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Names Used: Alfred Summary
Alfred is known for a very regimented way of speaking. That makes him a good first candidate for a deep dive into how Batfamily characters address each other.
(See the other posts HERE.)
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DIRECT REFERENCE (Talking TO the person)
The main pair of terms Alfred uses are ‘Master/Miss [given name]’ and ‘Sir/Miss’.
His usage of ‘Sir/Miss’ is proportional to how close his relationship is with who he’s adressing  - Bruce is ‘Sir’ 69% of the time, while we have no examples of Babs or Cass as ‘Miss.’
His usage of given name is inversely proportional to how close his relationship is with who he’s adressing (and how often he’s using ‘Sir/Miss’) – Babs is ‘Miss/Mistress Barbara’* 67% of the time, but Bruce is ‘Master Bruce’ only 25% of the time.
*Writers don’t always understand proper forms of address. ‘Mistress Barbara’ is just incorrect to use, and ‘Miss Barbara’ isn’t really appropriate for an adult friend of the family.
The only person who gets directly addressed as ‘Mr/Miss [surname]’ is Babs. Which IS proper. ‘Miss Gordon’ is used 17% of the time.
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Alfred is more likely to use a preferred name over a formal name, with people he’s close to. He uses ‘Master Tim’ 32% of the time, and ‘Master Timothy’ only 13%. ‘Master Dick’ is 24%, while ‘Master Richard’ is 14%. (And ‘Master Richard’ is pretty rare before Dick became the head of the house. Alfred retreated into extra formality after Bruce’s ‘death’, either to emphasize his support of Dick’s new positition, or to hide from his emotions.)
With Bruce’s sons, he varies between ‘Sir’ and “Young Sir.’ This tapers off as they get older.
Jason was always ‘Young Sir’
Damian is ‘Young Sir’ 14% of the time, and ‘Sir’ only 5%
Tim is ‘Young Sir’ only 6% of the time, and ‘Sir’ 19%
Dick is ‘Young Sir’ less than 1% of the time, and ‘Sir’ 46%. (Especially after he becomes head of the house.)
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Major other forms of address are ‘Lad’, ‘Young Man/Lady’, and ‘Dear Boy/My Dear’. He also addresses multiple kids as ‘Boys.’ There’s a similar distribution to ‘Young Sir’ – the terms taper off as the kids get older.
Bruce is ‘Lad’ 1% of the time
Dick is ‘Lad’, ‘Young Man’, and ‘Dear Boy’ 4% of the time
Tim is ‘Lad’, ‘Young Man’, and one of the ‘Boys’ 10% of the time
Damian is ‘Young Man’, and one of the ‘Boys’ 14% of the time
Cass is ‘My Dear’ 14% of the time
Steph is ‘Young Lady’ 17% of the time
Jason is ‘Lad’ 25% of the time
Damian is the only kid directly given a familial title – Alfred addresses him as ‘Son’ once.
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He tends to only use given names when his charges are vulnerable. Also, it seems to be vastly more common with Tim. Here, the preferred vs. formal distinction is reversed.
Tim is ‘Timothy’ 13% of the time, and ‘Tim’ only 6%
Dick is ‘Richard’ 6% of the time, and ‘Dick’ less than 2%
Bruce is ‘Bruce’ 2% of the time
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Alfred only uses codenames when there is no other option, and even then, mostly with the ladies.
Babs and Steph get codenames 17% of the time (Babs is, wonderfully, ‘Miss Oracle’)
Cass gets a codename 14% of the time
Dick is 2%
Bruce is less than 1%
He never directly addresses one of the younger boys by codename (that I’ve found)
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INDIRECT REFERENCE (Talking ABOUT the person)
When indirectly referring to people, Alfred makes a clear distinction between family and family friends. Both Babs and Steph are referred to as ‘Miss [surname]’ 50% of the time. The only other person who gets this treatment is Bruce, who is ‘Mr. Wayne’ 4%, and ‘Mr. Bruce Wayne’ 1% of the time, when Alfred wants to be especially formal.
(It’s possible that ‘Master Grayson’ (2%) for Dick, and ‘Master Wayne’ (1%) for Bruce, are other examples. That is an appropriate, but old fashioned, way to refer to a child. But I’d need to check the exact issues to make sure.)
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‘Master/Miss [given name]’ remains most common in most situations. But:
Babs is ‘Miss Gordon’ 50% and ‘Mistress Barbara’ only 37.5% (and that 37.5% is way to much)
Steph is ‘Miss Brown’ 50%, ‘Young Stephanie’ 25%, and ‘Miss Stephanie’ 25%
Jason is ‘Jason’ 29% and ‘Master Jason’ only 24%
For the others, is ranges from 47% for Bruce, to 71% for Dick.
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Given names are more common in indirect reference than direct. Other than what’s already been mentioned,
Cass is ‘Young Cassandra’ 20% of the time
Damian is ‘Damian’ 15% of the time
Tim is ‘Tim’ 8% and ‘Timothy’ 2% of the time
Bruce is ‘Bruce’ 7%
Dick is ‘Dick’ and ‘Richard’ each 2.4% of the time
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As a counterpart of the direct address ‘Sir’, Alfred refers to Bruce as ‘(The) Master’ when he isn’t present 15% of the time.
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Alfred continues to use terms like ‘Lad’, ‘Boy/Girl/Child’, and ‘Young Man/Lady’ when indirectly addressing people (9% to 24% of the time with family). Even Cass is included, though that might have been because she didn’t have a name he could use for a while! Groups of kids are ‘(The) Lads’ or ‘(The) Boys’.
Alfred is slightly more open to familial terms when the person isn’t there. He’s willing to refer to Bruce as ‘My Son’ (1%) and ‘[His/Your/The] Father’ (7%) after he has died. Jason is a ‘Son/Ward’ 5% of the time after HIS death. And Dick gets to be referred to as Bruce’s ‘Ward’ 2% of the time even WITHOUT dying!
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Full names:
Jason is ‘Jason Todd’ 12% of the time
Tim is ‘Timothy Drake’ 8% of the time
Dick is ‘Dick Grayson’ 5% of the time
Bruce is ‘Bruce Wayne’ 3% of the time
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Finally, Alfred is quite a bit more comfortable using codenames when talking about people.
Babs is ‘Miss Oracle’ 12.5% of the time
Dick gets a codename 12% of the time
Jason is 7% of the time
Bruce is 3%
Tim is ‘Young Robin’ 4% of the time
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