very similar to spoiler in that i love purple! purple glove batman supremacylove me some dysfunctional batfamily both fanon and canoni know that gotham city is messed up and i stand by themtim drake is my favorite^_^
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Jason Todd isn’t a cop because he doesn’t kill children.
Not for lack of trying!!
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do you think Bruce has a "favorite" kid (obviously they're all his fave)!? your multi chap fic got me thinking about whether he has a fave kid and who.
Ahhh, the eternal question of siblings everywhere.
Short answer: No, Bruce doesn't have a favorite.
Medium answer: Bruce doesn't have a favorite, but it sometimes seems like he has a favorite because of protagonist bias in various comics/the longevity of some characters. I'm thinking here of the fact that in a Tim Drake comic, for example, there's going to be a lot more focus on Tim's relationship with Batman than Jason's. That doesn't mean Tim is Bruce's favorite, though. Dick has by far the most canon out of all of Bruce's kids, with Tim as a respectable but distant second, so it's probably easy to throw out a bunch of moments for either of them that makes them seem like Bruce's favorite, but that's just a function of having been around for a while.
Long answer: Well, it sort of depends on what you mean by "favorite," doesn't it? I fully believe that Bruce loves all of his children, but he doesn't have the same kind of relationship with all of them.
If what you're asking is, "Which of his children does Bruce understand the best?" the answer is probably Cass. In Batgirl Vol. 1, Bruce and Cass's biggest issues stem from the fact that Cass is so much like Bruce that when she does things he wouldn't do, or shows signs of wanting to create an identity outside of Batgirl, Bruce kind of melts down.
If you're asking, "Which of his children does Bruce treat the best?" the answer is probably Damian, almost by process of elimination. Bruce and Damian have a complicated relationship that has almost always included some level of emotional neglect, but I don't think Bruce has ever hit Damian, so that puts him one up on the other kids.
If the question is, "Which of his children is Bruce closest to?" the answer is probably Dick. They've known each other for a very long time, and although they've had massive disagreements and fallings-out over the years, there is a baseline level of trust and closeness there that perseveres. Dick is sort of Bruce's best friend in addition to being his son, which causes all sorts of problems, but does mean that they're very close.
You could probably formulate some version of this question that would put Jason or Tim on top too. ("Which of his children has Bruce created the most shrines for?" "Which of his children has Bruce offered to adopt the most times?" I'm just spitballing, here!) In the end, all of Bruce's kids have distinct and complicated relationships with him, and the positive and negative aspects of those relationships aren't necessarily easily disentangled.
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diskhorse about jason is always funny but especially when people are obtuse about WHY alt-right weirdos would gravitate towards a character who enacts lethal justice against people he’s decided deserve to die
#jason todd truther#imo there is no way jason hasn't killed someone who was just trying to get money for their family#jason is actively victimizing entire families similarly to the way he was victimized#acting like he's the judge jury and executioner when he often decides on whims#jason is like the punisher!#as in. imo. they're both bad#sorry to say it but jason absolutely in no way can skip his redemption arc the way dc tried to do#there is also no universe in which he will fully atone#unfortunately for him he'll just have to live in tragedy forever#jason todd#sometimes ppl are just bad
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why! is! he! like! this!
#he sees ppl as soldiers first and children second as soon as they display a modicum of interest in the vigilante profession!#bruce wayne#dc comics
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when did ollie stand up for dick? u mentioned it in ur last post
here's the most obvious instance from green arrow/black canary #5:
(edit: he is def referring to dick and not tim here bc this is a flashback from before ollie had a speedy ‒ we see ollie meeting roy for the first time in the following panel)
and then some subtler examples; ollie worrying about dick in ga 2001 #7 (that's actually jason but ollie thinks it's dick):
ollie showcasing that he's v attuned to dick's issues in ga 2001 #32…
…enough that he knew when to reel in a thoughtless joke in the brave and the bold 2007 #15:
all proof imo that he gives a shit. here's a bonus one where he's trying to stand up for jason, but then bruce brushes him off b/c "if someone else is also a bad parent that somehow excuses my parenting" lmao:
(ga 2001 #72) which not only is factually incorrect that's not how shit went down b/w ollie and roy but also bruce says this when he himself has kicked dick out at least twice by this point in canon lmao? and it's also coming on the heels of #70 where bruce straight up says this:
i feel so bad for jason jesus christ
like, it's clear ollie cares about the robins as, like, kids, whereas bruce. i mean does he actually give a shit about roy here or was roy's history just a convenient rhetorical device to one-up ollie in the moment? we even see ollie admitting to being a flawed father in the end, there, but bruce? to him jason is just another bit of dirt in the sewers.
somehow, i have a hard time believing this guy:
(batman: legends of the dark knight #17 & detective comics #655)
…would actually have done all that much better w roy's situation than ollie did, lmao.
