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chredded-cheese · 6 months ago

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In defense of the Doug and Ben;

Disclaimer; Mainly about Doug. If you like Mal, this isn't for you. If you ship Malvie, not for you either.

Okay, this is gonna be long and ranty, but I am so done with all this Ben and Doug slander and hate! They are two of the most wholesome characters in this series (especially Ben) and do not deserve this crap. So, I am gonna be explaining their actions from the common complaints I see. But first, let me start off by saying you can ship whatever you want as long as you aren't disrespectful towards others and bashing characters for the stupidest reasons. If you don't like this, than don't read it and go on. Now, let's start with Ben since their reasons are the PETTIEST;

The reasons people dislike Ben and discredit his relationship with Mal;

He yelled at Mal for using magic, not telling him, and trying to turn back time. He must be abusive and controlling.

He doesn't spend time with her friends.

He is naive and dumb and tried to bring Uma to Auardon.

He forgot the isle kids.

He hurt Audrey so he'll hurt Mal too.

He is fake and it's his fault Mal has been unhappy all her life.

Mal is a much better person than him (I have seen all of these reasons personally and it's infuriating).

These are all bullshit reasons and I'll tell you why, one by one;

Ben had EVERY FUCKING RIGHT to be mad at Mal. He thought she was trying to adjust to Auardon and if you didn't notice, Magic is a no-no in Auardon. He doesn't give a fuck about the magic. He doesn't want her to get in trouble or too reliant on it. Magic can work like a drug you know and if she got caught using it before he got the council to agree to him changing the rule, it can cause a scandal and her more pain. He's also just as stressed as she is and upset she didn't tell him she was using it still or struggling. Because HELLO she's lying to him AGAIN. and what does she do instead of talking it out with him and dealing with the consequences of her own actions? She tries to fucking use magic to turn back time so he wouldn't REMEMBER the incident at all! Do you know how many problems her magic has caused in the books, series, and movies? Look at things from Ben's point of view. He's a 16 year old boy who's been trained to be a king his whole life by controlling parents, his people disrespect him constantly and thought and still think his proclamation is a bad idea, and now he's king and has to FIGHT for a whole generation of kids who are trapped with abusers. As well as the core four and Freddy who are in Auardon. All 6 of them have eyes on them at all times and he's trying to make sure nothing messes it up. His dad was cursed along with his staff as a child on Christmas. He probably feared the same happening to him as a child and he's been spelled once before. And ended up hurting his now ex who was a childhood friend by breaking up with her in front of two whole schools by singing a song about another girl. He knows if he tells anyone, Mal and her friends could get shipped back to the isle and his entire plan ruined. And then she tried to make him forget about this moment-- their first argument as a teenage couple-- while he is stressed as all living fuck, having to drop tourney and swords and shields to run a kingdom while still in school, while she's been abusing her magic to make things easier for her. Wouldn't you be pissed too ? And who's to say she hadn't done that before? He was probably terrified that she'd do it again or that she had before. And he felt horrible for blowing up at her and went to the isle to bring her home. He is not abusive.

He is a 16 year old king. He has barely any time to himself and their is 6 month long time skips between the movies. He probably has spent time with them. Alot more than we do see in the movies and he and they clearly care about eachother. They can't show us everything on screen you know.

He is not dumb. Naive yes. Dumb no. He is an empathic, intelligent young man who wanted to give every kid on the isle a chance. Even the girl who kidnapped him. Does that make him naive? Yes. Does that make him stupid. No. He is a good, smart kid who understands that Uma is hurt and rightfully angry that the core four were chosen first and that no other kids other than Freddie have been removed from the isle. He understands she's mad about the 4 at a time rule and wants to help her and her crew without any blood being spilled. He tried to negotiate so she could have a say without having what he thought was the real wand. Mal has taken the real one before. How was he supposed to know that it wasn't the REAL one? Especially since he probably wouldn't have thought of printing out the wand with a 3rd printer? Most people wouldn't have. Why does that make Ben dumb?

