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I think the best example of the bad faith approach to Helluva and Hazbin's writing is Stolas saying to Blitz "I DON'T LOOK DOWN ON YOU! When have I ever shown that!?" and people highlight moments of him clearly seeing Blitz as lesser to say the shows writing is bad rather than just assuming that Stolas is being presented as unselfaware and wrong

And Emily saying "How can I spread joy (in heaven) when I know we're bringing misery to innocent people!" and then showing all the horrible things people do in Hell to show the writing being bad rather than just assuming Emily doesn't really understand Hell or the people in it

Like. It's pretty clear what's going on here "Well they didn't SAY that" they don't really have to?

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Literally...there HAS to be some heart in order for dark and mean humor to work imo. And FG doesn't really have that. Like that's why we can still get behind Homer in the Simpsons even though he's a pretty terrible father..because we still see the love he has for his family. He isn't always bad. And the canon version of Helluva does the same thing. No one is a great person, but parts of them are so we have something to root for.

Honestly I don't often focus on villains either. Anti-heroes and morally grey characters? Hell yeah, but villains are usually not my go to.

I do have one exception. And that's my pfp.. aka. Shigaraki (end the rest of his villain group) from my hero academia. But that's because he's not just a villain. He's a victim made to be a villain and he still has a strong sense of his own morality and cares about his found family. The show gives the pov to them and they act as a social commentary in which some of them are villains simply cus they don't fit in with society. So again.. they're made to be sympathetic, so we can root for them.

Every time I rewatch the pilot (which I only really do when I watch reactions) I'm reminded of how godawful these characters are to each other. Like, even in ep1, aka pre-character development, they're not THIS awful to each other.

I know even fans of the show often still like the pilot fine, but holy hell, I'm taking a moment to appreciate this isn't the show we got, because I would've absolutely hated it and never would've gotten emotionally invested to be here in the first place.

Though, even in the pilot Stolas is still my fave, so who knows, maybe I would've at least stuck around for him, even as a villain.

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I think the best example of the bad faith approach to Helluva and Hazbin's writing is Stolas saying to Blitz "I DON'T LOOK DOWN ON YOU! When have I ever shown that!?" and people highlight moments of him clearly seeing Blitz as lesser to say the shows writing is bad rather than just assuming that Stolas is being presented as unselfaware and wrong

And Emily saying "How can I spread joy (in heaven) when I know we're bringing misery to innocent people!" and then showing all the horrible things people do in Hell to show the writing being bad rather than just assuming Emily doesn't really understand Hell or the people in it

Like. It's pretty clear what's going on here "Well they didn't SAY that" they don't really have to?

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Hmmm... the need for a Stolas body pillow is extra intense this night..

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Imperfect Via, my beloved!

I absolutely hate it when people act like she's a perfect, innocent, little baby who never did/said anything wrong. Just because she's "technically" still a child doesn't change the fact she's 17, aka literally on the edge of adulthood, so don't treat her like she's 7.

Though, on that same note, I also hate it when people act like her being a "spoiled brat" is a bad thing. She for a fact got spoiled her entire youth and doesn't know how to act when Stolas doesn't give her his attention 24/7, so ends up making impulsive decisions.

It's literally what makes her so interesting as a character.

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I like the idea of these two having a fight meet-cute - and Sallie is enamored by how smoothly Barbie kicks her ass 😂 I'm definitely not projecting I don't want Barbie to kick my ass nope not me The pose was a bit challenging and this is old enough that I think it'd be fun to try again and see if I can make it better 🤔 but I'm really happy with how I handled the colors!!!

