neiviele

[neiviele]

The last screenshots i have of this

TW for trans misogyny, misogyny in general and racism and also just general abusive behaviour

[neiviele]

Blue is letting me use her blog for something far more important than she can convey.

We fear the end of endos is near. We’re (all of endos and pro endos) being replaced by (pro)radendos. If we don’t do anything now our entire community with be destroyed. Will you fight to save yourself and those around you, or will you willingly throw everything away for a fake moral highground.

I beg of you all, make the right choice.

—Bluestar

[neiviele]

Hi. Im the anon from about a day ago that sent asks to @quoigenic-anon exposing the little group chat thats behind most of the rad endo anons and shit

I made the mistake of posting those in a breaking down rage for all of these people before getting many screenshots, so as such. I dont have very many to bring to you. But i do have these from a few hours i believe before anticreatedsyscourse was made

I feel like utter racist shit for letting this go on as this is about the worst it got with the racism as i myself am a person of color. Even though i was not technically the one saying these things i feel immense guilt for letting it go under my nose for so long and i am truly so sorry to any syscoursers of color

Trigger warning for the r slurs and n slurs below

Censorde in red is me, censored in black is the person behind anticreatedsyscourse and censored in blue is the main ring leader and the other two werent on at this time since they are in a different timezone

[neiviele]

Let's talk about linguistics! About semantics specifically.

Immediate warning: I'm not a professional, like, at all, I'm speaking merely from my experience about subject I was interested in for a while.

What is a word? It's a basic element of language that carries meaning. It's a bunch of symbols (or even one symbol, like "I") with a meaning. You can easily tell "bskejewjg" is not a word, because it carries no meaning.

But where does meaning come from? The easiest way to interpret it:

1. An individual suggests what a certain combination of sounds/letters refers to (it can be an object, a concept, other...)

2. Society accepts this suggestion. Or even a significant part of society accepts it and starts using the said word in sentences, giving it context.

You know, every word starts as a neologism. "Doomscrolling" used to be a neologism, but now it's used a lot and has become a common word.

It also applies to coining! A person suggests a word/term, and society accepts it. Or at least doesn't go against it. And the coined term should also be used by someone to still have a meaning, but it's not a problem, because usually the coiner or the requester uses the term.

The important part is accepting the meaning of the word, which leads to word existing. Basically, it's an agreement. Just like social contract: unspoken, but implied.

Do you remember when someone suggested "pseudomates" as an alternative word for "alters/headmates" for endogenic systems? One of the main reasons it didn't stick (besides implying endogenic headmates are fake) is that there would be no agreement with the usage of "pseudomates". Even if someone really used this word, it wouldn't stay for long.

So, why am I talking about it?

Yes, it all comes to "radendo", and my take is that it's not a word.

We haven't seen a proper coining post (I literally scrolled the whole "radendo" search tag on Tumblr, it's not that long even with reblogs included), so the only way to find out the meaning is... Sigh... Anons. And the-dino-that-cannot-be-named.

Let's see what we have here...

So, "radendo" means "created/protogenic/spontaneous systems"? Wait, let's keep researching...

Wait a second, does "radendo" actually mean "the one who believes in created/protogenic/spontaneous plurality"? Like, in a "pro endo ≠ endogenic" way? "Radendo" means holding a certain belief?

As you can see, there's inconsistency in the actual meaning of "radendo". If it was coined (which means given a definition) then why are there these inconsistencies?

I don't see agreement. I don't see a significant part of society that accepts the suggested meaning of this bunch of symbols. All these "pro endos who coined this term" are nowhere to be seen or heard.

Suggestion is not enough. There has to be usage. There has to be an object, a concept behind "radendo" for it to be a word. And there has to be acceptance of the implied meaning.

Well, we all know that syscourse community (if we can even call it a community) disagrees with the suggested meaning.

It means "radendo" is not a word.

Also, honorable mention:

These are also not words for the same reasons. Pretending the word exists doesn't make it exist so easily, it's not how language works.

There's a post by about how the usage of "radendo" is inherently incorrect in context of "radendos are not endogenic" narrative.

Also, do you know where this bunch of symbols came from?

From this post. Yes. It's not even made up by that anon. It's the very first mention of "radendo" on Tumblr. I have no evidence, but I have a strong belief that the "radendo" anon just took this word to use.

(VERY IMPORTANT: don't go to these people. Don't send them anon hate or anything. I swear, if I discover they start receiving hate after this post, I'll get so disappointed, I do not condone it. They have NOTHING to do with this discourse.)

You know what's funny? Because of this discourse, "radendo" actually gained a meaning. Not through suggestion, but through association. It's just the way language works.

