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jonsa logic:

1. things I like are going to happen (no textual proof)

2. things I dislike aren’t going to happen (no textual proof)

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first they steal their theories and then say they don’t have any credibility… I’ve never seen snsn fans argue with this lot but they still feel so threatened they need to disparage a relationship underlined with actual canon romantic tones confirmed by the writer himself. well, truly pathetic… but again, when jonsas aren’t?

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imagin having a url “jonnelsansa” and thinking you have any right to cry about daenerys oh god when will these ppl stop talking out loud

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Ιf you are Jon Snow:

1. You either are sexist for liking a specific type of women or

2. In reality you like "feminine, lady like girls" but due to your inferiority complex ( because you are a bastard and bastards= complex) you feel unworthy of those perfect girls so you settle down for the inferior "masculine, warrior type of girls".

It's the character who is sexist - and the Martin who wrote him that way,too- for having a personal preference and not the fans who consider one type of girls inferior another. Never the fans who cannot fathom how any man would have a personal preference for those " inferior warrior girls" /s

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Jonerys shippers: in the books, in the House of the Undying, during the Bride of Fire prophecy, Dany has visions of her husbands and a blue flower. Jon’s mother is associated with blue roses, and the vision is of a blue flower on a wall of ice, so it’s most likely Jon. Since the prophecy is “bride of fire” and shows Dany’s other husbands, Dany will probably marry Jon too. And the flower filling the air with sweetness is a positive sign that indicates romance and happiness. Simple and elegant.

Jonsa shippers: well, in the books, in the House of the Undying, Dany sees a blue flower filling the air with sweetness. I’ll ignore the fact that the prophecy is “bride of fire”. It probably has nothing to do with marriage. I’ll focus on the word sweetness. In some random chapters of ASOIAF, sweetness is used in other contexts, and in some of them, negative contexts. That means every time the word sweetness is used in Dany’s chapters, the word changes meaning and means something negative. But only in Dany’s chapters, of course. If Sansa thinks it would be sweet to see Jon, then it’s foreshadowing of a romance. Nevermind that in Sansa’s chapters there are also moments in which the word sweetness is associated with negative things (like sweetsleep…). I’ll ignore that, and claim that sweet is always positive for Sansa and always negative for Dany. The blue flower filling the air with sweetness must mean something bad for Dany. Also, the blue flower actually isn’t Jon (let’s ignore that Jon’s mother is associated with blue flowers, and that the flower is on a wall of ice), it’s Sansa. See, in the show, during the House of the Undying, Dany walks through the throne room, and the throne room has a seven-pointed star in the glass window, with the interior part of the star painted blue. I’ll ignore that it’s a seven-pointed star, and instead claim that the blue interior of the star is a blue flower. So both in the books and the show, Dany sees a blue flower. And remember how Sansa was kneeling in the throne room and the seven-pointed star blue flower appeared in the background? That means the blue flower is Sansa! So the show reveals to us that the blue flower is Sansa, and the books reveal to us that the blue flower is a bad sign because it’s sweet. That means Sansa will be Dany’s undoing! Jon will betray and kill Dany for Sansa, just like he did in the show! Also, Sansa has her first period in book 2 and in season 2, and Cersei says that Sansa has “flowered”. So that’s another indication that Sansa is the blue flower! And in book 2 Ygritte tells Jon the story of the Winter Rose, and that’s also about Sansa for some reason! So mixing these book and show evidences that have nothing to do with each other, and ignoring the most obvious facts, I conclude that Jon will betray Dany for Sansa and Jonsa is canon.

Jonsa shippers: Jonsa fam really is the smartest! Our theories are not convoluted and nonsensical at all!

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Book Jon says “It’s death and destruction I want to bring upon House Lannister, not scorn”! Awesome line. Book Jon is freaking awesome!

And that line is the perfect counter to those Jonsa freaks who say Jon will be disgusted by Dany and Arya because they’ve killed people who deserved it. Nope. He’d be like “Those are my girls”

It's really quite something to behold how much a certain sub-fandom (which includes self-described so-called Jon "stans") want Jon to be this raging sexist hypocrite. They claim he is against violence -- that is, not against his own violence but against women doing violence (especially certain women: Arya, Dany, Ygritte, and Val).

