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And the misconception bigger than all others in the DC universe according to Tumblr voters is that Nighting is a slut/himbo!!

Do you agree? Think that's a misconception in itself? Think there's room for interpretation? Feel like something else should've won instead? Sound off in the notes and let people know! After all, this is comics we're talking about. ;) Either way, congrats Dick Grayson, hopefully your truest fans know who you really are.

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This was an interesting tournament, and I really hope it was fun to see what was on people's radar. I especially hope it didn't make yall pull out all your hair in frustration or hit too many nerves. The way I see it, it's all in good fun, even the bitching and moaning. Part of being a comics fan in a weirdly endearing yet annoying way that I think we can all identify with.

Anyway, thanks for sticking with us to the end of this one. See you around!

Biggest DC Misconception

- THE FINALS -

At this point you know the drill. I don't need to lay it out for you. You've seen the submissions for months. So which is it? Which is more egregious to get wrong? Which is just plain not in the text? Which is the thing that people think is true but isn't?

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Heh if you just saw me post the misconception schedule (which yes I keep in drafts as a quick reference for myself), no you didnt 😅

Anyway, here's your reminder that this closes in an hour and a half so get final votes in!!!

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The Misconception tournament is nearly over, and well the plan was to start winding down this account. Its been a year+, and I feel like things have mostly run their course. its good knowing the other DC tournament account that someone runs is more active and going strong, so i dont feel so bad kind of fading away. I have other poll and event ideas, but less energy to actually run them. Ive been on the fence about doing a rainbow tournament where we take in submissions for characters for different costume colors or color schemes (metals, invisible, pastel, etc) and do individual polls for each. Only do tournament style if a color really had enough entries to warrant it. But all the other poll ideas we've mulled over (see our poll-ideas tag) just dont have the right panache to make them quite worth doing. And as you know if youve been here a while, i often looked for ways to spice things up and not just do a plain old tournament. I hope that was fun, even if sometimes it got a little weird. But that's harder and harder to do with this limited format.

So yeah, I'll keep the account around for now. Post a few single polls ive had drafted. If things go kinda quiet after this current event wraps up, youll know why. And who knows, maybe inspiration will strike and I'll spin up a new event a few months down the road.

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Biggest DC Misconception

- THE FINALS -

At this point you know the drill. I don't need to lay it out for you. You've seen the submissions for months. So which is it? Which is more egregious to get wrong? Which is just plain not in the text? Which is the thing that people think is true but isn't?

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Biggest DC Misconception

Semi-Finals - Match 2

Stephanie Brown is from Crime Alley

Stephanie Brown was solidly middle class when she was introduced. Although a lot of her problems (pill popping mother, villan father, teen pregnancy) were viewed as "poor people problems" she was not. She had a regular house in the suburbs and had her own motorcycle and equipment (although she could have stolen it from her villan father). (I think she was supposed to be relatable in that these problems can happen to anyone but fannon has taken that away from her and said that those are poor people problems so she must be poor)

And another submission…

The misconception is that Stephanie Brown (Spoiler, later the 4th main continuity Robin, later Batgirl) is from Crime Alley, also known as Park Row, or sometimes other impoverished areas of Gotham City such as The Narrows. In the Post-Crisis Pre-Flashpoint era of comics, Stephanie is canonically from a mainland suburb of Gotham, not the island city itself. In her introductory arc, the Bats specifically track her down to the "Manchester suburb" which is seen as having a low skyline, unlike the tall buildings of Gotham City. In a later comics, Stephanie describes herself as Spoiler as the "defender of the suburbs", pointing out that Batman and Robin focus on the city. Why it's important to know: fans who place her childhood in Park Row or the Narrows are often drawing direct parallels between her and Jason Todd or Duke Thomas, and a contrast to non-urban-childhood characters, completely inaccurately, ignoring her actual canon experiences. Suburbs of Gotham still deal with similar issues, but they aren't interchangeable with the urban center itself. Characters can have parallels without having grown up in the exact same place as each other; the misconception flattens and simplifies all of them. Additionally, this era of comics had Stephanie dealing with stigmatized issues such as a criminal father, a drug addicted mother, a teen pregnancy, and childhood abuse. The canon made it clear these are problems kids in the suburbs may experience. The misconception that Stephanie is from Crime Alley reinforces the stereotype that crime, drug addiction, and teen pregnancy are only urban issues. Reinforces the classist myth that suburbs are "nicer" and "safer" than the city.

