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So, guys, you know how some people keep saying that jayvik are "just completely platonic soulmates" who are also just very good friends and there's nothing romantic about them at all? I can't stop thinking about how I would never want to be in a relationship with a guy who already has a confirmed soulmate, who is his special person in every single universe, with whom he is intertwined on every possible level, whom he will also always choose before me, who is already his "lab partner", whom he likes to touch and whom he calls beautiful and perfect. Idk, maybe I'm weird, but I would very much want to be the special most important person for my (romantic) partner rather than watching him leave me to tell his "completely platonic soulmate" how special beautiful and perfect he is... or to hold his "totally platonic soulmate" by his neck for the eternity... I would prefer to find my own soulmate who would be both my partner and my best friend and who would always choose me rather than somebody else.

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So, guys, you know how some people keep saying that jayvik are "just completely platonic soulmates" who are also just very good friends and there's nothing romantic about them at all? I can't stop thinking about how I would never want to be in a relationship with a guy who already has a confirmed soulmate, who is his special person in every single universe, with whom he is intertwined on every possible level, whom he will also always choose before me, who is already his "lab partner", whom he likes to touch and whom he calls beautiful and perfect. Idk, maybe I'm weird, but I would very much want to be the special most important person for my (romantic) partner rather than watching him leave me to tell his "completely platonic soulmate" how special beautiful and perfect he is... or to hold his "totally platonic soulmate" by his neck for the eternity... It's a deal breaker for me cause I would prefer my partner to be my own soulmate and to choose me over his friends, family etc. if we were together. I would probably try to find my own soulmate and best friend instead, because I believe romance doesn't mean you can't also be best friends.

So my question for you:

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The meme is not mine and I have no idea who made it. I found it in this video

Episode 6 still doesn't make sense to me.

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Humbly posting this original art here… erm!

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love to think how the rune teleported them across Runeterra and now they get to chill and explore it together

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Just wanted to say that I've been proven wrong and I'm ashamed of this post. I'm going to delete it in few days after making another one about the case and why I've changed my mind

With all due respect I think some of you guys are forgetting that whether you like it or not Christian Linke still has the fate of our favorite characters (or at least important to some of us) in his hand. I don't agree with the idea that asexual people can't have romantic partners. I'm asexual myself, and I do love jayvik ship. Christian doesn't. He sees them as brothers, and has always seen them like that. And you know what? Him seeing them as brothers didn't change the fact that in the end we got a series with romantic tension, scenes that can be interpreted as romantic by everybody who wants it, and that it ended more or less with a cosmic marriage. Like their souls intertwined as somebody wise once said. So what that he doesn't ship them personally? We're still left with an ambiguous ending that can go either way and while some interviews make it look like they're dead (afterglow - but even Christian said that many statements were edited and taken out of context) others hint at the possibility of them surviving (Necrit interview). I know that some of you like the death ending but personally I do like the idea that they may one day appear in another project and may not entirely be dead (maybe they just lost their human bodies or are trapped in the Viktor's spirit dimension or something else) my point is that there is still hope but if some of you will continue to insult CO_CREATOR of Arcane for not shipping them he can very easily kill these characters by finally explicitly claiming everywhere that they're dead dead and will never ever reappear. I swear if we will lose all hope and any possibility of their survival because of a shipping drama on X I'm going to be pissed. Christian Linke not shipping them won't kill the ship, but people insulting him may kill the characters. Edit: Criticism is valid of course, I'm just saying let's not INSULT him.

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I've been kinda trying to ship meljayvik for a week and I'm officially giving up. I'm too weak for this shit. I've started shipping them for several reasons mostly: 1. I like all 3 characters 2. Meljayvik art is beautiful 3. the jokes about Jayce being in love with 2 magical beings are great 4. Jayce has a type 5. Many members of the arcane team have been open about shipping meljayvik 6. While I do believe there are not enough Mel-Viktor interactions, I believe the ship has big potential and I've stumbled upon several ideas for fics that I find charming as well as interesting. 7. Toks (Mel's VA) is a great, talented person, she makes me love Mel and crave more Mel content.