The whole idea of him forgetting the vks is also ridiculous. Auardon has a system and a council of heroes who don't want to listen to him. He's probably been working his ass off negotiating and writing out scenarios and plans attempting to get more kids off the isle in bigger numbers while also attempting to show how well and adjusted the other vks are so the public would agree and make it easier for him. Not to mention the whole running the kingdom part has probably been drawing the whole thing out longer than he planned/assumed it would. That doesn't mean he forgot them.

The whole fucking 'Did I mention' break up thing with Audrey is absolutely NOT HIS FAULT! That whole thing is the core four's fault--mainly Mal's for coming up with the idea! They drugged him with a love potion -- one thay was WAY TOO STRONG-- and that is what lead to Ben breaking up to Audrey in front of two whole schools. Yes, he should have apologized and that is his fault but the whole Audrey heart break thing isn't his fault. And he will not hurt Mal. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised If things happened the other way around due to Mal's track record that all of YOU seem to keep forgetting!

No, it is not his fault. It's his parents fault that the isle was made, not his and he is trying to fix their mistakes, so why exactly does everyone blame him for the vks' terrible childhood and their suffering? And why exactly is it his fault that the girl who drugged him and lied about the reason is miserable being queen? Especially when she hasn't communicated this with him! Ben is alot of things but he is NOT a fucking mind reader at the best of times-- and being stressed as all living fuck at 16 with no free time for himself does not turn him into ONE for godsake! And he isn't fake. He loves her for her and stands up for her and what he believes in all the damn time.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 uh, no she's not. Dude, have you read her wiki? Did we watch the same movies? Ben is a sweetheart who wants to help the isle kids. Mal terrorized the isle kids nonstop. She stole candy from a baby. In the wicked it is stated that "But she does enjoy coming up with evil plans and is the most feared at her previous school because of her reputation." She got Evie banished for 10 years because she didn't get invited to her 6th birthday party (her mother probably sent the invites, mind you). She used Jane's insecurities against her and manipulated her, causing her to try and steal the wand. She tried to push Evie into Cruella's fur closet that she knew was filled with bear traps knowing that it could kill or maim her. She was gonna go along with Maleficent's plan and let Evie grab Maleficent's scepter so she could take a 100 year nap. She forced Carlos to throw a party at Hellhall despite knowing how dead he'd be if Cruella found out. She spelled Ben and lied about why she did it, and didn't apologize to Audrey for a long time. The apology she gave Uma was weak as fuck. She tricked the sea three and Celia into working with her and lied to her friends. She was gonna close off the isle forever and not tell her friends about it until it was too late. She was gonna let a ton of kids die. She dumped shrimp on Uma's hair and got her stuck with the nickname 'Shrimpy' and still calls her that when she is a hero. Mad Maddy had purple hair but before Mal ruined it with lye which forced her hair to be aqua green as Mal felt like she should be the only purple hair girl on the Isle. And she also destroyed Maddy's dolls and so much more. Mal is not a better person than Ben at ALL .

Now enough about Ben. Let's move on Doug and the bullshit people are spewing to justify their hatred of Devie (and his character) even though they could just say 'I don't ship them' like reasonable people. Reasons they hate Doug;

He's boring and has no personality.

He's a stalker.

He's a jealous prick who assumed she was cheating on him 'for no reason' yelled at her and that's 'abuse'.

He pretended that her true love's kiss didn't work .

He only likes her for her looks.

They have nothing in common.

He forgets his own family members names so he'll forget important things for Evie too.

He didn't support or defend her at Family day.

All of these reasons can easily be explained away and are also complete bullshit and here's why;

He is actually pretty interesting when you pay attention to him. He knows Spanish, he's a band nerd who can play guitar and a trumpet, he's great at chemistry, and he's good at accounting and helps Evie because he cares about her and wants to help her. And he is fine with Dizzy living at Evie's cabin where he presumably will move into when he graduates. He also seems to have a bit of mischievous streak and isn't blind to Chad's bad habits. He's also kind and was nice to them from the beginning-- not just Evie. And he's not against magic and actually seems interested in it and history. He is not boring and y'all need to stop blaming the writers' lack of expanding and showing his character more on him being boring and bland when that is not the case.