#oliver queen is not actually the angry dumb rich arrows guy a lot of bat-fanfiction makes him out to be#he's intelligent (and a socialist!) and has complex relationships and is self-sacrificing and brave#and sure sometimes he reacts under stress in inadvisable ways#but don't we all#oliver is the dad who notices he's doing badly and does the best he can fix it#taking the responsibility onto himself (as he should)#bruce is the dad who blames his kids for everything#and fully expects them to make it up to him#he doesn't explore his trauma to treat his kids better#which i'm pretty sure oliver has done#bruce wayne#dc comics
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What do the Titans think of Batman in relation to Dick? Most Titans know about some of Batman’s bad parenting (for example the original five saw Batman tell Dick in Teen Titans: year one that he should have figured the mind control out sooner instead of praising him like the other mentors did to their partners). I know that Kory at least said that she didn’t like how Batman treated Dick, but have the other Titans ever given their opinion?
They don't like him!! They don't like it!
Kory vocally disapproves of Bruce's treatment of Dick. Roy has literally said he thinks dealing with Bruce was a price Dick paid for being so good at everything, and a price that isn't worth it. Donna has a whole lotta concerns about Dick's relationship with Bruce.
(Wally, I'm fairly certain, has interacted with Bruce more than any other non-bat Titan considering how long he was on the JLA. But because I have read so little JLA and Flash, ironically I am struggling to come up with anything specific for him.)
The thing is that it's pretty impossible to truly know Dick Grayson and not notice how much Bruce has fucked him up. As you say, they've occasionally seen that treatment in person--but moreso they just see the insane standards Dick holds himself to, and how horrible he feels about the slightest hint of failure, and the unhealthy dedication to Bruce where Dick feels like he owes him and is terrified of letting him down.
And Dick does hold a lot of people at arm's length, where they can't see all that! But the Titans who are closest to him absolutely can and have. So the ones who know him best tend to have a pretty negative view of Bruce.
#friends always want to fistfight or verbally tear down each other's bad parents#dick grayson#that's just how it goes#frankly it's inevitable: if the titans are good friends they'll hate bruce that's non-negotiable imo#and i feel like that goes for all of bruce's other mentees
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fanon really built up "Cass is Bruce's favorite child" and meanwhile I'm sitting over here with a whole stack of panels in a folder labeled "Dick is Canonically Bruce's Favorite Child" adsfghjkl
#i am against favoritism!#however...it's an interesting dynamic#i think it can partially attributed to bruce and dick being foils and also bruce had dick for so long both in universe and irl#dick grayson#bruce wayne#dc comics
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i’ve been reading through tim’s early appearances in the other batbooks, and honestly i’m glad i did (and. didn’t just skip to knightfall lmao) because tim and bruce have such a sweet dynamic during this time period. like people will say “oh, bruce was a good dad in the 90s,” and that is definitely not true across the board, but in moments like this i can see where they’re coming from. bruce is super protective of tim, and patient and encouraging, and he obviously cares a lot about tim’s well-being. there’s a great bit where bruce starts yelling at tim for some risky move he pulled during a fight, and then pulls back and is like, look i’m sorry, i’m just worried about you, i’m afraid that you’ll start taking this stuff for granted and you’ll get hurt because you weren’t careful enough. he uses his words!! he says nice things to tim! a lot!
it’s interesting because the overriding fanon narrative of this period is “bruce was mean and cold to tim because he was traumatized by jason’s death and didn’t want to get attached to another kid”–and that makes sense, it’s probably what you would go for if you were adapting this era from scratch, but it’s not what’s actually on the page. bruce’s lingering trauma from jason is clear–there’s multiple instances where he comes up with some pretext to keep tim out of a case because he’s worried about tim’s safety–but he’s not closing himself off from tim, and in fact he lacks a lot of the hallmarks of ‘modern’, drill-sergeant, never-express-affection-to-anyone bruce. this is an era of relative peace and harmony before, presumably, bane shows up to ruin everything (press f to pay respects).