That being said, I'm giving up. Almost every single time I search through tags and Mel or M3ljay* (if you wonder why it's censored look at the end of the post) are mentioned alongside Viktor and Jayvik 95% of the content is just pure hate, insults, harassment, and vitriol. The hate comes from both ways of course and perhaps some m3ljay fans have encountered some from jayvik fans but, personally, I have seen much more hate directed at viktor and people shipping jayvik or even meljayvik. People say "don't erase and vilify Mel for jayvik" (which I agree with) only to in the same comment or post vilify Viktor and hate on him making sometimes ridiculous claims. Innocent jokes referencing what c.l. said, about how if Jayce sees Viktor as a brother then his relationship with Mel is also "sibling-coded" are treated as a war crime by some M3ljay fans even if you ship both. Joking about Mel's actress liking jayvik posts, shipping them or referencing her doing that in any way is a crime and any person who has ever dared to consider Jayce and Viktor as romantic, post any art or joke about jayvik (which also includes Mel's VA) is insulted, harassed, slandered and called "racist". Even shipping meljayvik is treated as an insult because "only m3ljay is ok"). And don't even let me start on Mel because she can only ever be perfect and anytime somebody dares to say that while she is not perfect she is still a complex, interesting character it's treated as hating on her... Saying that she is skilled in manipulation, politics, intrigues, schemes, and playing people is somehow an insult despite it being her job and despite her achieving so much while at such a young age on her own being a testimony to how good at it and skilled she is. Saying that she was on the council for many years and the council has done awful things to Zaun is not permitted. Mentioning that her relationship with Jayce, while real, started as her trying to use and manipulate him because he was an investment - which is even an important theme in the show and the reason why they have a falling out in s2 - is somehow a hate crime. A lot of these people don't even care about Mel and often say stuff suggesting that if she doesn't end with Jayce she is somehow useless and disposable while, in reality, she is a strong, independent, and complex character who has her own story and who would be interesting even if her break up with Jayce in s2 marked the definite end of their relationship (same for Viktor, except maybe having his own story because he and Jayce are intertwined in all universes in that regard). A lot of people are just using Mel (and Sky) to hide their ableism, homophobia, and sheer disgust for gay, bisexual and queer people... Perhaps there is also some hate and toxicity (that shouldn't be there) on the jayvik side of fandom towards M3ljay, but during my limited time as a new meljayvik shipper and looking through tags, I have not encountered people openly hating on Mel at all. Things that get labeled as "hate" are mostly people saying she was manipulative at the beginning (which yes, she was), is good at manipulation (again, she is, like every politician, and it doesn't even make her evil) or is not a saint; people comparing Viktor and Mel's scenes or using the m3ljay tag while also shipping meljayvik; occasionally people saying why they prefer jayvik while also being polite and not hating on Mel (which also happens in reverse)... But never open hate, insults, and harassment that the other side directs towards jayvik fans and viktor. (Screens below - most from tumblr cause I'm lazy, but there are much more of it on other platforms, and the comments are often even worse) I'm too weak to deal with all this toxicity and hate. I still kinda like the ship and the all the characters but I'm going back to jayvik only.

*(I'm censoring this so that m3ljay fans who probably don't want it in their tag won't have to interact with this post because I consider it basic human culture. Would be lovely if m3ljay fans who love to shit on jayvik in jayvik fans did the same for once)

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I still think it's crazy that Caitlyn has been using chemical weapons on innocent civilians from Zaun for months fully knowing it will cause the death of hundreds or even thousands and cause dangerous diseases to others only to spread terror and catch one girl and in the end she not only got 0 repercussions but also got to play the role of a hero.... She has been doing it for a prolonged period of time she is bound to have a super high kill count.

She is like Singed only nobody is defending Singed.

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and i thought it wasnt possible for her to get MORE stunning

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12. Official accounts for Netflix Brasil and Netflix Poland

I know we hate long posts on this site but here's a quick collection of everyone official I could find supporting JayVik and a Viktor who fucks

Interview with Fortiche animator Andres Derakhshani spilling the tea on what the story team intended and examples of his loud support for JayVik as a romantic couple [twt screenshot source) — The TLoU episode he's referring to is episode 3, which depicts a beautifully written explicit sexual and romantic gay relationship

2. Fortiche animators making and sharing their own (Mel)JayVik art [source] / [source]

3. Viktor's character designer Monteiro

4. Riot games creative director is a hardcore JayVik shipper (all she's been posting lately is JayVik art -> https://x.com/riotmoosey)

5. Fortiche animator FeeReroo on Twitter endorsing JayVik art and posting their own

6. Official League of Legends TikTok

7. Jayce's voice actor

8. Mel's voice actress (she also likes a lot of JayVik fanart on insta)

9. Official League of Legends account for the UK, Ireland & Nordics

10. Official Netflix Geeked account

11. Official Arcane account

Bonus: Viktor's voice actor reading fanfic

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Thank you so much for translating this!

I agree with you. I see him as asexual too, have been for quite some time but not really aromantic. Maybe I'm just projecting but their relationship doesn't seem aroace to me too... It's the opposite actually almost every scene looks romantic. Also asexual people can totally be in romantic relationships... It doesn't seem that he realizes it.