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Green Arrow cheated on Black Canary with Shado

In the Mike Grell comic run, Ollie was unconscious when Shado "had sex with him" (aka sexually assaulted a man who couldn't consent) and it's incredibly messed up to blame Ollie for his own rape

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Biggest DC Misconception

Semi-Finals - Match 1

Cass only uses ASL

Cassandra Cain can speak now, and even when she couldn’t speak, she didn’t know sign language. My girl’s first language is body language, and while ASL can be literal at times, it’s not the same as reading body language. I’m talking about the mainline universe starting from no man’s land, going through batgirl 2000, and even leading up to the modern era I believe. It can be a fun head canon that she uses ASL, but the girl can speak, does speak, and enjoys speaking (as we approach the more modern era, she worked with clayface and they did Shakespeare together and she loved doing it). Her being able to communicate in verbal English was the basis for a major plot point in Batgirl 2000; some wacky power things happened, and she ended up (unwittingly) trading her natural ability to read body language for the ability to communicate in English. This is also the basis for the suicidal tendencies culminating in Shiva killing her. Again, the ASL is a fun head canon as an addition to her communication, but she’s fought so hard to learn to love communicating in verbal English, and it hurts when people take that away from her. Her learning to read, write, and speak is tied so deeply to her development, and you lose so much from her as a character when that’s taken out of the picture.

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Nightwing is a slut/himbo

This is something I see way too often and why I stopped interacting with Nightwing "fans". Nightwing isn't a slut and I don't know why this even has to be said, he's said it himself that -he could never make love to someone he doesn't truly love- (paraphrasing). And everyone making him out to be a sex object that fucks anyone who looks at him is gross especially since he is a r#pe victim.

And the Bimbo comments are also ridiculous he's once of the best detectives and he was taught by Batman he's proven time and time again in comics that he's fully capable by himself and is a great detective but because he's hot he gets dumbed down to himbo.

(Additional notes: Devin Grayson does write nightwing as a slut and Tom Taylor dose write him as a himbo these are both badly written versions of the character and doesn't actually represent him.) (The versions I'm referring here are The New Teen Titans, outsiders and Nightwing (Chuck Dixon)

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The last two finished close, but this one's even closer. Only a few hours left!!

Biggest DC Misconception

Quarter-Finals - Match 3

Stephanie Brown is from Crime Alley

Stephanie Brown was solidly middle class when she was introduced. Although a lot of her problems (pill popping mother, villan father, teen pregnancy) were viewed as "poor people problems" she was not. She had a regular house in the suburbs and had her own motorcycle and equipment (although she could have stolen it from her villan father). (I think she was supposed to be relatable in that these problems can happen to anyone but fannon has taken that away from her and said that those are poor people problems so she must be poor)

And another submission…

The misconception is that Stephanie Brown (Spoiler, later the 4th main continuity Robin, later Batgirl) is from Crime Alley, also known as Park Row, or sometimes other impoverished areas of Gotham City such as The Narrows. In the Post-Crisis Pre-Flashpoint era of comics, Stephanie is canonically from a mainland suburb of Gotham, not the island city itself. In her introductory arc, the Bats specifically track her down to the "Manchester suburb" which is seen as having a low skyline, unlike the tall buildings of Gotham City. In a later comics, Stephanie describes herself as Spoiler as the "defender of the suburbs", pointing out that Batman and Robin focus on the city. Why it's important to know: fans who place her childhood in Park Row or the Narrows are often drawing direct parallels between her and Jason Todd or Duke Thomas, and a contrast to non-urban-childhood characters, completely inaccurately, ignoring her actual canon experiences. Suburbs of Gotham still deal with similar issues, but they aren't interchangeable with the urban center itself. Characters can have parallels without having grown up in the exact same place as each other; the misconception flattens and simplifies all of them. Additionally, this era of comics had Stephanie dealing with stigmatized issues such as a criminal father, a drug addicted mother, a teen pregnancy, and childhood abuse. The canon made it clear these are problems kids in the suburbs may experience. The misconception that Stephanie is from Crime Alley reinforces the stereotype that crime, drug addiction, and teen pregnancy are only urban issues. Reinforces the classist myth that suburbs are "nicer" and "safer" than the city.

