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✦ GIFTOBER 2024 (+ @mcuchallenge) | Day 17/31: PHONE CALL/TEXT

[elvenfforestydd]

You know what I love about Whump and what drew me to it, is the ✨vulnerability✨ of it all.

Whumpees who don’t usually show their emotions, let alone pain to anyone – but Caretaker, their partner, close friends? The only exception. Remaining stoic through torture to piss off Whumper but absolutely crumbling in the presence of their person, screaming in pain. Whumpee leaders who keep it together for the team but sob into their person’s shoulder behind closed doors when something goes wrong. Or Whumpees who are actually alone, that don’t have anyone to save or help them. Patching themselves up in a dingy motel room, or the backseat of a car. Caretakers who’ve never seen Whumpee like this before and for the first time, have no idea what to do. Whumpee who’s usually the strongest being stripped of everything that made them powerful, leaving them defenseless and reliant on others. Villain or Hero Whumpee finally letting their guard down around the other. And so much more!

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no no. you don't get it. the reason I injure my blorbos until they can't walk is because that's the only way they'll ever let someone else carry them. the reason I curse them to be sick and feverish is so that they'll finally open up about their emotions while delirious. the reason I force them to overexert themselves to the point of exhaustion is so that when they pass out they can finally rest.

I'm doing this for their own good.

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when a powerful figure is reduced to kneeling. when the lord is forced to bow. when the exile stumbles into an unwelcoming bar. when the “beast” is chained by their horns. when a god is dragged behind their enemy’s chariot, a captive and trophy. when the loyal “guard dog” character is muzzled and the silver-tongued thief falls silent in horror.

that’s the shit

it’s about the contrapasso. the reversal of roles and the sudden, plunging terror of being unable to hide.

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Writing Advice:

1. Write what's in your heart

2. Wait, hold up

3. THIS is what's in your heart?

4. Dear god

5. Your poor characters.

6. Why is there so much blood and death?

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Omg me right now

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writers will really have a doc titled ‘fic planning’ and then it’s just blank

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Whump Vibe/Visual

Caretaker rescuing injured Whumpee from Whumper’s facility. Henchmen combing the halls as they try to sneak their way out. Caretaker pressing Whumpee up against a wall for a moment to hide.

Their injuries jostled in just the wrong way or another wave of pain hits them and Whumpee almost lets out a groan. Caretaker notices and clamps a hand over their mouth muffling the sound as much as they can — apologizing through their eyes.

After a moment Caretaker lets go and Whumpee pants silently. Before they can get moving another wave hits Whumpee and they pull themself close to Caretaker, tucking their face into their shoulder. A hand clutches their wounded side and the other reaches up to grab a fistful of Caretaker’s jacket holding on for dear life as they bury their pained gasps in the fabric.

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I want to give my perspective on the “was Loki tortured by Thanos or not” debate in regards to the series addressing it. The reason I’m thinking about this so much right now is because of a specific post and the various comments on it, but obviously there have been lot of people talking about this subject in general from both sides. I debated reblogging the post itself but in the end just decided to make my own - I wasn’t even going to say anything initially, but I’ve been thinking about this way too much today and I just need to put my thoughts out there.  

You know I’m actually willing to grant that, in terms of what’s 100% canon, Loki might not have been tortured by Thanos to the extent many of us theorize (there’s a lot of evidence for those theories, and those are still my theories too, but I acknowledge that it technically hasn’t been confirmed by canon). However, something we know for certain is that he went through absolute hell in between Thor and Avengers - this was confirmed by Tom as the backstory he and Joss discussed. Tom likened Loki’s experience to being “kidnapped by a terrorist cell or something” and having to “survive a very, very frightening and precarious existence.” Technically, yes, “Loki was tortured by Thanos” is a definitive and quite specific statement that hasn’t been explicitly confirmed by canon. But we do know his experience with Thanos - whatever the exact details - was traumatizing. Tom’s full quotes indicate that they didn’t decide exactly what happened to Loki, just that it was very, very bad - so even if Thanos wasn’t the one to do the bulk of the traumatizing (though he’s at least responsible for some of it), someone(s) else in the universe was.

