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Critique of Fionna and Cake’s Season Finale
It’s been a good couple months since the Fionna and Cake series finale came out. At first it felt lackluster to me, then it felt extremely disappointing, then gradually I felt more and more meh about it. I could see what they were trying to do, but it kept bothering me how bad the finale was in comparison to the earlier episodes.
Now I finally have time to write out my thoughts about it and make it everyone else's problem.
Important note before I start: All of this is just my opinions on a TV-14 show. If you disagree, that’s great and I’d be interested to hear why. Just please be respectful.
What I Liked
The animation and visual storytelling was great. I liked that at the bus stop, they initially had Simon place Betty on the step below him, but later had him place her next to him. Too bad the writing doesn’t back this up (more on that later).
The voice acting was good. This isn’t my forte, so no comments besides that.
Most of the jokes landed for me. Especially Pawn Swan. He was easily the best part of Cheers for me.
I loved the Lich speech to Glob
Blue Shift is such a feel good song it almost made me like the ending.
What I Didn't Like
Catharsis
My second biggest issue with these episodes is how little catharsis there was. We got to see Fionna get upset and cry, but that was mostly because the Scarab was kicking everybody's ass. I wished we got to see Cake get upset about how people don’t see her for who she is. Or potentially exploring her fears of going back to being a normal cat.
I especially wished we got to see Simon ugly cry. This man has been through an apocalypse, lost his sanity, lost the love of his life, been depressed for years, and is now trying to curse himself. Dude literally said he missed being the Ice King because he was so out of it most of the time he didn’t realize how messed up his life was. He felt like almost everybody preferred him when he was cursed. Then he finally sees GolBetty after years of searching for a way to cure her, only to fail. There should have been some waterworks going on.
Pacing
Generally, the pacing felt too slow for me. It made the episodes feel more like a second or third draft vs a finale result. The biggest offender to me was all the fights against the Scarab. Each individual battle was fine, but there were too many of them. We know the Scarab isn’t going to destroy their world in the end, so all the fights don’t do much besides look cool. Which would be fine, if they weren’t trying to make it emotionally impactful.
This is relatively minor, but it bothers me that Casper and Nova are mostly in the episode Cheers when in basically all of the other episodes, the titular character(s) are the main focus for that episode. I think this could have been fixed, if they just cut back on the number of times they fight the Scarab.
Pay Off
There were a lot of Chekov’s guns that either didn’t get fired or turned out to have only blanks (basically you could remove them from the story and it wouldn’t affect the plot much).
No Pay Off
Simon and Marceline’s phone call/ relationship: I know I wasn’t the only one hoping to see these two reunite after Simon tried to curse himself again.
Dirt beet guys manuscript: This is minor, but I just feel like it would have been easy to fix.
The time core: This is a classic case of Adventure Time world building, where they introduce a cool concept, but don’t do much with it. I don’t know what I wished they did with it. But I would have liked for them to do something.
Disappointing Pay Off
Cosmic entities that the Scarab imprisoned: Cake lets them go and they fight the Scarab. But that fight lasts for like a minute. We also see Kheirosiphon in the ending credits. But besides that, we don’t see much else.
Everything in You song: The song is only used as a segway into the final flash back of Simon’s and Betty’s relationship. I’ll give it credit, the song is good and the scene is cute. However, you could remove it and there would be almost no effect. Considering Glob’s weakness is harmony (music), I really thought they were going to do something with it.
Fionna’s top fantasy: Throughout the series, Fionna makes references to her dream fantasies (EX: castle made out of candy). We learn what her top fantasy is after their universe already becomes canon and they’re in their final (unnecessary) fight against the Scarab. Her top fantasy turns out to be turning into a giant woman. Ignoring the Totally Spies vibes that scene gives me, I think they really missed an opportunity to make this really sweet. In the final scene, instead of Fionna saying “Just a normal world.” She could have said something along the lines of, “This is my top fantasy”
Fionna and Cake turning things normal in other universes: Ignoring the Winter King, this plot point does almost nothing. Sure, Cake accidentally turns BMO into an alarm clock, but BMO was already dead. There’s also the Scarab’s speech, “All the worlds you've visited, all the people you've infected. Your little trip must have shown you the truth. It would be better for everyone if you were just gone.” But they themselves don’t ruin that many worlds. The only reason for them seriously thinking that is the Winter King. But he was a grade A asshole and removing his magic freed Princess Bubblegum from the madness he imposed on her.
