explaininghellaverse

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The funny thing about the person arguing with me and call me a bootlicker and a stan is that- I don’t even like Stella lol

That whole post was just how I think it’s weird how people try and make her seem like a better person than she is to justify hating Stolas and how that is high key victim blaming.

Like it was not even about the writing itself.

If someone wants to have an actual conversation about why they don’t like the show go for it, but as soon as you get midway in a conversation and start complaining about it being ‘Yaoi’ and calling people bootlicking stans.

You have lost any point you’re trying to make.

Want to talk about how the pacing for both Helluva and especially Hazbin is an issue? Or how the blend of comedy and more serious topics isn’t always done the most tastefully?

[explaininghellaverse]

So you are clearly not looking for an actual conversation so after this reply I’m going to quit interacting with you.

Also not a stan or a bootlicker considering I’ve also posted my criticisms of both shows. The difference is I criticize stuff in hopes of it improving not just to hate on the medium.

And I do agree that I would like to see more screen time with her, I just understand that this a in progress TVshow and we will most likely see more of her later on.

What I’m not going to do is just say there is nothing to a character when at a slight glance while watching it’s kind of obvious that there is more to her, you absolute dingus.

Everyone’s obsession with trying to justify Stella’s behavior is sooo icky to me.

“Well why they write her like that just as a prop to make Stolas look better.”

Has it ever occurred to you through the process of making a story certain characters exist to be a foil to the main protagonists. That not all characters are meant to be sympathetic or to be sympathized with and that’s not a fault in writing.

Someone being a villain character isn’t bad writing, and not having a character entire story before a show is over and claiming how under developed a character is- well a little idiotic.

Events have to happen in a certain order in a story for it to make sense, I’m sure we’ll find out more about Stella as the show goes on.

And there is also the huge can of worms of people trying to justify Stella’s actions. Male victims of abuse are hardly ever shown. Why are you trying to make Stella seem like the good person in this?

Yes it was an arranged marriage, yes it’s fair to say Stella was unhappy about that. That does not justify Stella abusing Stolas. Guess what Stolas was never happy about the arranged marriage either. Not to mention he is literally a gay man, but he didn’t become abusive.

“Oh but he cheated on her.”

Yeah after almost two decades of being abused and in a loveless hollow marriage. That’s hardly the same as being abused. Also that’s pretty common to happen to people being abused it’s behavior of someone trying to get out of a bad situation.

Y’all keep saying there is no depth and then try and take it out the messy nature of these things.

Legitimately if Stolas was a woman and Stella a man you’d all be praising Stolas. Support male domestic abuse victims and stop justifying abusive woman.

And of course that’s not saying you can’t like Stella as a character, just stop trying to make her seem like the victim. Stop saying you love her as a character and then going “well why did they write them like this, why didn’t they write them as having a friendly relationship.” Because that’s not the story being told.

And while I’m at it I know some people hate Octavia but she’s honestly great from what we’ve seen of her. “Why does he hate her more than he loves me?” As someone who grew up around this situation in my older teen I felt that. I felt that hard, these things are complicated for all people involved.

[explaininghellaverse]

1: It’s mentioned in several episode the IMP used to take clients in hell, so they could have continued their work albeit not on earth without the book.

2: Blitz stole the book initially, so him taking that deal was probably seen as less likely to get him in trouble. And Blitz had the option to return the book at any time and void the deal. This isn’t a you belong to me situation like Val and Angel. And as the show goes on Stolas bothers Blitz less and less because Stolas realizes how hollow their relationship is- it’s literally brought up in fairly recent episodes.

3: Most fans of Stolas also criticize him and Blitz both, that’s what a good portion of the show does. It’s called evolving character dynamics. Most fans agree at least from what I’ve seen that both Blitz and Stolas are toxic for each other- that’s the point. That’s what makes watching them interesting. When people talk about how they aren’t improving, I just think people expect stuff to move along faster in the story. But the story is going for a more realistic slow burn of these issues. You can’t fix someone’s mindset in a day.

4: You do not have to like all the characters in any given medium and it’s perfectly valid if you just think a character is boring, but that still doesn’t excuse trying to claim she isn’t the abusive one in their relationship which is what my initial post was about.

Everyone’s obsession with trying to justify Stella’s behavior is sooo icky to me.

“Well why they write her like that just as a prop to make Stolas look better.”

