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Vecna analysis / canon recap
Something to mention about Vecna cos I know the ST fandom is always having normal ones and Vecna/Henry as a character is a subject of MUCH controversy due to the fandoms inability to understand anything about him: oof level large.
But I wanted to mention, as far as my portrayal goes, Vecna is in fact "undead" I've seen this debated a few times, but regardless to what Vecna said in his scene with Eleven, I severely doubt Vecna's "alive" in a normal way. The scene I'm referencing being the one in the piggyback where Eleven threatens Vecna by saying she would kill him again if he touches Max and Vecna saying "Is that what you did?" The way I see it is, Eleven did kill him in a way, but obviously not in the way she thought she did and Vecna was taking the piss.
Theres a few reasons for my thoughts here, not just because of the fact Vecna is meant to represent the undead lich god of DnD but also because I think it would be pretty much impossible for Henry to survive his "fall" into the Upside Down, never mind the multiple lighting strikes that burned and deformed him along the way, like the man went Through It and I don't think he "lived" in a normal way because it makes no sense logically OR aesthetically.
Because heres the other thing, in the original script, and the way the scene was ORGINALLY suppose to go, Henry was transformed into Vecna nearly the moment he was thrown into the Upside Down. This is extremely notable to me for two reasons. 1) It shows that the whatever was in the Upside Down ( The Mindflayer. you guys, like, fr, its the Mindflayer. ) was alive, conscious, and calculating before Henry even knew what was going on / happening to him and 2) ��It puts a more logical bridge between Henry > Vecna.
Unfortunately, due to not wanting to spend a packet on CGI, this scene was tweaked a little and we only saw Henry get struck by the "lighting" and then wandered around all fucked up and zombie like ( and like, this calls a direct parallel to Will's "zombie boy" picture from season 1, if anyone noticed, and probably the only reason I'm not bitter about the slight change they had to make to this because I really like that little nod to S1. )
But note to everyone, that was not was never intended to be perceived as normal lighting. It was always "part" of the Mindflayer. If that was "normal lighting" Henry would have just been roasted, end of story. But he wasn't. Not only did these multiple, severely damaging/deforming lighting strikes NOT kill him, he was somehow able to survive a "fall" that seemed to be 100s of feet through the crazy ass alien atmosphere.
So yeah, in the original script Henry was not just struck by the supernatural lighting. The vines ""attacked"" him as well, ripping off his clothes and entering his body, hence turning him into "Vecna". And obviously, even though the scene was changed be a little less horrific and save money, this still had to have happened at some point given Vecna is literally a semi-rotted corpse with those freakish vines crawling through and underneath his skin.
And honestly the fandom thinks Vecna is the one who controls the "vines" but this honestly proves he doesn't and even with the change of the scene in canon, we see the vines are are behaving sentient and the same way they always have before Henry got to the Upside down, as they're shown trying to hold the portal open and get through in the scene when Eleven pushes Henry into the UD. So as far as my headcanons go Henry's "link" with the Mindflayer didn't happen when he "found" its "cloud form" in the UD. It happened as early as the lightening strikes
( Because they are PART of the Mindflayer and we do see this in canon as well ) and is the reason for his undeath and pseudo-immortality. ( Although, technically in my headcanon he was linked with the mindflayer since his time in the Creel house as a child but what I mean here is this is the moment that solidified him becoming "one" with the entity. ) Vecna also kind of confirms this himself because he does tell Eleven it was the Mindflayer that caused him to "ascend" his human form.
( Essentially in my take, Vecna isn't really alive anymore, and the only way to "kill" him is if his connection with Mindflayer was broken and EVEN THEN I do believe the MF could just reanimate him as it wanted. You know all that puppet imagery with Vecna exists for a reason and not the way this fandom thinks, but don't ask me how it all flew over their heads, the lack of media literacy out here is truly remarkable, imo, this fandom needs to be studied in a lab because its something new. ) I'm also not saying Vecna doesn't have his own consciousness because he does, but he is also heavily poisoned by and integrated with the "hive mind." I'm not sure I would say he even realizes the true extent of it.
Obviously my take is ultimately NOT that Vecna possessed the Mindflayer, rather, more the other way around. Like, it really makes sense and I can't come at the idea that Vecna's just a dude having a bad hair, skin, eyes and nose day. Like on top of the rest of this shit, they shot him several times with a shot gun and set him on fire and my mans got up and walked it off, he's def not alive/mortal anymore.
Which brings me to something else, since Strode mentioned having Steve touch Vecna in our thread and I mentioned he's slimy, so yeah, thats a thing for reference ! Texture wise Vecna is cold, moist and, yes, kind of slimy. He would feel like touching a frog or a slug if either of those creatures were very cold. Most of his body is soft, but the vines and things are more firm ( kind of like rubber tubing )
The particularly mutated parts are cold and hard like bone. His big claw hand is a good example of this. He also has other bony / keratin protrusions as well that are growing out of him in the form of "spines" or horns but they're in random places. Theres a very pronounced patch running along one of his shoulders though.
The parts of Vecna that aren't gangrenated / black/brown/rubbery thanks to the presence of the vines, is ghostly pale, and his veins are VERY obvious because they're literally black ( Along with the "rot", this is another feature we've seen before on those that have been "possessed" by the mindflayer: See Billy and Will. Vecna is just most extreme and prolonged example of this "corroding" / mutating effect the MF has on its hosts. )
The more obviously "human" parts of his skin that haven't been "burned" and made leathery are the parts that are soft. He is just so fucking textured its unreal and of course he also has a smell about him thats very distinct. Its mossy/moldy. Think like Mildewy. Kind of stagnant water mixed with that hint of decay. Not exactly strong enough to make you gag but its definitely a thing.
Oh and of course all Vecna's bodily fluids are black. His blood looks like tar ( has a similar thick consistency too ) and his spit looks like he gargled black ink, so yeah. LASTLY, again for the reference, Vecna's eyes are notable because though they're still obviously in his head they're VERY pale, one seems to have a bit of an unnatural "glow"
( Though not in a luminous way, its just unusually bright ) and they're both clouded, kind of makes it look like he should be blind, but somehow he sees just fine and I haven't decided if he can still see out of them in a normal way or if its just straight up psychic perception for Vecna now, but, yeah! I figured it be good to mention this as referential for anyone who rps with him and wants to describe his presence and such.
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Inspirations / blog canon recap.
I'm due for a big old rambly headcanon post so lets do it. In light of a couple updates on the Stranger Things Writers account, including them promoting Evil Dead as relevant to Stranger Things in some way and recently adding a picture of the novel "A Wrinkle in Time" for the same effect, the brain worms are wiggling again !! I've personally referenced the Evil Dead multiple times regarding my theories/thoughts/headcanons on the Mindflayer so the ST writers account confirming "some part" of the Evil Dead universe is reflected and taken for inspo in Stranger Things excited tf out of me, and the content found in A Wrinkle in time continues to further add to my personal theories on that in particular as well.
I mean, A wrinkle in time is also loaded choc full of religious and spiritual themes, tied hand in hand with the supernatural and science fiction and I've mentioned that's precisely where Stranger Things is thematically ( Although the fandom doesn't seem to believe it. ) The dark amalgamation of religious, cosmic and sci-fci horror is genuinely my favourite thing about Stranger Things as a series.
Although being honest my PERSONAL headcanons and portrayal on Vecna and the Mindflayer are not necessarily meant to promote Christian values or Christianized views on morality or good vs evil as is the case with a Wrinkle in time. More to the opposite, actually.
As I've been over in another headcanon, personally, I more display the Mindflayer as "god", or an allegory of, rather than an allegory for Satan as seems to be more the case with "The Black Thing" in "A Wrinkle in time" and could very well be the case with Stranger Things canonly, but I also wouldn't say thats what Stranger Things is going for given we can't survey season 5 or how anything with Vecna and the MF is going to go just yet.
But none the less I'm excited by the little "updates" and the "clues" they're giving and I wanted to talk about a few of my insane weirdo takes as well involving Vecna and the UD specifically.
I've surely mentioned some of these things before, some in great detail, but others less so, so we're gonna run over some stuff again.
So, essentially as far as it goes in my HCs RN Vecna is the one who "shaped" the Upside Down to look like Hawkins. Like, I actually have two theories on this and I like them both but I'm using the slightly more insane one for my own writings and thats the one I'm mostly gonna be rambling about.
As far as my headcanons go and the one I'm CURRENTLY working with in threads and such is in a nutshell I think the "yellow / red world" we saw Henry and the Mindflayer in is more of a pocket dimension to ultimately what became the Upside Down. I'm probably not gonna be making a whole lot of sense here, especially if you haven't read my other HCs about the Mindflayer and Vecna, and the references I take from H.P Lovecraft, specifically Azathoth, Nyarlathotep and the Crawling Chaos.
But anyway, essentially the Shadow / Cloud mass isn't the mindflayer's true corporeal form. Its more a manifestation of the mindflayer's "Astral form" or some fragment of it anyway. And it was, shall we say, "trapped" in this "pocket dimension" before Henry linked up with it and freed it.
Because again, taking heavy inpso from Azathoth and myths surrounding the being from the HP Lovecraft universe, there is a concept that Azathoth was somehow "imprisoned", although as essentially the creator of all reality it can never really be contained or "stopped", Azathoth's omnipotence remains even in its discombobulated or 'unconscious' state.
And I'm very much going for the same vibe with the Mindflayer. Its true corporeal form is simply incomprehensible, and it interacts with the world through its 'dreaming' or 'astral form'. Another fun bit of info is if/when threads come up where Henry references concepts such as Inari's Web or figures in creation myths such as the Spider Grandmother, they're all actually related and connected to the concept of The Mindflayer and my likeness of it to Azathoth. The mindflayer is a thing that simply exists across and between multiple dimensions.
Though parts of it have been "contained" in some places, although how it got trapped in some places I haven't decided or specified yet but I like to think it had less to do with other cosmic deities deciding it needed to be stopped and more to do with its own "mindless" hunger.
So anyway, as I also mentioned and continuing with the weird horror theme, I portray the Upside Down as, quite literally, a living organism, ( I have done a pretty lengthy post on that in particular floating around on one of my blogs ) and potentially part of the mindflayer's actual corporeal form, a bizarre world that is the inside of a gargantuan deity that represents all reality.
A world that happens to be sitting parallel to the "cursed" town of Hawkins. Where Henry originates from. Truly, Henry coming to live in Hawkins was the worst thing to happen to Hawkins and probably the world because Henry was born "sensitive" in my HC. He was born with clairvoyant abilities. ( Its been suggested Victor could have been somehow "sensitive" as well given he is the only other character in the Creel family apart from Henry who had the sense of a "presence" in the Creel house. )
Due to Henry's clairvoyant abilities he was able to receive "transmissions" from "the Mindflayer", currently residing in the otherworld. It was because of the Mindflayer's influence that Henry's powers heightened the way they did. You could even say, in a way, it gifted him those powers and groomed him to take his eventual path with them. Not helped by Brenner, and the Lab at all of course because they're another huge factor in this.
The Mindflayer "chose" Henry to be it's intermedium. And I'm not going to say the Mindflayer always wanted to "Destroy the world" or that its "evil" or anything so "simple", because more the reality is that its just "hungry." It rots and consumes Hawkins for that far less morally aligned reason. Its indifferent to humanity and morality because both of those things are entirely beneath it. ( As Dustin explained in season 2, the Mindflayer thinks itself superior to.... Everything and if you are in fact an ancient cosmic deity wheres the fault in that logic exactly ? ) Destroying the world isn't its goal, rather, its not destruction, its renewal.
Because as I've also mentioned many times before I'm defo taking some inspo from the Legacy of Kain series and the depiction of the entity known as the elder god. Essentially the Elder god has an influence over life and death because it feeds on death, or rather it feeds on souls, but its not so simple because by feeding on souls the "elder god" also "spins the souls" back into the "wheel of fate", hence, while everything is destroyed by the elder god it is also renewed by the elder god. It is essentially the "cycle of life" or "fate" personified as a monstrous squid like abomination that resides in the "otherworld", that is depicted as a dark/warped version of normal reality full of monsters.
AND that is also a kind of aesthetic I'm going for here because I think it works and LOK is just another thing that I would be VERY SURPRISED if the Duffer bros and the ST writers didn't actually have in the piles of inspo because it def has so many similar elements to ST going on BUT THATS for another post.
Because ultimately I haven't fully decided if the MFs intentions are anything beyond "eating", I think its something that simply EATS and eats and death and destruction feed it, so it has a bit of a habit of influencing the world(s) around it to create death and destruction again for no big reason outside of this is its nature and its simply hungry but part of its feeding leads to 'renewal' because technically it is reality itself.
Which is also Henry/Vecna comes into it for me. Because as the human intermedium he's given this a human element. He brings the "human" side in. We cant fully comprehend why and how the mindflayer does what it does, but Vecna's different. He was human once, he still has somewhat human goals. In my HC, Vecna's aware of what the mindflayer is and he's heavily on the side of "renewal". Which is another human aspect of him; he's seen the good and the use in this unfathomable omnipotent thing that just rots and eats everything it touches. Ultimately, Vecna understands what the Mindflayer is, and he serves it, however, he's also using his link to it for what he thinks is good. He wants to change and "renew" the world and the Mindflayer is the key to that. Its a tool, but so is he. They're tools for each other.
The Mindflayer brings about judgement and destruction onto mankind and the corruption of human civilization, allowing Vecna to "reset" it, in his hopes into something better, meanwhile the Mindflayer uses Vecna to open the gates, to free it and thus supply it with a massive supply of "food" during all this that continues the unending cycle of life and death across all the universe.
But I haven't completely decided how much of Vecna's goals are influenced by the Mindflayer's "corruption" or direction because I also think that's an element as well. Cos for example, I think while Henry always wanted to use his powers to make a change in the world I don't think he ever wanted to destroy everything to rebuild it.
Another thing I personally take reference from and will be VERY shocked if the ST writers aren't as well, is Silent Hill, which I've mentioned a lot of times specifically surrounding the link between Henry and Will and Alessa and Cheryl and the similairties I think there could be there, but another element here for me is the fact Alessa and what was done to her is considered the catalyst for much of the terrifying shit going on in Silent Hill and its link to its "dark mirror", the other world, which looks near identical to Silent Hill except dark and twisted and full of monsters, and the lapse in dimensional barriers.
( Also as a fun note the "otherworld" of Silent hill is also depicted as the place "god" lives, so yeah ).
And this does in fact mirror Henry in a way given we can definitely say Eleven pushing Henry through to the Upside Down really "sealed the fate" of Hawkins and brings me to the fact that yeah, I headcanon Henry is the reason the Upside Down was reskinned to look like the Dark Mirror of Hawkins.
Why ? Because he wanted to build his own world, his idea of a better, safer one. This just becomes a little more literal, supernatural and psychological with Vecna and the Upside Down. There is a heavy "foreshadowing" to this in the scene with Eleven and Henry where Henry says "We could reshape the world. Remake it in anyway we see fit."
Henry reshaped the Upside Down to look as if it was Hawkins. And I wonder if a part of him did this to find his way home, since he returned to the Creel house and seemingly stayed there. We also know Vecna's version of the Creel house and the actual Creel house are not just direct copies of each other but they're also apparently in the exact same place as each other, and a lot of the Upside Down could be seen as a life sized "map" of Hawkins in a way.
But I also have the headcanon that after Vecna reshaped the UD for whatever reason or REASONS he did, that was it for him. He exhausted the power he had and went into hibernation mode. This feels like it could also be very true because there is no sign of Vecna anywhere until the back end of season 3.
And I feel like canon could have explained this with when they had Will mention the Mindflayer doesn't "activate" its minions, so to speak, until it needs them. It wouldn't have necessarily needed Vecna during season 1, because Eleven had accidentally opened the gate. The gate was "closed" in season 2 but a small fragment of the Mindflayer that had been expelled from Will had already escaped and went on to wreak havoc in season 3.
Season 3 apparently follows the Mindflayer’s attempts to kill everyone of a threat to it ( Specifically Eleven ) and reopen the gate , which fails, and then suddenly Vecna comes into it full force and opens the gates for it, and given the way the D*ffers and the writing crew have worked to tie S4 and the previous seasons together. I don't think Vecna's absence and appearance is coincidental or that Vecna was always just sitting around twiddling his thumbs waiting.
So what I’m saying for now is basically that Vecna/Henry made the Upside Down look like Hawkins. I’m not giving specifics for why, outside of the fact he had a longing for his own “ safe world“ but Hawkins was the only place he "knew" to based it off, and that Vecna also wasn’t an “active” presence in the UD or the initial invasion of Hawkins during season 1-2.
During season 1-2 Vecna didn’t have the power to actively participate in this. He was drained from using his powers to reskin the Upside Down and was in a semi comatose state. ( Although he is still present within the hivemind and thus had some understanding of what was going on through the mindflayer's interactions with Hawkins, the party and the demogorgons. )
The mindflayer officially “reawakened him” due to needing him to “reopen” the gates and he could do this after the Mindflayer absorbed Eleven's powers and transfered them to him to give him a jump start. The initial opening of the gate in S1 was an “accident” that occurred because of Brenner’s meddling with Eleven’s powers and, to put it in a very oversimplified and condensed way, once the mindflayer got “a taste” of the real Hawkins, it. wanted more and started upping the ante when it came to trying to “break out” or rather “merge” Hawkins with itself/the UD and perhaps this was always where it was leading to, given if Henry continued to use his powers the way he was he would also break the barrier of the UD and Hawkins.