Casper and Nova
Before I start this section, there are two important things for me to mention
I should note that I've had over ten years to theorize about Simon and Betty. Naturally, I’ve probably forgotten some of my head cannons and character interpretations aren’t actually canon. Especially since we never really got much screen time for the two before Fionna and Cake. It also doesn’t help that Simon/ Ice King’s character arc hits close to home for personal reasons I’m not sharing in a tumblr post. But, it does mean that I’ve probably projected some of my feelings onto those characters at some point.
I’ve never particularly liked how Betty’s been written. I wished she got more screen time in the original show and I STRONGLY dislike that they introduced the fact that she didn’t go on an expectation she was really excited about for a man she’s known for one day in one of the final episodes of the show. To me, it turned her character from an impulsive, headstrong woman who for all intents and purposes is stuck on an alien planet and the only person she knows who is still alive has magical dementia to a fucking manic pixie dream girl. She doesn’t need to have always been completely obsessed with Simon to explain why she’s going to desperate measures to save him. Once again, he’s the only person she knows in Ooo, but as the Ice King he’s basically a stranger. She also convinced him to give up his only chance to die as himself with the hope that she could save him. Finally, she loves him and doesn’t want him to suffer.
Casper and Nova are pretty explicitly supposed to be narrative parallels to Simon and Betty and help show Simon the issues in their relationship. A lot of defense I’ve seen against criticism about this part of the story comes from a place of assuming the fandom is owo-ing the male character and doesn’t want to admit he has flaws. To be fair, it is a reasonable knee jerk reaction to have. Fandom has a LONG history of doing shit like this and villainizing women. But, at least in my case, this isn’t what's happening.
Casper and Nova aren’t on equal footing because Nova keeps making unseen sacrifices for Casper and they always do things Caspers way. The moral that Simon is supposed to take from them is that he/ Casper should have realized how much Betty/ Nova was sacrificing for him all the time, stopped, and supported her. However, this isn’t the main issue Simon and Betty have.
There are a total of two times where Simon does kind of stand to the side while Betty sacrifices herself:
The first trip planned to study petroglyphs in Australia: Simon jokingly offers Betty to go on his expedition with him. She accepts, which surprises him, and mentions offhandedly that she had another trip planned. Maybe he could have told her she could always go on another trip with him sometime else. But he could have just as easily assumed she wasn’t really interested in her original plan and if he asked if she was sure, it could come off as him telling her not to go.
The second trip planned to study petroglyphs in Australia: Simon stops Betty before she leaves for the bus and in the heat of the moment he says he always wants her by his side always. Betty still could have easily just given him his number and still go on her trip or they just agree to meet up later. Also, the show makes a point that Simon should have gone on the trip with her. I would like to note that Betty was planning to leave the day Simon realizes she has feelings for him. I don’t know how archeological expeditions exactly work, but joining so last second seems really rude to me. Also, he would have either needed to pack really quickly or bring nothing with him for a six month long trip. To add on, he won’t know what type of funding that trip was. For all he knew, it only had funds to send Betty over.
More often than not, we actually see Simon recognizing the sacrifices Betty is making and actively trying to stop her:
Betty time traveling into the future and away from basically everything she knows: Simon originally time travel calls her to apologize and tell her that he forgives her for leaving him as a way to allow her to move on. Betty chooses to jump through the portal.
Dedicating herself to save him: Simon literally begged Betty to let him die rather than turning back into the Ice King. He only changes his mind after she begs him to give her a chance to save him. Everything she does afterwards, he’s either basically passed out or is cursed.
Merging with Glob: Simon begged Betty to forget the crown and escape Golb with him and Finn. Betty pushed him out of there and merged with Golb. Simon spent years trying to find a way to unfuse her with Golb.
Not getting any acknowledgement for helping to find the Enchiridion: Simon wanted both of them to get credit. Betty told him that she wanted him to get all the credit. He awkwardly, but professionally, told her that she deserves the credit just as much as he does. She still turns down any acknowledgement. (I really don’t like this story beat because it could have been such a good chance to comment on how academia often discredits or ignores women)
We also have moments where they do things Betty’s way (or at the very least Betty does things her way) on their expedition together.
When crossing the river: Simon carefully walks across the rocks. Betty takes her shoes off and just walks through the river. Simon follows suit then slips and falls. I would just like to add that crossing a river without shoes on isn’t safe. It decreases trackson and increases your risk of cutting yourself in an open body of water. They should have just either dealt with the wet socks, brought a spare pair, or use water proof shoes.
