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[hswarm]

I’m not saying it was wrong to make this post because even I, myself, considered posting names of who I knew were in the discord because clearly nobody else is willing to admit their wrong doing but my problem with this is the fact that OP isn’t willing to share who they are but is outing the other members.

If OP was in the discord as well to obtain these screenshots they are just as guilty as everyone on this list. I openly admitted my own wrong doings, apologizes and stated who I was/am. There is nothing to save any of us from backlash and punishment for what we said/didn’t say and allowed to happen.

I do not think it is right to excuse yourself simply because you are outing everyone else. You are still just as at fault as the rest of us. Plus a few of the people on this list have dm’d me personally sharing their remorse and regret for what happened and how at the time they couldn’t see the situation as it was.

It’s very easy to get swept up by a group of dominant personalities especially when you are someone who is desperate to fit in/make friends. No, this does not excuse the behavior/allowance of such hateful and ignorant conversations but labeling everyone as the same as Simvicii and Oliveandoak is downplaying the actual issues/problems that they have caused.

These girls did not only bully and harass people on tumblr but people within their own discord as well. It is very easy to become compliant when you are afraid of what may happen to you if you speak out against someone. As you can tell in some of the screenshots where a few members actually called Oliveandoak out she was very dismissive towards them and unwilling to listen.

That very situation happened to me several times and she became cold towards me and they slowly started acting dismissive towards me. It is very hard to speak against someone you consider a friend because you fear they will hate you/lash out at you. Especially when it’s someone like Oliveandoak. She openly admitted to sending hate while I was in the discord and that terrified me.

It just genuinely does not sit well with me seeing people paint everyone inside the discord in the same light as Simvicii and Oliveandoak because it was not the same situation. Those two girls openly and willingly were rude, hateful, prejudice, and harassed others for their own gratification and enjoyment. A lot of us were manipulated by them into believing how they believe and speaking how they speak, etc. A lot of us were complicate out of fear. That is not the same as openly doing these things because we enjoyed it.

You have not allowed anyone to give their side of things before jumping down their throats and sending death threats to them. That is extremely unacceptable. No matter what they said/did it is never okay to send someone death threats or hate mail. That doesn’t make you any different from the people you’re attempting to condemn. Please address that.

Volcano-Pasta/Babs specifically dm’d me after seeing my post and how I was open about what happened and they have now left tumblr because you guys harassed them without understanding their side. I’m including the messages I got from them so you can see how they felt. Again, no this does not excuse the things they have said/done but it makes it a little easier to understand why. So many of you question why we let it happen, how we stayed around toxic people, and why didn’t we say anything. We were scared, manipulated and many didn’t actually understand the situation as it was.

 volcano-pasta-deactivated202010: I hope you’re well!! I’m going through a crazy recovery process from that discord. Unraveling all the bs that happened and realizing I was getting bullied at the age of 24. I’ve been shocked & sick to my stomach. I was so shocked to read your statement. Confused when she took the credit of your sim. You are so talented and then she claimed the gd sim?? I thought you 2 were close and then I saw that happen. All the toxicity & bullying was so insane...... I can’t believe I was involved.Sorry if that was a mess. It’s been a wild week for me  

hswarm: Babs! Hi! I’m sorry you had to go through everything. Did they bully you after I left?? The whole situation was messed up. They would keep me around for convenience but never actually acknowledge me as a friend. Idk why I stayed as long as I did.   And yeah I was really hurt over my sim. She only removed credits after I left discord as if it was like “We aren’t friends so I’m gonna fuck you over now.” & Then gave me some bs when I confronted her about it. Supposedly some people actually confronted her about it too and she said smth like she changed so much she didn’t have to credit me and lied saying I said it was fine? Like??? Idk.  That whole discord was a mess and I’m glad I left when I did. I hope you left soon after and I’m sorry you went through everything with them.  