Anyway, regardless of whether Thanos directly tortured Loki, there are a number of other things we know about 2012 Loki: there was some degree of coercion (even if you theorize that it was Loki’s idea to make a deal with Thanos initially), Loki’s decisions were affected by some level of mind stone influence, we saw The Other physically harming Loki onscreen, and “he will make you long for something sweet as pain” is a horrifying threat (plus, the Other saying ��you think you know pain” right before that is a pretty fucking strong implication that they put him through Something Bad - or even if they didn’t, somebody else did). So like I said - even if we don’t know for sure that he was tortured by Thanos, we do know Loki wasn’t exactly being treated well, and that the experience was very traumatizing in some way. 

The point I’m trying to make here is that - and this feels weird to write - for the purposes of this specific fandom argument it almost doesn’t matter if Loki was tortured by Thanos or not, because what we do know canonically about his lost year (and what we saw onscreen in Avengers) is still enough to make it a problem that the show is ignoring it. In a way, it’s almost like we’re getting too hung up on the word “torture”? I’m starting to feel like it kind of distracts from the main issue, which is this: Regardless of the details, that whole period of time between Thor and Avengers was a truly hellish experience for Loki, his time with Thanos was traumatizing in some unspecified way, and despite the fact that this all happened to Loki very recently, the show is ignoring all of it. For me, that’s the core problem here. Traumatic things canonically happened offscreen to Loki pre-Avengers that changed him from the person he was at the end of Thor (Tom talked about this constantly in Avengers interviews), Thanos was involved in that trauma in some capacity, and the show has not done anything to address it. And people are understandably upset about that.

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Would you say that Loki being tortured by the black order/thanos/the chatauri is not quite canon but more than fanon? For me, it kind of sits in that weird in between place where technically we haven't had complete confirmation but yet there seems to be enough evidence that it's more than just fanon?

hahaha so I got this ask, uhhhh, a while ago and I was going to do a short answer but then I started tossing out bullet points and once I had those I wanted to link them to posts discussing those things in more detail and now it’s September and I definitely got this within like, a week or two of the show finale, sooooo anon whoever you are I hope you’re reading this blog enough to know that I finally got around to answering your question 😬

anyway yeah, that's basically where I come down on it. it's never been made explicit, but I think it's also fair to say that Loki's alliance with Thanos wasn't an equal partnership at the very least, and canon heavily implies it wasn't a fully willing one either and Loki went through some seriously bad shit during his missing year. extrapolating that to "Thanos had him tortured" is an interpretation, but it's also an interpretation that makes sense of a huge pile of canonical evidence--more sense in most cases, I would argue, than any alternative explanations. I mean, there are possible alternative explanations for a lot of these individually, of course, but not all of them, and I don’t know that there’s much else that pulls together all these pieces. plus all this speculation is happening in the first place because we aren’t explicitly told what a lot of these things mean, so a torture-related reason is just as likely to be accurate as an alternative one.

and when I say “a huge pile of evidence,” there’s...well, there’s a whole lot, at wildly varying levels of significance, and also wildly varying levels of detail because I just want to finish this post already:

he looks burned or otherwise messed up in the post-credits scene in Thor (could be from something not related to Thanos! but if that’s the case it’s still pretty relevant in terms of, you know, Loki’s missing year being Bad Shit)

intro scene in Avengers--sweaty, pale, dark circles under eyes, almost collapses while walking out, basically collapses into the truck and seems to need to brace himself just sitting/kneeling there (like above, could be from something else, like...coming through a portal that hasn’t been properly stabilized is hard on the body? but I don’t think we have any additional evidence to support that specific idea, as opposed to the likelier one that stabilizing the portal was necessary just to make it bigger and keep it open) (link also includes Thor post-credits scene)

also he's obsessed with making others kneel to him, and he comes through the portal kneeling, head bowed, so the former seems kinda weird if the latter was completely voluntary

his back seems to be hurting again after Thor yanks him out of the quinjet and dumps him on a mountain

his conversation with the Other--Loki postures a little but then goes still and silent with tears forming in his eyes and allows the Other to circle around behind him, threaten him, and visibly hurt him; clearly shaken when he comes back. adds up to YIKES.