When crossing an area full of snakes: Simon advises Betty to stick with the tried and true method for dealing with snakes. Betty decides to do the trick her mom taught her and runs through the area screaming. Simon doesn’t stop her. Instead once he sees that it’s working, he smiles.
As we see, with the exception of two instances (which could easily be changed without impacting the plot too much), Simon doesn’t need to learn the lesson that he should have supported Betty more and stopped her from sacrificing herself so much.
I think the bigger issue in Simon and Betty’s relationship is just how obsessed they are with each other. When the crown drives Simon insane and takes all his memories, the last thing Simon can remember is that he wants to marry his Princess. This leads him to literally kidnapping princesses. Betty time traveled 1000 years into the future after hearing Simon say he never saw her again after wearing the crown. In the process of trying to save him, she went mad herself. They’ve both spent years trying to save the other from and were willing to sacrifice themselves to do so (I’m fully convinced Simon didn’t have a plan for how to leave Golb’s dimension. I think the dude was just going to apologize to Betty then die).
Not Part of the Finale, But Still Bothers Me
Having Prismo be the one to actually write Fionna and Cake removes depth from Simon/ Ice King’s character. I liked how surprisingly good Fionna and Cake was and interpreted that as parts of Simon shining through. But they needed to have Fionna and Cake actually be real for the show, so they had Prismo make them. Instead of Prismo making them out of boredom, I think it would have been cool if he made them as a way to grieve Jake. Maybe after Jake died, Prismo turned to reading Fionna and Cake since his favorite person liked it and Cake’s basically a genderbent Jake. But, after reading everything the Ice King wrote he wanted more. Since he lives in the TIME ROOM, I don’t think it would be a stretch to allow him to interact with the timeline in weird ways (in fact I think we already saw this in the episode Is That You?). So, as a temporary solution Prismo made Fionna and Cake real and stores their universe in the Ice King’s head so he could get more stories out of them. Prismo meant to delete their world before the Ice King turned back into Simon, but he didn’t have the heart to. Also, they could have totally had Simon keep writing Fionna and Cake fanfiction like how he sometimes dresses up as Ice King. Except, this time, he writes them in his own modern day AU as a way to cope with how out of place he feels.
Not part of this spin off, but it’s always irked me that Simon got to time travel to the past, but Betty didn’t. I get that Betty wanted to intentionally create a time paradox. But it still feels really hypocritical. Honestly, I think they should have just made Simon accidentally freeze her when he first puts on the crown. After Frost and Fire, when the Ice Kingdom got melted, have her thaw out and start researching ways to cure Simon. Then, during the episode she’s supposed to debut in, have her be the cause of Bella Noche.
Conclusion
The finale had cool concepts, but it doesn't fully match up with everything that came before it.
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so... ive decided to bombard tumblr with my most recent hyperfixation,. adventure time. i recently binged the entirety of the original series then fionna and cake, and,,, i hated the ending that fionna and cake gave the characters. not just simon and betty but the fionnaworld guys too. so i made a little au in my brainhole with an rp with @ultraalittlebitofeverything as inspiration.
more art under the cut.
with this as the original concept sketch/idea, based on a tumblr post i reblogged a while ago that wont stop rattling in my brain
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(whoops, unfollowed you for a second trying to hit the ask button lol) for the ask meme, Simon!
Yooo Simon Petrikov? let’s go!
Sexuality Headcanon: Heterosexual (yeah I ship him sometimes with Hunson Abadeer but that’s usually on AU basis, for those ones Simon is bi)
Gender Headcanon: Cisgender but Simon is so comfortable and confident in his masculinity he doesn’t care about deviating a little from what is considered standard. He’ll wear pink and not care about what anyone says if he wants to.
A ship I have with said character: Petrigrof, AKA Simon x Betty. OTP of all time, I just want them to be happy. I wish we saw more of their interactions before their lives were destroyed by the crown and the war, the series finale flashback with the sundae was a riot.
A BROTP I have with said character: I guess with Finn, tho more as a father figure than a friend! I just want them to get along.
A NOTP I have with said character: Simon x Marceline, I don’t even need to explain why lol
A random headcanon: The song “Oh Fionna” was originally composed by Simon and it was about Betty, Ice King repurposed the song because he doesn’t remember her.
General Opinion over said character: Simon is great but he’s massively underrated within the fanbase and he’s very under explored in canon. Obsidian gave us a little taste that not everything is fine in Simon’s head after being Ice King for so long, which is frankly the most logical conclusion to make.