volcano-pasta-deactivated202010: My experience makes me a little sick because I didn’t get a ton of bullying ... just the typical mostly ignored once I wasn’t as popular as them. But, I witnessed so much bs and allowed it to happen. In the moment - I never felt like bringing it to tumblr because I didn’t want to stir things. Now I see in hindsight that I should have said things to stand up for people / bring light to the situation. That discord WAS a mess. It was gross - just a way to gain popularity and tear people down on their way up. I remember her saying that “actually, I made a copy of her sim and changed some features so I made her now” and I was like .... w h a t??? That doesn’t work like that. Also, I thought y’all were friends at that point so I was confused. Also, she & meg talked a ton of shit about others copying THEM and then she just... CLAIMED your sim. ALSO she complained about simnosa changing her sims genetics then she did it to your sim (apparently) and claimed she would do it to sims she accepted into her bc. Gross

I am all for holding everyone accountable for their actions but we have to remember to hold ourselves accountable as well and also consider all sides of the story because you never know what went on behind closed doors. You’re all getting the easy side of things but so much more went on for each individual and solely basing your opinions on what one user says is not always the best option. I do believe everyone who has not come forward in some way/shown remorse for their actions are very problematic and I hope they take the time to address this within themselves but sending hate and death threats is not the way to go.

Enablers of Simvicii & Oliveandoak.

These are additional screenshots and evidence of the people who were complicit to @Simvicii and Oliveandoak’s behaviour in the secret server. I tried to organize the screenshots by person but a lot of them overlapped with each other, so I ended up labelling the posts by number according to each conversation/interaction. 

As mentioned in my previous post, take this evidence as you will.

[TW: BULLYING, RACISM, BASHING OF MINORS]

Here is the list of people involved:

Atashi77: @atashi77, @purplish_pixels on ig

Aeson: @aubadi

Aisha: @ayshio, @/shiosims on ig

Babs: @volcano-pasta, @volcano.pasta on ig

Blue: @bluemoonsim, @winterinsimlish & @blueasice124 on ig

Bubble: @sim-bubble, @bubble.pxls on ig

Stinky/Chimi: @chimmysims 

Cilla: @harinezumi-sims / @cillaben​

Cherry: @cherrylattesims, @cherrytaless on ig

Claire: @amydelight

Emmy: @strawberrysimz / @sunshinepixelz / @wesunnysimmer 

Shae: @everfallsims, @softwhim & @everfallsims on ig

Lin: @madgnomes 

Tanya: @plushpixels, @tantani_art on ig  

Nic: @simvicii, @zest.trait on ig

Megg: @oliveandoak

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[hswarm]

Who was the blogger she claimed ripped off sims from her?

So, the thing with these types of question is I don’t really remember who was mentioned for what. I just remember the 3-4 blogs that were constantly brought up. I believe one of the blogs were brought up like as two blogs like an old and new username or something.

All I remember was that she claimed one blog forced her to send them her sims when she was new to tumblr, I think it was her original Zest boy or smth, and that they changed him up a lot where he didn’t look right anymore -- ironic considering that’s what she did to me -- and that they used him in a way she wasn’t really comfortable with.

Then I believe she mentioned someone else in a similar situation unless it was just the same person diff url -- she mentioned someone twice by their old and new urls -- but it was basically the same concept. She even said something about she was forced to swap sims and they wanted her to use their sim to be with hers and she thought they were ugly or something so she didn’t. I don’t know. It’s hard to remember.

And then one person she claimed was copying her down to her sims, her username, etc. & The other person Meg claimed the same thing. Copied her sims, editing, cc template, etc.

Idk it was all a bit childish and I got tired of hearing about the same people over and over so I would tune out the conversation most of the time. & If you’re not sure who they talked about I mentioned it on another ask.

[hswarm]

someone needs to wake simstagram up too

they are already pretty popular and everyone else has no idea what went down on simblr.

What they did.