Has it ever occurred to you through the process of making a story certain characters exist to be a foil to the main protagonists. That not all characters are meant to be sympathetic or to be sympathized with and that’s not a fault in writing.

Someone being a villain character isn’t bad writing, and not having a character entire story before a show is over and claiming how under developed a character is- well a little idiotic.

Events have to happen in a certain order in a story for it to make sense, I’m sure we’ll find out more about Stella as the show goes on.

And there is also the huge can of worms of people trying to justify Stella’s actions. Male victims of abuse are hardly ever shown. Why are you trying to make Stella seem like the good person in this?

Yes it was an arranged marriage, yes it’s fair to say Stella was unhappy about that. That does not justify Stella abusing Stolas. Guess what Stolas was never happy about the arranged marriage either. Not to mention he is literally a gay man, but he didn’t become abusive.

“Oh but he cheated on her.”

Yeah after almost two decades of being abused and in a loveless hollow marriage. That’s hardly the same as being abused. Also that’s pretty common to happen to people being abused it’s behavior of someone trying to get out of a bad situation.

Y’all keep saying there is no depth and then try and take it out the messy nature of these things.

Legitimately if Stolas was a woman and Stella a man you’d all be praising Stolas. Support male domestic abuse victims and stop justifying abusive woman.

And of course that’s not saying you can’t like Stella as a character, just stop trying to make her seem like the victim. Stop saying you love her as a character and then going “well why did they write them like this, why didn’t they write them as having a friendly relationship.” Because that’s not the story being told.

And while I’m at it I know some people hate Octavia but she’s honestly great from what we’ve seen of her. “Why does he hate her more than he loves me?” As someone who grew up around this situation in my older teen I felt that. I felt that hard, these things are complicated for all people involved.

[explaininghellaverse]

I think Stella’s abuse goes deeper than she lets on, but guess what.

Even if her only reason is she enjoys tormenting Stolas you know who else uses that same reasoning for their crimes and is beloved. . .

Literally fan say he’s the best when his motivations are just to cause pain. Why is that suddenly bad on Stella and not him? He’s also abusive to spouse Harley Quinn.

Only difference is she’s a bird demon and he’s the clown prince of crime.

Silly comparison I know lol, but he literally gives the same reasoning as Stella says bluntly. Like-

Everyone’s obsession with trying to justify Stella’s behavior is sooo icky to me.

“Well why they write her like that just as a prop to make Stolas look better.”

Has it ever occurred to you through the process of making a story certain characters exist to be a foil to the main protagonists. That not all characters are meant to be sympathetic or to be sympathized with and that’s not a fault in writing.

Someone being a villain character isn’t bad writing, and not having a character entire story before a show is over and claiming how under developed a character is- well a little idiotic.

Events have to happen in a certain order in a story for it to make sense, I’m sure we’ll find out more about Stella as the show goes on.

And there is also the huge can of worms of people trying to justify Stella’s actions. Male victims of abuse are hardly ever shown. Why are you trying to make Stella seem like the good person in this?

Yes it was an arranged marriage, yes it’s fair to say Stella was unhappy about that. That does not justify Stella abusing Stolas. Guess what Stolas was never happy about the arranged marriage either. Not to mention he is literally a gay man, but he didn’t become abusive.

“Oh but he cheated on her.”

Yeah after almost two decades of being abused and in a loveless hollow marriage. That’s hardly the same as being abused. Also that’s pretty common to happen to people being abused it’s behavior of someone trying to get out of a bad situation.

Y’all keep saying there is no depth and then try and take it out the messy nature of these things.

Legitimately if Stolas was a woman and Stella a man you’d all be praising Stolas. Support male domestic abuse victims and stop justifying abusive woman.

And of course that’s not saying you can’t like Stella as a character, just stop trying to make her seem like the victim. Stop saying you love her as a character and then going “well why did they write them like this, why didn’t they write them as having a friendly relationship.” Because that’s not the story being told.

And while I’m at it I know some people hate Octavia but she’s honestly great from what we’ve seen of her. “Why does he hate her more than he loves me?” As someone who grew up around this situation in my older teen I felt that. I felt that hard, these things are complicated for all people involved.

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Wow look at that what in the honky tonk another episode came out and added more depth to her character? Almost like this is a TV show and we can now see she wasn’t always loving and caring. That Blitz helped her see better of herself and to see how strong she really way.

And yeah is the your my best friend line cheesy, absolutely. Does it make sense considering how much he genuinely helped her just by seeing the good in her. Yeah.

