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One of my favorite thought experiments to have about the Greek Myths is trying to match up the timelines between the Ancient Greeks coming up and "perfecting" their stories as it spreads orally across the city-states and mixes into the new territories which come into their circle one way or another, and with the timeline of the actual Mythos, which literally starts thousands of years before Greece was founded, and even the actual living/biotic world if you try to actually pin down the timeline of the reign of the Primordials, to the Titans, and the eventual Gods along with the timeline of the human creation myth.

My personal favorite thought to entertain which is more likely than not a one-off thought (meaning I don't attach it to any story/other thought set), is that the memories just Appeared as the mortals came up with their stories. Yes, to the memories and the minds of the Gods, their timeline is completely accurate, no matter the difference in the past or future it has with the Mortal Times, but the Gods do not remember specifically doing it. It is simply a fact to them as it comes out and eventually churns into a full-out memory as the mortals flesh their myths out and it becomes a widely-popular belief.

Another, much less interesting and gives too little credit to humans and their abilities to create and imagine religion is that, at the times the humans speak their myths, it is because the gods have Revealed it to them. Which, would definitely work in more God(s) Are Omnipotent religion, such as Christianity and Islam, but not in the Greek Mythos where mistakes and flaws of the gods are the primary focus. I'd like to think their myths are a messy mix between themselves, Fate, and humans being humans--good and bad.

(It also helps explain and pay homage to all the instances where the religion and myths extended beyond where the Ancient Greeks would have wanted it to be, such as Lord Zeus having so many children despite the Ancient Greeks not originally/generally not wanting Him to have so many [it is because all the mixed cultures, as mentioned earlier, where the new ones also have children of their Chief Gods and the stories just mixed into vaguely/somewhat what we know now]. It also explains all the knowledge we have lost throughout the years, the knowledge gained through modern interpretations, the renaissances, books, movies, characterizations, etc., and it also tackles modern interpretations and mainstream "misinformation" we see in society today from the general public.)

Idk, it's a fickly thought experiment to apply to literally anything, but it's an incredibly nice one to have regardless that adds a little bit of Humanity to them :)).

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Assorted Odydio/Odypendio doodles. Some of these r kinda old 🫶

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anyway au where odysseus saves his men by becoming zeus' winebearer for a year to spare ganymede some time to spend with his family. wine tastes better off the skin of kings apparently

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Decided to draw Odysseus and Athena in her Owl form! They're besties, your honor.

(Maeve the Fae is my names on Youtube ahahaha. If you want to see a speed draw of this it'll be on there)

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LOOK WHAT YOU'VE TURNED ME INTO. LOOK WHAT WE'VE BECOME.

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"Didn't you say, 'ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves'?"

I became familiar with the Odyssey and I am coping the only way I know how

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Odysseus: Yes, I make a lot of decisions that put me in danger.

Diomedes: Us. You put US in danger!

Odysseus: Darling, this whole thing is a package deal.

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RECOUNT AND REVOTE!

For those in the US, there is a petition demanding a recount and revote as well as an investigation about the sudden change in support. Your voice matters and I encourage you to sign!

EDIT: Change.org removed the old petition so here's a new one for you all to sign! Leaving the old one here in case it gets put back up. I'm not going down without a fight.

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Could enough food to last the entire crew the journey home save him?

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Penelope!!!! (If she was in Hades 2)

The location I would put her in doesn’t exist in the game yet, but I tried to do a bit of a background.

Personally I would understand if Penelope doesn’t actually show up in Hades 2, there’s so much going on in the game already, buuuut if she was there….

I think there’s a lot of fun metaphor in unraveling the day’s weavings as a form of turning back the clock, hence “Witch of Unwinding”. Penelope isn’t referred to as a witch in any myths that I know of, but for various reasons I think it’s a fun change.

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one thing about Odysseus, he gon stand on business 🙂‍↕️‼️

im actually obsessed w/ 600 Strike so i worked on this doodle for a little longer than i probably should've hehe

two versions bc aint no wayyyy yall trippin over the color of some blood...

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Sk vengeance saga thoughts

SK HAS A THOUGHT (well, multiple) OCUR FOR ONCE

my thoughts on the vengeance saga broken down by song!

be warned that this is long as hell and please don’t get mad at me if you disagree these are just my opinions <3

tw for I’m not sorry for loving you I briefly touch on rape/sa and suicide

I’m not sorry for loving you - Honestly this song is a masterwork. The music, the vocals (wangui i love you), everything. I think it portrays calypso in a very interesting light. I don’t think it makes the listener sympathetic towards her —or it doesn’t for me— but it makes you almost pity her. I know Jorge doesn’t go into detail about what happened in the seven years on the island like it does in the original odyssey (ahem calypso raping and sa’ing him), but I feel like we can assume from what we saw in “love in paradise” that ody ain’t doin so hot. I personally think this had to have something to do with Calypso’s behavior at least somewhat, and I say this because of how in the entire rest of the musical, ody has had so much hope for getting back home to the point where he will not allow himself to give up hope because of how desperately he wants/needs to be home. However, in the end of “love in paradise” we can see that Ody has basically given up all hope, and is literally about to jump off the cliff. Coming back to “I’m not sorry for loving you” now, this song to me definitely comes off as very manipulative. Calypso doesn’t really apologize for her actions towards ody, and just kinda names a few vague ideas and says that she admits that it was wrong, before basically saying that it’s his fault because of the line “then I am sorry that my love is too much for you” practically putting the blame of ody’s despair on ody, that the reason he’s upset his only his own fault, which to me is like saying “why are you so depressed? Just be happy.” On the flip I understand why calypso might have done this, she hasn’t had anyone in her life in so long, and that she feels like this is her only opportunity, so she must cling on to it. On the slip side, Ody has way more self control than me, “but not in the way that you want me to” dude I would not be that calm lmao. In conclusion though, I strongly dislike calypso but that doesn’t mean I don’t think that’s she’s a very complex character that deserves the opportunity to be studied under a microscope.