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Clark Kent is Kon El's Dad

Fans assume that just because Kon shares Clark's DNA that Clark should be a father figure to him. In canon Kon and Clark explicitly view each other as brothers.

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Biggest DC Misconception

Quarter Finals - Match 4

John Constantine adopts *insert character here*

Idk when, why or how people got the idea Constantine would adopt and take care of a kid and would also be good at it and the kids life would be better with John than whomever but it's just dumb. John's talked before in Hellblazer about not liking kids he talkes about it for 2 pages straight, while he's an okay uncle to Geraldine Chandler that's about it. Idk about the current hellblazer run as I haven't read that but in og comics he's very against having kids let alone activity going out of his way to adopt one from the good in his heart, because his life is shit he would never bringing a kid into it because he knows that the kid would probably end up dead. (I see a lot of J.C adopts - Jason Todd, Danny Phantom (why???) And Billy Batson-)

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Green Arrow cheated on Black Canary with Shado

In the Mike Grell comic run, Ollie was unconscious when Shado "had sex with him" (aka sexually assaulted a man who couldn't consent) and it's incredibly messed up to blame Ollie for his own rape

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Biggest DC Misconception

Quarter-Finals - Match 3

Stephanie Brown is from Crime Alley

Stephanie Brown was solidly middle class when she was introduced. Although a lot of her problems (pill popping mother, villan father, teen pregnancy) were viewed as "poor people problems" she was not. She had a regular house in the suburbs and had her own motorcycle and equipment (although she could have stolen it from her villan father). (I think she was supposed to be relatable in that these problems can happen to anyone but fannon has taken that away from her and said that those are poor people problems so she must be poor)

And another submission…

The misconception is that Stephanie Brown (Spoiler, later the 4th main continuity Robin, later Batgirl) is from Crime Alley, also known as Park Row, or sometimes other impoverished areas of Gotham City such as The Narrows. In the Post-Crisis Pre-Flashpoint era of comics, Stephanie is canonically from a mainland suburb of Gotham, not the island city itself. In her introductory arc, the Bats specifically track her down to the "Manchester suburb" which is seen as having a low skyline, unlike the tall buildings of Gotham City. In a later comics, Stephanie describes herself as Spoiler as the "defender of the suburbs", pointing out that Batman and Robin focus on the city. Why it's important to know: fans who place her childhood in Park Row or the Narrows are often drawing direct parallels between her and Jason Todd or Duke Thomas, and a contrast to non-urban-childhood characters, completely inaccurately, ignoring her actual canon experiences. Suburbs of Gotham still deal with similar issues, but they aren't interchangeable with the urban center itself. Characters can have parallels without having grown up in the exact same place as each other; the misconception flattens and simplifies all of them. Additionally, this era of comics had Stephanie dealing with stigmatized issues such as a criminal father, a drug addicted mother, a teen pregnancy, and childhood abuse. The canon made it clear these are problems kids in the suburbs may experience. The misconception that Stephanie is from Crime Alley reinforces the stereotype that crime, drug addiction, and teen pregnancy are only urban issues. Reinforces the classist myth that suburbs are "nicer" and "safer" than the city.

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Clark Kent is Kon El's Dad

Fans assume that just because Kon shares Clark's DNA that Clark should be a father figure to him. In canon Kon and Clark explicitly view each other as brothers.

