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My parents found out I shipped sebaciel...

They don't give a fuck! Wow! it's almost as if fictional ships don't affect reality!!!

Seriously though my mom watched the corset scene while we were watching Black Butler together and was like "so the demon definitely wants to have sex with him." and i was like YES MOM. THATS THE PLOT OF THE SHOW.

Other interesting quotes.

"Oh, so he barks." - episode 2

"So that's where you got your personality from" - episode 4

"Oh that's a woman woman... Queen?" - Episode 8

"Okay- so the sexual tension is obvious- why does everyone want to fuck blue boy? Why don't they want Sebastian?" -Episode 6

"Is the drug dealer single?"

"I'd leave <my dad's name> for Lau."

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could we get a moodboard of sebastian x ciel from black butler?

I'm still taking requests for mood board/collages of any ships just give me character names and fandom and I'll do my best

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I don't wanna cause drama but I just can't. BRO?? I've seen the father take but BRO?? I can't believe people read and watch shota and then are like.... but is he father??? is he BRO???

you don't have to ship sebaciel but damn can you at least admit that Sebastian is a depraved demonic individual and wants ciel as a meal and entertainment?? how come you read the original and everything still went over your head....

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Me since 2019 🙏

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What if...

What if we used what antis say and make it into a purposefully bad Sebaciel fanfiction?

Warning: noncon, character death, ciel suicide baiting Sebastian in the second sentence

Ciel struck Sebastian. "Kill yourself!" he said to the demon.

Taking it as a challenge, Sebastian smirked devilishly. "Not until you suck my massive cock, my lord."

Ciel looked away and frowned. "Sebastian, I want you to be my father as I'm only a child. You're 200 years old so you're old enough to be him."

Sebastian touches his cheek and gets the boy to look at him. "I already am." His face morphs into that of Vincent Phantomhive.

Ciel gazes into the eyes of his predecessor. "What will you do now?"

The demon's eyes glow and his teeth grow sharp. He leans in close to his ear and Ciel swallows hard. "Get raped."

The desk creaks as he's bent over it. "Please stop!" The little boy pants. "I'm just a fragile child with no agency in this story whatsoever!" Ciel moans so loud that the servants hear and are angry about it.

"He's a child. We must protect the young master, yes!" Meyrin says. They gather weapons and head to the young master's study to kill Sebastian. Meyrin opens the door to assess the situation, blood spouts from her nose, and she falls over dead.

"We must avenge her!" says Bard. "Gotta stop this cheese pizza and kill this PDF file."

Grell also smashes through the window for some reason and sneers at his appearance so the servants do nothing. Sebastian-Vincent stops and runs out of the smashed window like a beast. "Where are you going, Bassy?! I'm cumming for you, my love!" She leaves while Ciel sleeps on the floor and Sebastian-Vincent never returns yet still longs for his master-son.

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My Top 100 Ships (#28: Sebastian/Ciel)

Source: Black Butler

When Did I Start Shipping Them? The exact moment that I started enjoying the show: episode two, when Sebastian comes to rescue Ciel. I think it was specifically the moment that he breaks the bindings for Ciel.

Why Do I Ship Them? Is aesthetics an appropriate answer here? The style of the show is just so good and I loved the manga covers of them together. Further than that, I think that the dual power imbalance is an interesting dynamic: the idea that Ciel can use Sebastian to explore and reclaim his trauma partially as an extension of himself. And I'm compelled by predatory characters whose subtext in the canon is made the focus of the fanfictions.

Favourite Fanfiction Tropes/Staples? I'm a big fan of fics that include a little bit of blood-tasting in their demon mythology. What are those fangs for, if not biting? My ideal Black Butler fic is always a post-S2 fic, I think the anime ending is genuinely so interesting and I love double demon fics, especially if people can pull off and expand the world-building, which is rare, but again this is my ideal fic.

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blood feeding is one of, if not the sexiest part of sebaciel. cannot overdo it, give me the same cake 245 times and I'll ask for more

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one of his silly little rants, again, i'm sure...

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(hey, i don't post art here a lot! if you wanna see more, visit my twitter at @eefstrokingoff or my bluesky under the same name. thank you!)

