jeanniebug623

[jeanniebug623]

Stop, they are SO cute! 💜💜💜

Artfight Artwork! OC Edgar Lopez from DanynotDevito with my OC Quinn💜🥰@danynotdevito

I love them so much coz they are so cute q.q

[jeanniebug623]

are you gonna continue with wild son??

Yes, yes, yes! I am absolutely continuing Wild Son, it has not been abandoned! I’ve started the next chapter but life be lifin’ hard these days. I’m sorry for the delay, I promise I am working on it. 🤗 I love punk rock Paz, I’m far from done with that story! And I can’t wait to bring in Spider! 🕷️💙

I’m also about halfway through the next chapter of Weaving the Web! 🕸️🕸️🕸️

[jeanniebug623]

I thought the lore was it took six years for an avatar to grow, but I could be wrong or that could change for whatever reason…it’s sci-fi, they can do what they want. 🤔

I totally agree it would be temptation for Spider and a grand gesture from dear old dad to give baby boy what he’s always wanted. Quaritch has lost a lot of favor with the RDA after the SeaDragon incident. The RDA harvests resources and Spider has proven to not be a great resource. To Quaritch, Spider is worth everything. Creating an avatar for his son, who is known to support the Na’vi and actively helped turn the tide of the sea battle (no pun intended lol), would be dangerous for the RDA. Granted, his human body would be with the RDA so it’s a short leash. But I feel Spider’s loyalty lies with Kiri and the Na’vi and he would take the threats, and consequences, to his human body.

If Quaritch does present him with an avatar, I want Spider to say no. I want him to accept himself and the message would be awesome. 💙 So many awkward misfit teenagers growing into their own and accepting who they are? I would love that for Spider to tell his dad that he’s fine the way he is and he won’t be bought or sell his soul. 🥰🕷️💙

There are a lot of similarities between these two shots - from the room set up to the way Spider holds himself refusing to looks at Quaritch. But there are also a lot of differences - from the way Quaritch is presented (he doesn't loom over Spider in the second picture) to the setting itself.

@jeanniebug623 noticed Quaritch is sitting on something covered in material this time and this BTS shot of Cameron shows what it is - an examination bed. This is an examination room. There is actually some kind of lab set behind that window.

It may even be this lab below. I've seen it called lab in Bridgehead but it wasn't anything official so it can still be on the Factory Ship. I would expect Bridgehead to have bigger examination rooms. And that curvature. No need to do that in Bridgehead.

I've also seen this set be called Bridgehead lab but those are clearly the High Camp lab we saw in A2.

It's the same as in these A2 screenshots below

There is way more clutter here, especially around the tank and there are no thick pillars like you see behind the tank in the earlier photos. So the avatar tank Spider is looking at is unlikely to be here.

Especially, that is looks like they will clear some of this space to put a separate room inside the lab where they'll have Pandoran atmosphere. This photo shows JDM in the mask in a room inside the room that we know had Earth's air before. I bet they built that to examine Spider after he gets the upgrade. They try to figure out what's up with him.

I think this is where Spider is when Jake and Neytiri have their conversation about him.

What's interesting is that Spider would be in Pandora's air when in this lab but when we see him captured by RDA he doesn't need a rebreather with CO2.

He doesn't have it when he lands back in the NeuroSect room. It seems like Quaritch is with him and they are not staying the time.

Those white lights are on the side of the thing itself as we saw in A2.

Spider certainly doesn't have it in the A3 still they released but Quaritch does so they are in Earth's atmosphere.

Maybe Spider will actually get the upper hand even over the Na'vi with his new gift and is able to function in both atmospheres without any issues. This would make sense with the symbiont theory as it would probably be less sensitive to low CO2 than something complicated like a full Na'vi.

There is one more thing but it is pure speculation on my part. All I have is a guess but it is very spoilery of true.

It is possible that these photos with Spider looking into avatar tank and lying in it are in the same lab we see behind the window in the Empire Magazine still. It has thick pillars behind it that look very current RDA architecture and nothing like the thin supports of the High Camp lab.

People always said this is just BTS and Jack and JC are just playing with props but now I wonder that maybe Quaritch will actually be offering Spider and avatar. We don't know how long it actually takes to grow and avatar so it maight be possible in the few months Quaritch and Spider are apart.

On one hand it would just be Quaritch going back to his old ways. He has tendency to find what the other person wants the most and buy their loyalty this waay. For Jake it was his legs back. For Spider it would, of course, be something he wanted basically his whole life. Even now with his gift there are things that would be easier if he had Na'vi physiolgy and size.