So I also wanna say Vecna’s actions of reskinning the Upside Down may have ALWAYS been intended to to be part of a merger between Hawkins and the Upside Down but he ran out of juice before he could finish the job and it just so happened that Eleven’s contact with the Demogorgon finally popped a big enough hole in the barrier between the UD and Hawkins to really get the ball rolling on things again.
Anyways, like I said I do have OTHER theories and tbh I constantly think about the way the Demogorgans behave in the VR game and it just throws me out on a lot of stuff because you don't know how disappointed I'm going to be if the writers do some generic shit like the Upside Down was just an alien world that was conquered bc teh evils. Like that would feel very lame to me and hopefully I'm just reading too far into the few seconds we got from the VR game and NONE THE LESS my own personal headcanons seek to generally disregard whatever canon might be doing with any of this anyway.
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Vecna's curse headcanons / symbolism
I have the need to make this post because supreme lack of narrative awareness and Simply Not Getting It are among the many, many issues with the ST fandom, but I do feel like its probably important to mention it here and I did eventually intend to repost my post about Vecna's curse to Henry's own blog and have been meaning to do that for well over a week now, lmao. Right now, though, this post will have to do because I'm low on spoons.
Vecna's curse, like most things surrounding Vecna / Henry in the fandom, is the subject of a pretty huge misconception so, yeah, I have to explain it here too. The idea the fandom has is that Vecna targets people who have trauma because he's evil and they're easy victims and he enjoys torturing them, along with the fact he chooses "children" because again, easy victims and he's also a [redacted].
Don't start me on the explicit homophobia and chronically online thinking it took for the fandom to reach that conclusion. But the thing is Vecna actually targets neither children nor does he target trauma survivors necessarily. The "special thing" about Vecna's curse is that its literally a blatant analogy for depression and suicide.
The canon is so heavy handed in this but for some reason the fandom still fails to get it 98% of the time. The feature of Vecna's curse and the common denominator among the victims is that the victim is carrying a "dark secret" that is taking a severe toll on them mentally and emotionally and quite literally ending their lives due to the shame and guilt surrounding this particular secret.
A big chunk of inspo here comes from DnD, where Vecna is renowned as the master of dark secrets. He's a keeper of knowledge. Which I've mentioned before, is another reason a lot of this fandoms theories about how Vecna's going to do xyz in season 5 are completely wrong and are based on a fundamental misunderstanding because Vecna's curse is not and has never been about Vecna exposing a victims "dark secrets" to anyone in the cast. We as the audience are only privy to them because obviously its relevant for us to see to understand the plot, but, yeah, ultimately Vecna doesn't expose anything about his victims outwardly where others would see it.
( With the exception kind of being Max, who naturally began to seek help for her struggle and once again, the depression / suicide analogy is very explicit here, but it wasn't Vecna who pushed Max to get this help or made her feel she had to look for help. Vecna's shtick is very much the opposite. Vecna's shtick is "come with me and it will all be over." There is no intention in Vecna's curse for the victim's secrets to be exposed to the surrounding cast in any way. )
Anyway, specifically Vecna's curse afflicts Chrissy because of her eating disorder + her mothers abuse. It afflicts Fred because of his survivors guilt. Max because of her feelings surrounding Billy's death, and Patrick because of his alcoholism + his fathers abuse. These are all "dark secrets" that were destroying their owners. But it doesn't end there. We're shown a brief moment of Vecna's curse manifesting itself - essentially we're shown Vecna "choosing a victim". In this scene we're shown a few people in Hawkins who have some type of secret, but ultimately the curse lands upon Patrick. Why ?
The answer lies in one of the most extremely overlooked scenes in the entire season, yet one of the most important ones we saw. Vecna is shown to have precognition. He can see and show others the future. This makes the analogy of Venca's curse as a suicide thing even more potent and literal because it heavily indicates the particular victims of Vecna's curse were not just depressed and having suicidal thoughts, they were actually actively headed toward committing suicide in the future. This is what ultimately "marked" them as sacrifices to open the gate.
So yeah. Vecna's curse is not necessarily about trauma nor is it actually about exposing or exaggerating anything traumatic the Victim has suffered. That being said, there is a lot of supernatural repetition in Vecna and his curse, and things he was a victim of and suffered in his human life sometimes reflect because of this and given he was a victim of serve abuse, trauma, guilt and shame, yes, often the victims have trauma and are heavily relatable to Vecna himself and Vecna's own personal experience. Which is a factor, I believe, in why Vecna often tries to soothe and reassure his victims in their final moments.
And tbh, I've mentioned this before in more in depth headcanons about Henry / Vecna and the themes / motifs surrounding him, but Vecna heavily mirrors a destroying angel, a grim reaper, ultimately an angel of death. I've repeatedly related him to figures like Azrael and Samael and will continue to do so because I'm Absolutely Correct, and that's very much his entire aesthetic and I think its crazy how people in this fandom insist on talking about things like IT/Pennywise and sometimes Freddy Kruger and their ( painfully wrong ) ideas of how they relate to Vecna as a character but absolutely no one wants to acknowledge for factor in Vecna's own namesake from DnD OR the main inspiration behind him otherwise which is Pinhead from Hellraiser. Its been blowing my mind since September.
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The clocks symbolism.
Written in response to an anon 1000 years ago but here I am finally pulling out the clock post.
Like I mentioned, I'm also going to be adding another post to this one that I've made more recently so yeah, I told you I had plenty of nonsense left to repost. So my interpretation of the clocks and their symbolic value is BASCIALLY that Henry is very much not a fan of social constructs. Keeping in mind that Henry’s time of living was the 50s-80s. If you think the world is an oppressive shit hole now, boy do I have news for you; it was a thousand times worse in Henry’s time. It is largely due to social constructs that Henry suffered as he did, as someone who was an outcast to social norms and was unable to completely conform to societies ridged view of right and normal, because ists and phobes are still a thing now and they were a lot worse back then.
This was a time when you could get hate crimed for wearing the wrong clothes, being an actual minority was a nightmare. Ultimately, and on the surface, “Time” represents humanities greatest social construct of all and clocks symbolize time. Henry / Vecna as a character is out to dismantle and destroy the status quo due to his lived suffering and oppression. This is a righteous and fair conquest in Vecna's mind. For my portrayal of Henry and Vecna I've been leaning heavily into religious and cosmic horror tropes as well which I think are canonly present in the character.
For example, I wouldn't say Vecna is just doing what he's doing because of his life expereinces and his personal struggle with systematic oppression and the horrific abuse and exploitation he suffered at the hands of the government. ( Though, imo, thats understandable enough to me, like put yourself in his shoes for a sec and tell me how you'd be handling it bc I'm not too proud to admit I'd go a little insane too. )
BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, I've viewed him as and written him as a messianic archetype and tropes surrounding divine and prophetic journeys are also heavily used and refenced here. Very apocalypse but in the sense of the literary genre. You can read about some more of my thoughts and references on that here. Vecna is associated heavily with the end of time and doomsday but I'll get back to this shortly.
In my headcanon, based on what we saw in canon, Henry would practice his psionic abilities on the grandfather clock that existed in his childhood home. He would use his mind to wind the hands back and forth as he wanted. This was a big moment for Henry in my headcanon because it was the first time he was able to consciously and purposely manipulate a “physical” thing with his powers and also it came ��with the realization that he could essentially check out of societies expectations of him because he had powers unlike anything else in society.
Suddenly, he couldn't be entirely bound by societies expectations and pre-defined role for him and this was incredibly alleviating for him as an autistic child in a time period where the outlook of life for an autistic person was grim to say the least. ( Once again, the social and political climate for minorities in this time was utterly horrific I cannot stress this enough and how understanding that is important to understanding a lot of themes in ST in general. )
GOING DEEPER AGAIN, I view the clocks as also symbolic of Henry’s imprisonment as well. He was trapped the Hawkins Lab for 20 years. He spent 20 years of his life just waiting for that nightmare to end because the fact is Henry's alleviation and revelation of his powers and desire / hope for freedom was short lived and absolutely destroyed when he was imprisoned by Brenner. He didn’t know how the end would come, he didn’t know if he would grow old and die or if he would be killed, or if something miraculous would happen and he would be freed somehow. None the less suddenly the destiny and direction Henry had within his reach was torn away from him and he became a slave to the Lab and Brenner's project. This happened more than once.
MY personal interpretation that I’ve got going on until canon tells me something different says Henry was trapped in the lab and the lab was a place where clocks and lights were a conduit to reality, to the real world, the world outside of the lab. In that lab, time was all Henry had. Both things have become symbolic to Henry as a result. So naturally, the same remains true of his time as Vecna, in the upside down.
He spent years trapped in the upside down, a place without society, without civilizations, and literally without time. This was a place he came to like. We don't really know what Vecna's time in the upside down looked like just yet, and I have my working theories about it that I might mention in another post sometime because I have written about them but anyway -
Merging Hawkins with the upside down kind of represents a sort of a “propaganda of the deed,” but in a way that seems true to the horror genre again, with the aesthetic kind of being that's he’s become an agent of doom, he’s heralding in the “end” of the world ( particularly as it currently is ) in which an “end” is considered the furthest part to the flow of time and therefore can also be represented by a clock. Henry's counterpart character is Kali. Her name represents the Goddess Kali who is symbolic of things such as change, doomsday, time, rebirth, etc, which are all pretty specifically relevant to Vecna as well.
Each victim brings him closer to fulling this "prophesy" each victim is symbolized by the chiming of the clock. Four being the magic number also seems to be symbolic because we have the four points of time/day: Morning, afternoon, evening and night that can be attributed to time as well but four itself is also an important number in esotericism because it represents the four seasons, the four elements, and otherwise is a number that represents the earth and the natural world. Briefly mentioned by me before, its also possible five is the true number here because it feels likely Vecna is actually the original sacrifice which would bring the real number of sacrifices up to five.
Five is also an important number in esotericism because it largely represents humanity, contrasting and complimenting number four. I probably could make another post to talk more about this but I have mentioned in the linked post above a lot of the religious and heavily esoteric themes in the show that were made particularly obvious in season 4 so yeah, trust me on this I'm not as crazy as I seem. I've also talked about this before but in my POV, a lot of Henry’s manifestations as Vecna are symbolic to him on a very personal level. He’s walking psychological horror, and he very much represents PSTD, depression and trauma, abuse, suicidal tendencies, etc and these were intentional themes outside of canon, and most of them are things Henry suffered himself in canon.
Things that had an emotional / mental / physical impact on Henry as a human are repeated and projected outwardly through Vecna and Vecna’s “curse” in a highly supernatrual way. I actually have a whole separate post covering a bit more of that because I know the D*ffers referenced a lot of iconic horror media and you cant tell me the Ring and Silent Hill weren't in the reference pile, though that I'll repost later too, lol. Like you said the spiders are obvious but THIS is how the clocks factor into him in my opinion. Like the spiders they mean something to him on a personal level and I do believe theres a lot more to the spiders than just "Henry's favorite animal" as well, which of course, I've ALSO talked about in detail, but everything that meant something to Henry has become very twisted and ominous as Vecna and thats all intentional IMO.
ANYWAY I hope that made sense ! I’m not saying its COMPLETELY canon because as far as things go a lot of stuff is still up in the air and I could be wrong about things, but its what I’ve been reading from canon so far and the approach I've been taking in my writing. In conclusion: Henry/Vecna is not just a senseless monster, he’s the radical leftist activist that turns to terrorism to make the centric protagonists look good: Horror genre edition. Literally he’s the horror genres version of Magneto or Erik Killmonger. ( Theres a reason he's explicitly related to the former in my canon / AUS, because ST also explicitly references X men in canon constantly, like. The aesthetic is real. ) Its a hill I guess I’m gonna have to die on but at least I know JCB is so ready to die on it with me at this point.
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The Mindflayer / Blog canon.
The Mindflayer, in this canon, literally represents "god." Its not necessarily suppose to reflect an "evil counterpart" in universe like satan, for example, its suppose to represent the real actual deal of "god", specifically drawing from depictions of "god" in Christian, Catholic and other similar belief systems. Because I'm maybe a little too comfortable being an insane heretic and blasphemer.
I mentioned before I'm going pretty heavy and hard on the horror aspects of the show and merging my three favorite horror sub genres: Religious horror, Cosmic horror and Sci-fi horror and while I do believe this is very true to the aesthetic the D*ffers are actually going for with the show and a lot of my ideas here are heavily based on my observations and analysis of canon, I cannot say for sure exactly how true any of this is or how much it will actually be reflected or touched upon in canon.
Regardless, whatever the D*ffers do in canon will actually not disturb my own ideas here and I will be keeping my own takes and interpretations intact on this blog. I've also written about all of these things before in a pretty in-depth manner: Things regarding the sources of inspo from the D*ffers and the various religious and mythological parallels in both Henry and the Mindflayer.
The main sources of inspiration for my take on the Mindflayer are: the Leviathan, both the biblical depiction and the depiction of it found in the Hellraiser universe, the Greek Goddess "Khaos" or "Chaos", Azathoth of H.P Lovecraft's works and the concept of "The black/rot" from DC / the Swamp thing universe and OF COURSE the depiction of "the Serpent" found in the DnD universe, specifically the Vecna trilogy from the 2nd Edition of DnD. Other points of inspo are the "Kandarian Demon" from the Evil Dead universe and the "Elder God" of the Legacy of Kain universe.
Copy pasting from my summary of it and my more in depth description of it on my CARRD:
THE SHADOW: As ancient as it is mysterious, a being reigning throughout the heavens and hidden in the crevasses of a world in-between. The source of incredible power, creation and destruction. Growth and rot. The centuries have since forgotten its name and face but never its wrath or design. Humanity has been bound to its shadow, and it thrives within theirs. We too often speak of God's light and grace, but God has never been light nor grace. God has always been dark and savage; a crawling chaos. A supremely powerful entity, in my lore this is the "creator" ━ the progenitor the chaos from which all else comes and which all else will return. The axis, an eater or souls and flesh, a great incomprehensible beast older than the universe we know. "The Shadow" is typically without alignment, however, due to its role in the story and its indifference toward, if not contempt for humanity, it could easily be seen as a highly malevolent force. Throughout all of human existence, the Shadow has prowled and its influence has been felt in various ways. Its insatiable hunger drives it to "meddle" with the affairs of man, causing destruction and death on which it feeds in every corner of the world. Mislabeled as "The Mindflayer" by the children of Hawkins, the creature of DnD's lore that most represents the Shadow is rather known as the Serpent, considered the source of all magic in the DnD universe. Indeed, it is the Shadow who is responsible for the 'magic' of our world and whatever we have known as such throughout human existence. It has been represented by history, myth and religion in various ways, but always as a shadow of its true self and desires.
Hopefully, the inspo's are kind of obvious here but further the Upside Down is representative of both "Hell" but also of "the Garden of Eden". Not just that going a little bit further and well into the Lovecraftian territory and as mentioned on my other blog recently, the Upside Down is also a living organism. Here its heavily suggested to somehow be the inside of the Mindflayer's potential "physcial body" with the "cloud" being representative of the Mindflayer's consciousness / spirit that it is able to psychically project wherever it chooses, including internally and extradimensionally. Another suggestion here is that the Mindflayer exists across multiple dimensions, not just the Upside Down and the "reality" we know and live in.
The Demogorgon and the other demo-creatures are spawned by the Upside Down and are best described as a type of personified immune system of sorts. Despite their various different shapes and sizes, they are all the same "type" of creature. They also more "plant" or even fungus and bacteria-like than they are animalian. * This is something that I'm really not sure about in canon as there are things that seem to contradict it but thats what I'm going with for my canon on this blog.
Outside of the abominable "proxy bodies" the Mindflayer is able to create ━ or force others ━ to create for itself, the "vines" of the Upside Down are typically the Mindflayer's vehicles that allow it to interact with the physical world both internally and externally. Otherwise, it is able to outright possess or simply INFLUENCE human hosts that it's essence comes in contact with. Its also true that every now and then The Shadow will choose itself a human intermediate or 'avatar' to represent itself and its interests in a covert and palatable way. This is currently Henry. Further, another suggestion here is the Mindflayer is somehow behind "mass extinction events" which have been taking place all across the Earth for as long as the Earth has been the Earth.
It should also be noted that Henry and any other character outside of the party doesn't know the Mindflayer and the Upside Down as the Mindflayer and the Upside Down. In the AU verse Henry's never seen the true scope of the Upside Down, its also called the "Otherworld" and "The Dry Land" here. Meanwhile, Henry knows the Mindflayer as simply the "shadow" or "the shape", ( As a Halloween tribute from me )
He's also "recognizes" it as a spider-like creator god. This takes heavy inspiration from various myth that portray spiders as creators of the universe. And also, on the same note, a suggestion here is that the Mindflayer "chose" its spider-y shape due to some of the first life on Earth it bothered to observe being ancient chelicerata, and this is also why spiders serve as earthy avatars for the entity.
( * I need to also mention the fandom kind of took what canon showed us to mean that HENRY forced the spider-shape on the mindflayer, but I actually don't think thats what canon was trying to show us at all given the various sources of the D*ffers inspo AND the fact we were shown Henry drawing very strangely life-like depictions of the mindflayer a good 20 years before he found it. I have spoke about this before too, but If it was something he personally came up with without any outside "influence" it doesn't make sense why he took the time to make his rendition of it appear as "true to life" as it turned out to be.