"Radendo" now means "anti-willo".

"Radendo anon" = "Anti-willo anon".

Thanks for reading!

[neiviele]

Willogenic isn’t inherently endogenic yes. Because Willogenics are real meanwhile endogenic systems are.

this is true right here

[neiviele]

I think they're gradually getting more desperate since nobody is believing them. If you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth, but first someone has to believe, and nobody is believing them.

And yes, I'd be interested in that radendo semantics post!

I love it when the anti willo anon changes narrative when old ways don't work. And they tend to change to more aggressive one.

(I'm not sure if it's sarcastic or genuine. I mean, it's funny, but also sad.)

[neiviele]

Actually transspecies isn't a transid, it's been used in the otherkin and therian community for decades, and many transspecies don't identify with the radqueer community. That being said, it is interesting that anon views transspecies as being more acceptable and separate from radqueers than created systems, who are as far as it gets from radqueers. It also indicates that they may be vaguely familiar with alterhuman history.

And yeah fat people are definitely oppressed, if not discriminated against. I don't know how you could look at all the posts of medical malpractice against fat people and come to any other conclusion.

The killer of all discourse is looking things up.

"There’s no such thing as harmless para-" [googles what paraphiles are] [deletes reply]

"Fat people are oppressed because-" [googles the fat "acceptance" movement] [deletes reply]

"Transpecies is harmful because- [googles the history of the term] [deletes reply]

"Createds are valid and-" [googles the history of the createds community] [gets disgusted] [deletes reply]

*tries to make a point* *uses entirely different examples and tries to make one out to be worse than the others* *point is ineffective, partly because of lack of examples or evidence*

On a more serious note, what the fuck, anon? I thought we were over this discourse and moving on because it’s bullshit? We’re not even engaging in the discourse that much, but we were involved and anons like you keep coming up to us despite being completely free not to.

Also, I will not be taking anons at their word when they come up with no evidence and are from a specific group of people that want to villainize another group for no reason.

So.

[neiviele]

... not saying which blog it is, but i think you all know.

but honestly? the silliest, most based outcome to come out of this. the created systems we're just too much, the pro-created systems celebrated, we had a toast, a cake, and a dance about everyone that was posted onto the blog

its like taking down the hydra. every anon we shat on, two more were sent

anti endos and pro endos came together and shook hands. they said "this blog and ideology stinks" and we partied

anyways, i wish everyone a very good day and and a very comfy sleep, regardless of opinions

[neiviele]

I LAUGHED

[neiviele]

Sophie's Pendulum

[neiviele]

This is not meant to be defending Sophie because I hate her and actively avoid doing anything even mildly supportive of her with all the harm she's done but the fakeclaiming NEEDS to be talked about. Because the amount I'm seeing Sophie fakeclaimed right now is a problem(for the entire community not just for Sophie).

We can't have this be the bar where if someone acts in this type of undesirable way we can fakeclaim them. Have they ever done anything for attention? OMG faker. Are there any similarities between headmates living in the same body? OMG that's a tell. That's the level we are stooping to? You have just fakeclaimed so many real systems by making that potential criteria for faking. Also have you stopped to think some of the things you are pointing to could be... symptoms of other disorders(whether or not diagnosed)?

And whoever is calling Ghost neurotypical knock it the fuck off! You are fakeclaiming more than just Sophie there. You are fakeclaiming the disorders they collectively do have. If I remember correctly they are on disability so stop acting like they can't be a minority in any way even if they aren't a minority in the ways that are relevant to the conversation. It's ableist.

And here is the counter evidence to Sophie being fake. We have seen her run a fake blog before(anti-lies), we have seen her be a fake persona in anon asks(the harbinger which then became a blog). All of them fizzled out quickly as all blogs like that do no matter who is running them. She can't maintain a fake blog for long but can somehow keep her blog going for years? Unlikely.

Please we can hate people all we want but this sets a bad precedent for fakeclaiming in the community. I understand the pain she has caused so many but it's not worth the systems who will likely get caught in the crossfire to fakeclaim her.

[neiviele]

as if i don’t have connections and family in japan and china. as if im just a dumb little asian american that knows nothing about japan. as if i dont know anything about my culture and history

fuck off sophie. genuinely fuck you. i’ve been stripped of my culture and my identity because of living in america and being forced into white culture and beliefs. and to be told im just a westerner is fucking insulting

you know NOTHING about being a person of color. YOU ARE WHITE!!! WHITE!!! WHYYYYTUUUHHHH!!!! stop fucking talking for people of color. shut your fucking mouth and listen

[neiviele]

This blog was a unifying force, with a strength that no one expected.