we all remember “He will make you long for something as sweet as pain” but as far as evidence goes, I find “You think you know pain?” to be even stronger, because it seems...fairly definitive and personal, implying that Loki has experienced significant pain and the Other knows about it, either because it happened on Sanctuary itself or because it happened during Loki’s missing year in general but was significant enough that it came up later (as in, it was discussed, or there was physical evidence when Loki got there)

here’s another great post going over evidence of Loki carrying out the invasion under duress

edit: here’s another one

I always kinda thought "burdened with glorious purpose" could imply someone else did the burdening (which is...only part of the reason I did get super annoyed about it being turned into a context-free catchphrase even before the show, yes, and then the show made that about 10 times worse--not so much in episode 1, I think it's reasonable to assume he's still somewhat under the scepter's influence in the opening scene, but I mean the way the other Lokis and the marketing absolutely ran it into the ground)

Fury says “this doesn’t have to get any messier,” and Loki replies, "I've come too far for anything else." on Avengers Tower, he tells Thor, "it's too late to stop it.” I’m not saying those lines indicate torture, or really anything at all specific, but they do seem relevant in terms of Loki not being the mastermind of this whole mess

"I remember you tossing me into an abyss" indicates possible memory issues, which is...also pretty damn relevant

the scepter is shown affecting the Avengers' moods just by being in the same room, and Bruce even grabs it without realizing (they’re all human except Thor, who doesn’t seem as affected, but it’s still textual evidence of the scepter affecting people without being deliberately used on them)

as a textual comparison, there's a huge contrast between the way Loki behaves toward the Other and by extension Thanos, and the way Ronan behaves toward both of them in GotG, which also implies some things about the differences between those alliances

Ragnarok post-credits: Loki seemed to recognize Sanctuary II and was immediately horrified/terrified, compared to Thor who just looked kinda confused

Infinity War: on the one hand Thanos maybe doesn't know Loki’s Jotun (”well for one thing, I’m not Asgardian”) and that's weird, but on the other, he knows Loki well enough to know the most effective possible way to make Loki give up the Tesseract, and the way he kills him is like...unnecessarily personal, not to mention unnecessary in general because he could’ve just backhanded Loki into the wall, used the Power Stone to explode the ship, and teleported out. instead he wanted Loki’s pain and fear because he liked it. it is really not a stretch to suppose that this was also true when they first knew each other.

and despite the show not really addressing this, at least not directly/explicitly, it actually does provide several new pieces that also fit the theory:

additional (possible) evidence of spinal issues and other indications that he’s frequently in pain--which could of course be from the battle, the Hulk-smashing, and the Tesseract dumping him in the desert, but the fact that Avengers gives us two different pre-battle scenes of possible back issues indicates they might’ve already been around (i.e., from Sanctuary) and just worsened by the battle etc.

he’s absolutely terrified the instant he sees Thanos onscreen in the Time Theater--I mean, the first thing he sees is himself trying to stab Thanos and Thanos stopping him, so yeah, it’s...probably reasonable to assume Thanos isn’t going to have a nice response to somebody trying to stab him? but for somebody who doesn't know the specific context, which show!Loki doesn’t, it could just be part of a battle, and/or it wouldn't seem out of the question for Thanos to just smack him aside. but Loki seems to know immediately that something awful is about to happen and he isn't surprised when it does...only when it actually leads to his death

edit: here’s a fantastic gifset juxtaposing scenes from Avengers, Infinity War, and the show, and basically it just makes all my points for me

edit, January 2024: I didn't realize until much later, but you know how that gifset above juxtaposes Ebony Maw's creepy "even in death you have become Children of Thanos" quote with Loki stuff? well, the actual Loki episode in Legends season 1, which is literally just a clip show catching audiences up on his time in the MCU before the show, also does exactly that. so I'm not saying that Marvel's saying Thanos actually considered Loki one of his kids or at least one of his potential kids for a minute there, with everything that implies given the way he treats his actual kids, but like. I'm not not saying that, and it's interesting, isn't it? Thanos wouldn't even be the only person to use Loki's insecurities and daddy issues to get him to do something (you know, because Mobius literally tells him he's doing this).