This man has a lot of unaddressed trauma! He survived a war that killed everyone he knows, for centuries he didn’t even know what happened to Betty, he had to deal with a curse that was destroying his mind and erasing his memories, the only thing that kept him going was Marceline. Simon only lived for her sake, and when he became to dangerous to protect her anymore, he just gave up.
There’s a lot of potential for character exploration right there and we aren’t getting it for whatever reason, it boggles me.
Simon is a sweetie sure but I headcanon he has rage issues, the bit with clambulance supports the possibility that Simon has a lot of repressed anger, idk I want more flaws on the guy besides being timid and non confrontational. Makes Simon more human.
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Any headcanons about Simon and Betty?
Two, actually, off the top of my head. The first one is that Simon Petrikov and Betty Grof are Russian. The second one is that Simon is autistic while Betty has ADHD.
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This made me cackle!
(I really wanted to draw angry Simon gomen;;)
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What’s your honest opinion on Simon and Betty characterising in f&c
It was good, but the Cheers episode completely contradicted everything in the original series and previous episodes. They could've written their relationship a lot better, cause Simon always supported Betty's decisions. He never would've let her sacrifice anything, and literally everything we've seen shows that, but the Cheers episode contradicted everything. For example, they found the Enchiridion literally TWO WEEKS BEFORE Betty was about to leave on her trip to Australia. Even then, she could've still taken that trip after Simon told her that he fell in love with her, too and kept in touch with him. He never intended in stopping her. He her wanted her to know he wants her by his side as much as she wants him by hers. She just chose to never take that trip. In the Jerry episode, Simon literally states that it was a couple weeks later AFTER they went their separate ways when they found the Enchiridion. Cheers missed that apparently when they had Simon say that the Enchiridion can wait. Tf??? Didn't they meet up at the bus stop AFTER they found that book, two weeks after they found it??? Am I the only one who noticed this discrepancy??? Or the fact that when he found the crown, he purchased it from a dock worker in Northern Scandinavia and went home to show Betty. They never purchased it together. That was something Simon did solo. I also don't like how Simon was treated in the first few episodes, either. Episode 4 had me disappointed with Prismo, Fionna and Cake for that. My man deserves better, especially for all he's done and been through. But yeah, for the Cheers episode to blame Simon and say he never supported her was a huge slap to the face and a lie. Bro literally sacrificed the only mercy of death to be Ice King a little longer, so Betty could have a chance to free him from the crown and save him. If that's not a huge sacrifice, idk what is. Even GOLBetty never blamed him, so why did the writers imply that this was somehow Simon being at fault??? He and Betty both made their choices, and they just fell victim to fate (the mushroom war, the crown, etc.) Yes, they are both self-sacrificial to a fault, but their relationship was one of the best.
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Fixed the coloring on the hair. Now it looks a whole lot better!
My Redraw Of Simon Petrikov from Adventure Time!
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My Redraw Of Simon Petrikov from Adventure Time!
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Last Edit! Added More Shade To My Drawing Of Simon Petrikov From Adventure Time! Thanks a lot, PicsArt Color app for deleting my progress! Now the hair will forever look flat! At least, I made everything else look more 3d.
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The one on the left under winter king kinds just like my drawing and how I picture Simon IRL!!! In fact, that IS Simon's real life face!
Oops I dropped something mb guys
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Added Shade To My Drawing Of Simon Petrikov From Adventure Time!
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He's a good size. 🤣🤣🤣
Simon's Butt
Simon’s butt is a pair of exquisite, perfectly rounded, sky-blue cheeks attached to a silver fox with a wonderous beard. Very few have seen the booty, and only one can tame it
That person is Betty
Only she can handle his plush rump
Are you happy now thepiedmon
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I JSUT REALLY LIKE THIS CAP I MEAN FOR ONE THING U HAVE THE ULTIMATE WIFE UPPER BOD STRENGTH BETTY LIKE HOLY SHIT MAN NO SWEAT GONNA PICK UP MY CUTIE BRIDAL STYLE HELL YEAH AND ALSO LIMP LIL SIMON AND HE’S ALL BUNCHED UP WITH LIL FEET TOGETHER N ARM AROUND ULTIMATE WIFE LIKE CUTIE NOODLE KING YEAH IM STILL FREAKIN ABOUT THIS EPISODE FIGHT ME HECKER
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Edited the Colored version of my Simon Petrikov drawing along with the younger Simon version, so it looks more decent.
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Younger Simon (All I did with my drawing was color in the white streak and color over the wrinkles in the copy 🤣🤣🤣).
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Well, I officially drew Simon Petrikov from Adventure Time! This is my first time drawing a human; it took a lot of work, too!
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