And for people who say it came out of nowhere because they ‘never interact’

Blitzø

-Always cheers on Millie, sometimes stopping mid fight to tell her how good she’s doing.

-Slept with Chaz just to get more information on him to help Moxie (Which I’m sure Millie appreciated)

-this whole scene ending with Blitz offering her water as she strangles a man

-Hypes Millie up to her parents and tries to have a good relationship with Millie’s parents

Yeah there are moments showing them being at the very least good friends haha

Millieeee

I will admit I’m biased I’m a Millie lover but I’ll keep this short and sweet!

People complain the Millie has no depth. That’s the main thing I’ve seen is that she’s a nothing character. I disagree with that, I think people see that she’s in a happy relationship with her husband and has a good relationship with her parents and siblings. People are seeing the most stable character in the show and decide there is nothing to her.

It’s kind of funny because I always see it come up on here where people are like “Not every oc needs to have trauma.” And then everyone looks at Millie and there like sorry she’s not traumatized enough to have any depth or personality :/

So first off this is a TV show there is quite the possibility that we will learn more about her in the future (hell look at the short that came out with her sister recently). Expecting to know everything about every character all the depth to them is kind of silly. The show isn’t over yet.

Second off here is Millie’s personality to everyone saying she has none 👍

Millie is a strange mix of soft and endlessly tough. She’s a farm gal from wrath who left for the big city to do what she’s good at fighting! She has real passion for her job and genuinely enjoys it, she’s one of the top employees at her job because of her skills with basically any weapon she can pickup. Despite her combat efficiency she’s shown as endlessly caring and patient when it comes to those she cares about be it her husband Moxie or her Boss Blitzø. Something I think she got from interacting with her younger siblings and from helping out on the farm. She’ll raise absolute hell if you mess with someone she cares about, you do not want to get on her bad side otherwise you’ll meet her violent wrath.

That is quite literally a personality and depth. She’s just a nice farm gal with a bit of a temper leave her alone. 😩✊

As I said I’m biased her and the funny trauma clown are my favorites. Also writing this out made me realize that aside from the assassin stuff she’s literally the same archetype as AppleJack

Loving farm gal that’s good at what she does and is furiously protective. It’s just the farm girl archetype I think. Applejack is also considered one of the worst of the main characters- do people just not like farm girls? Yeehaw 😞

[explaininghellaverse]

Angel Dust time!

Spider man, but ya know not that Spider-man.

So there have been several controversies with Angel and I’ll talk about the ones I’ve seen. Most of them boil down to being pretty nonsensical if you think for 10 seconds in all honesty.

And a general warning that this will get into triggering topics because Angel’s character revolves around some heavy stuff.

Trans Angel Dust Controversy

So first things first Angel is not trans as far anything been stated. If you want headcannon him as such go for it! And second if he was trans I don’t really see a problem with it. People’s biggest issue that I’ve seen is because of his chest fluff making him look busty, and it’s really a non-issue. No matter if you where the ‘Angel is a trans man’ or ‘Angel is a trans woman’ side of this argument.

Trans people are allowed to not look visibly cis, to say Angel is transphobic while thinking he’s trans because he’s got a ‘bust’ is more transphobic than anything else. People don’t need to pass or they can just be happy with that feature. Looking Cis shouldn’t be everyone’s goals.

He’s Feminine so he’a a gay stereotype.

Yes/no, if anything I see him as more androgynous personally. the most feminine thing about him is that he wears pink, but also being a feminine man isn’t a bad thing. It’s not bad to shine light on the more feminine men in our community, femme men exist.

I also think him being pink and more femme leaning has directly to do with his story don’t forget he died in the 1940s an era not to long ago where simply being gay could instantly be a death sentence. On top of that he’s the child of the Mafia who are also notoriously homophobic.

I think him being more femme in hell, and physically being pink is for to reasons. It’s A something he was probably deeply insecure about when he was alive and B in hell most people don’t care about that so he’s now gotten a chance to embrace his queerness.

I think that will end up tying into why the deal with Valentino even happened in the first place, the tough guy mafia kid embrace his sexuality he’s always had to suppress and thinks he can handle anything since he was mafia when alive. But I think he was fresh in in hell when it happened he didn’t understand yet how binding demon deals are.

The Poison controversy

So this one is complicated and people’s very varied response to it speaks volume. There is a bit where it’s just people not understanding how this sort of thing develops and other are just victims reactions to the same thing can be very different.