They refuse to educate themselves, reading the evidences and what they did and said.

People on simstagram are cowards because they are "big simmers"

People on simstagram don't have an opinion and don't cancel people even when they said such disgusting things.

Ridiculous

Unfortunately, it’s not as easy to spread the word on Instagram as it is on tumblr. Unless you’re a popular Insta user and you share what’s going on on your insta/story/etc then nobody will ever really see nor care.

Instagram is a completely different community from tumblr and they tend to be more focused on whether or not they like the content and less about if the creator is an actual decent person.

I don’t really know what either of their simblr instagrams are (only their personal’s) but if anyone knows them and wants to spread information you could potentially comment on their posts and/or send information to large Insta Sim accounts.

But I do not encourage the idea of harassment, even if they have behaved poorly, we should not behave the same way as they did. If you wish to spread the information and knowledge you’ve been given then feel free to do so but do not do it in a way that is harassment or bullying.

[hswarm]

if you don't mind me asking, how do you feel about warmsol/stardustsims lgbtq+ characters? or do you still feel the same way when a straight person writes about them? (if that makes sense)

Honestly,  I don’t have much of an opinion on the story anymore. I haven’t kept up with it since March. If I remember previously my issue was the way the relationship came to be/how it was portrayed. It felt a little BL like at first but nothing like.. over the top. Just some minor things here and there that made me a little :/ with it.

I don’t remember if warmsol is actually straight or not so I don’t want to speak on it much. If they’re straight based on their latest posts I feel they improved their representation of the couple quite a bit. I only looked at a few but I thought the posts were nice and didn’t give me the same vibes as I got with the start of things/how I remembered it.

So, if at one point I had an issue with the story I don’t believe I do now. The only time I really have an issue with someone who isn’t LGBTQ+ portraying someone who is is because they don’t really understand the dynamic behind those types of relationships and tend to use stereotyped versions or oversexualized/fetishized versions of the relationship dynamic.

A lot of straights who portray MxM relationships tend to kind of portray it similar to how BL is made. While, BL is not entirely bad the general dynamic of how the relationships come to be can be harmful. Same with FxF relationships. And I feel a lot of bi/pan sims are hit or miss too. There’s just a lot of room for misrepresentation of the community and it tends to bother me just a bit.

If you’re genuinely attempting to portray a LGBTQ+ relationship I’d urge you to do some research on what those relationships look like, how they work, and the dynamic of them. Do not stereotype the relationships and do not use fetishized concepts to portray them.

(BTW none of this is directed at warmsol just a generalization since you asked how I feel about straights writing about lgbtq+)

[hswarm]

I also heard they said shitty things about warmsol/stardustsims is that true? If so do you remember what they said?

I hate to admit this but yes, it’s true. It was in regards to their story with their two lgbtq+ sims. I’ve always followed stardust/warmsol so I’m really ashamed I let them speak badly about them and that I also spoke poorly. Most of the conversation was related to the ‘cringe’ factor of their 2 male characters and how it ‘felt like those typical straights writes about gays’ situations. (This isn’t how I feel this is just how it was talked about.) I believe there was conversation about the sim style as well but I’m not 100% on that.

Regardless, yes it’s true and I’m sorry to warmsol for allowing them to speak that away about you and I’m sorry for participating in it. Even if someone disliked your story/sim style they should never be so rude and disrespectful and I acknowledge that. I didn’t really say much myself but I allowed it to happen and for that I’m really truly sorry.

[hswarm]

hi girl, you need to say who they admitted in sending hate to. Simblr needs to know who. For me as a simblr who has gotten hate, I need to know.

Unfortunately, I do not really remember. I do believe I remember they sent some asks to one of the 3 blogs they talked about regularly. I can’t remember which but it was one that they claimed stole their sim or something so they harassed them about the sim saying it wasn’t theirs or that it looked like someone else’s. But other than that I can’t remember the other incidents when it was brought up.