Spider migh have to chose between trying to keep running from RDA for the forseeiable future as they want to have his gift for themselves. Or he can have what he always wanted but he would have to stay with Quaritch and abandon his friends.

On the other hand Quaritch is probably completely genuine with this gift and just wanting to give his kid all he ever wanted. No intention to ask him to change or betray anyone.

And yet this is still a manipulation because he's finding a way to get what he wants and keep Spider with him. And he puts Spider in complete turmoil. But then what's a deal with the devil if it's not truely tempting?

Maybe this is why Quaritch looks so pleading and excited in that still. Maybe that's why Spider is not happy at all.

[jeanniebug623]

Oh, wow! I never noticed the examination room BTS with James Cameron in all the times I’ve looked at BTS still. So cool to see speculation come full circle.

And I always had a hard time with Spider being offered an avatar cone to fruition. The time it takes to create one - is Spider just going to hang out with the RDA while it grows? I know Quaritch would want that, but that would heavily rely on Spider giving in to the RDA. They wouldn’t create an avatar for a POW. I find it hard to believe Spider would actually side either the RDA in the long run, but the future films with answer that.

As you mentioned, Spider’s upgrade gives him some advantages that humans and Na’vi don’t have. It made me think of this BTS:

I wondered if this was Jake’s ultimate escape from capture since he’s not decked out for battle. The only jewelry he’s wearing is his necklace with the river stones from a time with Neytiri from the first movie. No armbands, no weapons, etc.

That looks like Spider in the background in a uniform. If he managed to slip away from Quaritch’s gaze, could he have been able to help Jake escape in a disguise?

Ugh, so many theories!

There are a lot of similarities between these two shots - from the room set up to the way Spider holds himself refusing to looks at Quaritch. But there are also a lot of differences - from the way Quaritch is presented (he doesn't loom over Spider in the second picture) to the setting itself.

@jeanniebug623 noticed Quaritch is sitting on something covered in material this time and this BTS shot of Cameron shows what it is - an examination bed. This is an examination room. There is actually some kind of lab set behind that window.

It may even be this lab below. I've seen it called lab in Bridgehead but it wasn't anything official so it can still be on the Factory Ship. I would expect Bridgehead to have bigger examination rooms. And that curvature. No need to do that in Bridgehead.

I've also seen this set be called Bridgehead lab but those are clearly the High Camp lab we saw in A2.

It's the same as in these A2 screenshots below

There is way more clutter here, especially around the tank and there are no thick pillars like you see behind the tank in the earlier photos. So the avatar tank Spider is looking at is unlikely to be here.

Especially, that is looks like they will clear some of this space to put a separate room inside the lab where they'll have Pandoran atmosphere. This photo shows JDM in the mask in a room inside the room that we know had Earth's air before. I bet they built that to examine Spider after he gets the upgrade. They try to figure out what's up with him.

I think this is where Spider is when Jake and Neytiri have their conversation about him.

What's interesting is that Spider would be in Pandora's air when in this lab but when we see him captured by RDA he doesn't need a rebreather with CO2.

He doesn't have it when he lands back in the NeuroSect room. It seems like Quaritch is with him and they are not staying the time.

Those white lights are on the side of the thing itself as we saw in A2.

Spider certainly doesn't have it in the A3 still they released but Quaritch does so they are in Earth's atmosphere.

Maybe Spider will actually get the upper hand even over the Na'vi with his new gift and is able to function in both atmospheres without any issues. This would make sense with the symbiont theory as it would probably be less sensitive to low CO2 than something complicated like a full Na'vi.

There is one more thing but it is pure speculation on my part. All I have is a guess but it is very spoilery of true.

It is possible that these photos with Spider looking into avatar tank and lying in it are in the same lab we see behind the window in the Empire Magazine still. It has thick pillars behind it that look very current RDA architecture and nothing like the thin supports of the High Camp lab.

People always said this is just BTS and Jack and JC are just playing with props but now I wonder that maybe Quaritch will actually be offering Spider and avatar. We don't know how long it actually takes to grow and avatar so it maight be possible in the few months Quaritch and Spider are apart.

On one hand it would just be Quaritch going back to his old ways. He has tendency to find what the other person wants the most and buy their loyalty this waay. For Jake it was his legs back. For Spider it would, of course, be something he wanted basically his whole life. Even now with his gift there are things that would be easier if he had Na'vi physiolgy and size.

