Mystery Novel Things (Mostly Hercule Poirot & Sherlock Holmes)
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Excuse me Mr Arthur Conan Doyle, explain why I’m sitting here blushing at Watson making Sherlock blush
And Sherlock seems so happy to be complimented each time too
It’s so cute, I don’t even need fanfiction to queer-ify it.
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The key characteristic of Holmes and Watson is how judgemental they are. Judging other people is their favourite pastime. Judging each other is their love language. Aloud or silently, openly or passive-agressively, publicly or privately, together or separately, they're judging everything and everyone. You exist? They're judging you.
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Wow you sure were right about modern audiences (aka me) missing all this context about england's past! In part this could also be the fact that her books are being read worldwide and non-british people won't have had that context passed down to them throughout their regular life, even without necessarily seeking it out themselves.
You make excellent points about poirot fully depending on a wealthy philanthropist in the first book, although I had always seen it more like it being part of this woman's personality to be generous with her money in ways that allowed her to control people (as explicitly mentioned in the novel); it hadn't occurred to me to think of it in a larger context.
In this context it does make more sense for a modern poirot to be a more "relatable" or "safer" refugee (aka european/white!) like someone from ukraine (as mentioned in the notes)... but also it's not like there can't be two modern aus
I understand that it's not the point of the type of mystery books that were being written at the time but I would have loved to see it be explored in a way that is more obvious to a modern reader! Do you have any recommendations for poirot novels/stories that especially highlight this aspect of poirot's identity? (Other than the first novel of course)
I mean, considering that Poirot is a Belgian refugee who fled from the attack of the Germans, for a Modern AU (as in set in about now) Poirot should be like.
A Syrian refugee or something.
Hastings can be his tall English self or whatever, but yeah, Syrian refugee Poirot.
I love this.
#I remember always getting annoyed at the characters who only saw poirot as some foreigner like get over it#he is just an english guy who isnt from england#i did enjoy how in the later books it seems more explicit (or maybe i was just catching on to it more) that poirot would take advantage#of their xenophobia#new thought below:#maybe it's because I'm not english either but it never occurred to me for it to be strange that poirot was uncovering all these scandals#or evil plots happening in english society#to a less dramatic extent#it's how I feel when I visit my white friends' homes#like an interloper who just doesn't understand their traditions or reasons for being a certain way and sees past it#(altho im obviously less observant than poirot lmao)
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Something I really like about Sherlock & Co. which pissed me off about BBC Sherlock is the way the writers approach Sherlock's social skills. In BBC Sherlock, he's constantly being purposely rude to people, berating them for not being smart enough or not understanding how all the clues would fit together in a case. He is not socially unaware enough to not understand the effects of his own words, and he understands that he is considered rude most of the time. Sometimes he's a downright asshole for no reason. It's usually played off for laughs, and I didn't mind it the first watch. But as I rewatched a few times, I begun to notice the issues with it.
With Sherlock & Co, however, Sherlock's social deficit is much more realistic. He knows how to mask, he knows how to pretend to be quote on quote 'normal,' but it's terribly exhausting for him. He sometimes masks when he's trying to get information during a case, and even when talking to John's mother. (And afterwards he comments on how tiring that was.) Although it was adorable how badly he wanted to make a good impression. When he does manage to miss a social cue he can come off as rude, but definitely not on purpose. He does not berate John or Mariana for not being clever enough. He is relatively polite to his clients, or he does the best he can. (Unlike BBC Sherlock who often dismisses cases for being too boring or insulting them outright.)
Anyway, that's my yap session for today.
#<prev#honestly yeah#admittedly i havent seen a ton of the grenada episodes and im a few months behind on sherlock and co but yeah so far!#no romance btwn sherlock and john and mariana so thats amazing for me personally#if mariana -> mary morstan and then she and john start dating i will scream and scream and scream in rage
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#i have no idea what to do with Hastings backstory tho; ngl#like. he wouldn't have HAD to go to any war to get injured and leave; would he?#so how is he becoming a captain?#maybe he's just a civilian ship captain or a airline pilot or something?