That is to say young Henry uses charcoal to depict the creatures cloud-like, ashy, particle texturized body as accurately as he could. If this was just a creature from his imagination it seems to be a massive coincidence that it just so happened the creature he later "discovered" in the Upside Down's body was made up of dust/cloud/particles, matching the creature he envisioned from his "imagination" as a child. And I just don't believe that WAS a coincidence or that the MF was suppose to be Henry's "imagination" and not something he was actually seeing / communicating with, especially with other canon factors in mind, particularly his parallels to Will. )
Another thing to mention here is that IN THE AU The Upside Down does NOT look like Hawkins. I'm a firm believer in the idea that Vecna is the one that "reskinned" the UD to look like Hawkins so due to his absence from the UD in the AU this isn't a thing.
The Upside Down very much remains looking like frightening supernatural, alien world. The Shadow doesn't really make contact with humans though "normal" means. For example with Henry is contact with it prior to becoming Vecna was very subconscious. He tended to see it and subconsciously commune with it in dreams and dream-like visions. In this way its more a "presence" and a "feeling" than an actual "thing" and this is typically true of how it interacts with humans in general outside of outright possession.
As a final note, the Shadow doesn't seem to have much in the ways of a "human personality". It is a hungry thing and perhaps the only personality trait we could say it really possesses on its own is "spite". Typically, the Shadow's personality is displayed as a very dark, twisted reflection of whatever human is encountering it or that it is literally possessing ( Which is when things get downright demonic ). That being said, the "negative" aspects of the Shadow's presence outside of possession are usually obscured or conflated with the "subjects" own personality and feelings just enough that the underling malice either goes "unnoticed" or "justified" by the subject, and as a metaphor to "the shadow self ( As is often the case with Henry )
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The Mindflayer analysis / inspirations.
*Ahem*, finally, this is a bit of a big ramble about the Mindflayer, my thoughts of what it is in canon, its relation to Henry / Vecna and my personal take on it and my inspirations for it based on what I think about it in canon.
First of all, to get you up to speed with the basics my post here explains a lot about my view of the Mindflayer and its relationship with Henry in a nutshell. This post is of the utmost importance to this blog and everything on it, so yeah, even though its long its always worth reading. Anyway, going back to season 2 we are told that the Mindflayer is an ancient entity, so old that it doesn’t even know its true home.
We’ve also been told that it believes itself superior to other lifeforms, and that it has a desire to, essentially, destroy the human world, or so far that is the perception of it we’re given in canon.
Its still quite up in the air as to why exactly the Mindflayer wants this and I’m personally leaving the motives and such a little vague beyond some very heavy cosmic and religious horror themes because personally I don't think the MF needs a "reason," particularly not if its in any way the kind of being I personally portray it as.
So in this post I am going to talk about all the things that I think inspire it and that play a factor in my canon.
❝ Something is coming. Something hungry for blood. A shadow grows on the wall behind you, swallowing you in darkness! It is almost here. ❞
Lets start off with the religious undertones. It comes as a surprise to some people but Stranger Things has a lot of themes, motifs and undertones that relate heavily to occultism and esotericism. Season 4 went a little bit harder with this than usual. As a result religion and tropes associated play a part, again particularly in season 4. Henry / Vecna’s entire character can very much be described as a messianic archetype, a type of dark messiah in particular ( Although please note, I don't believe he's suppose to be a 'false prophet'. To the contrary. That's a whole other aesthetic. )
His character can be related to both Jesus Christ and Lucifer, the fallen Angel. Deities such as the goddess Kali of Hindu mythology and the western Baphomet also play a role, and are directly related to him, along with heavy aesthetics drawn from the LHP. Henry and Vecna are kind of a spicy inversion / rebellion against popular religious dogma.
Briefly to touch on this the LHP ( Left hand path ) refers to a kind of category of magical/spiritual/supernatural/religious belief and directly opposing these beliefs is the RHP ( Right hand path ). Almost all magical/spiritual/supernatural/religious beliefs and practices can be separated into one of the two categories. Vodou is an example of a religion considered to be LHP and Christianity is a religion considered to be RHP.
The Right-Hand Path: is commonly thought to refer to magical or religious groups which adhere to a certain set of characteristics: They divide the concepts of mind, body and spirit into three separate, albeit interrelated, entities. They adhere to a specific moral code and a belief in some form of judgement.
The Left-hand Path: those aligned with the left hand path often reject societal convention and the status quo, which some suggest is in a search for spiritual freedom. As a part of this, LHP followers embrace magical techniques that would traditionally be viewed as taboo, for instance using sex magic or embracing Satanic imagery. They often question religious or moral dogma, instead adhering to forms of personal anarchism and they often embrace sexuality.
We can also sum this up with the depiction of certain animals particularly in popular religions in the west such as the existence of the Holy sheep vs the Depraved goat.
Sheep are dependent on their shepherd. They have a reputation for not topping the lists of the most intelligent animals. They trust and depend on their shepherd. Sheep represent a drive to follow a leader unquestionably and even against their own individual interest/safety. This is what makes sheep and lambs holy. Sheep represent collectivism.
Goats on the other hand have a reputation for self-reliance and stubbornness. Goats are most like humans in the sense that they can be solitary if needed, even if they naturally prefer the company of others. Because of this the goat represents rebellion and self empowerment. This is deemed an evil trait. Goats represent individualism.
Collectivism is routinely propagandized as just and pure in comparison to individualism which is directly propagandized as evil and corrupt in contrast. The concept of individualism and ‘difference’ has thus been considered evil and wrong ( left ) while collectivism and ‘similitude’ is promoted as good and just ( right ), and this is something that has been HEAVILY enforced by religions like Christianity as a big example.
And as a result often political and social systems use this as justification for the abominable treatment of anyone that falls outside of “the like-minded heard,” whether the individual is consciously differentiating themselves or was just born with the misfortune of not fitting the designated “normal”
( Gay people, the mentally ill, POC in predominately “white” regions and ND people this particularly applies to ). So its also good to keep in mind that ST is a period piece.
The social and cultural environment we’re shown in the show is very much dominated by right winged conservative religion and politics.
Our heroes, and even our ‘villain’ ( Vecna ) are all people who are on the outside of this as some sort of social outcast or “undesirable” particularly during the time ( Again, non-white, mentally ill, neurodivergent and queer are big features of this ) because the point of Vecna ( which this fandom cannot fucking get, like, its literally shameful at this point ) is not to contrast the protagonists but rather to mirror them.
Vecna is the most extreme version of them, he has essentially become a radical left terrorist with an extreme supernatural buff, keeping everything true to the horror, fantasy and sci-fi genre and aesthetic of the show.
He's Gorr, he's Killmonger, he's Magneto, he's the Red hood, he's Black Adam, he's Spawn, etc, those are character's aesthetically similar to him; not senseless psychopaths who do what they do and believe what they believe because of their own senseless, selfish need for wanton destruction.
Which brings me back into the Mindflayer and the Upside Down. Overall, I'm nearly certain the Mindflayer is a big fat metaphor for the "Shadow" self but with this kind of stuff in mind it probably shouldn’t shock to know that the MF also has some very interesting similarities and perhaps functions to deities and beings found in mythology, specifically western mythology and demonology.
The Upside Down itself is probably more “obvious” but it can easily be related to “hell” or perhaps more accurately to “purgatory” which was canonly referenced by Vecna himself. In season one, the UD was described using the Vale of Shadows:
❝ The vale of shadows is a dimension that is a dark reflection or echo of or world. It is a place of decay and death. A plane out of phase. A place of monsters. It is right next to you and you don't even see it. ❞
━ and the Mindflayer ? The Mindflayer has a lot of uncanny similarities with the Leviathan.
The Leviathan in mythology is often depicted as a giant serpent, a dragon or a multiple headed hydra. ( Also note, Will’s painting shown in season 4 ) This seems to relate to the MF in two ways that I have mentioned in my previous post.
1) A major point of inspiration for the MF and what I truly believe the MF is actually meant to represent is the Serpent in DnD. I think this’ll probably be a kind of revelation / reveal in season 5, tbh. The Serpent in DnD is DnD Vecna’s patron of sorts, but I’ll just copy paste from my other post:
DnD Vecna was once a human, noted to have had a VERY cruel mother, claimed to have been be an evil woman who consorted with monsters, who's cruelty shaped Vecna into who he is in the DnD lore.
As a human he somehow rose to become one of the greatest sorcerers ever known ( presumably through his pact with The Serpent ━ theorized to be an alias of the demon-god Asmodeus by some. The Serpent is depicted in DnD lore as "made of cloud and lightning, snaking down from the sky and whispering into Vecna's ear, telling him the secret of lichdom." ) and in death eventually reached demi-god status as a lich. This was all thanks to The Serpent. We already have some very striking similarities to the MF here, like, be fr.
2) A major inspiration for Vecna himself was Pinhead of the Hellraiser universe. The being that stands behind Pinhead is literally called Leviathan and in a nutshell, Leviathan is a malevolent god from the beginning of time who guides the Cenobites through dreams and visions, however, it is also known to visit humankind in dreams and visions as well as a corrupting influence. Leviathan’s info from the hellraiser universe for emphasis :
Eons ago, when the world was teeming, swirling and sweating life, it continued to swell until it ruptured through the walls it did not know existed, bursting into Hell, giving birth to light and introducing life in that cold dark place.
Leviathan retaliated, grinding and crushing chaotic life even as it tried to spread. But in time, life was again at Leviathan's door, and threatened to overwhelm his realm as green began to cover grey, one world looking more and more like the other. Leviathan recalculated its position and devised a new strategy, and a euclidian design of apocalyptic proportions. Searching across the the world that it despised now more than ever, Leviathan found what it was looking for - mankind.
Leviathan descended to man in his dreams, whispering to him the keys of logic in the secret language of science that could only describe the vision that burned in his mind - of tolls, of machines, of weapons of all things glorious and magnificent. Leviathan showed man how to use these against his world, that he may bring all life around him to its knees, bend it to his will and destroy all that stood in his way. No sooner had he risen from the mud, he reached for his first weapon and laying waste to everything around him, slaughtering his enemies, stealing their skins, as no creature ever had, to drape over his own. The world began to bleed, growing only more silent and more still; withering, waning, dying.
During this time, Hell was once more returned to its perfect order but for Leviathan that was no longer enough. It again visited the dreams of man, choosing well its apostles to set down its gospel. These great apostles laid the foundation for Leviathan's dark design. Eventually, with every foot of concrete steam-rolled over the face of its enemy, with every towering, sky-blotting monolith erected, one world looked more and more like the other.
I feel like this is all very relevant to the ST universe as far as the MF is concerned but it doesn’t stop there. No, the MF has a lot of strange similarities to the ACTUAL leviathan of myth outside of the Hellraiser universe. So heres a scramble of things the MF has in common with the Leviathan and depictions and avatars of it in myth for reference:
We have things such as darkness, chaos, matter and water. These heavily relate to the MF and the UD as shown in the canon of the show. In occultism, water can sometimes represent the idea of “spirit becoming matter”. The MF is made up of dark colored matter, like particles of dust. Matter is energy given form.
We also have the concept of the manifestation of spirit in “matter’ representing evil, which is a whole weird complicated metaphorical thing in some religions but its interesting to note that the MF is depicted in ST as a type of animated matter. We have the fact that moreover this is a dark, fluid mass, likened repeatedly to a 'shadow’.
Canonly, we have relations to drowning and water which seem connected to the UD. Will describes being “possessed” by the Mindflayer as basically feeling like you’re drowning. The imagery used when Eleven finds Heather just before she’s “taken” by it is similar, she’s pulled down through the “water” into the darkness.
This is also laid over top of Will describing the “possession” in that similar way. We also see Eleven waking up in the Upside Down and coughing up water, which there seems to be no physical form for in the UD otherwise and Eleven was no where near water when she transported herself to the UD. The gates are also shown "dripping" as if wet, again despite the UD having no bodies of water present and only one of the gates actually existing in water.
Honestly, there is A LOT OF water symbols/associations particularly with the Upside Down, its kind of intense. I’ve mentioned some things before but in occultism and esotericism water is linked with things like psychic abilities, dreams, visions, other planes, emotions, etc. Water and mirrors have similar associations because of this and mirrors are another big aesthetic theme in the show. (coughshadowselfcough).
Water is also associated with chaos and darkness, in particular the “deep” or the “void”. As we understand it water has a huge role in life and creation but it usually only takes on those positive qualities particularly in mythology when its directly given them by a 'benevolent’ presence.
Otherwise, water is a terrifying, fluid, formless black void of “chaos”. Water is also often depicted acting as a portal and a barrier between our dimension and others in various myth. AGAIN we’ve seen multiple times when characters go through to the UD they cough up water. This was seen with Barb and again El in particular.
Another thing to add is the mindflayer is described often as “a feeling.” I’ve mentioned I think whatever the mindflayer is it has the ability to manipulate emotions for the worst and this is HEAVILY suggested in canon. Again this and many, many other things surrounding the MF, draws heavy reference to the concept of shadow self for me. Which i highly suggest everyone looks into because I think its so damn important to everything and st is very deeply allegorical ( They reference Xmen so damn much for a reason ) but I'll just copy paste some things here for funsies;
"In analytical psychology, the shadow (also known as ego-dystonic complex, repressed id, shadow aspect, or shadow archetype) is an unconscious aspect of the personality that does not correspond with the ego ideal, leading the ego to resist and project the shadow. In short, the shadow is the self's emotional blind spot, projected (as archetypes—or, metaphorical sense-image complexes, personified within the collective unconscious); e.g., trickster. The collective unconscious, through a projective identification with uncertainty and feelings of helplessness, identifies with the figure of the Devil as the "fourth" aspect of the Pauline-Christian trinity, functioning as its grounding myth. For instance, the ancient-Egyptian-devil Set "represents overwhelming affects". The collective shadow is ancestral (i.e., in-group and out-group: dehumanization; e.g., hate crime). The dissolution of the persona and the launch of the individuation process also brings with it "the danger of falling victim to the shadow ... the black shadow which everybody carries with him, the inferior and therefore hidden aspect of the personality" —resulting in a merger with the shadow. The dissolution of the persona and the launch of the individuation process also brings with it "the danger of falling victim to the shadow ... the black shadow which everybody carries with him, the inferior and therefore hidden aspect of the personality" — resulting in a merger with the shadow. "it must be Jekyll, the conscious personality, who integrates the shadow ... and not vice versa. Otherwise the conscious becomes the slave of the autonomous shadow. No one should deny the danger of the descent, every descent is followed by an ascent and assimilation of — rather than possession by — the shadow becomes a possibility."
Moving back to the emotions, the mindflayer feeds on and is drawn to those negative emotions in particular seemingly for this reason. The flayed becoming utterly monstrous when “under control” makes sense because if it amplifies all negative emotions like rage and spite, that would make sense for why the flayed get such an extreme spike in sadism and start behaving very aggressively, in a way that has extremely feral / demonic undertones.
Moreover, when the MF possesses someone, its depicted as its "original form”. It shows up as a raging storm deep inside the possessed party. This storm is full of the possessed persons most painful memories and feelings.
We are shown this with Billy explicitly and I also want to add that Vecna’s mindscape is shown the same way. Vecna’s mindscape is depicted in the exact same way as the “source” inside of Billy, with the significance of this being its where the victim was first infected by the Mindflayer.
For Billy this is obviously the Brimborn steelworks factory. For Vecna its his childhood home. So back to me mentioning the mythological leviathan. All this relates to the Leviathan as well because as I already mentioned the Leviathan is a god of chaos and associated with negative emotions. A storm is symbolization for all of these things - chaos, fear, rage, sadness, etc, and its not strange to see the Leviathan depicted as a massive coiling serpent in a raging sea with a thundering storm overhead.
Again this is all further connected to Levithan in the sense that Levithan is the demon god of water. Further, the MF is a being that prefers the wet and the dark and dry/hot climates are dangerous to it.
Moisture is also something thought to facilitate decay because bacteria responsible for decomp need moisture to thrive, which the MF has also been related to heavily directly in canon. To continue the never-ending similarities we have the fact that its believed the Levithan exists in a realm parallel to the human world that separates the human world from "the world of the divine."
This can relate this to the MF and UD in the sense that UD is a strange plane sitting opposite of the human world which the MF was “found” within. We also have the fact that Leviathan is thought to be responsible for generating all "evil” into the human world.
( Theres a belief that it was the Leviathan that corrupted mankind in myth. In some depictions rather than it being Lucifer that shapeshifted into a snake and offered Eve the apple, it was the Leviathan itself that did this, thus corrupting humanity. ) So yeah, like the element of water that Leviathan rules over, it is associated with “emotions” ( particularly unpleasant ones. )
Now on top of all that, because yeah, it keeps going, we have the fact that Leviathan is heavily associated with the emotion of envy, which is considered to be the most toxic, poisonous emotion of all.
We have the fact that the MF’s presence literally rots and decays things it comes in contact with. We have been canonly shown that when the UD / Vecna / the MF interact with the human world, extreme rot and decay of their surroundings follows. Reference: Vecna's introduction scene with Chrissy, and also Max's confrontation with Vecna at the snowball - further, the entirety of season 2 depicting the rot and decay of the environment where the Mindflayer was making contact.