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proship culture is shipping sebaciel back then when black butler was super popular and that ship was the norm, and now if you do at least three people will say you're disgusting

booo where are the traditions????

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Cutting more like a censure, idk

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Cant hold back from my fantasy roots for too long

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Yes! Spiting people is the reason I exist, basically. And it’s also (part of) the reason for a lot of my fics’ existence. The other part is sheer enjoyment, but spite is way more fun of a reason.

I’ve got some Sebaciel cooking in light of some anon hate I’ve gotten recently (but ignored, since I don’t feel like fuelling them right now, fun as that may be sometimes).

Spite 💪

Nah u a pedo, u think abt lil ass kids getting raped by adults. I hope ur depression gets worst and u fucking kill urself before you rape a child.

Ur a genuine pedo to ship a fucking child with an adult, slit ur wrist open tonight that way we don’t gotta see ur kiddie toucher content every again retard

diagnosed me with something i don't even have 😭

my content is quite tame for sebaciel in general, im not even a fan of shota (nothing wrong w it, it's just not my cup of tea)

anyway

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@chimeridae @ceoandslutler

Well, I would tag that guy but whatever.

See the thing is: sexual fictional content of children in any capacity is not "child porn" in the way you're saying, basically. They're not legally the same. They're not conceptually the same.

So this is why Ceo said you're equating them. "Child porn" is illegal because it features real children. There are Real victims and systems of exploitation.

To call lolisho or whatever Child porn is to say hentai where rape occurs is exactly the same as real rape. But that's obviously not true. No one actually got hurt drawing the hentai. No one actually got hurt drawing the lolisho.

And re: if you like that thing please go to therapy? People DO go to therapy for it. All the time. And yeah, a good therapist will tell you it's fine. It's not hurting anyone.

The real question is always: Is it hurting you to think about? Well, that is something a therapist could work on. But why do something if it doesn't bring you any level of comfort. People don't typically do that. What hurts people is feeling constantly shamed for their interests because random people on the internet keep telling them they're a REAL pedophile when all they've ever done is think maybe Kevin and Edd from Ed, Edd, and Eddy should like do the nasty.

And fictional children are largely NOTHING LIKE REAL CHILDREN, in my experience and probably also in yours. If they're not Overly sophisticated and exceptional, they're exaggerated. And barely physically resemble real children to begin with. There is a HUGE gap between real child and Edd from Ed, Edd, and Eddy.

Fun fact: I am a clinical mental health professional. That is my Job. I would never look a client in the eye after they disclosed something like this to me and think "wow they're fucked" or "ew go die", which for some reason is what antis seem to think is acceptable. This is what we're talking about.

So kindly: stay out of others business when it comes to their little fictional ships. It doesn't matter and it doesn't effect you.

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When sebaciel antis are like “sebaciel fans aren’t the minority in the fandom and that’s sooooooo problematic” I just wanna tell them that they’re in the wrong fandom if that’s what they think

right?? like welcome to the shotacon's show, im not even into shota (only in sebaciel context and certain canon works, even then my fic has ciel aged up) but im not going to close my eyes while i watch the show and be in denial that it's shotabait. even non kuro fans can tell there's something between them like... antis can literally show an average person clips of sebaciel and say that it's problematic that so many people ship them even though it's not canon and this is the response they'll get:

like sorry you chose to watch the demon x shota show??? and then got mad that the canon makes people ship the two characters??

BUT regarding antis saying nonsensical things? i actually see the opposite a lot too. they'll say stuff like: "s-s-sebaciel shippers are j-just a minority, you see, they're all CRAZY, SICK PEDOPHILES! m-most of the fandom is NORMAL and SANE like me who wants to KILL all the sebaciel shippers,,, hehe don't worry!!! our fandom is welcoming but NOT to the LOUD MINORITY of sebaciel shippers!!!!!" (i lost my ss but i saw someone talking like this i swear 😭😭😭)

like. pick a side. either we're a loud minority or we make up the largest portion of the fandom.

