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Serious question here: As succinctly as possible, please explain how antizionism is antisemitism, and how Zionism is not a settler colonial project.

In Short:

Zionism cannot be settler colonialism because it is, by definition, decolonization of the Jewish People's (aka the People of Israel's) native lands by its indigenous inhabitants. Inverting the reality of this is bigoted against Jews. Denying Jews their self-determination in their native lands is hateful against Jews. Turning us over to people who openly aim to genocide the Jews is hateful against Jews. Acting like you can separate a core tenant of Judaism that 90% of ethnic Jews agree with, from Judaism and its people, is pretty twisted and hateful against Jews.

But yeah I don't believe in oversimplifying things so... I will expand on this.

In Medium:

Zionism is a belief that Jews should have a nation and self-determination in our indigenous land where all ethnic Jews originally come from. Zionism succeeded in it's goals and currently Israel which currently houses half the world's Jews, most of whom are Holocaust and MENA (Middle East and North Africa)-region refugees and their descendents displaced from genocide and ethnic cleansing to the one place that would accept them. There is a little over 14 million Jews in the whole world and a little over 7 million of them live in Israel.

Antizionism is the belief that half the world's Jews, those 7 million Jews, can go fuck themselves, and their self detetermination. That they can, or should be genocided by their neighbors who have already shed their countries of their Jews, and that they would deserve it, too. That the world's most persecuted group of people have no right to self determination in oir native land, and the children of those who colonized our native land have all the right to self determination in our native land.

That is fucked, and antisemitic.

In Long:

Let's look at the history of Jews.

The Hebrew people who would later be called Israelites and then Jews were by all genetic and archeological accounts, descended and derived from Cannanites and split off to form a distinct culture in the land around 3700 years ago, eventually gaining control of the land somewhat approximating Israel's current borders.

Zionism is defined as the belief that Jews, who have been the most persecuted group in human history, deserve a right to self-determination in a nation in our indigenous land that we came from. Zionism is an old movement found as far back as the Old Testament from Jews who were exiled by Babylonian colonialists from Israel to what is now Iraq in years 597-538 BCE, after which most of the Jews were returned to Israel by Cyrus the Great of Persia. Later Romans would conquer what was by then known just as the Kingdom of Judea, and after a failed revolt in 135 CE they slaughtered 1 million Jews and sent most of the rest of us on slave ships and caravans around the Mediterranean and Middle East, bringing us far out into the world.

They renamed the land Syria Palaestinia, after the Philistines, which translates to INVADERS, who were a likely Phoenecian people who invaded the coast by sea and lived in oddy enough Gaza and that area and warred against the Israelites in Old Testament times and were eventually lost to history as a group 1000 years before Romans arrived.

From then we have yearned for our return. The idea of return to Israel is in our prayerbooks, mentioned as the closing of the passover Seder every year with a "Next Year In Jerusalem!", it is in our religious laws, and many commandments of our religion can only be carrid out in the land of Israel. Our holidays are organized around the agricultural calendar of the Levant with its dry and wet seasons instead of four seasons. In the late 1800s this movement of return to our homeland gained actual political traction in the world for the first time, and meanwhile Jews were returning to Ottoman (read: foreign imperial colonialists) Palestine and Jews were buying land (read: decolonizing) from the Ottoman Empire, and building things like small agraryan communes and even Tel Aviv was built on such a purchase not far from the ancient city of Yafo. Ottomans had ruled for 400 years before their downfall and Jews were Dhimmis, second-class citizens. We decolonized more of our land, and eventually the British took over and mucked about, and then in 1947 the UN votes Yes to a partition plan that would separate the land between the Jews and the children of our colonizers, and Israel agreed to this and Palestine did not. Israel decided fuck that we want independence and declared it with no particular borders established in this declaration. The same day, Egyptian tanks were rolling through Gaza into Israel, and a metric fuck ton of Arab nations join in and invade via Gaza and West Bank, and joined with Palestinian fighters, with the intention to "Drive the Jews into the Sea" and thus there was a war.

The Arabs lost this war they started badly enough that they now call it "The Catastrophe", and were pushed out to 1948 borders which left Palestinians with less land than they would have had if they peacefully split it with us by the Partition Plan.

This nation that the Jews yearned so hard for, for 2000 years straight, became Israel and it has existed as the singular Jewish country for over three quarters of a century now. We successfully decolonized and now have self-autonomy of our native land. Half of us live there. And those who are not Jews who are in our borders? Equal rights, equal everything. 1.6 million Palestinians living peacefully with Jews. 2 million Muslims living peacefully with Jews. Nowhere else in the region. You want to take that away (how? And then what? You saw what happened on Oct 7 and either stayed silent or cheered) and then say you don't hate me and my people? Be real.

Because what would happen if Israel goes away is just more of this:

...but without an army to protect us.

I don't know that every part of Israel's decolonization process has been pretty, or optimal, or free of human suffering. I do not agree with how Netanyahu's government does things, and especially with regards to the West Bank which was (unlike Gaza really to my knowledge) part of our former native territory and we should back off it because just as 7 million Jews aren't going anywhere, neither are the Palestinians, so they should also have autonomy over some of this land. It's not their fault they are the children of Judea's colonizers over the millenia. They have nowhere else to go.

Zionism says nothing at all about what to do with the children of our colonizers, especially when they keep trying so hard to kill us all the time. There's a range of opinions on that, but Zionism itself says nothing about it.