So I’m speaking on this in a weird tone I am not a direct victim of SA however my dad is a rapist and mother was his victim so I have trauma relating to SA and have seen an SA victim at her worst and getting better. Just to explain that I am not just pulling stuff out of my ass here. I have different but complex related trauma.

So do I think poison is bad SA rep, no I don’t. Do I think the song can be triggering absolutely, but the episode does come with a warning which is all someone should have to ask for when dealing with these topics.

The scenes actually showing SA in the song are very brief and they all cutoff before you can really see much happening and then switch to Angel dancing in his stage. The song itself despite the pop sound is very depressing if you really listen to it. Kind of in a way similar to “pumped up kicks” which if you don’t know is a popular very cheery sounding song about school shootings.

How I see the song the song and I think is the intended way for the song to be interrupted is that Angel is both spiraling and dissociating. Remember that night Valentino was being extra hard on Angel more than usual and I think that broke him. Dissociating is something the brain does to try and protect itself. Where your brain basically goes hey you’re in a bad situation let’s completely ignore that at any cost. I also think it’s directly referencing Angels mask because he does pretend to enjoy it all as for himself to not get hurt more than he already is. Which is a very realistic depiction.

There is also another disturbing way to interpret it, that I think is horrific and that is up until the end of the song where we see Angel really break down, what if the song isn’t just a song for the audience but one actually physically being performed as a in universe music video. What if Valentino as punishment to Angel is making him sing this song about how much this is hurting Angel to sell to his hungry fans. I wouldn’t put it past Valentino.

That also another thing at the end of the song Angel is going into a panic attack and you can hear his voice breaking and the music becoming more somber. The dissociation is broken the mask is falling and Angel is breaking down. Angel is honestly one of the best depictions of an SA victim I’ve ever seen. And yes some scenes with him made me uncomfortable, but that’s the point, that’s the horror of his situation that he can’t escape. And that’s also why he’s become such a comfort to so many people.

Which leads me to the next part.

Angel Dust’s flirty comment problem

A lot of people think Angel is bad rep because of his constant flirty comments, sex jokes, and literally throwing himself at people like Husk, but again this is a realistic depiction of how some people react to being SA’d especially in a long term situation.

Angel is Hypersexual his brain has been rewired where to protect itself it now has normalized that behavior. Does that mean it’s alright when he pushes peoples buttons in that way, absolutely not but it does make sense.

And it’s shown in show how uncomfortable it makes Husk, but Husk also recognizes that it is a mask something Angel is to afraid to admit. It also makes sense how Angel throws himself at people it’s a mix of trying to take back his power his sexuality and that ‘If he consents no matter what he can’t be hurt again’ mindset. He is a very realistic depiction of an SA victim.

Why do people think Angel is bad rep?

So for one everyone’s situation in what trauma does to the brain is different, someepeople become hypersexual, some people shut down, some people become violent to scare people off, some people become so scared that can’t leave there house. Trauma varies and I think part of why some victims see him as being bad rep is simply because that’s not how their trauma manifested, but I think he’s important we rarely see a victim shown like this and so many people who responded to their trauma in a similar way to him now have a character that they take comfort in.

There is also this thing in media that’s called ‘the perfect victim’ where in a lot of writing victims are written in a very specific very structured way that anything outside of that is considered a bad victim. This directly parallels real life where if you aren’t in tears every second, if you wore something that could be seen as provocative people will say you aren’t a real victim. And I’ve seen people say that exact thing with Angel, I’ve seen people say he’s not a victim because he signed the contract. It’s a mirror on how victims are treated.

There is also something to be said about Angel being a male victim. Male victims are rarely represented and rarely taken seriously. I think that’s also reflecting in how people are viewing Angel. I do think if Angel’s character was a woman he would be treated differently by people that are both fans and haters of the show.

What do I want to see from Angel in the future

This section is just stuff I really want to see from Angel in the future.

-I want more screen time of Angel and his pet pig, we barely see his pet until the end of the series and I think that’s a little weird.

-Now that Angels mask is falling a bit with Husk I want to see Angel open up more in a calmer less sexualized way

-I want to see Angels trauma get in the way of his relationship with Husk. I think a great way they could take this with Angel being scared of hurting Husk the same way he has been hurt. That’s personally something I struggle with and I think that would be amazing to see. Trauma does weird stuff to peoples brain.

