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jasper and henry could have kissed at any point in the movie and it would have made sense

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I'm not sure if I ever told you guys my interpretation of the Henry Danger Movie so I'm gonna. (Long, sorry).

Specifically the part where Henry left, though I think we all knew that's what I was referring to.

So when Henry left Swellview, the whole point was that he needed room to grow and be his own person. He started with Jasper and Charlotte, and at the time, they all seemed pretty equally balanced when it came to the work. Charlotte gave them the details and they all ran off to save the day. A massive part of what made that work in the first place was Charlotte. She's been holding him accountable since day one.

Flash forward to the end of Charlotte's gap year, Henry and Jasper are left on their own, probably have a bit of a name for themselves by this point. They're neck and neck. And that's where the turning point starts. By this point, Henry has already forgotten that part of the reason he left Swellview in the first place is because he didn't wanna end up like Ray. Like he probably mentions it in passing sometimes when he's on the phone with his sister or whatever, but there's no emotion behind it anymore because he's visited Ray plenty of times since leaving Swellview, and within those visits we get a small taste of how much like Ray Henry has become.

Which all culminates to what we see in the movie. Henry, now treated as Captain Man's equal, had been living in his shadow for so long, that now that it's just him and Jasper, they can't be neck and neck. He has more experience, he's been on the job for a long time, and part of the reason he moved to Dystopia was to have his chance to shine. He can't do that if Jasper is his equal because, subconsciously, it's a race. Them being on the same level gives Jasper a chance to pull ahead, so Henry resorts to the chaos that is knocking Jasper down a peg just for trying to stay his friend and have a career in the same breath.

It takes Jasper walking away from him and then five different universes of perspective for Henry to see that Jasper is actively letting himself down for Henry's sake, to the point that it is killing him. Jasper literally goes from greatness in the first world he is portrayed in to literally having pegs knocked out from under him. And he goes from asking Henry for help to saving Henry's life when he doesn't even know he's in danger, to both of them knowing and understanding the situation they're in and Jasper still gives his life for him. And watching Jasper die was what it took for Henry to see that.

So when he got back to Dystopia and had the little minute to himself, the realization wasn't that he needed to apologize. It was that in order to save Jasper, he needed to remove himself from the equation. What was probably several hours to Henry had to be like 20-30 minutes in the real world, if that. No one was even aware of Henry's situation. So for Henry to show up with a gold star to the cafe where Jasper was sitting, thinking to himself, probably about Henry asking if he wanted a gold star, it likely sent the wrong message.

Henry's apology wasn't, "I'm sorry for all the things I've done and I want to make it up to you." It was, "I'm sorry that I can't be a better friend to you when we're together. I don't deserve the effort you're willing to put forth for me. I need to leave." Henry knew that Dystopia was in good hands with Jasper. And in the same token, he knew Newtown needed a hero.

So just like with leaving Swellview, Henry's departure wasn't even based on what was best for Jasper. That was simply an acknowledgment. What it was based on was that he was able to give Jasper space for his own peace of mind and know that he wasn't going to be the reason his friend died, and he could re-find his spotlight somewhere else. He built up his fame brick by brick in Swellview and Dystopia and he can do it again. They both have the space to be who they need to be, and Henry has a place where he can put himself first and not worry about being so egotistical that it was going to hurt someone else.

Only for this to happen btw:

Eventually, "Missy was only twelve will start to be an argument against Henry's teaching methods. The cycle has not broken. It's only just begun.

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I feel like during and before the movie jasper and henry had some weird situationship/relationship ish(?) going on thats fr the only way that explains why the hell they act like that

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hensper would actually be so annoying together as a couple but in the best way possible like in a cute way

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FUCK ONE SIDED HENSPER HENRY LOVES JASPER TOO HE JUST DOESN'T KNOW IT YET

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I still can't believe we had hensper work together as hero partners and live together as roommates and we barley saw any of that....

And then they just moved on from that as if living and working together with someone for years like this wouldn't really impact and change your relationship.

I want to know so badly what their apartment looked like and how their daily and domestic life together was like...