Envy has long been associated with rot and decay. Envy is also represented by the colour yellow, which is also associated with poison, madness deceit and danger. Green and Yellow are sometimes used interchangeably in this way. The saying “Green with Envy” is probably the most popularized but its a regional thing because “Yellow with Envy” is also correct again depending on region.
Yellow is a repeating colour in Stranger Things and its the particular color we see surrounding the MF when Henry first finds it in the UD. Again yellow is associated with things like poison/madness/envy/filth/rot/danger/deceit. Yellow ( Like green ) is used to represent “bile” and in ye old times an “envious” person was thought to be “filled with bile”.
People stricken with envy were also depicted as pale and looking sick and the MF’s victims / the flayed all look pale and sick. And they’re “rotting.” This was shown with Billy in the sauna scene and this further ties together all the rot/sickness/infection/poison/danger/deceit aesthetics in the MF.
We also have the fact the MF is named the MF after the Mindflayers in DnD which are evil creatures that resemble humanoid octopi. This furthers the MF’s sea creature likenesses.
The Levithan is also called “the great devourer” and “Hellsmouth”. Its depicted as a thing that feasts upon souls and even as a literal gateway to hell. ( Also mentioned before I think the MF takes heavy reference from IT / Deadlights ) There is a lot of strange digestive type of imagery with the way the MF / UD’s presence rots things as if consuming them with the weird slimy shit that appears to represent saliva.
We also have the fact that somehow Vecna’s powers allowed him to not only know how to suck out souls but to actively engage in this and the reason how he knows this and why he does it is still up in the air, though it seems he might be “feeding” the Mindflayer in a way and that's where this came from.
( This could also very much play into DnD Lore regarding liches and their phylacteries but its particularly interesting to note, Vecna, as a lich is different in the sense he doesn't actually seem to have a phylactery. He's unique in this way. Seemingly he has his connection / pact with the Serpent instead. Yeah, see how this also seems to Big Relate to Henry and the MF. )
NOW this is where I need to point out what Nancy claimed to see in the vision of the future Vecna gave her. Nancy talks about: a “dark cloud” spreading over Hawkins ( We know this dark cloud is the most “primitive” form of the MF, essentially. ) But Nancy also talks about “this giant creature… with a gaping mouth” she also says “And this creature wasn’t alone. There were so many monsters. An army.”
The MFs last physical avatar in Hawkins was a horrifying biomass with a huge gaping mouth. Its very likely the MF has another similar body on the horizon. We also know the MF as a collective consciousness does in fact have dominion over a small army of monsters.
This seems to be the role we’ve already confirmed the Demo-creatures to play. They’re the "foot soldiers” as described by the party, just like Vecna is described as the "general”. Again the Leviathan is often identified as the “Hellmouth” in myth which is described as:
A Hellmouth, or the jaws of Hell, is the entrance to Hell envisaged as the gaping mouth of a huge monster, an image which first appeared in Anglo-Saxon art, and then spread all over Europe. It remained very common in depictions of the Last Judgment and Harrowing of Hell.
This digestive imagery is repeated again in how THE THING, a creature of extreme reference in ST ( no really so many scenes in S2 and particularly 3 are direct references to the thing ) is literally a living digestive system that bizarrely doubles as womb, allowing it to replicate its victims which it assimilates into itself. Birthing / rebirth imagery is also present with the MF and the Upside Down, which again links back to the water.
Moreover, the MF is shown to literally 'create’ things. Horrible abominations which are extensions of itself, but its apparently creating “life” none the less. Vecna’s transformed body and form seems to be no exception to this and he claims in canon that the MF made him what he is.
There is the idea of the Levithan being a shapeshifter of sorts and related to things such as possession, and multiple consciousness. The mindflayer has a fluid body that it can change shape, the mindflayer is able to literally invade bodies and apparently can assimilate consciousness within itself hence being known as a 'hive mind’.
Once again as I mentioned I think its interesting how Will’s painting depicts the party facing off against a multiple headed dragon. The Leviathan's size is also suppose to be massive, just like the MFs “full” form is.
Another fun thing to mention is demonologists and witches and such who claim to have some kind of “astral” encounters with the Levithan claim that it is associated with despair, pain, loneliness, isolation, desolation, the sea, and defense.
They say its colour is black and it is a master of shadow work. Furthermore and even more interesting still its thought Levithan’s “domain” is “a desolate and dry land full of steep canyons”
( This is fascinating given the fact Leviathan is a creature of water which feels contradictory and also relates to the MF given it is also a creature that is apparently related to moisture and water but the UD was shown to be a desolate and seemingly "dry" land when Henry found it. Though this being said its likely that the UD was also very dark save for the light from the MFs own storming body and also extremely cold, and cold and dark also seem to be extremely important here. )
I personally think there's way too many weird similarities here to be coincidental but they don’t end here. As mentioned, Vecna and Henry himself is be related to this same kind of biblical imagery not just as ‘the devil’ but as the messiah and the prophet, in a vaguely inversion anti-christ kind of way.
This goes back to Henry’s childhood and his time in the Creel house. Vecna’s visions to Nancy show something strange going on in the Creel house and Henry being the one to notice and be most affected by it. ( Again this is a bit more detailed in the headcanon / analysis linked on my pinned, also linked above )
In a nutshell: Nancy’s entire vision of Henry’s childhood given to her by Vecna shows us a boy who saw something no one else did. It starts with little Henry curiously walking through the halls of his house, seemingly following the strange behaviors of the lights in the house ( Season 1 call back ). We’re then shown little Henry finding a nest of black widow spiders in a vent. This leads to little Henry being drawn to the attic, where he strangely erects a shrine to the spiders.
Laid over top of this we have Adult Henry explaining that he found a “new sense of purpose” and then directly relates the spiders to “gods”. This is odd, but it continues. Henry speaks of the “Human world” disrupting something’s harmony, the harmony of the spiders that he has already called gods which clues as to the fact that Henry isn’t talking about the “human world” vs the “animal world” as some people perceived because Henry isn’t talking about spiders as animals at all.
He’s talking about them literally as gods and so he’s talking about something else, something cosmic and divine which the spiders serve as an avatar for. There is a LOT of further foreshadowing to this in Victor’s flashback as well which is suggesting what we’re going to see in season 5 but anyway ━ we’re also aware that this is miraculously where Henry is given his powers. Henry’s powers came from this house and his “connection” with whatever was in it.
But I need to pause real quick and talk about Rose Red. A miniseries by Steven King which while its never been mentioned, I'm sure the D*ffers took inspo from surrounding season 4 and the Creel house, This hasn't been mentioned by anyone in the fandom before either but then they have no idea how anything actually relates to the show so no one is surprised.
In summary, Rose Red is a mansion that is "Alive", ( My depiction of Henry getting the book called "the living house" about insects and small animals is a nod to this btw ) it is highly supernatural and malevolent and whats more is it, or whatever evil unseen entity resides in the mansion begins to "favour" a young autistic psychic called "Annie" who likes to draw.
Its also heavily suggested that the house or the "evil entity" within the house gave Annie and the other psychics their powers. It also seems to be using Annie as a medium at times and is known for creating visual and auditory illusions to fuck with its victims.
Might I also mention the Creel House's defining aspect in the show being the red stained glass rose on the door and you know, various other references to roses and plants. In Greek and Eypitan myth, roses are related to things that are "hidden" or Secret, with the saying "sub rosa" or "beneath the rose' coming from this. So this is also relevant to the MF and the upside down but I'll come back to this.
Henry’s connection with the MF entity can be kind of related to The Father ( God = The mindflayer, the creator ) The Son ( Jesus = Henry, the created ) and the Holy Spirit ( Vecna = the result and the action. ) or “the Father who begets, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds”
Hawkins has already headed into ruin and this can be depicted as a type of Apocalypse both in its popular depiction as ‘the end of the world’ but also as its literary depiction as:
“a literary genre in which a supernatural being reveals cosmic mysteries or the future to a human intermediary. The means of mediation include dreams, visions and heavenly journeys.
Henry would have been the human intermediary here, and so would Nancy, given Nancy is the one Vecna chose to receive his ‘vision’ of Hawkin’s future destruction. We also have the “Last judgement” referenced along side the Hellmouth depicted in art like:
The saved are led up to heaven, often shown as a fortified gateway, while the damned are handed over to devils who herd them down into hell on the right; the composition therefore has a circular pattern of movement. Often the damned disappear into a Hellmouth, the mouth of a huge monster.
The strange biblical references are everywhere though, including when Henry is originally sent to the Upside Down. This draws reference to depictions of Jesus discovering the devil and is tempted by him in the desert depicted often in the temptation of Christ. The Upside Down or whatever this is, being depicted at this stage as a huge, baron wasteland, much resembling a desert and for this reason deserts are often thought of and portrayed as “cursed lands”.
Not only that, but Henry can be heavily related to the Azazel Goat, considered to be origins of the “scapegoat”, which Henry also represents particularly as a child but essentially: Henry is cast into the Upside Down upon being judged as “evil” by a naïve Eleven, due to his righteous rebellion which simultaneously draws reference to Lucifers fall from heaven and Lucifer himself is often thought of as the original scapegoat. Like the shits unending guys.
To continue, we’re also aware that the D*ffers took a lot of inspo from the works of H.P Lovecraft which I think is also quite obvious and my favrioute shit ever. As a result, thats a major place I like to take inspo from as well and I heavily relate the MF to the entity known as Azathoth and Vecna on a slightly lesser extent to Azathoth’s avatar, Nyarlathotep. Azathoth is a powerful “outer god” ( meaning it exists between dimensions ) said to have created the multiverse, the nameless mist, and darkness.
Typically, Azathoth is thought of as so powerful that the “Great Old Ones” can’t destroy him, instead they can only put him in a sleep like state. Also due to Azathoth’s constant “dream-like” state, Azathoth mostly interacts with things in a semi-subconscious, psychic manner. Because of this, it tends to have a “demon servant/messenger”, its own “son,” a fellow ‘outer-god’ who sometimes ALSO manipulates Azathoth in return:
“ Azathoth is sometimes portrayed as being similar to Lucifer from Christian theology, warring against the Elder Gods and being rendered blind and witless by them before being banished from creation by their magic. At some point in the future after the second coming of Nyarlathotep, Azathoth and his armies will return and all of the entire creation will be destroyed. Despite being mindless, Azathoth does have a will of his own and commands his messenger and avatar, Nyarlathotep.
“Nyarlathotep is an evil Outer God who is seen as a shapeshifting agent of madness, chaos and ruin who serves the other Outer Gods, specifically his father, Azathoth, the Blind Idiot God, to whom he is subservient, fulfilling his wishes without question as his messenger and emissary, though he sometimes enjoys manipulating his master.
Some assert that the Daemon Sultan was not always an Idiot Chaos; instead, he lost his intellect and body in a great intercosmic battle, in which he may have been thrust entirely outside this dimension. Lovecraft referred to Azathoth in “The Whisperer in Darkness” (1931), where the narrator relates that he “started with loathing when told of the monstrous nuclear chaos beyond angled space which the Necronomicon had mercifully cloaked under the name of Azathoth”.
Beside the reasons discussed above this relates to the MF to me given AGAIN its suggested the MF psychically communed with Henry in his childhood and is suggested to be the source of his power and could have possibly subconsciously coached him given Henry suddenly seemed to know things it feels odd for the little boy in the 50s from a seemingly ‘upstanding’ middle-upper class white Christian house hold to be knowing.
And as I’ve also mentioned in other headcanons, I think there could be a parallel here to when Will is possessed by the Mindflayer in season 2 where he talks about how he suddenly knows things, things that he didn’t know before but he doesn’t know how he knows them. I imagine Henry encountered a similar phenomenon when he was linked to the Mindflayer entity in his childhood, which may have even came with similar visions of it to what Will had.
Henry is also shown to “shape” the “formless chaos” of the MF into a more comprehensible and pleasing form, although whether or not this was Henry’s idea exclusively or possibly more subconscious suggestion from the MF isn’t entirely clear given Henry’s weirdly accurate childhood drawing and the other things I detailed about Nancy’s Vecna vision / Henry’s childhood scenes.
None the less, Vecna could certainly be seen as the MF’s ‘avatar,’ its right hand, its will, its messenger, its general, the once human intermediary.
On the flip side, the MF as the source of Henry’s power and the “MEANS” for his transformation from human to lich-demi-god is also his vehicle for his “revenge” against the world that wronged him so terribly and so repeatedly. So in this way their relationship to very symbiotic and not one sided at all, nor the behavior of a single intelligent consciousness as the fandom seems to have brought for whatever reason.
I also think the descriptions of “nuclear” relates to the MF in the sense that its probably likely we can consider the MF as the “center” of the Upside Down and the “hub” of the hive-mind, the central MOST IMPORTANT part of “the group”, forming the basis for its activity and growth, just like an actual nucleus.
And IF Henry is the “brain” perse, then I think it can be inferred that the MF is, in this way, “the heart” and both are playing near ‘equal’ roles in the body of the UD and its invasion into Hawkins.
( Although I think these rolls could easily be swapped depending on how you define them. Personally, i would probably say Vecna is more the heart, given his human connections while the Mindflayer would be more the brain, the thing that ultimately controls everything. )
Because once again, I think its worth noting the suggestion found in Will’s painting that the big bad the party are facing off against is a beast with MORE THAN ONE HEAD. The multiple headed hydra dragon.
In conclusion, as far as headcanon goes for me right now, yeah, the MF heavily represents Azathoth and is heavily inspired by it so thats a thing that factors into my writings and HCs. I don’t refer to it as Azathoth directly, but it is sometimes referred to as a ‘blind god’ and other similar aesthetics but most often we just call it "the Shadow" like canon does because thats mad juicy. I also refer to it as "the shape" at times too in homage to the Holloween Universe and the ferences to it in canon.
On the topic of inspirations though, TO ADD TO THIS, I feel extremely compelled to also mention that SWAMP THING was another big source of inspiration for Vecna and this is also canon from the D*ffers. In SWAMP THING we learn about various cosmic / elemental energy forces who select human avatars to do their bidding.
These cosmic forces are typically portrayed as super intelligent HIVE MINDS, and while SWAMP THING himself is the Avatar of “The Green” another cosmic force and hivemind of the Swamp Thing / DC universe is “The Black” or “The Rot”, which has ridiculous similarities to The Mindflayer.
In particular the physical embodiment of The black/The Rot” is displayed as a black energy cloud thundering with red lighting hovering over a pit of decay, a scene nearly identical to the scene in season 4 when Henry discovers the Mind Flayer in the UD.
Beside this ? I think its also worth mentioning the universe of the Evil Dead. I personally take inspo from the Evil dead, particularly the entity known as the ��Kandarian Demon ( Depicted as an extremely powerful, evil cloud-like entity that has also been likened to some from of Azathoth ) and the Deadites, which, honestly, carry strong similarities to the flayed f or me given they are humans and other creatures who have been heavily possessed/corrupted by the 'evil' of the Kandarian demon and the "hive mind" the "evil" functions and presents as.
However, lets now talk about the upside down and my thoughts on that. Warning, if you thought I was insane before, its getting worse from here !
Back to the "roses". There is repeated imagery in the Creel's house of flowers / plants, again most obviously the symbolic front door is the stained glass rose, but we also see floral and rose patterns on other things like cushions and such, and we've already had the Mindflayer and its bizarre physical manifestations ( The vines, the spores, the weird bulbs, etc ) related to plants and "flowers" on more than one occasion.
What do I think this means ? Well, I can't say for certain but basically I'll just cut right to it: I think the entire upside down is some kind of living thing and thats what I've been going with in my personal writings.
AND I KNOW THIS SOUNDS CRAZY. But the other thing that is very noticeable about The Upside Down to me is that it has disturbing digestive properties once again something the D*ffer brothers have made sure to reference in just about every fucking season in some way with multiple homages and even having characters talk about it directly is The Thing.
If you're not a massive horror fan or big nerd like me you might not know exactly how that's relevant or might just think yeah haha alien monster BUT NO the significance here is "the thing" is a fragment of a cosmic entity who A) Started out life looking like a spider, and spiders / spider webs are another massively symbolic thing here, B) is suggested to be part of a larger organism and C) assimilates other organisms into itself creating a type of "hivemind", its body is literally a digestive system that disturbingly doubles as a womb which is how its able to 'replicate' its victims.
So we have that.
Now put that with how the UD "rots" whatever it comes in contact with. Almost like its digesting it. Further put that with how much imagery in the Upside Down calls reference to a living organism. ( The capillary-like growths, which can also appears web-like, the weird saliva like slime, the production of spores, etc ) and how often the UD and the mindflayer have been related to things like infection and bacteria more than once. And how a lot of this relates to things like mould.
In fact, just about everything in the UD can resemble some type of mould. It also appears to have sporocarp properties would actually explain the ""eggs"" from season one, which could literally be "fruit" from the fruiting body.
Typically, mould is a living thing, its fungi and for a long time fungi was classified as a type of plant due to its behaviors and characteristics. I don't know where the Duffers are going to go with this exactly BUT PERSONALLY this makes the most sense to me and is where I'm going with it in my writing, leaning very heavily into the eldritch horror aesthetic.
The Shadow, or the Mindflayer, is its nucleus, in a bizarre, metaphysical type of way. Now for the demo-creatures ? They could go two ways here. One being they're the natural defense system of the UD, kind of like a freaky immune system, or the other being they were invading 'pests' that were 'tamed' to be used as a defense system.