-I want to a flashback where we get to see a human Angel and how he interacts with his mob family due to his sexuality being rejected.

In conclusion, does Angel’s representation make you feel uncomfortable does it make you feel gross? Good. That’s the point.

[explaininghellaverse]

Everytime I have to explain that the Stolas cheating on Stella to break out of their abusive relationship is in fact not contrived or overly coincidental but something that happens often in those kinds of relationships I take 5 health points off my life.

“What’s your source”

I was Octavia in my scenario, I lived through this dynamic happening around me. I’m the fucking source.

[explaininghellaverse]

While Stella abused him I’m not sure if she SA’d him unless I’m miss remembering something.

I’m sure he and Stella probably both have sexual trauma. From what I remember in the not divorced party, she excitedly explained how she no longer has to engage in intercourse with him because they have an heir. I don’t think either of them really wanted to do that but it’s what expected of them as royals. It’s a complicated scenario.

I think sometimes people forget you can be both the victim and the abuser and that, that doesn’t justify being abusive in of itself. Only explains why that behavior may have manifested.

Stella and Stolas are both victims of a forced marriage, and being forced to make an heir, but that doesn’t justify Stella taking that out on Stolas. In a different world a different story they could have been married for show, but lived different lives. That would have been an healthier way to deal with the bad scenario they when forced in. But people need to realize that is not the story the show wants to tell.

Being a victim doesn’t justify becoming an abuser as sadly as common as that is.

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(Replying to the tags) Thing with Octavia that gets me so annoyed is that is Stolas a perfect father. No of course not, but is he trying? Yeah he is, he’s just dealing with a lot at the same time.

I was in the same position as Octavia I have said stuff very close to Octavia’s “Why does he hate her more than he loves me?” That’s such a common feeling of a child with a parent breakup even without the abuse. Emotions are complicated especially being a teen at the time where you are still learning your emotions- that doesn’t make him a bad father.

Especially after he tried to find her as soon as he knew she could be in danger, and that when he learned it was the day for the meteors he was instantly regretful. They wrote him being human(emotion wise anyway), being overwhelmed, and forgot something important to the both of them.

No one is a perfect parent especially with all that going on. Sometimes good parents do bad things.

Everyone’s obsession with trying to justify Stella’s behavior is sooo icky to me.

“Well why they write her like that just as a prop to make Stolas look better.”

Has it ever occurred to you through the process of making a story certain characters exist to be a foil to the main protagonists. That not all characters are meant to be sympathetic or to be sympathized with and that’s not a fault in writing.

Someone being a villain character isn’t bad writing, and not having a character entire story before a show is over and claiming how under developed a character is- well a little idiotic.

Events have to happen in a certain order in a story for it to make sense, I’m sure we’ll find out more about Stella as the show goes on.

And there is also the huge can of worms of people trying to justify Stella’s actions. Male victims of abuse are hardly ever shown. Why are you trying to make Stella seem like the good person in this?

Yes it was an arranged marriage, yes it’s fair to say Stella was unhappy about that. That does not justify Stella abusing Stolas. Guess what Stolas was never happy about the arranged marriage either. Not to mention he is literally a gay man, but he didn’t become abusive.

“Oh but he cheated on her.”

Yeah after almost two decades of being abused and in a loveless hollow marriage. That’s hardly the same as being abused. Also that’s pretty common to happen to people being abused it’s behavior of someone trying to get out of a bad situation.

Y’all keep saying there is no depth and then try and take it out the messy nature of these things.

Legitimately if Stolas was a woman and Stella a man you’d all be praising Stolas. Support male domestic abuse victims and stop justifying abusive woman.

And of course that’s not saying you can’t like Stella as a character, just stop trying to make her seem like the victim. Stop saying you love her as a character and then going “well why did they write them like this, why didn’t they write them as having a friendly relationship.” Because that’s not the story being told.

And while I’m at it I know some people hate Octavia but she’s honestly great from what we’ve seen of her. “Why does he hate her more than he loves me?” As someone who grew up around this situation in my older teen I felt that. I felt that hard, these things are complicated for all people involved.

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Stolas

[explaininghellaverse]

If you enjoy Rick and Morty or Bojack Horseman (more apt comparison to Helluva and Hazbin)

And especially bottom of the barrel South Park, Family Guy, American Dad

I do not want to hear you say a single criticism about Hazbin and Helluva. There is not anything you can say that is not double in those other shows. Especially the last three or is just a stupid pointless criticism.