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going into the anti sebaciel tag to block people and laughing at how the sebaciel tag has new posts almost daily and the anti sebaciel tag gets update like once a week 😭

These bitches wouldn’t have this fandom if it wasn’t for us don’t lie

and you know those bums are recycling posts. atp all you see in that dead ass tag is shit like,,, 1) editor k said this (xyz years ago) and 2) j michael tatum (who isn't even involved in the manga's creation) said that, or 3) the most desperate dadbastian delusion posts ever*... ok then, antisebaciels, explain why every time i turn the page i see sebastian and ciel giving each other the "we're gonna assfuck soon" stare. and the source material is much more valuable than word of mouth so what now? they have NOTHING to post about to defend their position except the same irrelevant stuff.

*not to be a dadbastian hater (i gen do not care how you see them), i have talked about this before but they just twist canon so bad sometimes that it's comical

just in the recent chapters where sbcl reappeared after eons, yana just drew them flirting all shoujo style (211), ogling each other/eye-fucking (212) and had them ask each other out- ciel gets sebs tea (212) and sebs talks about all the tourist attractions brighton has trying to get ciel to go (213)... what do they even have to post about anymore? like we keep winning it's insane 😭

we have so much to talk about, that's why we can keep filling the tag. also we have SO many talented creators: artists and writers and editors and all of those talented people culminate into a melting pot of creativity and passion which has kept this ship and in extension this fandom alive.

this is a good time to remind ourselves that antis are reactionaries and most reactionaries do not create, they attack pre-existing content and that's why they don't have a lot of content in the anti-sebaciel tag which only exists to go against an established concept.

(and when they do create, it is bland, sanitised (or at least advertised as such) and presented as more morally correct to consume. anti content is limited and avoids anything that deviates from the norms. who really wants to go read some fanfic author patting themself in the back about how good they are?)

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not to always complain about antis but why do they read/watch kuro if they hate sebastian this much

he's the mc how do u have beef w him so bad, interpret him however u want but if you genuinely dislike him... why put yourself thru the torture of reading his story (and this is about him, no way to argue against that)

like are you just gonna ignore all his development with the other servants... he is the epitome of an allegorical queer coded outcasted non human character who finds kinship in other odd (queer) people. how are you ignoring that lol

you can interpret main characters as morally grey or evil (a lot of times they are) but atp it feels like antis hate him and ignore any changes or developments in his personality, at least acknowledge him as part of the 'phantomfam' he helped to create. there would be no phantomfam w/o sebastian because there would be no o!ciel and phantomhive manor w/o sebastian,,, hell, there'd be no kuroshitsuji w/o sebastian. actually fun fact it's called 黒執事 kuroshitsuji (black butler) not 貴族子 kizokuko (noble kid).

they hate him until they sexualise him into the molds they want, usually within the ships they like [nothing wrong with those ships per se but they're viewed as 'correct' while the most canonical ship is wrong(?)] or they only love him after they take away all his sexual characteristics and turn him into a cat loving spinster, a dad/mom figure with no other characteristics other than (1) love cat, (2) dad/mombastian, (3) cooking and cleaning, nothing else but that ruins him because he's not that flat of a character in the original work... from what we've seen he likes a lot of things, he enjoys playing this butler game with ciel, he likes being mean and flirty, he likes being around certain humans like agni who he genuinely seemed to respect despite being a demon, he likes the concept of death and finds it beautiful, he has an eye for fashion and a lot more.

the way they treat him is akin to how society treated women in the victorian era... either the angel of the house (maternal figure, or in his case, paternal but they do momify him a lot, no sexualised identity or made limited and very 'pure'/'demure') or the hated demonised prostitute (evil evil demon taking advantage of little boy, no parental feelings and no feelings AT ALL, worthless). it's laughable how half of the fandom have such an innate dislike of sebs that they want to deny the changes within him or in the best case scenario, they'd minimise it. not to mention how they want ciel to be the perfect little sex-repulsed victim but other people have made posts about that before. my focus is on sebastian who is so grossly mischaracterised by antis, they are either purposely misunderstanding him or just very obtuse.

you guys have two interpretations of him and both are either dead wrong or at best extremely misinformed lol