The reason for the second interpretation is that they seem to be hostile toward Vecna in the VR game but this isn't shown in canon so far and we don't know if the VR game is gonna be considered actual canon. That being said, they could have simply perceived Vecna as a threat in the beginning as a "foreign entity" until they realized he was... "Meant" to be there, so to speak.
And while we don't know if this is gonna be reflected in canon it does play a part in my canon because it not only explains how the UD came to mirror Hawkins but it also explains why Vecna himself wasn't present for the first 2-3 seasons.
We've already had it explained to us that psychics like Eleven and Henry are like batteries and they can exhaust themselves. The VR game seems to show Vecna "shaping" the UD as Hawkins. If Vecna reshaped an entire dimension, which yeah, I'm sorry but no one else could do that and fandom's Will theory is stupid because do I love Will ? Yes ! But do I believe he has powers anywhere near that caliber ? No !
Further, its pretty obvious Will's powers are his perception of the hivemind, moreover, the UD looked like Hawkins when Will got there after Henry, yet it didn't look like Hawkins when Henry got there before Will. Like come on, its obvious who influenced the appearance of the UD. But yeah, anyway, after that Vecna probably needed a rest.
Which would also explain why Vecna literally tells Eleven that basically the reason he's around and could open his own gates is because of her power being absorbed by the Mindflayer proxy in season 3, which was apparently transferred to Vecna, restrengthening him or awakening him or whatever you want to say. And this also calls back to Will explaining that Mindflayer only "activates" its "victims" when it "needs" them.
Since I love being crazy though as you can already tell, I've decided I'm not waiting for the D*ffer brothers to confirm anything so if they blunder this I wont be as annoyed if I just lay claim to the crazy and just go off doing my own shit which is what I'm doing so
I'VE gone ahead and confirmed a few things myself for my canon which might end up separated from the d*ffers canon depending on how they handle things, ( but so far I gotta say things are looking good ) as detailed in this post.
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Henrys birthday / March symbolism.
To start off I'm sure I've mentioned it a million times before but March is a "special" month in Hawkins according to me. Not only is it the month of Henry's birthday, but its the month the Creel's officially moved to Hawkins. This is how I'm explaining the repeating theme of March in the Stranger things canon.
( Including Will's birthday, Billy's birthday, and the entirety of Season 4 beginning in March and, as an update, I think its very interesting that the reveal about the stage play being focused on Henry's childhood was announced in March, right on my birthday actually ! The March theme specifically surrounding Henry continues ! Not to mention they're calling it "The first Shadow," I do stay winning. )
I don't know how canon is going to explain any of that, if its not just a coincidence, but since I'm insane and I love creating patterns and symbolism I've already decided to go a little nuts with it and so here are some more thoughts on that: I'm putting the date the Creel's officially moved into the house in Hawkins as March 2nd, because thats my birthday and I'm allowed. Henry's birthday is March 8th, which is also when Henry had his first "encounter" with "The Shadow" (The Mindflayer.)
So again, march 22nd is Will's birthday and in my headcanon, also the day Henry discovered his extreme psychic abilities, and March 29th, which is Billy's birthday, is the day Henry killed his mother and sister. Thats their symbolic importance to him.
Something else I also mentioned in other posts is the fact that Stranger Things, particularly Season 4, drew a lot of inspo from Western / Christian mythology and my insane provocative to mirror this and this is no different. March and April tend to be thought of as significant months therein because of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, March being the preparation for Jesus' resurrection and April being the month in which that took place. I'm mirroring this with Henry in March as the period where Henry encounters the MF and develops his powers and April being the month when Brenner kidnaps Henry and he wakes up from his "coma" in Brenner's care.
I also think I mentioned this once before in passing but I wanted to mention it again: In my headanon the one and only time Henry was ever actually “diagnosed” with anything, despite having a long history of difficulties with school and thus repeated doctor’s consultations, was after moving to Hawkins, fairly late into the month, maybe more around the middle, after Henry's encounter with the MF. They diagnosed him with childhood schizophrenia. Obviously this was a misdiagnosis but it was the 50s and it was common for ASD to be misdiagnosed this way back then.
That being said, one of the big factors in Henry’s diagnosis was his “strange thinking” and “unusual perceptions.”
If you’ve read my post here, you know I have a running theory that the being known as the Mindflayer by the party ( Who I perceive to be the Stranger Things version of The Serpent from DnD ) was able to “commune” with Henry long before he ever got to the Upside Down thanks to Henry’s latent psychic abilities and this was what really woke those abilities up and certainly amplified them in a way we haven’t seen with any other psychic character in the series. ( Once again, look up DnD Vecna and “The Serpent” from DnD, I promise it all makes perfect sense )
In my headcanon Henry kind of... Did try to express to his parents what he was “experiencing” but of course this was extremely difficult for him because unlike Will, Henry’s environment wasn’t a loving, open, accepting one. Henry’s mother didn’t believe him or take him seriously on anything and this was a pre-established thing which made it hard for Henry to actually try to communicate anything with his family in the first place. He was seen as suffering delusions and mental illness.
No, He didn’t really know how to explain it as a 12 year old boy, but most pressingly the knowing that no one would understand or even want to understand or believe him meant Henry was withdrawn, defensive, deflective and standoffish even if he really did want to talk to his family and be “more cooperative” with them, so to speak. On top of this, Henry found himself frustrated by his family's “superstitions” particularly when his own attempts to explain things where thought of with such concern.
Victor was the only one who gave Henry any heed, especially as Victor himself felt something was wrong, but even then Henry wasn’t taken very seriously by the family at large and again, a lot of the goings on of the house were blamed on a “demon” which Henry had a lot of contempt for given he knew a lot of the things in the house that were upsetting his family were somehow coming more from him and his anger with them, but he couldn’t really explain how or why he suddenly knew the things he did or could do the things he could do, or could see the things he could see.
In his retelling in the show, Victor explicitly confirms that he could see “[Henry] knew something was wrong.” And we also know Victor went to the EXTENT of having an exorcist preformed on the house, also confirming Victor himself both believed Henry and knew something wasn't right either.
When Will is “possessed” by the Mindflayer in season 2, he talks about how he suddenly knows things, things that he didn’t know before but he doesn’t know how he knows them. I imagine Henry encountered a similar phenomenon when he was subconsciously linked to the Mindflayer in his childhood. Henry began to know things he couldn’t explain and he did “SEE” the Mindflayer cloud in dreams / visions as well.
None the less, Henry's “diagnosis” at the back end of all this was the big factor in his mother getting into contact with Brenner, who at the time was labeled a leading “expert” in the “human mind” as back in the 50s, neurodivergence and mental illness was not well understood and due to the societal and political climate, particularly in the US, Virginia saw institutionalizing Henry as the “best option”.
WHICH brings me to a post I made last night that I'm going over really quick because I think its relevant. There is a lot of supernatural repetition in Vecna's "curse" and his behaviors. He often repeats moments on his trauma, projecting them onto this victims who then live them too, and the scene with Max in the Piggy Back episode seems to be an INCREDIBLY interesting instance of this. Why ? Because Vecna says this:
❝ Is that ... All true ? You wanted Billy to die? You ever have thoughts like that about me ? Normal people don't fantasize about killing other people, Max. You realize that, right? I thought you were getting better - but you're not, are you? You are sick. Maybe it is good he takes you. Maybe its for the best. In fact, I'm glad its going to be you. You will be the chosen one. The Fourth. The final sacrifice! Its going to be you that BREAKS THE WORLD. ❞
Now let me just direct you all back to the scene with Will and Joyce in season 2 when Will begins to explain the thoughts he's having and the things he can see after being "contacted" by the Mindflayer. He begins to talk about killing people and people dying, and the horrible things he's seeing.
Joyce reassures him and protects him, like a good mother would - but you know who has been HEAVILY suggested to have NOT had a good mother, and instead, canonly described his mother as hating him and who seemed to just want to blame him ? Who just wanted her son "taken away" by a doctor to be "fixed" ? And thus would have ultimately sacrificed him to maintain her ideal of normal, happy family ? Henry. Who is the one who has actually been "chosen" to "Break the world" ? Henry. I heavily feel like what Vecna said to Max as Lucas was yet another clue about what happened to him as a child and what is ultimately going on in the plot.
More than that, the way he explicitly called Max a "sacrifice" is interesting, particularly when you put it with the scene in season 3 when flayed!Billy, who is widely believed to have been under the control of Vecna at the time, which I do agree with, incapacitates Eleven and instead of just killing her he goes to the effort of taking her to the mindflayer's Proxy body and offering her to it, as if an act of propitiation.
And we also had a previous scene of Flayed!Billy, talking to Flayed!Heather, in which SOMEHOW Flayed!Heather knows who Eleven is and Flayed!Billy is furious because she bested him and he could have been killed so Flayed!Heather has to reassure him that "they'll" win. Interesting shit to think about there. Like, this isn't ONE single entity speaking through the flayed, its apparently TWO and they're having a whole conversation with each other.
Anyway ! With that aside, on to that old Astrology crap copy-pasted from my original post on it back when:
Basically I’m giving Henry a birthday and instead of being a normal person and just saying the the date and fucking off I’m gonna be a crazy person make it too deep. I decided he’s sharing the same month as Will ( March ) and I’m pretty sure I’m going to go with the date of the 8th because it is parallel to Will’s birthday of the 22nd. ( I know the D*ffer brother’s seem to be planning to change this bc they forgot but idc ) It also makes Henry a Pisces which is very sexy to me as both a fellow Pisces and someone who loves filling shit with meta and symbolization because I’m insane like that.
Pisces, a water sign, is the last constellation of the zodiac. It's symbolized by two fish swimming in opposite directions, representing the constant division of Pisces's attention between fantasy and reality. As the final sign, Pisces has absorbed every lesson — the joys and the pains, the hopes and the fears — learned by all of the other signs. This makes these fish the most psychic, empathetic, and compassionate creatures of the astrological wheel. With such immense sensitivity, Pisces can easily become swallowed by emotions and must remember to stay grounded in the material realm. Pisces is ruled by Neptune, the celestial body that governs creativity and dreams, and these ethereal fish adore exploring their boundless imaginations. In its more nefarious form, however, Neptune also oversees illusion and escapism. Neptunian energy is like the energy of the ocean: magical, mysterious, and often scary. When the fog is thick on the water, the horizon is obstructed and there is no differentiation between the sea and the sky. A mutable sign, Pisces effortlessly adapts to their surroundings. These visionary fish have unparalleled access to the collective unconscious through their clairvoyance and make incredible artists and creatives.
In my big fat opinion this all fits who I perceive Henry to have been as a human. And it also works as a very tasty dark mirror of what Henry becomes as Vecna. Which is particularly spice given the Mindflayer itself is clearly a metaphor to the Shadow self and I have talked about this a few times before. I’ve always hated the popular depiction of Pieces as people tend to only focus on the preposed "sensitive, shy, artistic traits," and no one ever focuses on the terrifying depth of a Pisces or the devastation that can be done by having both the most expansive imagination and the most refined ability to perceive and understand other people’s emotions or insecurities. Like I really gotta be out here doing everything myself.
There is a frightening duality of the Pisces and the two fish swimming in opposite directions can also draw parallels to the yin and yang. The Pisces being represented by water is suited in the amount of forms water can take. Most people view water as gentle and healing. However, water can be as fiercely destructive as any other element. The form of a clear stream, an inviting lake, a refreshing shower and gentle waves can easily become a raging river, a dark ocean, a violent storm and a devastating tsunami. We’ve seen this very duality from Henry, and Vecna is his shadow self; the darkest most monstrous version of him in physical form.
Henry’s status as the first test subject, the oldest and the most powerful also fits well with the Pieces being considered the last and most mature of the zodiac on different ends of a spectrum, with Henry also being the first and oldest test subject, representing the beginning and end. The Alpha and Omega, so to speak. I’m sure I don’t have to go into all the spicy symbolism of Pisces being linked to alternative dimensions and being a traveler and a link to said dimensions because I think thats damn obvious. Same to be said about the representation of dreams and illusions.
I also think its very funny that Venca / Henry had an early design phase where he was heavily based on fish and water. I’ve personally always had the water relations in my portrayal because thats just how he’s hittin me but this further links some things together really nicely.
Lastly the dual fish are often considered to be a symbol to a Pisces soul considered to be in two pieces. We can again draw this back to the yin-yang aesthetic but I’m intending it entirely to represent how Henry is clearly an inverted parallel to Will and how they are “linked.” To me I also draw from the aesthetic of Silent hill and Alessa and Cheryl, again with Alessa being the dark mirror of Cheryl and the two being soul-connected. Alessa the dark half and Cheryl the light half.
With Henry and Will I see this linking of “souls” or whatever to have taken place through the mindflayer, who previously to infecting Will had merged with Henry. Since Will’s abduction and apparent “resurrection” he’s shown some type of psychic ability, which seems to have come from whatever “”part”” of Henry was in the mindflayer and invaded Will creating this weird connection they have through Wills ability to perceive the "hivemind". ( We also literally saw human Henry was VERY similar to Will particularly in terms of being sensitive, artistic “loners.” )
Metaphorically, I get the sense the mindflayer’s dark influence is suppose to represent hatred, abuse and pain, rejection, isolation and essentially a caution about the perils of someone experiencing trauma without a support network, allowing negative emotions and suffering to corrupt someone’s soul which is very symbolic to Henry/Vecna, while Will parallels and inverts this as someone who is also a societal outcast and a minority, etc, but unlike Henry he had a support group, this didn’t let the darkness win or rather he wasn’t driven toward it and was instead pulled away from it.
Side note: If the mindflayer is sentient and I believe it is, yes, I view it as something that “preyed” on Henry due to being an outcast and yes, it is using him but at this point he’s using it just as much.
Their relationship is both parasitic and symbiotic, which seems to be a contradiction but we’re dealing with over-powered psychics, alternative hellish dimensions and eldritch entities here, so far its working out for them but I def wouldn’t say all of this has been most beneficial to Henry. I mean ... look at him. But yeah, I have a whole bunch of crazy thoughts on the MF and how it functions to me that I'm not covering here because those are different posts.
Anyway, Henry and Will also share the aesthetic of wizardry and ‘returning from death’; Will as the “Zombie boy “ and his Dnd character being a Cleric and Henry as “Vecna” the all-powerful demi god-lich.
I’ve spoke about Henry’s parallels to DnD’s Vecna before as well as mentioned the likeness of the Mindflayer to both the “elder brain” of the Dnd mind-flayers and the “Serpent” associated to DnD Vecna, but to paste from Dnd beyond in regard to the Cleric:
Clerics are intermediaries between the mortal world and the distant planes of the gods. As varied as the gods they serve, clerics strive to embody the handiwork of their deities. No ordinary priest, a cleric is imbued with divine magic. Divine magic, as the name suggests, is the power of the gods, flowing from them into the world. Clerics are conduits for that power, manifesting it as miraculous effects. The gods don’t grant this power to everyone who seeks it, but only to those chosen to fulfill a high calling. Harnessing divine magic doesn’t rely on study or training. A cleric might learn formulaic prayers and ancient rites, but the ability to cast cleric spells relies on devotion and an intuitive sense of a deity’s wishes. Clerics combine the helpful magic of healing and inspiring their allies with spells that harm and hinder foes. They can provoke awe and dread, lay curses of plague or poison, and even call down flames from heaven to consume their enemies. For those evildoers who will benefit most from a mace to the head, clerics depend on their combat training to let them wade into melee with the power of the gods on their side.
This kinda fits everything about Will and Henry having a soul-link connection through some “divine” other-wordily force. Henry is linked to the mind-flayer entity and so is Will, so Will is also linked to Henry, meaning the three of them are joined in weird psychic soul-bond horror and the existence of the "hivemind."
Also If Will’s birthday remains the 22nd ( and it should ! ) he is an Aries, the “first” sign of the zodiac which adds further parallels to, and is repeatedly symbolic to the “beginning” and “end” as I've said. ( Will being the beginning, everything “starting” with his abduction in the first ep and Henry being the “end,” introduced last in the recent season and will be what the series ends with, as well as with the last season ending around Will just as the first season began around Will, like you see where I'm at with all this fhjdkfg. )
Aries is also a fire sign, opposite of Pisces as a water sign. Will is heavily related to fire in the canon of the show and I like that because I think its about time the water-element gets to be the mean, “evil” one and the fire-element gets to be the nice, “good” one bc the inverse of that is beat to hell as a trope, evil water-people represent.
Some people do argue that Henry/Vecna/the MF is represented by fire as well but nah bruh, fire, light, heat: they all harm the MF, Henry was set alight with Molotov's for a reason, the MF and by extension Henry are dark, shadowy and MOIST and thats a fact, quite literally, source: the damp squelching sound effects and the need the ST make up crew had to be constantly redosing Jamie in lube as Vecna to keep the slimy affect of his skin.
Basically Henry ( As Vecna ) is a perilous bog, a shadow, cold and dark while Will is the light and warmth, a torch and a cleansing flame. Henry/Vecna is the curse and Will is the cure. And thats my essay on that and I HOPE the duffers and ST writers go as hard with this as I think they should.
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Henry's childhood / Flash backs analysis.