But the characters did something bad! Rick in the first episode has his 14(?) year old grandson shove a giant seed in his butt. And the pilot episode is a porn parody . . . Legitimately.

But but the characters said a bad word- Have you seen South Park that’s often considered one of the best adult cartoons (I highly highly disagree personally) just like the entire show? Pick up any random episode. I emphasize this point greatly because I know the show has had a reemergence lately and there is legit not a more problematic show you can watch that has 30 SEASONS airing on TV

The shows above (except Bojack I believe) are filled constantly with rape jokes, racism, ableism, a lot of these shows especially in earlier seasons legit say so many slurs to punch down at people and not say much of anything. But Blitz says the R slur once in the pilot, the creator apologizes and explains she heard it so much growing up she didn't realize it was that bad(and a lot of people do still use it as a casual insult sadly I work at a grocery store I hear it a couple times a day lmao), then we get a later episode where he starts to say it pauses and acknowledges that he should really stop saying that. Like??

But but Hazbin/Helluva art style is ugly so therefore show bad. 1 that is highly subjective and if you don’t like the art style good on you? For 2 have you seen most of adult animated cartoons- there’s this whole thing in the mainstream media where they purposely make them ugly as to not to appeal to kids. (Even though most of watched these at like 11 anyway)

but but but gay people to many, but but but disrespects religion, but but but the characters are morally grey and are treated as such- Just say the show isn't for you and move on.

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Venom eats several people both good and bad before being redeemed as a hero and people love his character.

Sam and Dean Whinchester constantly go back and forth on if all monster should die even if there are some that legit aren’t doing anything wrong

Hannibal eats people and mocks the police about it.

Dexter is a morally grey character that kills bad guys and occasionally good people that get in his way.

Notice how all these characters are greatly beloved and also severely fucked up. Would you enjoy them in real life? No of course not. In a fictional show yeah!

Why are y’all treating Blitz as if it’s different you dinguses

People that complain about Blitzø being a bad person need to realize that, that is the point. He is a bad person.

He knows he’s a bad person, he hates that he is a bad person, and he doesn’t know how to fix himself. We’ve known this very bluntly since at least episode 10

Can we stop pretending that him being an ass doesn’t have a purpose in the story, because it does the whole show is about “Hey this dudes fucked up and is doing a bad job trying to get unfucked up but he’s trying” among other things.

[explaininghellaverse]

Blitz drawn in my style

[explaininghellaverse]

Honestly yeah

People that complain about Blitzø being a bad person need to realize that, that is the point. He is a bad person.

He knows he’s a bad person, he hates that he is a bad person, and he doesn’t know how to fix himself. We’ve known this very bluntly since at least episode 10

Can we stop pretending that him being an ass doesn’t have a purpose in the story, because it does the whole show is about “Hey this dudes fucked up and is doing a bad job trying to get unfucked up but he’s trying” among other things.

[explaininghellaverse]

Actually now that I think about it I think the entire story revolves around people’s evolutions in bettering them self.

I think that’s the main theme.

Millie left home not wanting to be a farmhand and wanting to do what she’s passionate in.

Moxie has an abusive mob boss father that he left for his loving wife and a job that treats him better than his fathers mob. (Although people are still dicks to Moxie leave him alone lol)

Blitz is fucked up in so many ways and the literal main story is about him trying to open and trying to be better and honest about his feelings.

Even Stolas is leaving an abusive relationship and is trying to (albeit slowly) unlearn his privileged way of thinking.

People that complain about Blitzø being a bad person need to realize that, that is the point. He is a bad person.

He knows he’s a bad person, he hates that he is a bad person, and he doesn’t know how to fix himself. We’ve known this very bluntly since at least episode 10

Can we stop pretending that him being an ass doesn’t have a purpose in the story, because it does the whole show is about “Hey this dudes fucked up and is doing a bad job trying to get unfucked up but he’s trying” among other things.

[explaininghellaverse]

People that complain about Blitzø being a bad person need to realize that, that is the point. He is a bad person.

He knows he’s a bad person, he hates that he is a bad person, and he doesn’t know how to fix himself. We’ve known this very bluntly since at least episode 10

Can we stop pretending that him being an ass doesn’t have a purpose in the story, because it does the whole show is about “Hey this dudes fucked up and is doing a bad job trying to get unfucked up but he’s trying” among other things.