Spider migh have to chose between trying to keep running from RDA for the forseeiable future as they want to have his gift for themselves. Or he can have what he always wanted but he would have to stay with Quaritch and abandon his friends.

On the other hand Quaritch is probably completely genuine with this gift and just wanting to give his kid all he ever wanted. No intention to ask him to change or betray anyone.

And yet this is still a manipulation because he's finding a way to get what he wants and keep Spider with him. And he puts Spider in complete turmoil. But then what's a deal with the devil if it's not truely tempting?

Maybe this is why Quaritch looks so pleading and excited in that still. Maybe that's why Spider is not happy at all.

[jeanniebug623]

To help my ADD brain, I’ve been jumping around projects of drawing and writing to get the juices flowing again. 🤗

In the midst of it came this crazy lady inspired by @signfromeywa’s metahuman and hybrid Avatar characters. I don’t think I’ll write stories for her aside from a backstory since I LOVE creating OCs, but Ragdoll was a lot of fun to create. 💜

I do have a big illustration of Spider and Rey’akina in the works from SAS... 🕷️💙✨

Thank you so much for the inspiration, @signfromeywa, and the help creating Ragdoll! I’ll tell more about her story as time goes on.

Ragdoll is a recom metahuman hybrid created for the Scout Project with goals of forming a unit of unique soldiers for reconnaissance missions behind enemy lines. While she would easily stand out among Na’vi or human due to appearances, Ragdoll needs to be found first. Her physical biology was designed to allow maximum flexibility and contortion of all major and minor joints. Her bones are softer than the average Na’vi hybrid or recom, allowing for cartilage-like give to sudden or crushing impact. Ragdoll retains the prehensile tail structure of the unknown Na’vi clan with who her non-human DNA was harvested and acts like an additional limb.

[jeanniebug623]

Aww, Ava is such a sweetheart. 💕

Thank you, that does fill in the gap! 😊💙🕷️

So, we all know how close Ava and Quaritch are… 😏🤭

But how do Ava and Spider get along? 🕷️💙🙂

During the mission where Quaritch and the Recoms first meet the children in the forest, Ava was immediately the one who tried to calm the children down, and in my version, she forbade the Recoms from being too rough with them.

From the moment Spider became part of the squat, Ava began to build a relationship with him. She was there for him, mothered him and treated him gently and lovingly. He felt safe with her.

Later, when Ava and the Recoms (in my AU) leave the RDA, she immediately offers Spider that he's welcome anytime, but she also gives the boy the freedom to return to the Sullys, which he initially does.

Later, however, when she gives birth to her and Quaritchs daughter, she introduces Spider to his little half-sister, and he immediately falls in love with the little girl. She even set up a room for the boy that he can move into at any time. From then on, Spider wants to live with Ava and Quaritch so he can spend more time with his half-sister.

Ava has fully accepted Spider as her son. Although she told him she can't and doesn't want to replace his biological mother, she will always love him as her son, as part of her little family. Spider loves Ava because from the very first second, she was nothing but kind and gentle and immediately integrated him into the family.

My goodness xD I really have to write the fanfiction XDDD Everything is planned out and I already have the storyboard finished.

I hoped it answered the question XDD

[jeanniebug623]

Haha, the hoodie is now iconic fashion! Poor Spider but damn, it does look cozy! 😂

Click for better quality!

Spider didn't listen when Quaritch told him to put some clothes on before they went to the lab...

[jeanniebug623]

Omg, what a poor angsty cutie Spider is in your AU! 🕷️🩵 Can’t wait to see her story!

Just spider thoughts

My poor poor child

Ikr?

WIP!

This poor child is gonna struggle in my AU a ton. 😈

In my Genderswapped!AU Spider is a clone of Quaritch.

[jeanniebug623]

Dang it, I had another thought! LOL

I would love this scene to be Quaritch OFFERING Spider an avatar body in exchange for aiding and being loyal to the RDA…and Spider says no!

Like, it seems clear that’s everything this poor kid would want, but he takes the high ground and won’t be bought in exchange for shattering his moral compass! That he’s fine JUST the way he is! Spending his whole life trying to fit in only to realize he doesn’t need to. 💙🕷️🩵🕷️💙

Spider isn't getting a "redemption arc" in Avatar 3

Whenever I see Avatar fans talk about their predictions for Spider in Avatar 3, I keep noticing this idea popping up again and again. There seems to be this expectation that there'll be a nasty fall out with the Sully family after they learn he saved Quaritch, possibly even exile or an attempt to kill Spider, and then Spider is going to have some kind of dramatic "redemption arc" to win back their trust, if he's able to get it back at all. Now, I don't think this scenario is completely outside the realm of possibility, BUT at the same time, I have this gut feeling its not gonna happen at all.