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This is real this happened in henry danger trust

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maybe (probably) this is either really a reach or a very simple thing that i'm stupid for not realising earlier but i'm thinking about s5 jasper and trying to figure out why he seems different - more confident and laid-back - from how he is in earlier seasons. so i was looking at a list of hd episodes recounting the role jasper played in them and trying to think if that could've affected his self-image and behaviour. i know in all likelihood it's not that deep but i just really want to fit this neatly into my interpretation of the show

the thought this post is about is: maybe the events of flabber gassed were a turning point for jasper and explain why he seems different in season 5 in the way i tried to put into words in this post. also a lot of what i'm going to say will be influenced by what @dangerbuckeeter said in the tags of this reblog of that post so many thanks to them for giving me food for thought, those tags really have helped with my overall picture of s5 jasper. and now for the actual post:

iirc the traits he seems to display in s5 are already kind of coming to the surface throughout s4. he's less desperate to be liked and he's pretty much found his place in the man cave, and he just seems a little more relaxed overall

so there's already a process happening of jasper becoming the person he is in s5 which i think was probably set in motion as far back as i know your secret. he saw with his own eyes how much henry and charlotte care about him. he finally found out why he's been spending so much time with just piper for two years. he doesn't have to be afraid of losing his best friends anymore (i guess this is more of a hc but did you see the way he acted in text lies and video </3). that would make anyone more confident i would say. and then during s3 being in the man cave is still new and he really wants to impress captain man and find his place in the man cave, on top of being worried about his friends (as is shown in space invaders). but eventually being in the man cave becomes normal and there's a status quo and he's able to truly relax. plus piper learns to manage her anger much better so she isn't tearing him down all the time anymore which i think is good for him too

so that's where we're at in season 4. jasper is getting to be a little more relaxed and used to his role. and then, in flabber gassed, he helps with a mission and ray (who despite everything is still his hero) tells him he's a superhero. jasper is so happy about that, it's his dream come true more or less. i think maybe when that happened something inside him just clicked

jasper seems very insecure in the early seasons and he was already in the process of letting go of that insecurity and now that his personal hero has told him he's a superhero, jasper can begin to truly believe in himself like never before. and that's what we see in season 5. he's very honest without any reservations or concerns about how others might view him, he's very confident in his feelings for henry and in how he expresses them, he still just does what he does but without the undercurrent of fear or pressure that he has to do it right. in the early seasons jasper often seems to want to prove himself, but now that ray has called him a superhero, there's nothing left to prove

i think it also explains why sometimes he's kind of sucky in a similar way to ray and henry, like in cave the date about burning down charlotte's kitchen: he's getting a little too sure of himself and finally being able to vibe with ray is getting to his head a little. maybe the hero worship is still there but just in a different form - what ray does, he does, and he doesn't need to think about it because he finally feels really self-assured

now that i've typed this out it seems so simple so i feel kind of stupid for making a whole long post about it but it's still good to get it out of my mind. also, with this in mind it must've really sucked for him when henry started to underappreciate him in dystopia. it must've been difficult to keep the insecurity at bay

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I don't think anyone noticed how much Henry's life was derailing because of the Kid Danger stuff, not even Henry himself. I also believe he tried to keep being stressed and overwhelmed from hero work from everyone as good as he could. Charlotte and Jasper where also so used to the whole hero shenanigans that they probably thought Henry and it under control, or weren't in a position to notice much changing because they are more of the support people behind the scenes and not heroes themselves and therefore spending less time with Henry, especially when he is doing more and more work. They also have been used to all of this and probably had come to think of it as normal by now in the same way Henry had.

Jasper also has known Henry all his life, and when he found out Henry is Kid Danger he was also very supportive, even telling him he's proud of him (which I don't think anyone else has told Henry like that since he started as a sidekick) and I feel like this is another case of Jasper knowing what Henry needs to hear to feel better. Like He knows how much being a hero means to Henry, and that scene specifically was about Henry being unsure about himself and his role as sidekick without his powers. Like he only got them because he felt like he wasn't good enough otherwise and then kind of started to rely on them heavily and tie his worth to them.

I do agree the delivery was a bit harsh but to me it feels like an attempt at the kind of "tough love" thing you sometimes get in media. It being the end of the episode and also having an opportunity for laughs with Ray throwing that rock at Jasper probably added to it feeling a bit unusual with the way he addressed it.

The way Jasper reminded Henry he did save the whole world and the way he cheered when Henry seemed to take his words to heart when taking the next emergency call feels a bit more like how we know Jasper and makes me think he was specifically addressing Henry's insecurities and trying to reassure him he is still a good sidekick and capable of being a hero without them. And I think the your life is still great line was more of a "your life isn't over just because you lost your powers" thing. Being a sidekick is a huge part of Henrys life and especially with no one realizing how bad that actually got this line seems more reassuring in that moment. We as audience also don't know about how much it affected Henry at that point either so I don't think we can really approach that critical perspective with it, at least in universe ?