If we could wring out one last act of unity.

Giant Sysblr Discord voicechat.

Wait that's a trochaic tetrameter-

A good time would be June 1st 9AM New York Time. Great way to kick off Pride Month and somewhat accessible in most timezones people live in.

We are merely offering the suggestion. We will leave it to someone else to create the group chat slash server if someone thinks it's worth doing. If that happens, it will be reblogged here.

[neiviele]

It doesn't matter the exact nature in question:

You shouldn't set out to intentionally create a headmate based on bigoted stereotypes.

It doesn't matter what the bigoted stereotype is.

There's nothing wrong with a headmate being *similar* to a stereotype.

You just shouldn't set out to make one that fits a bigoted stereotype.

I don't understand why this is even a matter of contention.

[neiviele]

Because people don't want to believe child abuse exists in such large amounts. So they'd rather deny it and say it's rare, because otherwise you'd be forced to reckon with the fact that child abuse, mistreatment and neglect exists everywhere.

ray and I were wondering about this, so we'll ask syscourse's opinion.

why do you think that DID is actually considered rare, so much so that the misconception is often used to assume 'it's too rare for me/you/etc. to have it'?

without using the word stigma if possible

[neiviele]

There's two I know of so far! Walt Heyer - unfortunately he uses his platform to decry transitioning in general, but he says he transitioned due to MPD and his alters making the decision, not because of gender dysphoria. When he realized this he detransitioned.

Then there's a more recent one involving a lesbian, Layton Ulery, who claims she was treated as transgender and given treatments she didn't need when really she needed treatments for DID.

And in general detransitioners (when not trans people forced into the closet) vary in their reasons for detransitioning. Some feel like it wasn't for them, some feel that they were actually happier as their assigned sex, some feel like trauma and social issues caused their gender dysphoria, and yes - some, like the above, may have been systems who shouldn't have transitioned.

how many detransitioners do you think were actually systems without realizing

LOL! Now that's a fun question!

It's definitely an interesting thing to consider. I've mentioned before how I think about 20-40% of the population experiences childhood plurality. So I believe plurality is way more common than people typically think.

I imagine there are plenty of people who are plural and don't know it, interpret a fronting headmate of a different gender as just being trans. And then a new host takes over and detransitions.

But I can't say really. I mean, I haven't even really interacted with detransitioners.

But it would be interesting to explore.

Do they feel dissociated from their time transitioned? Do they sometimes feel like their trans self is different from them? Have they have ever felt like they talked to their trans self internally?

Without knowing the answers to these questions, it's impossible to even guess beyond saying that the number is greater than 0.

[neiviele]

When we talk about weird beliefs and ideas that people hold, I think we forget to look at ourselves

What weird things do you believe that someone would call you strange for having? What are you DOING with those beliefs?

People talk about Colin Ross and his eye beams as if he's a complete whack job, but you forget that his experimental science has a very good purpose and intention

His invention, and the hypothetical science behind it, is meant to help those with disabilities and limited movement interact with things around their house

Looking at a light switch to turn it on or off, looking at the TV to change channels, turn on stereos and interact with the signals to potentially communicate, if they're currently unable to.

The idea might be crazy, but all the power to him if he can get it working.

Some of these devices now exist, using similar mechanisms, but isn't that how science and invention works? You put an idea out there, other people improve on it, change it, fix it.

He believes in chi. A lot of people do. Would you speak of them all the same way? Do you believe in karma?

I believe in multiple dimensions and that these little "jumps" that I randomly get are from "me" dying in an alternate timeline. It gives me hope and eases my anxiety that if I were to die today in a freak accident, it's not the end. It helps me leave my house, but I'm doing shit all to help people by testing my beliefs. I just call myself weird and move on. Currently, this isn't that strange of a belief, there's an incredible amount of research into this concept, even if it seems unbelievable and impossible.

Look at all the research going into various types of voice hearing and plurality and pause for a second. So far, all of this work is showing promising therapeutic techniques that are HELPING people, and the research is showing, apparently, generally positive impacts on the people experiencing such things.

And we're all here arguing about whether it's real and possible and how impossible it must be, completely ignoring the EFFECTS these things have on a larger scale. And it seems to be positive in highly tangible ways (real, documented positive improvements in voice hearing patients using techniques discussed in syscourse and plural spaces).

The more I think about it, the more I support experimental sciences that are largely harmless on a grand scale but could actually help humanity. Stop putting innocent ideas down so harshly and discrediting everyone who thinks of new, potential ideas or inventions.

We didn't have to kill Giordano Bruno for believing the earth revolved around the sun, but we did. Sometimes, things end up working. I wonder what else he had to offer.