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Biggest DC Misconception

Quarter-Finals - Match 2

Nightwing is a slut/himbo

This is something I see way too often and why I stopped interacting with Nightwing "fans". Nightwing isn't a slut and I don't know why this even has to be said, he's said it himself that -he could never make love to someone he doesn't truly love- (paraphrasing). And everyone making him out to be a sex object that fucks anyone who looks at him is gross especially since he is a r#pe victim.

And the Bimbo comments are also ridiculous he's once of the best detectives and he was taught by Batman he's proven time and time again in comics that he's fully capable by himself and is a great detective but because he's hot he gets dumbed down to himbo.

(Additional notes: Devin Grayson does write nightwing as a slut and Tom Taylor dose write him as a himbo these are both badly written versions of the character and doesn't actually represent him.) (The versions I'm referring here are The New Teen Titans, outsiders and Nightwing (Chuck Dixon)

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Jason has Lazarus Pit Madness

Not true. Being dunked in the Lazarus Pitt once causes disorientation for a few hous, at most days. Afterwards Jason was perfectly sound of mind, and every time he kills people it's done due to his own free will, not some magic water compelling him to. Also his eyes never turn glowing green.

And another entry...

i'm actually not sure of its origins, but "Pit madness" is what happens when a person is dunked into the Lazarus Pit, it's specifically used to explain Jason's murderous tendencies as Red Hood. this isn't actually true, Jason's anger as Red Hood is completely his own, something that he himself addresses, saying that he thought that maybe he became [Red Hood] because of the Lazarus Pit, before realizing it was all him and that maybe he's been like that all along. it infuriates me because when people use it, they are completely stripping Jason of his morals, and blaming it all on Pit Madness and making it something he needs to be cured of. plus, batfans seem to only use it for Jason, completely ignoring others that have been in the Lazarus Pit (e.g. Cass, Dinah, Lady Shiva, Talia. notice the common thing in these characters).

And one more entry...

Jason Todd did not have Lazarus Pit madness. Even putting that fact aside, Lazarus Pit madness is temporary; it’s not a long-term, recurring condition, and not everyone who is exposed to the Pit’s waters contracts it. We see Jason in the direct aftermath of exposure, and he shows no symptoms known to apply whatsoever. He was completely in control of all of his actions which followed.

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Biggest DC Misconception

Quarter-Finals - Match 1

Cass only uses ASL

Cassandra Cain can speak now, and even when she couldn’t speak, she didn’t know sign language. My girl’s first language is body language, and while ASL can be literal at times, it’s not the same as reading body language. I’m talking about the mainline universe starting from no man’s land, going through batgirl 2000, and even leading up to the modern era I believe. It can be a fun head canon that she uses ASL, but the girl can speak, does speak, and enjoys speaking (as we approach the more modern era, she worked with clayface and they did Shakespeare together and she loved doing it). Her being able to communicate in verbal English was the basis for a major plot point in Batgirl 2000; some wacky power things happened, and she ended up (unwittingly) trading her natural ability to read body language for the ability to communicate in English. This is also the basis for the suicidal tendencies culminating in Shiva killing her. Again, the ASL is a fun head canon as an addition to her communication, but she’s fought so hard to learn to love communicating in verbal English, and it hurts when people take that away from her. Her learning to read, write, and speak is tied so deeply to her development, and you lose so much from her as a character when that’s taken out of the picture.

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No Metas in Gotham

Everyone thinks Batman doesn't allow metahumans in Gotham and somehow chases them out of the city.

This would be like Batman not allowing black people in Gotham. Batman is not racist.

Also Batman has no official capacity in Gotham, being vengeance and the night. Which give him less authority than the city dog catcher.

Metahumans are more than welcome anywhere in Gotham just as any other person or alien is welcome in Gotham in any media: comics, animation series and films, and live action films.