Also I think keeping in mind that bro was exhausted from keeping the electricity going in the man cave should be accounted too. Also Jasper has been wanting to be a hero of his own for a long time and his home life isn't great even compared to Henry's situation, so I think him sounding a bit harsher when Henry seems to think he's not good enough to be a hero anymore and being so upset about it despite still being a sidekick and (seemingly) having it easier than him makes sense. Yeah it's not the most sensitive way to go about it and usually Jasper isn't like that but I think it still kinda makes sense for him to go about it like this in that moment. Plus in my own experience sometimes when you're really down and swimming in your own misery someone being a bit tough on you and telling you to stop mopping around is actually better than them treating you with kids gloves and reinforcing that you should feel sorry for yourself ? Idk how to explain it but personally that's more motivating to me and makes it easier to snap out of moods like that. Like I said I think Jasper knows Henry well enough to know he needs to hear it that kinda way to snap out of it.

I just always saw it as a nice way to show that Jasper knows how to approach Henry and like knows him well enough for that to work in making Henry feel better despite it seeming harsh to anyone else.

how do you guys feel about the way henry's feelings about losing his hypermotility are addressed in a new hero? like, with jasper telling him that his life is still great and reminding him that he saved the world and telling him to "quite sitting around moping like a baby"? i've never quite known what to think of that

it is shown as working but i really think saying something like that would do more harm than good - at this point in the show we can be fairly confident that henry is already missing a lot because of kid danger and he has a lot of stress. i think henry is kind of in denial about this and telling himself that everything is fine and jasper affirming that would just strengthen henry's belief that everything is fine and he can keep devoting as much time to fighting crime as he does. i love jasper, don't get me wrong, but i kind of feel like in this scene he's invalidating henry's feelings and i just truly don't know what to think of what it does for henry. does this really help? i'm skeptical. henry's superpower is a very big part of him, it's basically what gave him his sense of self-worth back in hour of power and i don't believe he'd so easily bounce back after losing it. so it just feels like that could've been a whole emotional arc, similar to his insecurity in hour of power, that was handled very hurriedly and poorly

the other thing is that i just would not expect jasper to say this. maybe it's because i haven't got a super good grasp of his character, especially in s5, or at least not as good as i'd like, but idk, i'd expect jasper to be more sympathetic. maybe he saw that henry needed some encouragement and he tried to give it? but the way he did that would point to problems in henry and jasper's friendship imo because if jasper is speaking this way, saying that henry's life is great and implying that's because he's a sidekick, indicates that he doesn't not realise the extent of the problems kd is causing for henry (no doubt because henry barely realises it himself but still, i feel like his friends should notice something). i guess it kind of makes sense because we do have reason to believe jasper and charlotte are not noticing things and stepping up the way they should because henry literally ended up not graduating and we never see jasper and charlotte expressing any concern

but of course that's just because it's a nickelodeon kids' show and i kind of doubt if jasper's words during a new hero are meant to have a deeper layer. the point is that it's just always seemd kind of ooc to me that jasper would be so willingly blunt and kind of dismissive of henry's feelings when henry is clearly going through something. i do like jasper reminding henry that he saved the world, reminding him that he's better than he believes at that point, but the rest of what he said just seemed insensitive in a way i'm not used to from jasper

so yeah. that's my thoughts on that scene i suppose, i just really do not know how to feel about it but idk if what i'm saying makes sense so i would really love to hear some other opinions

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Will we ever see jasp wear a crop top again

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i love piper saying jasper is family to her idc i choose to believe she actually meant it at least a little.

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Ray Manchester collecting latchkey kids like beanie babies

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Guys I just realized something...

Jasper's ability...

It's a power nap

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I was scrolling on Pinterest and oh my GOD , I found these concept designs for the Henry Danger Motion Comics 😭😭 THERE ARE SO CUTE HELLO ? I would've loved a legitimate cartoon with this style

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why would they put this scene in 💔

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i love them so much <3

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Exactly ! The movie was a narrative mess, showing us one thing and then doing another ? Like I have so many notes on this and I'm trying to kind of sort them into something that makes sense but like there are so many themes that contradict themselves and I genuinely just think they should have put less stuff in cause they clearly couldn't handle it all in a coherent and roundabout way ? Henry and Jaspers dynamic and the portrayal of their relationship is my main issue. Like you said, what is the lesson here ? Why was Henry such a bitch about it in the first place and where were the proper explanations for that in the movie ? Most of that just got kind of glossed over cause there was other stuff going on that got similar not much explanation needed energy... There is a lot of other stuff where I ask myself why they didn't just do something else or did it differently ? I'm like legit trying to figure out if there are actual behind the scenes reasons for that or if they just put the worst writers in that room and let them have a go at it ?

The Henry Danger movie kind of feels like they just sat a bunch of people in a room, let everyone do their own thing and then meshed it together in a big pile that was the movie. Feels like there just was not enough communication or time to make this into an actual coherent thing...