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Things Bruce Wayne Never Did Again After Jason’s Murder
I was just thinking about how drastically different Bruce became after Jason died. Like, this man just stopped doing so much, especially when it came to his familial bonds and relationships.
Correct me if I’m wrong, (because I’m just spitballing here and maybe I just haven’t read a comic where it did happen) but there’s a couple things I’ve never seen Bruce do with the other kids in the comics after Jason died.
Being (emotionally) close with his children:
I’ve noticed Bruce point this out from time to time in his thought boxes; that letting people get close to him, by admitting that he cares about them, is what gets them killed. Or at least the fear of that doesn’t allow him to form attachments anymore.
Which I find interesting, because Bruce was so terrified of losing Jason during his run as Robin. Like, it was actually concerning to me how often this man would hallucinate or dream about Jason getting hurt or dying in the eighties…? Heck, Bruce’s mind on fear gas still went to Jason even after his death. But that didn’t prevent him from creating a bond with Jason during his child years (as you’ll notice his name wasn’t mentioned with the others above).
So I’m wondering if his murder was the point where this became a realised fear for Bruce and made him push people away because it came true.
Being easy with physical affection:
Bruce is always so stiff these days when it comes to patting his kids on their shoulders or head, or heaven forbid, giving them hugs if they look traumatised enough. He is just a very awkward man. Like, what happened to that other guy? The one who was always ruffling his son’s hair and tucking him under his arm like it was the only natural thing to do.
Being playful with his kids:
This one hurts. Like Bruce could be so fun with his first two kids. He teased and wrestled with them, played video games, took them out to movies and games and racetracks, and it was 90% completely non-mission related. Heck, he even made puns himself sometimes. He enjoyed spending time with them and put effort into doing just that.
After Jason was murdered, I never saw that again. Tim was always doing his solo thing, and didn’t really spend time with Bruce outside of cowl; (of course, he wasn’t exactly his son then like his predecessors were, so that might have come off as weird); Bruce and Cass have a very mission-focused (obsessive) relationship and Damian…oh, Damian. Yeah, Bruce wasn’t taking him out to the zoo or anything on weekends.
Driving kids to school:
Well, Cassandra never really received any formal education as a child in a public school setting type-a-way, but I don’t believe Bruce has ever driven Tim or Damian to school. It was always Alfred who chauffeured them. I wondered if the thought bothered Bruce. Hence, I’m putting it down on the list of things Bruce stopped doing after Jason.
Calls the kids by nicknames just as often as their actual names:
I’ve never seen Bruce refer to Tim, Cass or Damian by any sort of nickname, despite the fact that he always seemed to be affectionately calling Dick and Jason some form of “chum,” “lad,” or “sport,” while they were Robin. Heck, I think Bruce might have even used “Jay,” more than Jason’s actual name when he was a kid.
Allowing the Robins to wear their uniforms upstairs.
This one was a three A.M thought to me. I know for a fact that Dick and Jason used to chill in the Manor in full or partial uniform during their runs and even kept their uniforms in their bedroom closets, but then when Tim became Robin, Bruce all of a sudden strictly implemented the rule of ‘no uniforms upstairs.’
Part of me wonders if he was trying to separate “Robin” from the family home aspect as a grieving thing. Like he needed to keep the two separate after Jason.
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what I love about no man’s land is there’s a deficit of everything except spray paint
#pls god that's so funny#in reality either there's a lot of graffiti artists in gotham or (more funnily) the gang signs are written in blood or gotham ooze)#as a gotham city truther i need those gang signs to be written in blood or car oil etc.
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Detective Comics #1082
Stefano Raffaele understands that Bat characters look their best when drawn as wraith-like as possible
If they don’t look like a creature who stalks the shadows in the night then go back to the drawing board
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tim: look i’m sorry i implied everything bad that happened to you was directly your fault, but it wouldn’t have happened to nightwing :/
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nostra and their slow descent to dc madness
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He's using the batarang as a spoon to eat ice cream
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Nightwing by Gleb Melnikov
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