edit: when Loki tells Mobius that he hurts people because he’s had to, he’s referring to a lot of things, and he doesn’t necessarily mean “I have literally been hurt by people who will hurt me again if I don’t make them happy” but also, I mean...he could mean that, and putting this scene together with the conversation between him and the Other is...really something.

there’s an early scene on Lamentis where Loki might just be out of breath again as he is many times during the series (from, I would imagine, a lack of ability to stay in shape over the past year, so that’s...also a thing), but he might also be fending off a panic attack--from scary situation in general? orrrrr from dodging asteroids, something that potentially could have happened on Sanctuary, which is itself an asteroid field? I recognize this is kind of a stretch but like, I'm just saying, it does fit

Similarly, his abilities (physical and magical) are pretty damn inconsistent and this is a possible reason

"I've lost track of the number of times I’ve been killed"--either it's hyperbolic bravado that's way more nonsensical than his usual, or...??? combine this with “no resurrections this time” and it’s INTERESTING

additional extratextual evidence:

there’s an Avengers deleted scene where the Other contacts him two more times, once before the battle really gets going and once midbattle (thanks @scintillatingshortgirl19 for the link!). the first time doesn’t look too bad; the second time, though, the contact definitely seems to hurt him. maybe that's not deliberate on the Other’s part like it was before, but it also means the Other is cool with causing him significant (and distracting) pain in the middle of a battle? and also shows he's always watching? plus there are two different instances shown here, only one of which shows Loki reacting with obvious pain when contacted, which certainly could indicate the Other is doing that part deliberately

Hiddleston interviews--didn't give specifics but did say Loki's missing year was Very Very Bad, a struggle to survive a very precarious existence, run-ins with the universe's worst people, lots of brushes with death, etc.; specifically compared it to being kidnapped by terrorists, which doesn't necessarily mean that Loki was kidnapped by terrorists (or that his situation was directly comparable to Tony's in Iron Man, but I assume that’s what he was thinking about), just that it was that level of scary and dangerous, but...it's also a very specific comparison to make!

Marvel confirmed in Loki's bio that the scepter was influencing him and he didn't know it, so although this doesn’t necessarily rise to the level of mind control, torture, etc., it’s still...very relevant

Aug. 2022 edit to add: remember the fan theory that MCU Loki’s eyes are green, but they’re blue in The Avengers because of the scepter’s influence/control? not as blue as the other people completely controlled by the scepter, obviously, but blue enough to suggest Loki wasn’t really in control either? I think this has been mostly debunked as a legit theory based on things like...Tom Hiddleston has blue eyes and there’s no evidence he’s worn colored contacts or had his eyes digitally recolored while playing Loki, so any apparent color change is likely the result of lighting or fans recoloring screenshots after the fact. on the other hand, comics Loki has green eyes for sure, and I’m fairly certain the original Thor posters recolored his eyes to be extremely green and then just dropped that later...and even as late as season 1 of the Loki show, Marvel can’t make up their minds on his eye color as shown in a couple of official licensed figures from the exact same line of toys. the toys in particular almost certainly weren’t intended to mean anything except lousy quality control, but on the other hand if Marvel keeps refusing to be clear about this, then I’m absolutely going to continue finding evidence where none was intended.

so--yes, Loki being tortured by Thanos is...not canon, strictly speaking. but I’m also never going to say it’s just fanon, because there’s a ton of evidence supporting the idea that Loki was not fully in control during the invasion and was doing it under a combination of duress and external influences, and “said duress included actual torture and/or the use of the Mind Stone” is like, maybe one step beyond that. it’s an interpretation, sure, but it fits well enough that it’s an extremely reasonable interpretation, to the point that it seems very possible at least some of the people in charge of Loki’s story did actually intend to imply it.

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Ceiling Vent Clint Barton Masterlist

Caught In A Net (ao3) - ShippersList clint/phil T, 1k

Summary: When Clint started roaming the vents, he didn't exactly expect to stumble upon Coulson's office. What a delightful coincidence.