Oh, poor put upon Jon :(

But when Jon does violence -- especially when it's supposedly for Sansa (or can be twisted into that purpose), that's okay -- nope, better than okay. That's love.

But that horrible Dany, Jon would hate her violence and "immorality":

Jon is traumatized by fire, isn't he? That's why he doesn't have any romantic observations of fire himself in ASOIAF.... after he burns his hand:

Jon went to cut more branches, snapping each one in two before tossing it into the flames. The tree had been dead a long time,** but it seemed to live again in the fire, as fiery dancers woke within each stick of wood to whirl and spin in their glowing gowns of yellow, red, and orange.**

(ACOK, Jon VIII)

And Jon has never never used fire as a weapon to kill...

Jon notched a fire arrow to his bowstring, and Satin lit it from the torch. He stepped to the parapet, drew, aimed, loosed. Ribbons of flame trailed behind as the shaft sped downward and thudded into its target, crackling.

(ASOS, Jon VII)

Not Styr. The steps. Or more precisely, the casks and kegs and sacks that Donal Noye had piled up beneath the steps, as high as the first landing; the barrels of lard and lamp oil, the bags of leaves and oily rags, the split logs, bark, and wood shavings. "Again," said Jon, and, "Again," and, "Again." Other longbowmen were firing too, from every tower top in range, some sending their arrows up in high arcs to drop before the Wall. When Jon ran out of fire arrows, he and Satin began to light the torches and fling them from the crenels.

Up above another fire was blooming. The old wooden steps had drunk up oil like a sponge, and Donal Noye had drenched them from the ninth landing all the way down to the seventh. Jon could only hope that most of their own people had staggered up to safety before Noye threw the torches. The black brothers at least had known the plan, but the villagers had not.

Wind and fire did the rest. All Jon had to do was watch. With flames below and flames above, the wildlings had nowhere to go. Some continued upward, and died. Some went downward, and died. Some stayed where they were. They died as well. Many leapt from the steps before they burned, and died from the fall. Twenty-odd Thenns were still huddled together between the fires when the ice cracked from the heat, and the whole lower third of the stair broke off, along with several tons of ice. That was the last that Jon Snow saw of Styr, the Magnar of Thenn. The Wall defends itself, he thought.

(ASOS, Jon VII)

"Must be cold down there," said Noye. "What say we warm them up, lads?" A dozen jars of lamp oil had been lined up on the precipice. Pyp ran down the line with a torch, setting them alight. Owen the Oaf followed, shoving them over the edge one by one. Tongues of pale yellow fire swirled around the jars as they plunged downward. When the last was gone, Grenn kicked loose the chocks on a barrel of pitch and sent it rumbling and rolling over the edge as well. The sounds below changed to shouts and screams, sweet music to their ears.

(ASOS, Jon VIII)

Jon laughed, laughed like a drunk or a madman, and his men laughed with him. The chariots and the racing horsemen on the flanks were well ahead of the center now, he saw. The wildlings had not crossed a third of the half mile, yet their battle line was dissolving. "Load the trebuchet with caltrops," Jon said. "Owen, Kegs, angle the catapults toward the center. Scorpions, load with fire spears and loose at my command." He pointed at the Mole's Town boys. "You, you, and you, stand by with torches."

(ASOS, Jon VIII)

The black arrows hissed downward, like snakes on feathered wings. Jon did not wait to see where they struck. He reached for a second arrow as soon as the first left his bow. "NOTCH. DRAW. LOOSE." As soon as the arrow flew he found another. "NOTCH. DRAW. LOOSE." Again, and then again. Jon shouted for the trebuchet, and heard the creak and heavy thud as a hundred spiked steel caltrops went spinning through the air. "Catapults," he called, "scorpions. Bowmen, loose at will." Wildling arrows were striking the Wall now, a hundred feet below them. A second giant spun and staggered. Notch, draw, loose. A mammoth veered into another beside it, spilling giants on the ground. Notch, draw, loose. The ram was down and done, he saw, the giants who'd pushed it dead or dying. "Fire arrows," he shouted. "I want that ram burning." The screams of wounded mammoths and the booming cries of giants mingled with the drums and pipes to make an awful music, yet still his archers drew and loosed, as if they'd all gone as deaf as dead Dick Follard. They might be the dregs of the order, but they were men of the Night's Watch, or near enough as made no matter. That's why they shall not pass.