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That was my issue.. as someone who didn't like the pilot. I love mean humour, I grew up on dark humour in general.. but it's no longer funny if it's hurtful and actually mean. Like.. I love The Simpsons and Futurama, always have. The characters in it aren't always good people, but they at least show on occasion that they care for each other. Meanwhile I can't stand Family Guy.. because their treatment of Meg isn't funny, it's JUST mean. It's a fine line but it's glaring when it's there... and that's what it felt like with the Helluva Pilot vs. the first episode. In the pilot.. they seemed like a group of people who genuinely hated each other.. and it just felt uncomfortable. In the first episode they still say a lot of shit to each other, but they still come off as a team. Me and my sister can say some awful shit to each other.. but that's because we're close and know each others limits.. That's fun.. I don't wanna watch a show all about people genuinely bullying each other.. that just makes me feel bad. I agree tho that Stolas was still kinda fun. I don't think I'd be as attached to him as I am now, but I think he'd make a funny villain. Kinda like Andrealphus now.. He's fun to watch but he doesn't have my whole heart like canon Stolas does.

Every time I rewatch the pilot (which I only really do when I watch reactions) I'm reminded of how godawful these characters are to each other. Like, even in ep1, aka pre-character development, they're not THIS awful to each other.

I know even fans of the show often still like the pilot fine, but holy hell, I'm taking a moment to appreciate this isn't the show we got, because I would've absolutely hated it and never would've gotten emotionally invested to be here in the first place.

Though, even in the pilot Stolas is still my fave, so who knows, maybe I would've at least stuck around for him, even as a villain.

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I don't really see it like that at all. The only thing the "childhood friends" thing did was establish 1. Why Stolas was so infatuated with a random imp and 2. How Blitz knew about the book. But, Blitz didn't see that day as as important as Stolas did, sure he ended up having fun but he wasn't there of his own free will and he was forced to do something that could lend him in some deep shit. From his perspective going back there is a risk. We don't know Stolas reasons for not reaching out but tbf, I don't think he knew how to and then he got married and had a kid and his priorities changed. That's speculation so far but it's the most reasonable one to me. It has nothing to do with being destined just because it's a trope that commonly used for that purpose. That's not how they use it. It even further establishes Blitz's reasoning for making a transactional deal with him further down the line.. as that has happened before and is the only way they knew each other. Cus Blitz knows that he was bought, he doesn't know who requested that. For me, it made sense of a lot of stuff I didn't like about the relationship the pilot brought forward. Like.. Goetia are immensely powerful and hold no regard for lower class' life.. Even if Blitz is ballsy, stealing from one could've been a death sentence. But.. if he was already familiar with Stolas, even if it's been many years, he didn't take a stupidly huge risk, still a huge risk cus he doesn't know if Stolas has changed, but not a stupid one.. cus there's a chance that Stolas ended up kind, cus he used to be. Plus.. like I said.. it made sense that he went for Stolas' grimoire in particular even though plently of Goetia would have one of their own. I didn't vibe with their previous dynamic aka. the pilot.. that was just like that just because.. at least this way it makes sense how things happened. (but even with the previous dynamic before they settled into this one, we would've found out why they went for each other and I'm curious to know what people would want that to have been? if not this?) Other than this.. what other stuff? Cus I can't think of a single thing.

What's the cham of Stolitz? It's just a bad fanfic grade manwhore x manwhore yaoi slop but their fuckery is canon instead of fujo fever dream

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entering touch-starved goblin mode

