with SCRAP and making one. I also love haunted houses, so I want to collaborate with one of those someday, too. I want a Mokke alarm clock. Also, I want to make a Jibaku Shōnen Hanako-kun horror game. I love video games, and I’ve always felt an urge to create them. This feeling will never die.

Aida: I like railroads, so I would like to ride the Jungfrau in Switzerland one day. There are many railways I haven’t ridden yet that I’d like to ride within Japan, too.

Interviewer: Thank you for answering all of our questions!

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