(ASOS, Jon VIII)

"Fire," Jon barked. "Grenn, Pyp."

Grenn thrust his bow aside, wrestled a barrel of oil onto its side, and rolled it to the edge of the Wall, where Pyp hammered out the plug that sealed it, stuffed in a twist of cloth, and set it alight with a torch. They shoved it over together. A hundred feet below it struck the Wall and burst, filling the air with shattered staves and burning oil. Grenn was rolling a second barrel to the precipice by then, and Kegs had one as well. Pyp lit them both. "Got him!" Satin shouted, his head sticking out so far that Jon was certain he was about to fall. "Got him, got him, GOT him!" He could hear the roar of fire. A flaming giant lurched into view, stumbling and rolling on the ground.

Then suddenly the mammoths were fleeing, running from the smoke and flames and smashing into those behind them in their terror. Those went backward too, the giants and wildlings behind them scrambling to get out of their way. In half a heartbeat the whole center was collapsing. The horsemen on the flanks saw themselves being abandoned and decided to fall back as well, not one so much as blooded. Even the chariots rumbled off, having done nothing but look fearsome and make a lot of noise. When they break, they break hard, Jon Snow thought as he watched them reel away. The drums had all gone silent. How do you like that music, Mance? How do you like the taste of the Dornishman's wife? "Do we have anyone hurt?" he asked.

(ASOS, Jon VIII)

As for that last lil bit about Dany apparently burning a mother and child "without flinching", that was nicely twisted from a bit of text where Dany is hanging on with all her might for dear life atop Drogon's back with no control over him or the chaotic situation:

The fire burned away my hair, but elsewise it did not touch me. It had been the same in Daznak's Pit. That much she could recall, though much of what followed was a haze. So many people, screaming and shoving. She remembered rearing horses, a food cart spilling melons as it overturned. From below a spear came flying, followed by a flight of crossbow bolts. One passed so close that Dany felt it brush her cheek. Others skittered off Drogon's scales, lodged between them, or tore through the membrane of his wings. She remembered the dragon twisting beneath her, shuddering at the impacts, as she tried desperately to cling to his scaled back. The wounds were smoking. Dany saw one of the bolts burst into sudden flame. Another fell away, shaken loose by the beating of his wings. Below, she saw men whirling, wreathed in flame, hands up in the air as if caught in the throes of some mad dance.** A woman in a green tokar reached for a weeping child, pulling him down into her arms to shield him from the flames.** Dany saw the color vividly, but not the woman's face. People were stepping on her as they lay tangled on the bricks. Some were on fire.

(ADWD, Daenerys X)

And when it comes to killing children, it's not like Jon has any child hostages he thinks he could execute... right? What did Dany do with hers again?

So Jon's violence "is love" but Dany's violence is detestable. Ygritte's violence is detestable. Arya's violence is detestable. Val's violence is detestable. Note how frequently violence is done by Jon in Sansa's name and romanticized by the same fandom who condemns it as disturbing when done by the aforementioned female characters:

If that's not enough, this is taken a step further when Jonsas have Jon committing violence upon Dany for Sansa or in Sansa's name:

.....And this is a big reason why Dany stans and Sansa stans don't get along.

I think it's really quite incredible though. They claim Jon would hate Daenerys because she is a "terrible" person but their theories and their metas transform Jon into a wholly atrocious person. One even acknowledges it here!

So what would his problem be with Dany then...? Jon is not precious over violence, fire, or gender. He's not some fanatical Northern nationalist campaigning for separatism. Nor is Jon a sexist hypocrite who is against women doing violence.

On the contrary, Jon gets hot thinking about Val nearly slicing a guy's throat, arms women under his charge, and utilizes spearwives as one of the Night's Watch defences, specifically barring "blushing maidens looking to be protected":

All the same, the wildling princess was not beloved of her gaolers. She scorned them all as "kneelers," and had thrice attempted to escape. When one man-at-arms grew careless in her presence she had snatched his dagger from its sheath and stabbed him in the neck. Another inch to the left and he might have died.