Avatar has an interesting track record with handling betrayal and forgiveness. Most notably, in Avatar 1 there's the whole plot point of Jake actively helping Quaritch plan the na'vi equivalent of 9/11, and then after the truth comes out, the na'vi are angry with him, but Mo'at still shows him mercy and gives him a chance to escape hometree, and after he bonds with the toruk pretty much everything is forgiven. No discussion about it, no questions asked, just forgiveness. This pattern happens again with a character from the videogame, Teylan. Teylan gave the location of the resistance HQ to the main antagonist and got a lot of resistance members killed. Despite this, he's forgiven pretty much immediately.

To be clear, I'm not trying to argue whether or not Jake or Teylan deserved to be forgiven so easily (that could be its own separate discussion post!), I'm just pointing out that Avatar has a pattern of easily forgiving characters whose actions caused people to die, and Spider's worst crime is saving a life, not taking one.

All this is to say that I don't think Spider is getting a "redemption arc." This idea I keep seeing thrown around where Spider gets cast out of the family and has to do something big to "earn" his way back into everyone's good graces feels like it won't happen. He's going to follow in the same pattern as Jake and Teylan, where his action is discovered, everybody's upset for a bit, but then the plot happens and they just forgive him and move on without really addressing it. Partly because they're straight up not gonna have the time to properly address it. We already know there's a whole bunch of new characters, plot points, and world building that needs to get introduced and fleshed out in Avatar 3. They're gonna skip all the emotional processing that would come with the discovery and jump to everyone forgiving him so they can advance the plot.

If my gut feeling turns out to be true, I'll be a little disappointed ngl. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those folks who believes Spider should be "punished" for saving Quaritch, but I also understand the Sully family, especially Neytiri, are gonna feel betrayed by his action. I wish the movie would take the time to address how they all feel about it, but I can't ignore my gut feeling that it's gonna be resolved just like Jake's betrayal with an "I see you" moment and no hard feelings. But this is just me speculating, so maybe I'll be wrong, who knows. What do y'all think?

[jeanniebug623]

Snippet for the next chapter of Weaving the Web. Hoping to have it done by Wednesday!

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Per his best guess, the scrap moved from the living room to the kitchen after that.  Whoever was in the lead was heading straight for the butcher block.  Self-defense, obviously.  But they didn’t make it.  Someone took a hell of a hit to something based on the chipped locally sourced stone countertop.  Quaritch never really noticed how Earth-like they were trying to make the city’s housing units.  He didn’t remember any of these commodities from his first life.  It was just barracks and labs.  Nothing more. 

[jeanniebug623]

To add onto this, Spider doesn’t have the traditional “betrayal” moment like Jake and Teylan. He wasn’t accepted by anyone before, not fully. Aside from Kiri, Lo’ak, and Tuk based of the comics and first part of A2. So there aren’t many people who remember the unconditional love from before the mistake to fall back on. I absolutely agree there’s not going to be enough time to fully flesh out a ‘Spider saved Quaritch and the Sullys are shocked’ plot with the emotional depth it needs. (Guess that’s what fanfics are for! 😆)

Like @cyren-myadd mentioned, Spider saved a life. He didn’t take one. To make this seem like the worst sin ever would be unjust to the theological lore of the franchise. Spider’s non-traditional backstory (compared to other screw ups and outcasts) is that he’s always had blame on him. Yes, he had friends and people care for him but he got the short end of the stick his whole life just for being born. He didn’t do anything to Neytiri, but he bares the brunt of her human hatred. Not invalidating Neytiri’s trauma! But Spider didn’t directly cause it…it makes me think of the scene in the High Ground comic where she says they’ll “wait for him to sin” when Jake tries to say he shouldn’t inherit the sins of Quaritch.

Like @nilnether said, Spider needs to be treated the same as the kids and other forgiven characters, but never has been and MAY be in A3. But for Jake’s coming to Eywa moment. Spider might be more of a conduit to move Jake’s and Quaritch’s individual and joint storylines forward. He never had unconditional love from a parental or authority figure before so it seems easy for some people to just keep blaming him because it was only a matter of time before he “screwed up”.