That whole stalking thing is complete bullshit. He followed her once that we know of and eavesdropped on one conversation. Is that a bit creepy? Yes. But he only did it after he saw Chad-- a boy he's known his whole life and knows can't be trusted-- slip her a note. He followed her to warn her about Chad, fully admitted that he followed her and listened to the conversation, seemed embarrassed, and told her info she wanted to know. He is not a stalker for any of that shit. It was one time and he was just looking out for her, which is why Evie wasn't too mad or freaked out in that scene by it.

Have you guys not seen descendants 2? He had every reason to think she was cheating. She was acting werid and secretive, keeping things from him, and he's an insecure teenage boy from a big family in a land where everyone values looks and manly things. He knows she's out of his league and he's probably heard one too many jokes about how she'll leave him for someone better, how his princely classmates will steal her from him, and how she's probably using him or dating him until she finds someone better because kids are cruel and tactless. He's probably been convinced by everyone that he isn't good enough for Evie. He's been overlooked and ignored by teachers, adults, his peers, and girls before because he isn't a handsome, manly prince. So of course he'd suspect she was cheating and that stupid lie the boys told about her camping most certainly didn't help. Sure, she could have been throwing him a surprise party but he knows when his birthday is and if it isn't close than he knows she isn't doing that. She told him nothing and acted suspicious. Her friends avoided him and acted suspicious, and told him a lie that made no sense. As far as we know, Evie doesn't like camping but if she did and was going camping, she would have told Doug that and not been acting suspicious. And y'all forget the most important thing. He asked if she was (by yelling, but still) and took her word for it when she said no. Most people wouldn't have believed her. Does he get credit for that? No. He gets hate.

Dude, he's a fucking teenager. Yes, it is a dick move but he only pretended for like a minute and stopped afterwards. Teenagers do shitty pranks at the wrong time. That doesn't make him abusive or awful. It was a one time thing. Y'all telling me you weren't a dick once as a kid or teen?

False. He loves every single piece and part of her, including her looks, and isn't surprised when she does well on her test without the mirror. Next.

Lies again. They are both incredibly smart people who love chemistry and their friends and history and so many other things. They love and support one in several ways, and I will not stand for this slander.

It is obvious that some of y'all ain't come from big families. He has at least 6 uncles and presumably they all have spouses and kids. He has one brother that we know of and 8 known cousins. That does not take in account cousins-in-law, grandparents, and over extended or unknown relatives. I come from a big family and let me tell you, it is hard to remember names and dates when you have that many people to keep track of. That doesn't make him neglectful or a bad person, and it won't make him a bad boyfriend.

He may not have defended her at family day but he did defend her and stand up for her to Mr Deley. A teacher. When he is literally a nerdy kid with no sporty talents, good looks, or known royal blood. He risked his own neck to advocate for her there and stopped her from ratting herself out and getting in trouble. And as for family dad, he apologized to her for having to go. He is a scrawny nerd who could get beat up by Chad or others if he ignored Chad to talk to her and yelling at an adult, let alone a royal adult, in front of several other adults (family included) in Auardon would not ended well for him. He would have gotten in trouble and wouldn't have been able to help her later on and Evie clearly knows this, or else she would have been angrier.

These are two inexperienced teenage boys who were nice to these kids who they had heard nothing good about with no ulterior motivates. They're kind hearted souls who want the best for those they care about and they see the best in people and neither of them turned on the vks when they showed no interest in them. So stop the fucking slander and stop claiming any characters who yell and argue with their partners are abusers. These two aren't and are probably some of the best things to happen to Evie and the others. Humans make mistakes and shouldn't be defined by them when they aren't that fricking big of a deal.

Requested by @descendants-extended . Hope you enjoy.

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