Lonely and lovely and lethal, Jon Snow reflected, and I might have had her. Her, and Winterfell, and my lord father's name. Instead he had chosen a black cloak and a wall of ice. Instead he had chosen honor. A bastard's sort of honor.

(ADWD, Jon III)

"I will take any boy above the age of twelve who knows how to hold a spear or string a bow. I will take your old men, your wounded, and your cripples, even those who can no longer fight. There are other tasks they may be able to perform. Fletching arrows, milking goats, gathering firewood, mucking out our stables … the work is endless. And yes, I will take your women too. I have no need of blushing maidens looking to be protected, but I will take as many spearwives as will come."

"And girls?" a girl asked. She looked as young as Arya had, the last time Jon had seen her.

(ADWD, Jon V)

"Hardin's Tower." Of the sixty-three who had come back with him from Mole's Town, nineteen had been women and girls. Jon had housed them in the same abandoned tower where he had once slept when he had been new to the Wall. Twelve were spearwives, more than capable of defending both themselves and the younger girls from the unwanted attentions of black brothers. It was some of the men they'd turned away who'd given Hardin's Tower its new, inflammatory name. Jon was not about to condone the mockery. "Three drunken fools mistook Hardin's for a brothel, that's all. They are in the ice cells now, contemplating their mistake."

(ADWD, Jon VII)

I remain doubtful that a resurrected Jon will come back with a newfound... bigotry... acquired from his time with the undead

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jonsa foreshadowing of the day: jon’s nonexistent thoughts of sansa

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why do these people still ship her with jon if they think he's so stupid, dumb and ignorant?

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somebody on twitter posted a ss of a jonsa saying that dany singing dracarys is something deranged and sansa singing to lady is super awesome concluding with “and that’s why she is gonna get killed for the other one” have you seen it? what does it even mean lmaoooo I’m laughing my ass off

I know the screen cap you're talking about! Remember, when it comes to Jon's violence and what Sansa wishes, "violence is love". But when Dany does violence or breathes a bit audibly? She's got to be deceived, exploited, used, betrayed, and put down like a mad crazy dog :( That Jonsa seems to believe Jon is going to kill Dany so he can go on and marry Sansa and it's so evident in all of their... non thoughts about one another?

Taylor and I were discussing this one passage from Jon's chapter:

A dozen jars of lamp oil had been lined up on the precipice. Pyp ran down the line with a torch, setting them alight. Owen the Oaf followed, shoving them over the edge one by one. Tongues of pale yellow fire swirled around the jars as they plunged downward. When the last was gone, Grenn kicked loose the chocks on a barrel of pitch and sent it rumbling and rolling over the edge as well. The sounds below changed to shouts and screams, sweet music to their ears.

(ASOS, Jon VIII)

Just imagine if something like this were in Dany's chapters. Free Jon Snow.

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jonsa foreshadowing of the day: ygritte being a stand-in for sansa

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It's not for nothing...

Jon followed the rest back to the armory, walking alone. He often walked alone here. There were almost twenty in the group he trained with, yet not one he could call a friend. Most were two or three years his senior, yet not one was half the fighter Robb had been at fourteen. Dareon was quick but afraid of being hit. Pyp used his sword like a dagger, Jeren was weak as a girl, Grenn slow and clumsy. Halder's blows were brutally hard but he ran right into your attacks. The more time he spent with them, the more Jon despised them.

(AGOT, Jon III)

"I plan to stop at Winterfell on the way south. If there is any message that you would like me to deliver …"

"Tell Robb that I'm going to command the Night's Watch and keep him safe, so he might as well take up needlework with the girls and have Mikken melt down his sword for horseshoes."

"Your brother is bigger than me," Tyrion said with a laugh. "I decline to deliver any message that might get me killed."

(AGOT, Tyrion III)

"I will take any boy above the age of twelve who knows how to hold a spear or string a bow. I will take your old men, your wounded, and your cripples, even those who can no longer fight. There are other tasks they may be able to perform. Fletching arrows, milking goats, gathering firewood, mucking out our stables … the work is endless. And yes, I will take your women too. I have no need of blushing maidens looking to be protected, but I will take as many spearwives as will come."