[explaininghellaverse]

Why is this post popping off so much haha

Everyone’s obsession with trying to justify Stella’s behavior is sooo icky to me.

“Well why they write her like that just as a prop to make Stolas look better.”

Has it ever occurred to you through the process of making a story certain characters exist to be a foil to the main protagonists. That not all characters are meant to be sympathetic or to be sympathized with and that’s not a fault in writing.

Someone being a villain character isn’t bad writing, and not having a character entire story before a show is over and claiming how under developed a character is- well a little idiotic.

Events have to happen in a certain order in a story for it to make sense, I’m sure we’ll find out more about Stella as the show goes on.

And there is also the huge can of worms of people trying to justify Stella’s actions. Male victims of abuse are hardly ever shown. Why are you trying to make Stella seem like the good person in this?

Yes it was an arranged marriage, yes it’s fair to say Stella was unhappy about that. That does not justify Stella abusing Stolas. Guess what Stolas was never happy about the arranged marriage either. Not to mention he is literally a gay man, but he didn’t become abusive.

“Oh but he cheated on her.”

Yeah after almost two decades of being abused and in a loveless hollow marriage. That’s hardly the same as being abused. Also that’s pretty common to happen to people being abused it’s behavior of someone trying to get out of a bad situation.

Y’all keep saying there is no depth and then try and take it out the messy nature of these things.

Legitimately if Stolas was a woman and Stella a man you’d all be praising Stolas. Support male domestic abuse victims and stop justifying abusive woman.

And of course that’s not saying you can’t like Stella as a character, just stop trying to make her seem like the victim. Stop saying you love her as a character and then going “well why did they write them like this, why didn’t they write them as having a friendly relationship.” Because that’s not the story being told.

And while I’m at it I know some people hate Octavia but she’s honestly great from what we’ve seen of her. “Why does he hate her more than he loves me?” As someone who grew up around this situation in my older teen I felt that. I felt that hard, these things are complicated for all people involved.

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I 100% agree with your take on Octavia. Some people just treat her as being annoying for sake of being annoying when her reactions to what’s going are very by the book, and at least to me as someone who grew up around an abusive parent my self very well written.

I think with Octavia people need to also remember that why she is 17, almost an adult she’s still under her parents power. She’s powerless, frustrated and upset about a situation she has no control over. So she rebels and steals a book to try and gain back some control in a bad situation and see what was promised of her. That’s a pretty down to earth reaction.

The stories equivalent of her stealing a rich parents porche- something we’ve seen in countless stories because stuff like that actually happens. Why is it seen as bad in this show?

Everyone’s obsession with trying to justify Stella’s behavior is sooo icky to me.

“Well why they write her like that just as a prop to make Stolas look better.”

Has it ever occurred to you through the process of making a story certain characters exist to be a foil to the main protagonists. That not all characters are meant to be sympathetic or to be sympathized with and that’s not a fault in writing.

Someone being a villain character isn’t bad writing, and not having a character entire story before a show is over and claiming how under developed a character is- well a little idiotic.

Events have to happen in a certain order in a story for it to make sense, I’m sure we’ll find out more about Stella as the show goes on.

And there is also the huge can of worms of people trying to justify Stella’s actions. Male victims of abuse are hardly ever shown. Why are you trying to make Stella seem like the good person in this?

Yes it was an arranged marriage, yes it’s fair to say Stella was unhappy about that. That does not justify Stella abusing Stolas. Guess what Stolas was never happy about the arranged marriage either. Not to mention he is literally a gay man, but he didn’t become abusive.

“Oh but he cheated on her.”

Yeah after almost two decades of being abused and in a loveless hollow marriage. That’s hardly the same as being abused. Also that’s pretty common to happen to people being abused it’s behavior of someone trying to get out of a bad situation.

Y’all keep saying there is no depth and then try and take it out the messy nature of these things.

Legitimately if Stolas was a woman and Stella a man you’d all be praising Stolas. Support male domestic abuse victims and stop justifying abusive woman.

And of course that’s not saying you can’t like Stella as a character, just stop trying to make her seem like the victim. Stop saying you love her as a character and then going “well why did they write them like this, why didn’t they write them as having a friendly relationship.” Because that’s not the story being told.

And while I’m at it I know some people hate Octavia but she’s honestly great from what we’ve seen of her. “Why does he hate her more than he loves me?” As someone who grew up around this situation in my older teen I felt that. I felt that hard, these things are complicated for all people involved.