Clint Barton's Guide to Friends and Ceiling Vents (ao3) - NoliteTimereEos clint/natasha T, 6k

Summary: In which Clint Barton meets a missing assassin in the vents and somehow becomes friends with him. Things don't go as bad as they could have.

Clint Barton's Super Secret Snipers' Club (ao3) - sara_holmes clint/bucky, steve/tony T, 67k

Summary: Clint Barton's Super Secret Snipers' Club. (Invitation and pending mental health evaluation required.)

"When Steve brings Bucky back to the tower for the first time, Clint’s first thought is that Tony Stark’s pride and joy is quickly becoming a less of a very tall and expensive ‘fuck you’ in the faces of investors who don’t believe in self-sustaining energy, and more of a superhero rehabilitation center."

Boyfriends, compromises and learning to like oneself.

Furious Fury and the Interrupting Intern (ao3) - Stella_Malodi nick/darcy G, 1k

Summary: Darcy's trying to find the cafeteria; somehow, she finds her Soulmate instead. (She really should've known better than to ask Clint "The Ventilation System Is My Highway" Barton for directions.)

Darcy had no sense of direction. This could be a problem when she was trying to find her way around SHIELD headquarters, especially since SHIELD agents were apparently horrible at giving step-by-step directions. Because, seriously? “Follow this hallway for five hundred feet, then turn North.” She wasn’t carrying a compass! And how was she supposed to know how far five hundred feet actually was?

Left in the Cold (fanfiction.net) - Nightcrawler's Shadow pepper/tony T, 2k

Summary: Clint doesn't like the cold, Tony needs to know why. The answer may not be what he expected. Bro!vengers, NO SLASH. tiny sprinkle of Pepperony. Rated for mentions of abuse.

Lucky Pennies (ao3) - IamShadow21 clint/phil G, 6k

Summary: In Clint Barton's official SHIELD file, there is a supplemental form with a string of letters and numbers indicating a superhuman ability. On it, there are two pieces of information. The first is 'Asset-Reported Ability (unverified)'. The second is 'Combat/Field Applicable Ability Y/N'. 'N' is circled.

Making The Best Of It (ao3) - dentalfloss clint/phil T, 33k

Summary: “He’s not telling us everything,” Fury reached out and shut the projection off, “I’m not comfortable with this.” Coulson didn’t respond, didn’t need to. “Let Rogers know I want Barton watched; he doesn’t go anywhere alone until we understand exactly what’s going on. I’m not losing him to some egotistical mind-f***ing blade-dancer who has mentor issues and wants to take it out on our asset.”

Phil nodded efficiently. He couldn’t agree more.

My Birdy (ao3) - GayRainbowBridge tony/clint T, 1k

Summary: Clint acts a bit like a bird and Tony finds it adorable but frustrating.

On Nesting (ao3) - snack_size clint/phil M, 5k

Summary: Clint moves into Avengers Tower, and promptly takes up residence in the air ducts, including the one above Bruce's lab. It soon becomes clear that this isn't just a cracky, quirky behavior.

Ordinary Workplace Hazards, Or SHIELD and OSHA Aren't On Speaking Terms (ao3) - scifigrl47 clint/phil, steve/tony M, 25k

Summary: Tony Stark has once again engineered something that might well lead to the downfall of Western Civilization. No one's really surprised. This time, however, it might just be the lesser of two evils.

Clint and Phil hate playing pickup, but damn, Clint loves the Roombas, and damn, Phil loves Clint, though he's not really sure why sometimes. It's time to play Hide-And-Seek with hostile robotic AIs in the SHIELD home office.

Pavlov was a Jerk (ao3) - BeneficialAddiction clint/phil E, 77k

Summary: Clint Barton: World's Greatest Marksman, submissive, high-functioning disaster.

When Clint comes in to SHIELD he's been on his own for almost four years, and he's been keeping himself level using conditioning techniques he's learned from a lifetime of abuse and neglect. Phil Coulson is the first to notice the imbalance – Clint's system seems to be all punishment, no rewards - but Phil's tastes aren't exactly average and it's none of his business anyway. Certain that what he wants is not at all congruent with what Clint deserves Phil keeps his distance, until a mission gone wrong sends the archer tumbling into an nasty case of subdrop and neither of them have any other choice but to take a chance on the other.