“And girls?” a girl asked. She looked as young as Arya had, the last time Jon had seen her.

“Sixteen and older.”

“You’re taking boys as young as twelve.”

Down in the Seven Kingdoms boys of twelve were often pages or squires; many had been training at arms for years. Girls of twelve were children. These are wildlings, though. “As you will. Boys and girls as young as twelve[...]"

(ADWD, Jon V)

The Lord Steward glanced back. “Women too? Our brothers are not accustomed to having women amongst them, my lord. Their vows … there will be fights, rapes …”

“These women have knives and know how to use them.”

“And the first time one of these spearwives slits the throat of one of our brothers, what then?”

“We will have lost a man,” said Jon, “but we have just gained sixty-three. You’re good at counting, my lord. Correct me if I’m wrong, but my reckoning leaves us sixty-two ahead.”

Marsh was unconvinced. “You’ve added sixty-three more mouths, my lord … but how many are fighters, and whose side will they fight on? If it’s the Others at the gates, most like they’ll stand with us, I grant you … but if it’s Tormund Giantsbane or the Weeping Man come calling with ten thousand howling killers, what then?”

“Then we’ll know. So let us hope it never comes to that.”

(ADWD, Jon V)

Yet even that did not appease his Lord Steward. "You say these boys will serve as squires. Surely the lord commander does not mean they will be trained at arms?"

Jon's anger flared. "No, my lord, I mean to set them to sewing lacy smallclothes. Of course they shall be trained at arms. They shall also churn butter, hew firewood, muck stables, empty chamber pots, and run messages … and in between they will be drilled with spear and sword and longbow."

(ADWD, Jon XI)

"I can do more."

Why not? thought Jon. They are all convinced she is a princess. Val looked the part and rode as if she had been born on horseback. A warrior princess, he decided, not some willowy creature who sits up in a tower, brushing her hair and waiting for some knight to rescue her. "I must inform the queen of this agreement," he said. "You are welcome to come meet her, if you can find it in yourself to bend a knee." It would never do to offend Her Grace before he even opened his mouth.

(ADWD, Jon XI)

GRRM: "You know, I don't think it's a reference for that [for romance]. It's a reference to a certain physical type, and a certain indication of what Jon finds admirable. It's like someone who reminds you of, you know... Other people might be put off by this, you know, hair that looks like small rodents have been living in there. It doesn't put him off because he is used to that."

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Lysa had wept lakes the morning of their own wedding, through she had managed to be dry- eyed and radiant when Jon Arryn swept his cream-and-blue cloak over her shoulders.

ASOS, CATELYN VI.

According to jon//sas Catelyn is probably in love with Lysa since she's calling her "radiant".

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arya, ygritte, val, dalla, alys, lyanna mormont, morna the white mask, melisandre, munda, the mother he never knew… there are so many women jon cares about and none of them is sansa. no wonder you people cope like that 🤪

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what are they smoking?

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I really loved Kit dissing “Sanzuh” in the new got app game promo and jonsas took it as him being obsessed with her, like he didn’t disparage her every moment he got during got promo… cannot they accept failure? another example of them taking something straightforward and flipping it backwards. Crack ship of the century truly!

Go here to see the video interview anon is talking about :)

Flashbacks to when Kit Harington called the concept of Jonsa "weird" and Jonsas did backflips to deny it :) :) :)

They even go so low as to fabricate & spread rumours about the girls who won the Q&A with Kit Harington.

And do not forget, even book!Jon is "lying to himself" when he does not think of Sansa.

You know what else is a treat? They go and say stuff like this:

...all the while shipping Jon with Sansa... And in the next breath, talk about how Kit Harington's "love" for Sansa is expressed through "bullying":

(But remember, Dany is the real bully and tyrant) Hm.

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my fave thing about ‘jonnel and sansa’ jonsa crack theory is how that sansa never had children and died and jonnel married another woman while sansa’s sister serena married JON umber and EDRIC stark 🤭 i don’t think this delusion you’ve created is positive for you, birdies, not that it’s even a thing in the first place