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Biggest DC Misconception

Round 3 - Match 8

Green Arrow cheated on Black Canary with Shado

In the Mike Grell comic run, Ollie was unconscious when Shado "had sex with him" (aka sexually assaulted a man who couldn't consent) and it's incredibly messed up to blame Ollie for his own rape

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John Stewart is boring

- grew up with a family legend about how his grandpa died because he was stabbed through the heart by 'a woman who loved him too much.' John later uses this to explain why he only dates women who can kill him. (Mosaic) - when the space zombie apocalypse happened John went rogue to kill all his turned best friends because he believed he was the only one who could handle that level of murder. This man needs NO excuse to kill for a greater good. (Blackest Night) - tried to commit suicide and Martian Manhunter (telepath) knew the ONLY way to talk John down from shooting himself was to say "do it, pussy." John had a gun in his mouth and only lowered it out of SPITE. (Cosmic Odyssey) there's so much more but I don't have time. He's insane you guys PLEASE read some more John centric stuff

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Biggest DC Misconception

Round 3 - Match 7

John Constantine adopts *insert character here*

Idk when, why or how people got the idea Constantine would adopt and take care of a kid and would also be good at it and the kids life would be better with John than whomever but it's just dumb. John's talked before in Hellblazer about not liking kids he talkes about it for 2 pages straight, while he's an okay uncle to Geraldine Chandler that's about it. Idk about the current hellblazer run as I haven't read that but in og comics he's very against having kids let alone activity going out of his way to adopt one from the good in his heart, because his life is shit he would never bringing a kid into it because he knows that the kid would probably end up dead. (I see a lot of J.C adopts - Jason Todd, Danny Phantom (why???) And Billy Batson-)

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Orion (New Gods) is a huge douchebag

Orion, created by Jack Kirby, is often portrayed in recent comics as a prick who doesn't respect anyone, is always looking for combat and seems to support war. Its probably because the writers seem to think that anyone from apokolips is like that. Also because they seem to portray him as such to give better light to Mister Miracle. Orion represents the concept of Nurture vs Nature. He is a warrior who wants peace above anything. He has violent tendencies, but he tries not to partake in them. The ambient he's more comfortable with is war, but he knows that it causes nothing but suffering for anyone involved and tries to leave all the people he cares about out of it. The character is flawed, yes, But doesn't change the fact that after everything Orion wants to be a good person and i'm sick of every writer portraying him as nothing but a 2 dimensional asshole.

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Biggest DC Misconception

Round 3 - Match 6

Batfam calls each other by many nicknames

Goldie, Demon Brat, Replacement, Baby Bird, Baby Bat, etc….. none of these are real things any of the Bats call each other with any regularity at all!

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Clark Kent is Kon El's Dad

Fans assume that just because Kon shares Clark's DNA that Clark should be a father figure to him. In canon Kon and Clark explicitly view each other as brothers.

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Biggest DC Misconception

Round 3 - Match 5

Stephanie Brown is from Crime Alley

Stephanie Brown was solidly middle class when she was introduced. Although a lot of her problems (pill popping mother, villan father, teen pregnancy) were viewed as "poor people problems" she was not. She had a regular house in the suburbs and had her own motorcycle and equipment (although she could have stolen it from her villan father). (I think she was supposed to be relatable in that these problems can happen to anyone but fannon has taken that away from her and said that those are poor people problems so she must be poor)

And another submission…

The misconception is that Stephanie Brown (Spoiler, later the 4th main continuity Robin, later Batgirl) is from Crime Alley, also known as Park Row, or sometimes other impoverished areas of Gotham City such as The Narrows. In the Post-Crisis Pre-Flashpoint era of comics, Stephanie is canonically from a mainland suburb of Gotham, not the island city itself. In her introductory arc, the Bats specifically track her down to the "Manchester suburb" which is seen as having a low skyline, unlike the tall buildings of Gotham City. In a later comics, Stephanie describes herself as Spoiler as the "defender of the suburbs", pointing out that Batman and Robin focus on the city. Why it's important to know: fans who place her childhood in Park Row or the Narrows are often drawing direct parallels between her and Jason Todd or Duke Thomas, and a contrast to non-urban-childhood characters, completely inaccurately, ignoring her actual canon experiences. Suburbs of Gotham still deal with similar issues, but they aren't interchangeable with the urban center itself. Characters can have parallels without having grown up in the exact same place as each other; the misconception flattens and simplifies all of them. Additionally, this era of comics had Stephanie dealing with stigmatized issues such as a criminal father, a drug addicted mother, a teen pregnancy, and childhood abuse. The canon made it clear these are problems kids in the suburbs may experience. The misconception that Stephanie is from Crime Alley reinforces the stereotype that crime, drug addiction, and teen pregnancy are only urban issues. Reinforces the classist myth that suburbs are "nicer" and "safer" than the city.