That Awkward Moment When Your Whole Class Shows Up At Your House (ao3) - MurdockSchmurdock T, 25k

Summary: After May tells Midtown High about an injury Peter sustained in a Spider-man incident, he is more than content to spend the next few weeks "recuperating" at Stark/Avengers Tower. It seems the universe has other plans, however, and Peter ends up being swept into his class's field trip. At Stark Tower. Wonderful.

That One Time Clint Lived in the Vents at Stark Tower for Three Months and No One Knew (ao3) - Era_Penn tony/clint T, 4k

Summary: Tony was pretty sure there was a ghost living out its afterlife in his kitchen. He thought it must have moved in approximately two Thursdays ago, and it seemed to really enjoying cooking - especially Italian - and crappy Chinese takeout. It also seemed to be very friendly, as it always left a note that said something along the lines of ‘for my generous host’ or ‘leftovers are Tony’s, NO ONE EAT’ on top of the food.

The Things You See (fanfiction.net) - DepressingGreenie steve/tony T, 605

Summary: Clint catches Steve and Tony making out.

Watching over you (ao3) - Ruquas

Summary: He didn‘t even mean to make it a habit at first. He just wanted to make sure that Pietro was okay. Just like with Phil the first time the other man had been hurt on a mission. Or Natasha. Or Tony. Or any other member of the team. He even had slept above Steve’s quarter a few nights, and he was a super soldier.

Welcome Home (ao3) - CarlyWrites wanda/vision T, 57k

Summary: Wanda arrives at the new Avenger's facility in New York and struggles to find her place among the team while dealing with the consequences of her actions following Ultron. However, her newfound family is quickly shaken to its core when one of their own is seriously injured. Part 1 of the Natasha and Wanda Series Not CACW Compliant

Where Spider-man is Not Having a Good Time and Neither is Anyone Else (ao3) - Guessthisiswhat N/R, 13k

Summary:Stark Expo, May 2010 14 kids go missing in the attack. Only one found alive.

May 2016 Peter Parker escapes the compound he's been in for the last six years.

August 2016 Spider-man makes his first appearance.

Or Peter Parker was kidnapped by Hydra at the Stark Expo in 2010 and was never reported missing because Aunt May and Uncle Ben died in the attack. Six years later he has escaped and now takes up the Spider-man persona. Leading the Avengers to be tracking him down, all while he is homeless.

You See, It Was Like This (ao3) - WriteItSmall (scribblemyname) G, 100

Summary: "Why is Agent Barton hiding in the vent above your desk?"

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The Avengers fics circa 2014 that featured strange ceiling vent noises eventually revealed to be Clint Barton rummaging around in the vents like an overgrown raccoon hit differently, I swear. They all lived together, there was drama but it was mostly roommate stuff. Not sure who started that trend but I applaud them.

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Some more easy comment ideas to leave on your favorite fics:

1. LETS GOOOOOO!!! (after a particularly exciting chapter)

2. Ohmygosh yes!!! You get it!!! This is exactly how I imagine this [character, dynamic, scene, au, ect]

3. Noooooooo 🥺🥺🥺🥺 (after a particularly devastating chapter)

4. Heck Yeah!!

5. My children! You hurt them! How dare!

6. You have blessed us! May both sides of your pillow stay cool! (Or any other blessing of your choice)

7. Thank you!

8. It even [surprised, shocked, broke my heart] on the reread! Excellent work!! (Only if this a reread)

9. I wish I could leave a longer comment, this fic deserves one! Bravo!

10. 10/10 would let break my heart again

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Yo I feel like the idea that the only historical women who counted are the ones who defied society and took on the traditionally male roles is… not actually that feminist. It IS important that women throughout history were warriors and strategists and politicians and businesswomen, but so many of us were “lowly” weavers and bakers and wives and mothers and I feel like dismissing THOSE roles dismisses so many of our mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers and the shit they did to support our civilization with so little thanks or recognition.

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If I ever became a famous author, I would write silly fanfiction about my characters and not reveal that it’s me. See if people realize or not lol