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That's one take you could have. Though, Season 2 is when they start to acknowledge their wrongs and change for the better. It ain't perfect but both of them get to see the consequences of their actions and make up for it. For Stolas, it started in Ozzie's, when he started to realize that maybe this relationship isn't that mutual and "oh.. maybe I have unfair power here", so he started giving Blitz an out and applied for an Asmodean Crystal. His wife continues to send an assassin after him and while she is quite awful to start with, it is also kinda expected within the goetia. They're allowed to do what they want cus they have power or whatever, no one really bats an eye to it. But even tho she was already awful, it escalated because Stolas cheated. Or well, because he chose to do so with an imp. His daughter feels ignored because Stolas has been caught up in the feeling Blitz awakened in him. While she does give him leeway on occasion because of what Loona said to her, she has enough when he risked his own life for Blitz without a second thought and ends up distancing herself from him. He recognizes that that's his own fault, society didn't make him forget about his daughter, he did. The trial that happens is because of the illegal use of the grimoire. They target Blitz to get to Stolas and Stolas makes up a fake story that would put ALL blame on him even if they were both guilty. Stolas WAS guilty though cus he DID give out the book to Blitz for him to use illegally. For that reason, although exaggerated since he also made himself out to be a traitor, he gets everything taken away from him for a 100 years, which might not seem long to an immortal being but as far as we know, Stolas hasn't lived that long yet and with the situation of his daughter, it's too long. (Not to mention that in Full Moon, the reason Blitz end up yelling at him is because he took control of the conversation and dismissed Blitz like he was his butler. While we can get why Stolas wanted to retreat, he still acted very authoritarian by putting his hand up to silence Blitz and tell him "Thank you that'll be all" essentially, and then walking away. He thinks he acts as if him and Blitz are equal but occasionally the prince emerges and he says and does shit that is belittling and that rightfully pisses Blitz off, Stolas doesn't entirely recognize this yet, cus who would tell him? But he's gonna start to according to the crew.)

I have to feel like the idea that Stolas has been woobiefied is a very online take cus that's not the story I see when I watch the show. Yeah, he is tragic.. he was alone for most of his life and went through an abusive marriage, his isolation and privileged upbringing made him unable to properly recognize social cues which are a reason for some of his fuckups, but his actions are still his own and the characters who are hurt by him have a right to be. Just because he's made to be sympathetic doesn't mean he's woobiefied or his actions are excused. I'm sure some people excuse them but they do the same for Blitz (and Stella for that matter). Blitz, who is also shitty because of his traumatic past. Who also acts a certain way because he was abused. Who's also made to be sympathetic as we realize that a huge part of the trauma that drives him was accidental. He's just been taught to blame himself. Just like Stolas, Blitz acts a certain way because of his past and it's both why they clash and why they need each other. We knew that Stolas was a sympathetic character when we first saw him sing to his daughter.. We just learned more about it at the end of s1 and forward through s2... Like learning that Blitz's insecurities directly influences his behaviour towards others.. like we learn in Truth Seekers.. towards the end of s1 and then further in s2. Stolas has less people to piss off and hurt, but that doesn't mean that he didn't and that it wasn't his own fault? Both things can be true and yes this is long because it's a take that I've heard often and do not agree with.. cus that was not the show I watched. I love Stolas because he means well but constantly fucks up. He goes through shit and also manages to keep making it worse. It IS tragic, but it's not only society's fault canonically. A lot of it is also his own.

What's the cham of Stolitz? It's just a bad fanfic grade manwhore x manwhore yaoi slop but their fuckery is canon instead of fujo fever dream

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All of that sounds like a fun time to me? What's the issue here?

If you want a serious answer tho. The charm of Stolitz to me is watching two incredibly damaged adults from different backgrounds being forced to break their own bad coping mechanisms and better themselves in order to find something they've been deeply craving. But the manwhore aspect of both of them is pretty fun too.

What's the cham of Stolitz? It's just a bad fanfic grade manwhore x manwhore yaoi slop but their fuckery is canon instead of fujo fever dream

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Stolitz in "Sinsmas"

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Favorite Male Character of Helluva Boss: ☾ ⋆.* ₊⋆⁺ Stolas of the Ars Goetia .˚⋆⁺⋆. ☾

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Pirate stolitz

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Helluva Boss Merch: Great Pirate War Collection!

Blitzø x Stolas

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After how many years it’s been since helluva boss came out I’m still wondering how people think a adult work place comedy that happens to be set in hell is somehow more unique than what’s currently happening. Because I’m sorry but the only thing unique about what some people originally wanted out of it is the hell part and given some of their reactions I think they don’t like that part either.