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The joker is insane

the joker hasn’t lost touch with reality, he is capable of telling right from wrong, he chooses to perpetuate violence because he likes it. in the killing joke he tries to push jim gordon to have “one bad day” to reach a low point where the only option is insanity but he is unsuccessful because gordon chooses to uphold his duty as police commissioner and follow the law. in under the red hood jason todd points out that the joker is not as crazy as he likes people to believe and the joker is clearly unhappy at being called out.

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Biggest DC Misconception

Round 3 - Match 4

Jason has Lazarus Pit Madness

Not true. Being dunked in the Lazarus Pitt once causes disorientation for a few hous, at most days. Afterwards Jason was perfectly sound of mind, and every time he kills people it's done due to his own free will, not some magic water compelling him to. Also his eyes never turn glowing green.

And another entry...

i'm actually not sure of its origins, but "Pit madness" is what happens when a person is dunked into the Lazarus Pit, it's specifically used to explain Jason's murderous tendencies as Red Hood. this isn't actually true, Jason's anger as Red Hood is completely his own, something that he himself addresses, saying that he thought that maybe he became [Red Hood] because of the Lazarus Pit, before realizing it was all him and that maybe he's been like that all along. it infuriates me because when people use it, they are completely stripping Jason of his morals, and blaming it all on Pit Madness and making it something he needs to be cured of. plus, batfans seem to only use it for Jason, completely ignoring others that have been in the Lazarus Pit (e.g. Cass, Dinah, Lady Shiva, Talia. notice the common thing in these characters).

And one more entry...

Jason Todd did not have Lazarus Pit madness. Even putting that fact aside, Lazarus Pit madness is temporary; it’s not a long-term, recurring condition, and not everyone who is exposed to the Pit’s waters contracts it. We see Jason in the direct aftermath of exposure, and he shows no symptoms known to apply whatsoever. He was completely in control of all of his actions which followed.

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Guy Gardner is an asshole

He was a social worker turned SEND phys ed teacher who had a horrible childhood and decided to use it to help people until superheroing gave him a traumatic brain injury and YES in the 80s he was then played as 'haha brain injury made man go mean' but EVEN THEN he was brave and loyal and yeah he's brash and deliberately annoying but he's maybe the most selfless green lantern of the core four. He won't just die to save another life, he'll damn himself to constant torment to save another life. He so good you guys

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Biggest DC Misconception

Round 3 - Match 3

Jason was revived by the Lazarus pit

Jason was acctually (☝️🤓) brought back to life when Superboy Prime broke the wall of reality in the event Infinity Crisis, changeing a lot of the canon at the moment and "fixing things that weren't where they should be", according to this comic Jason/Robin dying should never had happened.

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Nightwing is a slut/himbo

This is something I see way too often and why I stopped interacting with Nightwing "fans". Nightwing isn't a slut and I don't know why this even has to be said, he's said it himself that -he could never make love to someone he doesn't truly love- (paraphrasing). And everyone making him out to be a sex object that fucks anyone who looks at him is gross especially since he is a r#pe victim.

And the Bimbo comments are also ridiculous he's once of the best detectives and he was taught by Batman he's proven time and time again in comics that he's fully capable by himself and is a great detective but because he's hot he gets dumbed down to himbo.

(Additional notes: Devin Grayson does write nightwing as a slut and Tom Taylor dose write him as a himbo these are both badly written versions of the character and doesn't actually represent him.) (The versions I'm referring here are The New Teen Titans, outsiders and Nightwing (Chuck Dixon)