So apparently there is an interview in German where Christian Linke states they considered Viktor to be asexual (I don't know german so I can't confirm this 100% but this is what I've been hearing on the Internet) In a way it's a win because I'm asexual and it's nice to have representation. On the other hand I don't get why they think Viktor being asexual means he can't possibly have a romantic partner or any meaningful relationship other than "friendship" or "brotherhood"....

First of all there are a lot of of asexual people who are not aromantic. We exist. Secondly, asexuality is a spectrum...

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With all due respect I think some of you guys are forgetting that whether you like it or not Christian Linke still has the fate of our favorite characters (or at least important to some of us) in his hand. I don't agree with the idea that asexual people can't have romantic partners. I'm asexual myself, and I do love jayvik ship. Christian doesn't. He sees them as brothers, and has always seen them like that. And you know what? Him seeing them as brothers didn't change the fact that in the end we got a series with romantic tension, scenes that can be interpreted as romantic by everybody who wants it, and that it ended more or less with a cosmic marriage. Like their souls intertwined as somebody wise once said. So what that he doesn't ship them personally? We're still left with an ambiguous ending that can go either way and while some interviews make it look like they're dead (afterglow - but even Christian said that many statements were edited and taken out of context) others hint at the possibility of them surviving (Necrit interview). I know that some of you like the death ending but personally I do like the idea that they may one day appear in another project and may not entirely be dead (maybe they just lost their human bodies or are trapped in the Viktor's spirit dimension or something else) my point is that there is still hope but if some of you will continue to insult CO_CREATOR of Arcane for not shipping them he can very easily kill these characters by finally explicitly claiming everywhere that they're dead dead and will never ever reappear. I swear if we will lose all hope and any possibility of their survival because of a shipping drama on X I'm going to be pissed. Christian Linke not shipping them won't kill the ship, but people insulting him may kill the characters. Edit: Criticism is valid of course, I'm just saying let's not INSULT him.

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So about the contradictory statements... There was somebody on X complaining about how Christian said Jayce and Viktor are dead. And he responded saying that it was a recorded interview, many things were cut together from out of context moments and Netflix didn't even show him the afterglow before publishing it... It is however not specified whether only the way he speak was changed so that it looks easy or whether perhaps him talking about Viktor and Jayce's ending was way more ambiguous than they made it out to be.... All I'm going to say is that Necrit's interview was streamed irl so nothing was "cut-out-of-context" there. That being said I still wish they just left this ending open instead of statements that seem contradictory...

I've been trying to write something about Jayce and Viktor's ending for several days and almost every day there is a new interview where they state something different. It's frustrating. Christian Linke in the afterglow: Jayce and Viktor disintegrated. Also Christian Linke in the interview with Necrit answering what Viktor is now: "Too early to go into too much detail, but I’d say Viktor is made up far more the hexcore than any other force, and the hexcore is more powerful than any of the other hextech Jayce devised, so he’s quite powerful, let’s leave it at that." Why? Why is it too early to tell us what Viktor is now if he's already dead and it was confirmed (or was it??) in the afterglow. Shouldn't the obvious answer be "somebody who merged with the hexcore and is now dead"? Why couldn't they just leave it ambiguous and had to start giving contradictory statements and hints in every single interview?? If anyone can make it make sense or would like to share their opinion on what the ending for Jayce and Vik is I would be grateful ;)

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Viktor is ticklish and it's canon XDD

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I've been trying to write something about Jayce and Viktor's ending for several days and almost every day there is a new interview where they state something different. It's frustrating. Christian Linke in the afterglow: Jayce and Viktor disintegrated. Also Christian Linke in the interview with Necrit answering what Viktor is now: "Too early to go into too much detail, but I’d say Viktor is made up far more the hexcore than any other force, and the hexcore is more powerful than any of the other hextech Jayce devised, so he’s quite powerful, let’s leave it at that." Why? Why is it too early to tell us what Viktor is now if he's already dead and it was confirmed (or was it??) in the afterglow. Shouldn't the obvious answer be "somebody who merged with the hexcore and is now dead"? Why couldn't they just leave it ambiguous and had to start giving contradictory statements and hints in every single interview?? If anyone can make it make sense or would like to share their opinion on what the ending for Jayce and Vik is I would be grateful ;)

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So apparently there is an interview in German where Christian Linke states they considered Viktor to be asexual (I don't know german so I can't confirm this 100% but this is what I've been hearing on the Internet) In a way it's a win because I'm asexual and it's nice to have representation. On the other hand I don't get why they think Viktor being asexual means he can't possibly have a romantic partner or any meaningful relationship other than "friendship" or "brotherhood"....

First of all there are a lot of of asexual people who are not aromantic. We exist. Secondly, asexuality is a spectrum...