I'd like to say that our decolonization was done without bloodshed. But as I am frequently reminded by the "antizionist" crowd, "decolonization is violent".

Maybe it is. Didn't have to be. Didn't start off that way. Didn't have to do the Hebron massacre of 1927. Didn't have to try to drive the Jews into the Sea all those times and lose creating a refugee crisis. Didn't have to lob rockets at us for decades. Didn't have to do October 7th. Zionism won already, half the world's Jews are in our native lands enjoying our self-determination, and we have an army to defend the Jews now, and if anyone tries to kill us, it will always be their mistake every time. We aren't perfect human beings, but we are human beings, and we deserve self-determination as all peoples do, even if we don't do it exactly the way you want all the time.

Zionism is about Israel as a Jewish Nation existing, and ultimately not so much about what the State of Israel as a political entity does...those things are something else, and support of them or not supporting those things have little or nothing to do with what Zionism is, which is why 90% of Jews are Zionist despite a broader variety of opinions on Israeli politics or Israeli-palestinian geopolitics. The common thread is Jews should have a country in our native homeland.

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Jewish culture is having goyim keep comparing us to goblins when Tolkien himself . Father of modern fantasy. Based the dwarfs after our people in one of the most loving depictions and analogy to jewish folklore in history. Especially by a non-jew. A proud and strong people. Mastercraft of our crafts. Loyal. Resilient. Our homeland taken from us to be reclaimed. Our relics plundered. Yet they (we) stand strong on our path to reclaim both. And everyone else can (and I quote dain ironfoot) "JUST SOD OFF"

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Seriously, how many more times do people have to keeping using the word Jew before everyone realizes they really do mean Jew?

"I'm sure they don't mean Jews-"

Yes, they do, that's why they're literally saying it.

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you mean hamas. israel isnt the one killing jews and swearing to eradicate jews off the face of the world

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Montreal, Canada, November 21 2024. "antizionist not antisemite" in keffiyeh throws up Nazi salute at nearby Bring Them Home protestors.

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Dara Horn, ladies and gents.

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Would you keep me in your closet?

When they tell you that we're the murderers of Christ, blasphemous heretics, who poison the wells and eat christian babies, would you still keep me in your closet?

When they tell you we're of an infirior race, that our presence destroys culture, that we backstabbed your country, that having kids with us will leave them with the same flaws, that we are inherently and unchanginly evil, and that killing us is a mercy, would you still keep me in your closet?

When they tell you we're overlords of a secret society, secret cosmopolitiains of the deep state, controlling the media and the economy for our benefit, leaching on the work of good, hard working people, would you still keep me in your closet?

When they tell you we're white supremacists, fanatic nationals, colonizers, explotators, slave owners, oppressors, occupiers, starving, ethnically cleansing, genociding, harvesting organs off of Arab children...

Today, when they knock on your door and ask politely if you happen to hide me in your house or basement, whatever they may call me, whatever excuse they came with

Would you keep me safe in your closet?

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The Holocaust reversals are never ever ever NOT antisemitic.

Did the Jews instigate the Holocaust by killing civilians and taking hostages? Did the Jewish population grow in Europe in 1945 (like how Gaza's population has grown in the past year)? Did the Nazis give the Jews leaflets and phone calls warning them before bombings?

And if you deny Jewish indigeneity to the Levant then you are a million years too early on knowing anything about the Holocaust.

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Did not expect this post to take off the way it did.

But LOL to leftists saying this is a right wing problem. That thought is the problem.

Antisemitism is just as much of an issue on the left as it is on the right. It is is the perfect example of the horseshoe theory, ie. the theory that when progressive beliefs and conservative beliefs both go to extremes, their platforms and beliefs become the same.

I need progressives to look in the mirror. Your “Free Palestine” woke shmegegge is antisemitic. Your “I don’t hate Jews, I just hate Israel” is antisemitic. Your “Israel is an apartheid state” is antisemitic. BDS is antisemitic. Nazis and fascists and white supremacists are absolutely antisemitic but so are most of you and you have no idea because you’re too busy deflecting blame to the right.

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Someone needs to let all the Tumblr antisemites antizionists know that Ismail Haniyeh is never going to take them to prom or reblog their fanart

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Thank you for being the only Jew to stand up to juju. She is antisemitic and jumblr kisses her ass all the time.

the only jew? that disappointing. the hamas mind virus runs rampant

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Look. I can maybe understand the people saying that Israel is doing wrong in Gaza right now. I can possibly get why you think that. I don't agree, and I never will, but I can begin to understand.

However. I can never, and will never understand the people defending October 7. The people saying that the hostages deserve it. That Israel deserves it.

Did the 1200 people killed on October 7 deserve to die? Did the babies deserve to be burnt or beheaded? Did the parents deserve to watch their children killed in front of them? Did the children deserve to watch their parents murdered? Did the women deserve to be raped, killed, and raped again? Did the hostages deserve to be taken from their families?

You're allowed to hate us. You're allowed to disagree with what we do. But don't you dare pretend that you're defending innocent people. Don't you dare act like it wasn't innocents who were hurt.

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hot take: i dont care that evangelicals want us to die

theyre delusional and think us having a homeland will make their prophecy come true. weve had this homeland for 3/4 century and no rapture. they may hate us but they act in our interest, unlike the pro pali antisemites