Ok so, below is an analysis I wrote on Henry's childhood scenes after I was tagged in a post from someone in the fandom who was looking at Nancy's flashback scene and trying to puzzle together why Henry kept being shown in different clothes - in a nutshell anyway, I'm not adding the weirdo shit about Virginia that I'm not even gonna repeat because its repulsive and this fandom needs help and needs to leave Henry / Vecna the fuck alone with their freak shit and put some respect on his name already, but anyway my takes are big brained and correct so here we go :
In regard to the post you tagged me in: I am actually am gonna probably be boring and predictable here and say I don’t think it means Henry’s hiding anything at least not about his mother and while you know I came out here with the whole "Virginia’s cheating" thing and believe that is canon and MIGHT be addressed somehow next season, yeah I don’t think those scenes relate to anything about Virginia – they’re all about HENRY himself. I think we were meant see that basically Henry started getting… Really weird during his time in the Creel house. Like concerningly weird, like there is way more going on here than we know weird. ( If that makes sense. ) I think the scenes in question are suppose to show us that for whatever reason Henry was collecting up spiders and scurrying his little ass up to the attic where he kept a weird little shine to them and this has significance. Loving spiders is one thing, but this entire set up and the things Henry says about them is suppose to clue us into other things going on that we cant be told or explicitly shown at this time.
For me its suppose to highlight his unusual behaviors and how he didn’t go into that house acting that weird. Not in the normal realms of just an autistic kid who really likes spiders but the ‘abnormal’-weird STARTED in that house.
Also side note, I think Henry’s weird and secretive about this not just for the fact this is just weird in general but he probably doesn’t want his parents to know that he’s chilling out with about 5 jars of black widow spiders and thats something hes doing - going around collecting these spiders and keeping them. Those are dangerous, I’d probably stop my kid from jarring them up and playing with them too and I don't think adult Henry could fully explain everything to Eleven in the scene with them. ( Maybe he didn’t even know how to explain it himself, which is kind of what I think. )
This also kinda goes back to the scene in Victors memory for me and why Victor's flashbacks are directly paralleled with Nancy's Vecna vision here. We get the intentional impression that Henry was pretty much instantly “affected” by the house. Victor notes Henry “knew something was wrong.” Thats how he described Henry’s behaviors shortly after they moved in which tells me that Henry either TOLD THEM something was wrong or he behaved differently shortly after getting to the house and this seems to line up because we are shown this.
We’re shown when the Creels first arrived at the house everyone seems pretty happy, this looks and feels totally normal, a family excited to arrive at their awesome new home. When they’re shown walking in the front door for the first time everyone is looking pretty pleased and in awe but suddenly Henry starts looking troubled. The scene with little Henry and the weird thing with the lights in Victor’s memory seems to take place not long after this ( maybe a day or two ? ) because in the background we can see Henry is sitting surrounded by a bunch of boxes. This is presumably the belongings of the family because they were still in the process of unpacking. Now this is probably all headcanon but I’m mentioning it anyway because it seems like Victor also got pretty suss of the house pretty quick because he took the time to explain HENRY perceived something was wrong and he noticed that.
We do also know from canon it was VICTOR that took it upon himself to get a literal priest to exercise the house. I feel like thats a big thing to do, keeping in mind that this is the 50s, people would be AFRAID of looking "insane" and moreover the Creel's ONLY lived in the house for ONE MONTH max. ( So it seems like Victor was the only one that wanted to heed whatever Henry told them or just took the time to actually acknowledge his sons discomfort and think that was important, while I feel like Virginia probably shut it down as nothing and interpreted it all as just Henry trying to ruin things for them particularly before the “visions” start and those don’t start until way closer to the murders. And even then, it seems like Virginia didn't want to blame anyone except Henry and Henry does explain she literally hated him. — Personally I think this all kinda mirrors season 2 in a way when Will was infected by the MF and he very quickly started acting odd but he had a mother who actually cared, took notice, and tried to help in a better way than deciding to throw her kid in the looney bin and blame him for everything bc fuck him. )
We also saw Victor noting the attic stair door open and feeling compelled to go up there but during this time there is no trace of Henry up there, its just a bunch of old stuff that I PERSONALLY don’t think even belonged to Victor and his family. I think a majority of the shit up there was left there from whoever lived there before because we know they didn’t live there long enough for everything to be looking that dusty and old, and there's just some weird things up there like a pram and a piano. ( Again, they only lived in the house for a month and canon does tell us this. )
So we can probably assume due to Henry’s lack of appearance up here at this time Victor’s inspection of the attic was fairly close to the time the Creels moved in, maybe after the first weird light scene with Henry. But, anyway, for some reason Victor got the weird idea to go up to that particular spot and look around. He was compelled to do this which is very odd. He also – for some reason – mentions that the “demon” he could “feel” had cursed not JUST their house but the entire town. Its odd that he chose to mention the entire town. Where did he get this info ? Why would this be said if it wasn’t meant to clue us into something more than we could currently be shown in these scenes or maybe in this season itself ? Its 100% foreshadowing something because we already know theres a special connection with Hawkins and the UD.
It wouldn’t be hard to imagine that Henry, a “sensitive boy” who was able to develop such incredible psychic powers, specifically from his time in that house, was also drawn to the attic and whatever was up there – whatever feeling, whatever essence – whatever it was that was a little beyond Victor's normal perception, wasn’t beyond Henry’s. What we’re shown is Henry starts spending a LOT OF time alone up in that weird, cold, dusty, dark attic. Which he preserves. He does nothing to make it more comfortable for himself. The only thing he adds to it is the weird spider shrine and we’re basically shown him building it. Thats what those scenes are actually about. There is a light in the attic, we know that from Victors flash back. But Henry wont even utilize that to spend time up there drawing. He uses the dim light of candles instead. Theres a reason for this and you probably know where I’m going with this already because its me but we already know of something that can manifest itself as “a feeling” and that likes the dark, likes the cold and likes “to hide”.
What Vecna shows Nancy was the “progression of how Henry’s behavior’s began to change.” From “normal” boy, to boy who notices something weird, to boy who is “consumed” by whatever this weirdness is. ( Presumably because his parents, or his mother in particular rather, didn’t listen to him or dismissed his feelings or behaviors as just him being weird when this particular weirdness only started in that house. ) Nancy’s “visions” of young Henry start with Henry curiously walking around the house, like he’s looking for something, like something is luring him even, and indeed, Nancy starts to notice the lights flickering again when Henry is walking around curiously ( Again, this is framed like Henry isn’t the one flickering the lights, he isn't tapped into his powers yet, but he might be 'looking’ for whatever is causing the lights to flicker. It calls back to season one where Holly is following the weird acting lights in the Byers house and is led to the Demogorgon. )
Then Nancy turns and sees into the bathroom and is shown a vision of little Henry finding the spiders in the vent. Over top of this we have Adult Henry saying he “Found a new sense of purpose” ( Like this is very weird- like what does he mean ? Worshipping spiders ? Why does he think its his purpose to be worshipping spiders suddenly ? Also note Henry’s clothes have changed again so this is a different day from the day Henry was 'looking’ for something and the lights were flickering around the house. Which means the lights did this weird flicking thing a lot. ) This then cuts again to little Henry running past behind Nancy which startles her. We’re being shown another day here again, another vision. Henry’s wearing a different outfit and he has a jar in his hand, he seems to be heading up to the attic. This is also where he starts relating spiders to GODS and also note we’re then shown adult Henry as he’s explaining this and I don't know how else to explain his expression other than with the “ I've seen some shit ” meme like:
You ok Henry ? Nope. Hes not. Hes not ok. A lot of this fandom's breakdown of Henry's monologue scene is BIZZARE and doesn't reflect whats actually going on at all. They talk about Henry being emotionless and calculated when the reality is he's shown as the complete opposite of emotionless and calculated. Hes shown as haunted and distressed. He's very emotional. He even seems to look like his eyes are clouding with tears when he talks about his parents and how they weren't the good people they pretended to be.
Henry's clearly recounting something terrible he experienced that he doesn't completely know HOW to explain and worse he's pretty much been systematically gaslighted into believing somehow this was all HIS fault. Straight into the following scene little Henry’s now shown with a fully built spider shrine, complete with candles. He’s drawing the spiders. This is a different day again. Then we go back to adult Henry and the weird king just keeps giving. He says “The human world” specifically and ok… Maybe we can think he’s talking about the human world vs the animal world but he isn’t just talking about spiders as animals. He’s actually not talking about spiders as animals at all. Hes talking about them literally as gods. Then he switches from being kind of haunted and freaked out to some sort of look of realization, and then he switches again to something thats kind of cold and dark and it frightens Eleven. This is when he starts talking about humans as pests, “disrupting” the harmony of the god-like apex predator’s and their feeding- But imo- its not actual spiders he’s talking about here, not the way we know them.
Henry is a smart guy, he likes spiders, and I bet he knows a lot about them, and he knows spiders are animals, not gods, and they’re not the only "predatory animal” on earth yet he only speaks about spiders specifically in this way because he’s began to view them as an avatar of something divine. There is a reason the spiders are shown whenever Victor talks about the "evil force" hiding in the house. The spiders are displayed as analogs to this. The scene swaps again, we’re at a different day in Henrys childhood now. ( We’re literally going through a slightly condensed version of the month in the house from Henrys pov. ) His clothes have changed again. He’s standing in front of the grandfather clock. Back to adult Henry he starts to express his own anger with the “human world” from his own expereinces with his ostracization from it. But he’s angry, he’s now ranting, his voice even becomes distorted, and naturally Eleven starts to get more scared. But he calms down as he starts to approach her. He continues to explain, even though its obvious he's becoming more and more emotionally distraught. His hand is raised, kind of gesturing to his head and its trembling, his voice starts to tremble too and this is while he's explaining that he couldn’t pretend to fit in with everyone.
Now we’re then back to the scene with little Henry focusing on the clock briefly, then we’re back to adult Henry who has started to clam down. He starts to become placid again. Note - at no point do I think Henry was trying to scare Eleven at all, in fact it seems that being in her presence is what clams him not because he’s manipulating her but because her being there, telling this to her - someone who he thinks is just like him - is comforting to him. Like he's finally able to express something in some way that he might not have been able to do before – or maybe he might have never been able to talk about this in the presence of someone he thinks would understand and believe him. My personal take is both.
He’s looking at Eleven with some sort of affection here and then we cut back to Little Henry who shows us he’s harnessed his telekinesis, he’s moving the hands on the clock with his mind. This is first time Henry is able to manifest his powers imo and I think thats the significance of this particular scene. ( Which probably confirms Henry was never the one making the lights blink when they first moved in and the lights were blinking in the EXACT way we have seen them do in the show when something from the UD is trying to make contact ) And adult Henry is now more optimistically explaining he didn’t have to be trapped in the cruel oppressive system he couldn’t fit within. He could change it because somehow he developed these powers. This makes him feel like he can be the master of his own destiny- this is when he says he wanted to be “A predator, but for good.”
And then we’re back to Nancy and the rabbit. Its another day again. Henry’s gradually learning how to use these powers. The rabbit is trapped in a snare, its doing the rabbit death squeal as it struggles against the snare; the kinda bad cgi rabbit is dying, going into shock ( and I know this because rabbits have been in my family since I was a baby. This rabbit was in shock and was gonna die whether Henry touched it or not so the fandom take on Henry and the rabbit annoys me so bad. ) Henry decides to use it to practise his powers which adult Henry is explaining to Eleven that “as he practised” he realized he could do more than he even imagined he could do. As the days continue, Henry quickly learns he can literally read people’s minds. So Henry explains that he explored his parents minds and this is where he grows contempt for them because he begins to become horribly aware of exactly how much of a lie their “happy family” – that he was always the black sheep within – was and how unfair and hypocritical toward him they have really been. Which adult Henry is very upset again about thinking back on it.
Nancy runs back inside to the living room and sees Victor and the baby burning to drive home Henry’s point about the “terrible things” his parents have done, with this being the representation of Victor’s ultimate “bad thing” in Henry’s perception. We’re also shown little Henry sitting in front of his spider shrine in the attic and using his powers to show his father this particular vision that Nancy is witnessing – again this is a different day to the day Henry killed the rabbit, and both Henry and Victor are wearing different clothes to the directly following scene which is another day again, where Henry explains that his mother hated him.
This moves directly to Nancy walking into the dining room of the house and being shown Virginia, sitting at the dinner table with Henry and Alice and over top of this Henry explains Virginia’s plan to get rid of him, to lock him away by giving him to Dr Brenner to be “fixed”. This is the terrible thing we’re “shown” that Virginia has done, this was the straw that broke the camels back for Henry, to Henry this is Virginia's worst action. ( Which is valid like imagine the betrayal of finding out that your mother hated you to start but add that to the fact she also and wants to condemn you to a psychiatric facility and the known horrors of them even in that time period. )
And this is when Henry explains he had no choice but to “break free” leading directly to the death of Alice and Virginia. Then we get the scene with Brenner having strapped little Henry to the chair and tattooing him, much to Henry’s pain and discomfort, and with Henry telling Eleven he was glad she was born and all the rest of that.
But all those scenes are connected and important to each other. Its a progression of time during Henry’s childhood and the build up of events in the Creel house surrounding Henry’s strange thoughts / behaviors and developing powers in particular during the month, which are important and imo, its meant to clue us into the fact something WEIRD did in fact actually happen at the Creel house and that there was something else going on with Henry, something even more than he is able to tell us – but it seems he’d like to tell us he just couldn’t because he either didn’t know to explain it any better than what he did when he was speaking to Eleven, or maybe he just didn’t know how to explain it better to ELEVEN in particular, given how young she was.
But even Vecna wants to tell us something. He wants to show us something, even, and he chose Nancy for this which was the entire point of Nancy’s encounter with him. “Now that you have seen where I have been, I would very much like to show you were I'm going”. This is all connected and theres a lot more we have left to see. ( The lab, maybe some more stuff about Alice, the upside down, etc ) We’re gonna find out exactly what was going on with Henry and how / why Vecna is what he is and I can almost promise its going to be a whole lot more than some supremely uncreative, basic shit like “hes just evil and always has been” because they completely misread and falsely represent all these scenes and this character in a way I have literally not experienced in any other fandom.
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Eleven and Henry Lab scenes analysis / headcanons.
So this is a repost of an analysis I wrote quite a while back on the scenes of Henry and Eleven in the lab since the current fanon take on that is that Henry tricked and manipulated Eleven into removing the chip from his neck so he could commit the massacre. Which I personally will always find strange because the canon shows something completely different in my opinion in regards to what Henry's "intentions" with helping Eleven actually were. My response was to an Anon I got about the subject.
AS A NOTE and as TW for SA / reproductive abuse / child abuse etc because we were also discussing the concept of Henry possibly being Eleven's biological father amidst this. Although my personal take on it will always be that I don't believe Henry had "relations" with Terry, if Henry is Eleven's actual father it was artificial insemination on the behalf of the lab against the knowledge of both Terry and Henry which is why Henry is oblivious and Terry assumes her boyfriend who had left to fight in the Vietnam war was the father.
That would not surprise me honestly. It wouldn’t be something I’d put past the canon. Its very skin-crawlie honestly but I think people are getting "bad vibes" from the lab and the possible experiments there for a reason, like there was def a lot of rights violating going on with the lab and I just don't think that anything like that would be outside of the canon surrounding the Lab and Brenner's associates. Particularly because Henry implies that a lot of the people work at the lab for bad reasons.
There is a heavy suggestion they're present / former criminals or people with bad things in their pasts that are being exploited. And that would make sense given it would take a "special" kind of person to work at the lab, not to mention the scientists obviously have to be the type to view the subjects as subhuman in order to treat them in any type of way, the lab would be a playground for psychopathic personalities and we know Brenner was pretty fitting to that, and we also know MK Ultra was the basis of this and we know where MK Ultra was hijacked from, which is why thats my headcanon on that.
( Note, I also just want to say I personally do not HC that Brenner assaulted terry personally but he obviously had no problem using her for his experiments and then discarding her after literally stealing her new born daughter fresh out of her womb so you know. I may not HC Brenner as a r*pist in the personal sense, but he def seems to think science comes before human lives and rights, and will use, exploit and abuse human bodies and minds however he sees fit and i cant / wont deny canon with that. The worst part is he's absolutely the type who is out here thinking hes the one making the "difficult choices" and the "sacrifices" for science / the greater good, like bruh. Fuckin' Shou Tucker ass man this one. )
But anyway, I think what makes it most believable to me is Eleven’s powers. Like, as far as canon goes it seems Eleven’s powers are “explained” by Terry’s participation in the experimentation from Brenner - but since Eleven’s powers seem to be so much stronger and I suppose "more natural" than some of the other subjects it would also make sense if they weren't actually “artificially” induced as is apparently the case with a lot of the other subjects. Like there is no reason for Eleven’s potential to have been so great, "equal" to Henry’s, if they were artificially induced just like what seems to be the case with the other subjects who were very much shown as “inferior” to Henry and Eleven power / potential wise. She wouldn’t be a stand-out as she was, or thats how it feels anyway. It feels like there should be a “reason” for why Henry and Eleven stand apart from the others.
As for Henry, I’m not sure I understand father-ness the same way as others if that's the case. A father can be a lot of things and to be fair if we define a father as an older person who teaches, protects and cares about someone else then Henry actually did hit those marks to me. He wouldn’t have known it and I don’t think Eleven ever actually being his daughter crossed his mind once, but he did empathize with her deeply as a child who he could see himself in more than many others. I guess it really comes down to whether or not you believe Henry was just trying to manipulate her. I personally don’t believe he was and as far as canon goes, I think it makes more sense that he wasn’t - or at least his moments of manipulation were not as self serving as people think.