[hswarm]

Thank you for sharing your part. who were the 3 simblrs she talked about, we need to know.

So, I really didn’t want to say who simply because I don’t want them to be hurt. Because, admittedly, everyone in the private channel talked poorly about them simply based off what Simvicii and Oliveandoak said. We trusted them so much we took their word and said some shitty things about someone we didn’t even know. It’s not right.

But, I do feel guilty and I do want to apologize so I will say who + dm’s where I said who got posted already so f.

To Simblrana, Sevviies (?) and Sharksims: I’m sorry for everything they said and I said about you without knowing a single thing. I’m sorry I blocked you based off what someone else said. I’m sorry I didn’t defend you and I’m sorry I let things escalate to the point they got. If they ever sent you hate I’m so sorry you dealt with that and I truly hope you’re doing okay.

I don’t expect anyone to forgive me for things I went along with. I simply hope you all understand the situation I, and others, were put into. I am still deeply sorry to everyone.

Edit: PositiveSimmer was also one of the people mentioned regularly. So, four blogs.

[hswarm]

My Experience With Simvicii, Oliveandoak & Their Discord

I’ve seen a lot of posts going around in regards to simvicii, oliveandoak, their discord and private channels. I felt now would be the best time to speak out about my experience with these things. I think it’s best that people have as much information as possible.

Disclaimer: I am not innocent to anything and neither is anyone else in that discord. We are all at fault for allowing simvicii and oliveandoak behave the way they did as well as enabling/aiding in their behaviors. This is partly why I left tumblr back in March because I realized I had become the same type of person as them and I was disgusted with myself. This does not exclude me from any blacklash/punishment but I recognize my mistakes and left to address them.

How We Met: Probably around November/December or earlier back in 2019 Simvicii had dm’d me asking for a sim, this was when they went by a different username. At the time I wasn’t giving sims away because poor experiences but I had just followed her blog and became a fan so I gave her one. She later gave me a sim in exchange as well. The sim I gave her is who everyone knows as Hollie Evans. (More on this later)

Joining The Discord: After exchanging sims I never talked to Simvicii again so when Oliveandoak dm’d me asking if I wanted to join their discord I was a bit surprised. But me being me and wanting to be apart of something I chose to join, probably in early January. Everything seemed pretty normal at first but within the first few weeks I noticed a good amount of gossip going on. The server was still small and hand picked individuals so I guess they didn’t have to worry quite yet. Everything started pretty small/mild but then once the private channel was made things escalated.

The Private Channel: I guess under the safety of the channel Simvicii and Oliveandoak felt more comfortable being their true selves. Admittedly, Simvicii didn’t say too many harsh things but Oliveandoak definitely did. I remember on multiple occasions she posted screenshots of her asks and mocked the senders. There were a few asks where they didn’t quite make sense, most likely result of poor english, and she would mock them saying ‘wtf does this mean/how am i supposed to read this’ and others of the like.

Most of the time we, we being the others in the channel, would just go along with what they said. I noticed a few of them didn’t actually participate in many of those types of conversations, probably because they knew it was wrong. I myself would simply go along or ignore them because whenever I had tried to call Oliveandoak out for being too rude, mocking people, or simply tried to defend whoever it was she would get very passive aggressive with me.

Some Of What Was Said: For the most part I don’t remember a lot of the actual words and phrases they used but I remember a few of the topics. I know on several occasions they mocked their followers/people who sent them asks. They mocked simblrs they didn’t like. I actually remember three very specific simblrs being brought up almost daily by either simvicii or oliveandoak. They also would complain about people asking them to include POC or LGBTQ+ sims.

About The POC/LGBTQ+ Topics: I wanted to expand on this specifically because Simvicii is very good with words and a lot of us in the discord kind of were persuaded to agree based on how she worded things. So, most of the time the conversation was about how simblr forces people to include POC/LGBTQ+ sims and Simvicii felt that it was wrong or whatever because there’s a lot of blogs doing already + why should they be forced to do something on their blog, or something of that nature.