While I do think Spider has a huge storyline to unfold if all these leaked scripts are true, I don’t know if A3 is where we’ll see it unfold. 💙🕷️💙

Spider isn't getting a "redemption arc" in Avatar 3

Whenever I see Avatar fans talk about their predictions for Spider in Avatar 3, I keep noticing this idea popping up again and again. There seems to be this expectation that there'll be a nasty fall out with the Sully family after they learn he saved Quaritch, possibly even exile or an attempt to kill Spider, and then Spider is going to have some kind of dramatic "redemption arc" to win back their trust, if he's able to get it back at all. Now, I don't think this scenario is completely outside the realm of possibility, BUT at the same time, I have this gut feeling its not gonna happen at all.

Avatar has an interesting track record with handling betrayal and forgiveness. Most notably, in Avatar 1 there's the whole plot point of Jake actively helping Quaritch plan the na'vi equivalent of 9/11, and then after the truth comes out, the na'vi are angry with him, but Mo'at still shows him mercy and gives him a chance to escape hometree, and after he bonds with the toruk pretty much everything is forgiven. No discussion about it, no questions asked, just forgiveness. This pattern happens again with a character from the videogame, Teylan. Teylan gave the location of the resistance HQ to the main antagonist and got a lot of resistance members killed. Despite this, he's forgiven pretty much immediately.

To be clear, I'm not trying to argue whether or not Jake or Teylan deserved to be forgiven so easily (that could be its own separate discussion post!), I'm just pointing out that Avatar has a pattern of easily forgiving characters whose actions caused people to die, and Spider's worst crime is saving a life, not taking one.

All this is to say that I don't think Spider is getting a "redemption arc." This idea I keep seeing thrown around where Spider gets cast out of the family and has to do something big to "earn" his way back into everyone's good graces feels like it won't happen. He's going to follow in the same pattern as Jake and Teylan, where his action is discovered, everybody's upset for a bit, but then the plot happens and they just forgive him and move on without really addressing it. Partly because they're straight up not gonna have the time to properly address it. We already know there's a whole bunch of new characters, plot points, and world building that needs to get introduced and fleshed out in Avatar 3. They're gonna skip all the emotional processing that would come with the discovery and jump to everyone forgiving him so they can advance the plot.

If my gut feeling turns out to be true, I'll be a little disappointed ngl. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those folks who believes Spider should be "punished" for saving Quaritch, but I also understand the Sully family, especially Neytiri, are gonna feel betrayed by his action. I wish the movie would take the time to address how they all feel about it, but I can't ignore my gut feeling that it's gonna be resolved just like Jake's betrayal with an "I see you" moment and no hard feelings. But this is just me speculating, so maybe I'll be wrong, who knows. What do y'all think?

[jeanniebug623]

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QUARITCH WEARING A HOODIE I REPEAT WE GOT QUARITCH WEARING A HOODIE

Also Spider with a tan? SCREAMING

Source

[jeanniebug623]

I’m sure I’m not the first but, yeesss!!!!

[jeanniebug623]

Readers of SAS! 🕷️💙✨ I’m curious and have a question for you!

Which recom do you think had the most growth throughout the story? Not necessarily switching sides, just vastly different from their beginning selves?

I’ll post my answer after the poll ends. 🐞🩵

[jeanniebug623]

This went in directions I couldn’t predict. 😂

Inspired by @signfromeywa’s metahuman and hybrid characters, I created my own OC for fun! Check out their blog for the real story behind these awesome character inspirations!

I will create a character sheet for her in the near future. Her body was created with human and Na’vi DNA. The Na’vi part is from a fan clan I’ve been working on. 💜

Project Ragdoll: higher flexibility and agility, able to contort every joint, softer bones with increased cartilage to allow further contortion

Rank: Scout - difficult to capture and contain

[jeanniebug623]

Yesterday was my birthday and I spent almost all day by myself just chilling, watching movies, and doodling this to break my dry spell. The brain wants to read and write and draw…until I start, it seems. Hoping this gives me the inspiration I need! 💙🩵💙

I may revisit this and finish the background someday… 😂

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[jeanniebug623]

Too freakin’ cute! 🥰 💙

Little doodle I did with Tsu'tey and Spider 🥰💜 No Spider doesn't get warpaint. Tsu'tey paints him an animal shape on his face, it is still a progress xD Spider is a child, he would never war paint him!