I think there's a lot of evidence for this but particularly here are some key moments for me: when we see Henry is “punished” for stepping in and trying to help Eleven, Henry’s reaction to the punishment of Two, Henry’s reaction to Eleven offering to help him in return and the scenes with Eleven and Brenner in “Papa.” Like, for me, there had to be a trigger for Henry suddenly escalating in his efforts to help Eleven. If you think about it he’s been there for twenty years, he’s presumably had casual contact with Eleven for about nine of them ( her whole life ) and while he might have always felt a sense of kinship with her he only started going out of his way to help her to the point of risking his own safety at a specific point in time. Henry claims the trigger was that he over-heard Brenner and his associates planning to “allow” the other children to attack Eleven and potentially kill her. Whether this was because Brenner saw potential in Eleven during their 1 on 1 sessions or because he thought she was falling behind isn’t clear, it could have been either. But we see this did actually happen so Henry can't have actually been lying about this. Its also noted the cameras were mysteriously turned off during the time Eleven was being attacked.
( My personal take on this, FOR NOW, until canon gives us more on this, if that does happen at all, is that Brenner was actively trying to create an immense power serge and he was using Eleven, Two and a few of the other more "promising" test subjects to do it. In my takeaway from canon Brenner didn't care about the children like he pretended, perhaps he had his favrioutes, but I don't believe Eleven really became one of them until she showed her potential and even then I don't believe Brenner became interested in her outside of using and possibly sacrificing her to achieve his grander goal until he lost Henry and the other children.
So basically in season 1 it was explained that if another dimension exists a massive power serge would be needed in order to "open" a portal to that world. Once again, I believe Brenner knew about the Upside Down and he knew such a "power serge" was needed to "open" this other dimension. He also knew the type of power serge that was needed could be achieved through the psychics and their powers as I headcanon he learned all this through experiments particularly on Henry in his boyhood. We are explained / shown a similar thing with the Soviets in season 3. They were using a crazy ass machine to create a power surge strong enough to chip away at and eventually re-open the gate to the Upside Down. This should also put into perspective the kind of terrifying power Henry and some of the other subjects were capable of.
So yeah, anyway, as far as my headcanon goes right now Brenner was planning on pitting Eleven against Two in the hopes of them causing a power serge great enough to open the Upside Down for him. In my opinion, at this point, he viewed Eleven as disposable and Two as something he wouldn't cry too much about because even though Two was very powerful Brenner didn't seem to like the guy that much and ultimately, in my headcanon, the only one of the numbers Brenner truly placed value on was Henry, hence why even after Brenner took away Henry's powers he refused to let Henry go. He has a very creepy obsession with Henry, honestly, but YEAH. ) Side note, I also think the cameras being off had to do with Henry’s own assault. He was taken into one of the test rooms and had the hell beat out of him while Brenner watched. Why ? What where they doing that for, it couldn’t have been ethical or something you want to record for everyone to see and we do know Brenner messed with the tapes and removed footage which seems to further incriminate him in this and bring more truth to Henry's words.
So what did Henry say or do that made Brenner decide he needed a pummeling ? Obviously he interfered in a way Brenner didn’t like. He might have even spoke against Brenner’s plan to let the other subjects ambush Eleven or, as is the case in my canon, they were beating him so he couldn’t intervene which adds up. Like while Henry was going through this, Eleven suddenly gets jumped by the other test subjects who were let out of their rooms for some reason. Henry can’t be lying because all of that is suspicious and wrong on so many levels, and we know Henry was occupied at the time the other test subjects were mysteriously freed from their rooms and the cameras were shut off. It adds up completely with what he says about Brenner's plan to harm Eleven.
Eleven didn’t fight back and survived the initial attack, and Brenner “punished” Two, further exasperating Two’s hate for and competition with Eleven which could easily escalate things further. Henry mentions Brenner was manipulating the other subjects so its likely Two was receiving signals to encourage him to hurt Eleven outside of just being shown up by her. I completely believe Eleven was at risk of being attacked again and possibly killed. We have a moment when Brenner approaches Eleven and goads her over the other children laughing at her and mocking her. Who is to say Brenner wasn't whispering similar things in Two's ear to make him angry and make him think he had to hurt Eleven. Henry seemed to literally be trying to help Eleven master her powers entirely to protect her from this.
The canon seems to show that Henry tried to guide her toward success / protect her because he empathized with her as a lonely child who was mocked and isolated from others which we saw. He straight up tells her she reminds him of himself. We know Eleven is mostly on her own. She’s shy and she lacks confidence. The other children make fun of her. We saw all that so this isn't some kind of misinterpretation by Henry.
Henry empathized with this and wanted to help her with her powers but he realized this was a mistake because Brenner saw the test subjects as lab-rats first and humans never. No one was exempt to this, no matter how talented they were. Showing talent didn’t mean safety, especially not from Brenner and Brenner makes a point of emphasizing this in the scene where he “punishes” Two.
You can see Henry’s reaction to this is one of fear, discomfort and concern. This resonates badly with Henry, probably for a lot of reasons but we def get to see that reaction out of him for a reason. It backs up a lot of things, particularly what he said about wanting to help Eleven but only making it worse and his guilt / remorse for that, hence why he seems to have escalated his efforts to rescue / protect her. In the test scenes previous to this we did see Henry helping Eleven in a friendly way and if you pay attention to Brenner whenever he is in the room with Henry, Brenner is noticing Henry’s “friendship” with Eleven as well. He does not seem to take too kindly to it either and as a result he starts taking an interest in Eleven himself.
So to me this means Henry tried to help Eleven show her powers in a way that wouldn't harm her and help protect her from Two but instead of this satisfying Brenner like Henry hoped it only furthered Brenner's interest in Eleven and the ways in which he could use her powers for his own means. This doesn’t seem off to me with all of Brenner’s other behaviors and the characters general MO.
The facts that I can see is that Henry literally risked his life and wellbeing to help Eleven. He escalated from just reassuring her and giving her tips and standing up for her, to full-blown trying to break her out of the facility and this was all directly related to the way Brenner was treating her and the danger she seemed to actually be in. Which are the other key parts in figuring out whether Henry was always just manipulating her or he was genuinely trying to save her like he says, imo. I mean aside from Henry’s own reaction of hurt and confusion when Eleven accuses him of tricking her, which I think is also something to consider and that seems to be overlooked to me. Like why did he react with such hurt / confusion if he’s an emotionless monster who planned all of that ? Wouldn’t his reaction to this accusation be more of a “lol u got me” instead if that were the case ?
Henry literally takes Eleven to a place she could escape and sends her on her way. He doesn’t try to stop her, he reassures her that she would be okay and not to be afraid. If Eleven never offered to help him return what would he have done ? Stopped her and told her not to go ? Literally all Eleven had to do was say “thanks” and crawl into the tunnel as Henry instructed. That seems to be a huge gamble to take if this was all a super carefully planned manipulation and all he planned to do was use her to facilitate his own escape. Eleven has a good heart and she assumed Henry had to leave with her because he was in extreme danger himself, which is the other thing.
Henry had no way to know Eleven saw him being tortured which is what ultimately swayed her decision to help him back and he doesn’t make it about him. Consistently its always about helping her, its Eleven’s idea based on what she saw to help him in return, something Henry didn’t know about until AFTER he had already put HER escape plan in motion. and of course he takes her offer to help him because why wouldn’t he ? Theres no reason he wouldn’t jump at the offer when given to him just like there's also no way he would know how she would react.
Like I said all she had to do was say thanks and crawl into the tunnel, its an insane and illogical gamble to take if it was all just for his own means imo. Further, his reaction to the offer came off to me as one of surprise but also an extreme giddy sense of elation to finally be presented with a way out of that nightmare for himself. Something I really think he had probably given up hope of until that moment. ( * I just want to say since I wrote this the script has since confirmed this is true. The script described Henry as surprised and moved by Eleven's offer to help him back. Which kind of proves he can't have planned for Eleven to help him or else his reaction / feeling would be different. ) For me, almost every single thing Henry said to Eleven rings true. From his monologue about how she was nothing but a animal to Brenner and that he had saved her by doing what he did, to him telling her he was glad she was born and that he believes in her. It really seems to me that everything Henry did he did to help her just like he said.
Any manipulations in Henry’s actions seems quite minor and well meaning in the grand scheme of things. And I think the only manipulation / trick I can actually see from Henry is the fact he told her to wait in the store room while he found a way out when he didnt just do that. Honestly, in a lot of ways Henry parallels Brenner. They are extremely similar in their behaviors but I think Henry becomes an inverted parallel of Brenner as a twist here due to his intentions being much more genuine and benevolent than Brenner's actually were.
And I think the scenes in the ep “Papa” emphasize this. Initially, Eleven believes Henry is the monster. She was so young and at the time of their confrontation, Brenner and the other test subjects were the only family she knew. She rejected the truth Henry told her about Brenner not really caring about her but in every experience she’s had since then she starts to realize maybe this was true even if she doesn’t want to at first.
In the episode she initially accuses Henry of being the monster, she’s even angry and confused as to why Brenner would allow someone like Henry to be around the children in the first place, but throughout the ep this thought process breaks down and she begins to see through all Brenner’s gaslighting and lies and excuses, and starts to believe that no, Henry wasn’t “the monster,” and she wasn't the monster at all, Brenner was. Brenner was the only “monster”. Henry was ultimately right about everything like it or not. And Eleven directly tells Henry that he isn't the monster in the piggyback episode. The big tragedy is this realization and validation has come far too late to reach Henry now because overall Henry’s now a supernatural terror whose on an absolute mission and Eleven’s still a confused child who has stepped up from being a lab-rat to a super-hero and it turns out that's not the upgrade everyone wants to think it is. And yeah. Thats my analysis on that thanks for reading sjfkdkfd.
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General headcanon overview / Canon analysis.
Hey ! So I wrote this for important headcanon and characterization details. I wanted to make one post to cover everything important instead of having folks dig around through multiple hcs across two of my blogs lmao so here we go !
Straight to the point I do not interpret Henry as a remorseless psychopath and I don't believe this was canons intention one bit. He is not “pure evil” and he was not “born evil.” To me it is quite clear that a lot of themes in Stranger Things are allegories for, and are very much metaphoric to metal illness and neurodiversity, most particularly a lot of themes in Stranger Things touch on the the demonization of and abuse toward people with mental illness and neurodiverse individuals. Please keep in mind Stranger Things is a period piece that is taking place from the 50s through to the 80s and EARLY 90s. This was a time period particularly in AMERICAN HISTORY that was not known for its kindness toward minority demographics and just as it was difficult to be lgbt+ or a poc, for example, in these times, it was also very difficult to exist as a ND or mentally ill person without experiencing oppression, horrific abuse, exploitation and demonization.
GENERAL: Ultimately, to me Henry is on the autism spectrum. The coding in his character is VERY explicit and he resonated heavily with me as an autistic person myself, who has experienced similar things as Henry and was labeled the same way from the same figures as a child. Henry has literally described himself as autistic without using the word autistic. Henry is very high functioning but none the less he was labelled as “broken” by his doctors and teachers because he was born in the 40s and was a young boy in the 50s where this stuff was not understood or recognized ( and we are still fighting to raise awareness decades later. ) Theres a few other factors floating around that make this story true to the horror genre and further add to the metaphorical side of things ( Henry’s psychic powers, the idea the Creels were living in a haunted house, the concept of demonic possession, etc ) but bringing things down to basics Henry was a high functioning autistic boy living in a time period where kindness and understanding toward his neurodiversity was not a thing and he suffered tremendously for it.
People will debate whether or not Henry was abused or neglected by his parents but its absolutely clear that he was. In both flashbacks from him and Victor, Henry is shown as isolated. The character himself laments on being "alone" and makes claims that his family were not the good people they pretended to be. He relates to spiders as a child because people approach them with contempt and disgust, and little Henry felt this was the same for him. There is a reason a CHILD felt this way. Henry's mother had put in motion a plan to institutionalize Henry simply because he was "different." Different is not code here for ASPD, its code here for neurodiversity, most likely autism, again given Henry's OWN descriptions of himself and his feelings/thoughts on the world. Henry also claims he related to El because of the fact that she was bullied and ostracized. Other children thought of her as "Stupid and Clumsy." She was constantly shown as isolated from the other children around her and it was clear that they did not care much for her company. ( El is also a heavily autistic coded character and this has been a topic of conversation in the ST fandom forever )
Henry is not an unreliable narrator here because nothing he says is ever contradicted anywhere by canon. Instead its all completely supported by the things we’re shown in canon from not just his POV but from the other character’s POVs as well. After coming to live in Hawkins, Henry discovered he had unlocked the ability to read minds among other remarkable things. He then discovered his mother hated him and he discovered she planned to have him committed, where he would be taken away by a Doctor ( Dr. Brenner ) and “fixed.” Virginia Creel was essentially an Autism Mom TM and explicitly wanted to “cure” Henry, something she had already put into motion by the time of her murder.
This was 'the' secret she had been keeping from him and this was the final trigger for Henry’s murderous rampage. He practiced using his psionic powers on small animals and prepared to kill his mother and escape from his family to avoid the horrors of institutionalization within a “psychiatric hospital,” as had been planned for him. He did not do that for fun or because he liked killing people.
This perfectly explains why Dr Brenner knew Henry existed. Keep in mind, again this is the late 50s. Virginia was an upper-middle class house wife. Her duty and image as a loving mother and wife would have been held in the highest esteem. If she was someone who secretly despised one of her children ━ not only is this particularly shitty for Henry as the child she disliked to discover this ━ but it does in fact make her a hypocrite as someone who would pretend otherwise to fit societies mold of “normal” and “perfect.”
Its also been heavily suggested the Virginia Creel was a cheat, and Alice possibly isn’t even Victor’s child which I've been over multiple times in depth. In the News paper article detailing the Creel murders, Alice’s birthdate is listed as 1944. This is a year before the end of the war, before Victor returned home. Virginia has also been associated with bathtub symbolism and often draws parallels to Karen Wheeler. Bathtubs often symbolize infidelity, and immoral thoughts. And we all know that Karen was planning to hook up with Billy.
Henry used his powers to “torment” his family by “showing” them their “real” selves. He was attempting to force them to recognize they were not “normal” or “perfect” like they pretended. I don't think the motive here is hard to imagine given Henry was being shunned by others because he was "abnormal" and was clearly suffering psychological distress and self-loathing over this. This was his attempt to make his family see themselves and thus accept him more so Henry didn’t even resort directly to murder. Prior to the murders, Henry was nothing but a lonely, innocent child. He was unfairly judged as “broken” and “wrong” by his family members who themselves were actually not the ‘perfect’, ‘faultless’ people they pretended to be, hence his accusations of hypocrisy toward them, claiming that they were broken NOT him.
Henry was born different and try as he ��might he couldn’t change what made him “different.” Henry struggled hiding his differences, something which was expected of him, so he grew disgusted by people like his parents and sister who were so obsessed with perfection, conformity and this false notion of “normality,” particularly as they themselves didn’t even fit the mold they were trying to project to the world and to force on Henry. After his attempt to escape failed, Henry would spend the next 20 years of his life kidnapped, wrongfully imprisoned and suffering various kinds of abuse, exploitation and dehumanization at the hands of Dr. Brenner’s project. Henry was as much a victim as anyone else in this situation. We are made aware of the fact that he was often tortured and essentially functioned as a slave to the facility. Henry, by his own admission, suffered a life of fear and cruelty.
ALICE CREEL: I'm adding this because I can't decide if all the extreme inconsistences surrounding Alice mean something in canon or if it was just laziness on the Duffer Brother's behalf but for now: Alice was 15 years old. ( Despite being portrayed by a much younger actress and thus appearing to have been the same age as Henry if not younger. A really weird inconsistency. ) Her date of birth is given on the news paper clipping and she would have been 15 accordingly, 3 years older than Henry, making her Henry's OLDER sister, and again, canon has seemingly suggested Alice might have been the product of an affair given Victor claims he had only been home from the War for 14 years. Moreover, in the original script there was more emphasis on Victor's neglect and Henry's discomfort with the fact that his father "always lies to himself." In the canon, Vecna refers to Victor as "blind and dumb." This all points to something more “personal” going on in the Creel house than just Victor believing in "demons".
But on that note, even Victor believed the "demonic presence" in the house was "punishing them for their sins." Strange that he would think that way if this was a totally normal and innocent family. What sins is he referring to here ? Clearly something else was going on with the Creel family.
Anyway, back to Alice. I imagine Henry and her to have had a relationship best described as an inverted parallel to Will and Jonathan. Where Jonathan was supportive of nurturing toward Will, Alice was scornful and neglectful of Henry. She viewed him as a burden due to his "differences", which she considered where just him being difficult and a "freak." She was very much a normal teenaged girl in the 50s who largely kept her personal life a secret from her parents in case of disapproval. Henry tormented Alice the least of his three family members because he simply didn't understand Alice's fears, insecurities or secrets well enough to prey on them on a personal level.
A similar thing could be said of his mother, as Henry's "torment" toward both his mother and sister appears to be very much in the vein of only making them “see” general phobias like bugs and spiders, thus and not near as personal or potent as the torment his father received thanks to his PTSD and guilt from his actions in the war. I'm hoping we'll see more Alice in season 5 to understand more about her and her possible dynamic with Henry.