Now, to a degree I agreed with her simply because me being apart of the LGBTQ+ community I really hate seeing straight people trying to portray us. It almost always ends up weird and cringey. I didn’t want to see another person making that type of content. I just didn’t. So, I agreed and told her I didn’t think she needed to be posting that because she can’t related and it’s better to not do something you’re not informed on. However, that does not mean she can’t have LGBTQ+ backstory characters.

I know recently there’s a post going around with a screenshot of her talking about how asians are normally excluded from the term POC, especially here on simblr, and I have to agree. However, that does not mean you do not exclude the rest of the POC community in retaliation. Now, I’m not saying this to be rude but even when Simvicii makes “asian” sims they still look an awful lot like their white sims because their sim style makes them all look fairly similar. So, even when she made asian sims you could barely tell. But making asian sims does not exclude you from making black, hispanic, latino, middle eastern, islander, etc sims. You don’t get to trade one for the others.

Same with Oliveandoak. She got asks about her lack of POC sims and she complained saying ‘I have POC sims!!’. It doesn’t count when they’re all extremely white passing. I even personally sent her a dark skinned sim to which she switched the content on and made her look several shades lighter. This is a problem. Aesthetic or not you still need to include dark skinned sims and other races.

Moving on.

Hollie Evans: So, back to the original topic of Hollie Evans. A lot of you who know who Simvicii know who this sim is. She was one of the main characters paired as Romeo’s bff/gf/whatever. Well, yes I actually made that sim. HOWEVER, Simvicii claims (after 2-3 months of use) that the Hollie we see today isn’t actually my Hollie but a replica she made herself.

She claims that she ‘remade’ Hollie and just ‘used the same presets and everything’. I’m sorry but that’s not true. If you took a side by side of the two sims you would see that the facial structures are identical and we all know even if you try to recreate someone else’s style using the exact same content it’s not going to be 100% identical, which Hollie to her core is identical.

The thing that bothers me and hurts me is that she went our whole friendship telling me it’s the sim I gave her and then when confronted claims it’s not that sim, when clearly it is she just wants out of the doghouse. She sent Hollie to people for collabs without saying anything to me. She changed all her custom content ‘to match her style’ and she no longer uses the ‘Hollie Evans by Honeyswarm’ tags. Which the tag thing only happened after I left tumblr.

I think it’s extremely rude and hurtful to ask someone for a sim and then change everything about them, claim them as yours and share them with other people. It’s simply not right and she knows it. She would constantly bring up a blogger who had forced her to give them her sims and then ripped her off. She knows what that feels like and she knows that’s wrong.

There’s probably a hell of a lot more I could talk about, like the three blogs they always mentioned, how they all but basically convinced the private channel to exclude someone in the discord, their lack of care/empathy towards other server members/myself, admitting to sending hate to people they disliked/disagreed with and just their general toxic behavior and manipulation but I think this post is long enough.

I don’t have “evidence” to everything here because I never thought I’d need it/be posting about it but considering everyone’s coming out I figured I would too. The only “evidence” I have is in relation to our conversation when she admitted she ripped my sim off. If you’d like those I can share them but otherwise that’s all I have.

I don’t know if this post will reach anyone or even mean anything but I felt like I needed to say these things and make it aware to others. It’s always best to have as much information as possible so that’s what I’m doing here. It’s really up to you to decide what you do with it.

I also want to apologize to everyone affected by the things Simvicii and Oliveandoak have said/done. I’m so sorry I allowed them to say and do the things they said and did. I’m so sorry I didn’t stick up for y’all better. I was afraid of losing ‘friends’ and I was afraid what might happen if I went against them. That doesn’t make it any better but please no I am so deeply sorry for everything said/done in that server that I either aided in or allowed to happen.

-Honeyswarm