Dangerous - This song starts out sad af. The way there’s a pause after “cause I had one goal in mind” where the crew used to be singing? I’m sobbing. As we continue on, it gets better (Hermes my beloved). I feel like in this song though, Hermes’s laugh sounds way more forced than it did in “wouldn’t you like.” From this alone we can tell that Hermes knows how much tension there is in this situation, and how much is riding on this. And then he proceeds to sing one of the most catchy choruses & verses ever. His voice sounds a lot less lighthearted in this song though —not that it’s not lighthearted and kinda silly, but just in comparison to “wouldn’t you like” I feel like it sounds a lot more serious. Hermes singing Aeolus’s melody when giving him the wind bag is a really worthwhile touch in my opinion. I also noticed in ody’s little verse he rhymes “dangerous my friend” with “danger is my friend.” And ody saying he’s going to use ruthlessness? Subtle foreshadowing (wink wink). And then Hermes hinting at “god games” to end it off? Chef’s kiss.

Charybdis - I feel stupid for saying this, but the song reminds me of “Storm” from the Ocean saga. I think I draw similarities in the melody and the way the word “Storm”the phrase “Oh o bring it on!” And the last “Ohohohohoh!” In the song. And maybe in the bass and drums a bit too. I haven’t seen anyone else mention this though, but my irl winion friends agreed with me so I’m not sure. I like ody explaining his thoughts is still very melodic. And the end of this song, I like how much softer Ody’s voice gets when seeing the coast of Ithaca and thinking about how close he is to Penelope and Telemachus, only for him to get brutally interrupted by Poseidon. I really like this song, and I honestly wish it was a little longer. Also, my dad has been a music professor for the past 20 years and he has a song he composed named Charybdis so I’m automatically attached to this song.

Get in the Water - STEVEN RODRIGUEZ WELCOME BACK TO THE STAGE! This song was so anticipated by me, and it did not disappoint. The musical entrance of this song feels very powerful to me, especially with how it stops when Poseidon first starts to speak, before starting up again. I really like how the first “get in the water” (after the “now get in the water” but before the “or I’ll raise the tide so high-“) is sung, it hits my brain just the right way were I can so clearly envision Poseidon smugly gesturing for Ody to get in the water. The chorus of voices kicking in in the second chorus just keeps the tensions rising. The little verse about Ody asking Poseidon to leave him alone and just go home and then telling him he could learn to forgive was extremely unexpected to me for some reason, but I think it sets up six hundred strike really well because Ody did try to talk it out first and then moved to ruthlessness after that didnt work. TYEN POSEIDON’S SHATTER THE OCEAN MOVE OR WHATEVER JAY CALLED IT?!? WHAT. I - I CANT EVEN DESCRIBE HOW INCREDIBLE. WORDS SIMPLY CANNOT DESCRIBE. and then when ody’s underwater? polites is haunting the narrative again? and eury? and his mom? aND THEN THE WHOLE CREW? AND THEN THEY ALL SING THE “WAITING”??? MY HEART. MY HEART CANNOT TAKE IT. ITS SO BEAUTIFUL YET SO HEARTBREAKING.

Six Hundred Strike - The idea of having Ody use the wind bag as a jetpack is so fucking goofy in my opinion —don’t get me wrong, I love it, it’s just silly as hell. The whole speech to Poseidon about how he will get back to his son and he will get back to his wife? Mhm yes, good soup. However, i don’t really know how a lot of other people took this, but what I thought is that after that speech the spirits of the fallen men were doing most of the work to kick Poseidon’s ass, especially after Ody says “six hundred strike!!!!!” but maybe I’m stupid. Although, I think it works better that way, since I honestly don’t really like the idea of Ody being able to so single-handily defeat Poseidon. Which brings me to the stabbing. I was audibly gasping when this first happened during the stream ngl, and my eyes probably looked like they were about to roll out of my head. I saw someone in the comments after the stream ended saying that they headcanoned that the reason why Poseidon’s shouts of pain sounded so melodic is because they were music to Ody’s ears, and now I’m stealing that. But when Poseidon called him a monster? If it wasn’t for the fact that everyone else in my house was asleep during the stream I would have been SCREAMING. Also the line “next to my wife” left me in absolute disrepair. However, I disagree with the idea of Ody being able to defeat Poseidon so easily. I since have decided to subscribe to the theory of Ares helping Ody out, since Athena could not. I like this idea because 1, I feel like it makes more sense as to why ody was able to defeat Poseidon (divine intervention wink wink) and 2, idk I just like the idea that Ares was helping his sister out for once, but not to her knowledge (bc he still wants to be kinda a dick to her). And yes, I know that this heavily, heavily, HEAVILY diverges from the odyssey, and a lot of people were hoping for something a little more by the book in this s saga, but honestly? There are lots of other things already in epic’s entirety that differ from the Odyssey, so I personally don’t really see the problem there, nor do I agree with the people I’ve seen saying that Jorge needs to “actually read the classics” because it’s pretty damn obvious (at least to me) that he has. On a completely different note, I love how many motifs and callbacks there are in this song. I especially like the “different beast” motif playing right before Ody gets more violent, foreshadowing right before the moment that he is no longer in danger; he is the danger.

anyways yeah those are my thoughts! Feel free to disagree with me though and lmk what you think :)

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Calypso & Odysseus :’)

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Well I’m not wrong…

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Diomedes the man you are

This is the first (non AI) thing that comes up if you Google 'Diomedes greek mythology' and I'm not kidding