Ok this is the funniest thing ever because if poirot is still seasick it would be so ironic for hastings to be a pilot or sailor
It would be cool to have themes about xenophobia and racism and the way refugees are treated be explored more in a modern perspective. In canon it's more like "oh haha british people are just like that and poirot can take it to his advantage sometimes". I have no idea how much animosity there was towards belgian refugees of wwi (or percieved french immigrants in the later books) in england at the time so maybe this outlook makes sense... but something tells me that there was probably a lot more nuance to it than what this english lady was writing.
I mean, considering that Poirot is a Belgian refugee who fled from the attack of the Germans, for a Modern AU (as in set in about now) Poirot should be like.
A Syrian refugee or something.
Hastings can be his tall English self or whatever, but yeah, Syrian refugee Poirot.
I love this.
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I mean, considering that Poirot is a Belgian refugee who fled from the attack of the Germans, for a Modern AU (as in set in about now) Poirot should be like.
A Syrian refugee or something.
Hastings can be his tall English self or whatever, but yeah, Syrian refugee Poirot.
I love this.
#honestly good point#considering how much of poirot's thing is banking on british people's xenophobia to get information out of them#it could make sense
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“Whatever people say, there is right, there is wrong. There is nothing in between.' - Hercule Poirot (Murder on the Orient Express)” ― Agatha Christie
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Let them be content let them be cozy let them be happy
Also I'm very happy abt Holmes' face there, I think I did nice on the perspective - given that I struggle a lot w it
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consulting detectives will be like "I know a place" and then take you to a lovely set of rooms that you'll happily rent together for the next twenty years
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Behold the seven deadly sins of Sherlock Holmes adaptations:
Having Holmes constantly wear the notorious deerstalker cap
Making Holmes into a sociopathic big-brain asshole
Portraying Watson as a bumbling idiot
Holmes and Irene having a romance thing going on for some reason. It's either that or making her evil
The villain always being Moriarty
Copaganda
"Elementary, my dear Watson"
Lemme know if I missed anything!
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private life is such a weird movie. it’s gay. it’s homophobic in the most literal sense- afraid of homosexuality. it’s a comedy. it’s a tragedy. none of them would fucking say that but that’s kind of the point. Robert Stephens delivers a genuinely heartbreaking performance as Holmes. the Loch Ness Monster is an important plot point. yes the first thirty minutes of the movie have basically nothing to do with the next ninety. yes they are essential. it’s a batshit plot but in a way that feels very Conan Doyle. no it’s not a good movie. yes you should watch it. but it probably shouldn’t be your first introduction to Holmes. it’s a parody, it’s a love letter, it’s a worst case scenario, it lives in my mind rent-free.
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Gay people can never say “I love you” it’s always gotta be some shit like:
“It was worth a wound; it was worth many wounds; to know the depth of loyalty and love which lay behind that cold mask. The clear, hard eyes were dimmed for a moment, and the firm lips were shaking. For the one and only time I caught a glimpse of a great heart as well as of a great brain. All my years of humble but single-minded service culminated in that moment of revelation.”
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Real True Crime Podcasts: not really a fan of popularizing what might be very personal lives of random average people
Sherlock Holmes as a Fake True Crime Podcast: brilliant, astounding, storytelling at its finest and a logical modern equivalent to John Watson's diary.
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I know this whole scene is supposed to be a big, serious, bittersweet revelation in the greater context of the story, but I can't help but laugh a little. The fact that Caroline is throwing herself all over Philip and he's just stiffly laying there the whole time like
just SENDS me every time. Not quite gay silence, not quite gay judgement, but a secret third thing (gay discomfort).
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there is nothing gayer than being the worlds finest detective, except perhaps, being his partner and most trusted adviser
#sherlock holmes#john watson#hercule poirot#captain arthur hastings#except hastings is not poirot's advisor. more like poirot's most trusted anti-advisor bc hastings is always wrong
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obsessed with poirot disguising himself by just turning his moustache downwards. truly the detective of all time
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IDK maybe this is a me thing but if I had planned a revenge murder on a train and then at the last minute a celebrity homicide detective was booked in the last cabin I would simply not go ahead with the murder.
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