THE MINDFLAYER: To me, and I’m very sure this was what canon was suggesting, the entity we know as the Mindflayer was actual the “demonic presence” that emerged within the Creel house and Henry has really just been a scapegoat and a medium for this thing to connect with Hawkins.
Stay with me here. The Mindflayer exists within another dimension, but the barrier between the human world and the Mindflayer’s dimension is thin around some places in Hawkins, which is why all this bullshit is going on in Hawkins in the first place. This is a canonlogical fact. The Upside Down and Hawkins are connected and this was true before Henry was sent there and before Will Byers was taken by the Demogorgon. There is a reason the Lab where Brenner was doing his experiments exists in the small ass-backward town of Hawkins. From what we can gather, the Creel house happened to sit a top of one of the places where the barrier was thin. Canon seems to show that Henry was particularly sensitive to and susceptible to the presence and influence of the Mindflayer due to his psychic abilities. Henry once believed that he was the demon in the Creel house, but this isn’t entirely the case. Henry was the medium. This also explains why Henry's powers only became so strong and continued to multiply when he came to live in Hawkins, another canon fact.
We know that the Mindflayer is a malevolent force that amplifies feelings of sadness and anger, which are the emotions that it feeds on. Henry couldn’t have been a more perfect target because he was a sad child, a child who was ostracized from other children and found it difficult to fit in with others and was constantly being made to feel as if he was wrong/bad/at fault. This takes a psychological toll on a child and almost always leads them to acting out, even without the existence of them having insane psychic powers. Henry’s negative emotions however were amplified by the presence of the Mindflayer, which in turn amplified Henry’s powers.
Once again, this is why Henry’s abilities became so strong once he and his family had settled into their new home in Hawkins. This is what drove Henry to look into his families minds and find their “darkest secrets.” He wasn’t a twisted little demon who was just sick like that, Henry is shown actually as a sad and lonely kid. His spirits only brightened a little when he found some spiders inside a vent inside the house as he recounts he has a love of spiders and they brought him comfort in a very stressful time in his life.
Henry then spent most of his time illustrating the spiders while his family fretted over the “evil presence” in the house, which used Henry’s powers to manifest itself. There is a lot of evidence in cannon to point to this being true. There is a scene in Victor’s flashback which shows Henry drawing with his crayons in the living room of the house when the lights around him begin to behave strangely, causing Henry to look confused and concerned. This was not Henry’s doing and it calls back to scenes in season 1 when something in the upside down is trying to get through to our world.
This again happens a second time when Nancy is shown visions of Henry’s childhood. Henry is first seen wandering around the Creel house as if he is looking for something, in this scene the lights of the house are also shown flashing, somewhat resembling the scene in season 1 where little Holly Wheeler notices the lights flashing in the Byers home and follows them to their source. Curiously, Henry is not framed as the person controlling the lights but rather as someone simply investigating their behavior. Furthermore, when Henry draws an image of the Mindflayer he uses charcoal in order to accurately depict the creature as true to life. How would Henry know the Mindflayer was cloud-like and made up of particles if this was just something out of his imagination and nothing more ? There is so much more going on here and the clues are everywhere.
There is also the fact that a 12 year old boy in 1959 learned to, essentially, suck the “souls” out of his “victims.” Like. How ? Which brings me to something else. While Henry’s method of killing does seem to be demonically influenced, it makes sense to me that a child like Henry would seem to reason this as a “valid” way to commit a murder. If he is able to basically “keep” his victims in some way, linking their souls to himself and thus giving them some type of immortality, it would serve to ease his guilt somewhat in the fact that he hasn’t completely killed them in the first place. This seems to be the case as Henry explained to Eleven after the lab massacre that the other numbers he "killed" weren't really gone.
Even further we know the Duffer brothers took nearly direct reference from entities such as IT/deadlights, the Thing, DnD's Serpent and possibly DnD’s Elder brain to create the Mindflayer ( look it up. ) These creatures are all very thematically similar to the Mindflayer we see in the show. The thing is a monstrous cosmic mass that assimilates other creatures into itself. Its “original” form was spider-like.
IT/Deadlights is an eldritch form of energy that eats the souls and flesh of its victims ( It also takes a spider-like form ),
DnD’s Elder brain is a evil psychic entity that guides its community ( the mindflayers ) toward world domination. ( Its depicted as a huge brain that uses long black vine/tentacles to attack )
The Serpent of DnD is said to be connected to Vecna going back to his human life, it is said to be the source of all Magic and for some reason favours Vecna over all other beings. Its suggested here that the MF may have preyed on Henry’s love of spiders to make itself more friendly and appealing to him as little Henry was driven to see the spiders in the Creel house as avatars of something divine and otherworldly rather than as simple animals.
Vecna, on the other hand, is a character that takes direct reference from Pinhead, DnD Vecna, Freddy Kruger and possibly Henry Bowers if his human name is anything to go on. Pinhead, Freddy, DnD Vecna and Henry Bowers are all characters who “serve” malevolent gods/entities in their referenced canons and in the case of Freddy, DnD Vecna and Pinhead, all of them got their powers from said entity.
With Pinhead its the Levithan. ( An abstract ancient entity that resides within "hell" and guides the Cenobites through dreams and visions )
With Freddy its the "Dream Demons" ( Demonic entities that thrive on nightmares and have a goal of merging the dream world and waking world )
and with DnD Vecna its, again, The Serpent ( a mysterious godlike entity of unimaginable power that has a close relationship with Vecna. )
What inspo came from each of these characters in creating Vecna is extremely clear. Pinhead was claimed to be the biggest inspo used to create Vecna. He was a kind and compassionate human who was severely traumatized and disillusioned from humanity and "god" by ww1. Pinhead chooses to serve the Levithan because of this. This is clearly referenced in Victor Creel, and Henry being a sensitive young boy who was deeply traumatized by seeing his father’s memories of ww2.
Freddy was a human who became a monster with the ability to trap his victims within dreams with the power of phantasmagoria and kill them. This is the inspiration for Vecna’s curse. ( Note, I also mentioned the Dream demons goal was to merge the dream and waking world. Like, come on. )
DnD Vecna was once a human, noted to have had a VERY cruel mother, claimed to have been be an evil woman who consorted with monsters, who's cruelty shaped Vecna into who he is in the DnD lore. As a human he somehow rose to become one of the greatest sorcerers ever known ( This was presumably through his pact with The Serpent ━ theorized to be an alias of the demon-god Asmodeus by some. The Serpent is depicted in DnD lore as "made of cloud and lightning snaking down from the sky and whispering into Vecna's ear, telling him the secret of lichdom." ) and in death eventually reached demi-god status as a lich. Well the inspo once again here is clear. Dustin described Vecna as Mindflayer’s 5 star general for a reason. He has never been wrong before, why are we so confident he's suddenly wrong now ?
Why would these themes be continually repeated in Vecna's conception and creation if they aren't somehow relevant to the character ? Further, the vines ( The Mindflayer’s physical vehicles ) were shown to behave the same way as they always have before Henry was even in the Upside Down. He cant be the one actually controlling them, at least not all the time, which means there is something else seemingly intelligent, possibly evil and highly powerful working along side him. Henry claims the Mindflayer made him Vecna and in the original script this was suppose to be more explicit, with the Vines having a big part in Henry’s terrifying transformation.
The original script details Henry being assailed by supernatural jolts of lighting, which rip off his clothes and burn his skin, followed by the "Vines", which began to similarly attack and transform him into Vecna. What creature do we know who's body looks just like a storm cloud, thundering with the same red lighting we saw "transforming" Henry ? What creature do we know has been in the Upside Down before Henry and thus the only one who could be controlling the "Vines" ? The Mindflayer.
Now is it possible that this is somehow inverted in Season 5 and Henry is just the guy behind it all cut and dry ? Sure, maybe. But with everything we've already seen in canon that I've mentioned here, this would leave a big plot hole for how any of that shit was happening before Henry's arrival in the Upside Down for me personally. Again, it seems as if Henry is actually a medium for the Mindflayer to act, and a TOOL FOR IT, rather than the other way around. Until season 5 shows otherwise ( And I don’t think its going to ) I will firmly stick to my analysis and beliefs on this.
For a more detailed look at the MF and surrounding elements click here. And for a summary of what the Mindflayer is and how it functions in my headcanons and AU click here.
THE LAB MASSCARE: There are many reasons for why Henry killed the other test subjects in the lab. This doesn’t just come in one shade. Survival is the leading one, but behind this we have the fact that Henry only learned to harness his powers through sadness and anger, two emotions that can be very intoxicating, even when utilized by someone who doesn’t have a life of lived trauma and oppression behind them like Henry does.
We also have the fact that Henry saw the other children as enemies, given they viciously bullied Eleven for no good reason and he saw his own childhood of ostracization and bulling in their interactions with her, which was clearly upsetting to him. Ultimately, Henry killed them because he could not save them and because if he left them alive they would only be used as weapons against him and Eleven.
The children in the lab were not allies to him and Eleven, many were extensively brainwashed by Brenner so he was not wrong in believing this. Many of them would do anything to please “Papa,” this including beating and abusing Eleven with glee, possibly to the point of being willing to kill her, and thus would easily include using their remote location abilities to track Henry and Eleven down if they escaped. It was a worse outcome to leave the other subjects alive than it was to kill them. I'm sorry to say it, but this is justifiable / excusable homicide, not cold blooded murder for fun.
DR. BRENNER: Henry’s mercy on Brenner was mostly vindictive. He wanted Benner to live knowing he had taken everything away from him, that he was powerless and that he lost all the control and oppression he had cruelly lauded over Henry’s head for most of his life. It was really a power move because ultimately Henry’s relationship with Brenner was/is a deeply fucked up one due to years of psychological and physical abuse and torture. Ultimately, he wanted Brenner to live and witness his escape, witness the loss of everything he had tried to build for years and witness everything else Henry would come to do free of Brenner’s imprisonment. Vecna’s motives for continuing to leave Dr. Brenner alive are very much the same. I have also written some other thoughts on Henry and Brenner here + more thoughts on Henry’s time in the lab + powers, etc.
HENRY AND VECNA: Simply put Vecna is Henry but Henry is not Vecna. Vecna is the result of Henry’s “death,” as much as he is the result of Henry’s “connection” with the Mindflayer entity.
As previously discussed, it seems the Mindflayer entity was always a malevolent force that amplifies and feeds on feelings of sadness and anger. This is why Vecna is so warped, both physically and spiritually. This is why Max explains that Vecna can’t see anything within people but hate and darkness. This connection with the Mindflayer changed him on a metaphysical level.
Henry’s body was mutated by the unique constitution of the upside down and his merger with this entity to become the wickedly powerful creature that is been dubbed “Vecna” by the hellfire kids. By all logic, Henry should have died after he entered the Upside Down, not just by the multiple lightening strikes he apparently suffered ( Note again these strikes of lightning were of a supernatural nature, they are further manifestations of the MF but still, they were not fucking around ) that horrifically wounded him to the point of deformity, but also the fact he had to have fallen from a couple hundred feet at least.
Somehow he didn’t die. There is no logical explanation as to why “Vecna” is or would actually be “alive” in a normal sense given what we were shown in canon. But we have seen that the Mindflayer has the ability to reanimate creatures that have supposedly died as well as literally create brand new creatures such as the Spider Monster in season 3. ( The Demodogs in the Russian prison are a good example of some type of reanimation. ) Its more likely that Henry did “die” after he was thrown into the Upside Down, whether from the supernatural lightning his body conducted or from hitting the ground from the seemingly endless height he fell from. Its all thanks to the influence of the Mindflayer and his psychic link with it that he was ‘revived’. Meaning he was apparently able to get up and simply wander around the upside down dazed and mesmerized until he found the Mindflayers “physical” body and the two “linked” together.
This also explains why “Vecna” was able to take several head-on rounds from a shot gun, all the while being set on fire, and continued to live and function through the whole ordeal, even after falling at least a dozen feet out of a window, to the point that he was able to get up and escape with little effort. There is no logical explanation for any of it other than that Vecna is, in fact, “undead” in some way. In his human life, Henry hoped to use his powers to change the world; to make things better for people like himself.
As Vecna he is opting for more brutality and something much darker, likely a lot due to his heavy corruption from the Mindflayer, though he still believes he’s doing this for a good reason, remembering his own goals, which is Henry’s remaining “human” element coming through. Basically, in the story Vecna embodies all three major archetypes in the horror genre. He is the killer, the monster and the ghost. This means he is a vindictive, driven, malevolent creature who is not bound to human mortality but has a hauntingly tragic and human past.
Vecna is vengeful and ruthless. He kills with impunity not because he likes killing but because it brings him closer and closer to his “goal” of “reshaping” the world that hated, abused and rejected him. Vecna targets his victims for very specific reasons that allow him to believe these attacks are less murders and more “mercy” killings. The kids Vecna targets are suicidal. Its suggested they are going to commit suicide which is why Vecna steps in and "collects" those particular victims. His motives are for them to join him in getting revenge on the world and society that has given them such pain that they are literally heading toward killing themselves as Vecna relates. I’ve talked about Venca’s personal “method/ritual” of killing and its “symbolic” refences to his human life and in general here.(broken link) ( Cw for suicide mentions. ) Currently that link is broken so refer to the following post for now instead. Again CW for Suicide mentions.
Henry on the other hand has a killer instinct, and will kill if he has to, but he is not Vecna and his murders are almost always survival or revenge based. Henry’s goals included more typical anarchy for the sake of political and systematic change; to bring about a better quality of life for oppressed and marginalized individuals like himself. Henry and Kali were the same in this regard and this why I’ll never believe they weren’t connected or that they didn’t have a positive rapport, or that it wasn't extremely likely that Henry played a part in Kali’s escape from the lab. This is at least my personal headcanon and will remain that way until canon tells me otherwise. So far though canon is heavily, heavily suggesting this is true. Basically, Vecna is more a Samara Morgan and Henry is more a Magneto, to put it simply.
"A PREDATOR BUT FOR GOOD": Henry’s speech to Eleven and his interest in spiders has resulted in a lot of the fandoms insane misunderstandings about Henry’s character and what his actual motives were and what he actually represents. I’ve been over it in a previous post but to largely quote that post: Henry’s self-label of “solitary” creature and his relation to spiders is not suppose to clue us on to some innate evil within the character. Completely the opposite actually. Henry has spent his life only ever knowing scorn, rejection and exile from others. Whether this exile is imposed on him by others or self-imposed to cope / feel safe, this is a heavy feature in Henry’s life.
This single feature made most of the fandom convinced that Henry’s interest in and relation to spiders was scary and proof of “psychopathy”, because they think of spiders as scary, weird things that need to be avoided or eradicated; they're just not viewed as living creatures worthy of respect or sympathy despite the fact they very much are. Its very ironic that people took this away from Henry’s speech as he was actually explaining the opposite. Henry literally says he relates to them because they’re a misunderstood creature, a creature that people hate and only want to exterminate, and that people have always treated him the same way.
He takes comfort in being able to relate to something so much and finds them inspiring as a result. He draws strength from them. They made him feel safe and seen. He feels more empowered and less alone when he thinks of them. Unfortunately, a lot of people somehow boiled this down to “Spiders kill things, spiders are scary, spiders are unrelatable, spiders are emotionless so that's what Henry was trying to tell us about himself.”
Which all couldn’t be further from the truth. Henry further spoke about the experience and unending stress of anyone who can not conform to societal norms, anyone who couldn’t live up to societies “expectations” and the restrictive, unfair standards of what is good and right vs what isn’t as these standards DO NOT apply to everyone. They are largely unnatural and that it is downright evil to try and enforce them on everyone since it is impossible for everyone to fit into the “mold.” The mold being heavily bias and flawed from the start. He is saying that all this nonsense has been made up by evil, bigoted, stupid people in power. He is talking about the real struggle “othered” people face against societal and systematic oppression.
He’s trying to say that a spider is considered an important part of the natural ecosystem. Spiders fit this ecosystem whether people like it or not and despite their differences they have a valuable role in brining order to the natural world. He’s not saying he wants to murder people because he finds it funny and he’s a sadistic freak; he's ensuring himself he belongs and he’s trying to illustrate that someone with powers like his and Eleven’s would be able to fight and perhaps work toward dismantling the painful, oppressive system that is currently in place and bring about balance. Equality. If he has to eat a couple insects to do it then so be it. He directly specifies he wants to be a predator BUT FOR GOOD and that is what his meaning was.
It was intended to be the opposite of a predator being seen as an evil, monstrous thing. Henry straight up specified that he had HEROIC INTENTIONS, at no NO POINT say he was planning to kill innocent people because he thought it was fun and he enjoys killing people. Oppositely he clearly expressed he wanted to fight back against systematic oppression so it really isn't a stretch to think that the people Henry was ever going to be threat toward was bigots and oppressors if he was able to escape the lab in his human form. Kali is literally his counterpart character and the two of them directly reference each other. Vecna, thematically, takes clear inspiration from the goddess Kali of Mythology ( The goddess of time, doomsday, death and change. ) and Kali as a character literally has the same views as Henry expressed in canon. ( Leftist and anarchist ideologies. ) In conclusion, Vecna / Henry are way more complex than this fandom will let itself believe and its disappointing. Henry isn't a racist or a p*do or a n*zi or any of that other total bullshit this fandom comes out with. He'd hate/fight against people like that.
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