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"The belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead of you," I say to myself as I turn my back on TROS novelization and move on to AO3

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What Star Wars thinks we want:

What we actually want:

Imagine thinking people want Dinosaurs over Kylo Ren for Project Luminous🤦‍♂️

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OMFG

Imagine no “Palps is back”. But

Force is vibrating with terrifying unknown power. Balance is dangerously violated. Kylo Ren heads to unknown regions to find the source and protect the new world he is building for what it’s worth.

Imagine Matt Smith bitting Ben’s ass just a little to show that he is no amateur and then seducing him with promises of Rey The Empress.

Imagine Matt Smith seducing Hux with promises of unlimited power and emperors fleet if he kills Kylo Ren.

Imagine Matt Smith answering Rey’s calls for Jedi and seducing her with promises of peace and family and return of Ben Solo if she finds Exegol and comes to him alone?

Imagine Matt Smith revealing the truth in the end and Rey’s broken, but Ben tells her the linage doesn’t matter, only her choices. And no matter who is her parents, she will always be EVERYTHING TO HIM.

Imagine Rey and Ben fighting Matt Smith together, all three of them with swords and lightnings and when Emperor is dead, Rey and Ben berely making out alive. But the Force heals them, cause they’re a dyad.

We could’ve had it all.

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Screenrant sees the light!

Source : screenrant.com/star-wars-comics-kylo-ren-never-evil-dark-side/

Star Wars has - perhaps unwittingly - proved that Kylo Ren never fell to the dark side at all. Although Kylo Ren considered himself the heir to Darth Vader’s legacy, in truth he never seemed committed to the dark side in the same way his grandfaher was. Even in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Kylo Ren was portrayed as conflicted, aware of the pull of the light side of the Force.

Charles Soule’s The Rise of Kylo Ren has finally revealed how Ben Solo fell under the sway of Supreme Leader Snoke. It’s only three issues in, but the miniseries has already shown Ben Solo’s fateful duel with Luke Skywalker, the destruction of the Jedi Temple, and his recruitment into the Knights of Ren. Surprisingly, though, the story has also confirmed what many Star Wars fans had suspected all along; Ben Solo never really fell to the dark side at all. Where Anakin Skywalker was seduced by the dark side, Ben Solo was instead trapped by it.

Anakin Skywalker is a tragic figure, with his own character flaws leading him to choose the dark side every step of the way. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace touches upon his fear, anger swells within his heart in Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones, and by the end of Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith he has chosen the way of hate. The pattern is exactly the one predicted by Jedi Master Yoda; fear leads to anger, anger to hate, and ultimately Anakin himself - and the entire galaxy - suffer because of his hatred. 

But there’s no such descent for Ben Solo, no moment of choice where he embraces the dark side. Rather, every step of the way, the decisions were made for him.

Ben Solo’s Duel With Luke Skywalker

Palpatine seems to have had no conscious awareness of Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One, until he was brought from Tatooine by Qui-Gon Jinn. In contrast, he appears to have been interested in Ben Solo since before the boy was born. In Chuck Wendig’s novel Aftermath: Empire’s End, there’s a scene in which Leia uses the Force to sense the child inside her womb, and momentarily becomes aware of a terrifying and malevolent presence watching over her. It only lasted for a heartbeat, and was soon forgotten, but it’s now safe to assume Leia was fleetingly aware of Palpatine himself. 

The Rise of Kylo Ren reveals the Emperor’s presence haunted Ben Solo throughout his childhood and into his teenage years, a constant darkness whispering in his ear. 

That accords perfectly with Palpatine’s own words to Kylo Ren in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, when the Dark Lord of the Sith told Ben he had “been every voice you have ever heard inside your head.” Presumably Palpatine hid his presence from Luke Skywalker in the same way he concealed his inner darkness from Master Yoda and the Jedi Council all those years on Coruscant.

Finally, the moment came, and Palpatine personally orchestrated a fateful duel between Ben Solo and his uncle Luke. The Rise of Kylo Ren makes it abundantly clear Palpatine’s dark presence was at Ben’s side that night, when Luke entered his nephew’s room to watch over him. Although it’s not officially stated, the comic strongly implies Palpatine chose to let the mask slip, allowing Luke to sense the infinite evil of the Dark Lord of the Sith himself. Little wonder Luke reacted on instinct, suddenly aware of an infinite darkness and believing it to be Ben himself. It was probably Palpatine himself who stirred Ben Solo at that moment, and the boy defended himself, goaded into action by the Emperor’s words.

The Destruction Of The Jedi Temple

With Luke Skywalker supposedly slain, the entire galaxy believes Ben Solo then turned on the Jedi and destroyed the Temple, slaughtering all of Luke’s students. Star Wars: The Force Awakens intended this to parallel the sacking of Coruscant’s Jedi Temple in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. There, Darth Sidious tested Anakin Skywalker’s loyalty to the dark side by having him participate in Order 66, sending his new Sith Apprentice to the Temple to slaughter the Younglings personally. It was a horrific indication of Anakin’s descent into the dark side, and he embraced it wholeheartedly. Anakin’s actions at the Jedi Temple were essentially the point of no return, and Obi-Wan Kenobi gave up on any possibility of redeeming him after he watched the footage.

In contrast, though, Ben Solo was no participant in the destruction of a Jedi Temple; The Rise of Kylo Ren reveals Luke Skywalker’s Jedi Temple was destroyed by Palpatine. The Emperor didn’t want to act openly, fearful Luke would be too powerful for him to defeat. But with Luke down, Palpatine unleashed a terrible Force Storm upon the Jedi Temple, killing everyone there. Ben was nothing more than an observer, watching in horror as almost everyone he’d grown up with was slaughtered. He took the blame for what happened when three Jedi who had been offworld arrived, and found him standing there, grief-stricken because he believed he’d just slain his own uncle and was unable to explain the atrocity he’d just witnessed.

The Death Of Han Solo

There’s a striking contrast between Anakin Skywalker and Ben Solo. Palpatine deliberately provided Anakin with countless moments where he could choose good or evil; the soon-to-be Emperor had stacked the odds in favor of the dark side, but there was a choice nonetheless. But Kylo Ren’s decisions were made almost by default, as he was forced down the path Darth Sidious had chosen for him. His first real moment of choice appears to have come in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, when he was confronted by his father, Han Solo. According to the Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary, Palpatine intended Han’s death to parallel a Sith initiation ritual, where a would-be apprentice sacrifices someone who matters to them in order to bind themselves to the dark side. It’s quite striking that, all these years after Ben Solo had become his agent, the Emperor still felt the need for an initiation ritual.

But Han Solo sabotaged it. It’s safe to assume the Sith ritual required the unwilling sacrifice, an act of violence that would see the Sith Apprentice abandon their conscience and commit an act of unspeakable evil they could never go back from. Instead, Han seems to have embraced his death, willing to offer his own life if it would ease his son’s pain. 

It’s true that this act of patricide was still an act of darkness, but Han’s choice essentially corrupted it by adding an intrinsic element of love. 

In Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, Ben Solo reimagined the conversation, and it played a key part in his finally stepping out of the darkness and into the light. The Emperor’s initiation ritual had completely backfired. There’s a sense, then, in which Han Solo was ultimately Palpatine’s undoing.

Ben Solo never truly fell to the dark side of the Force. Instead, he was imprisoned by it, trapped by the Emperor’s schemes. The idea is implicit in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, where Kylo Ren sensed the truth in Han’s words when he declared Snoke would use him and cast him aside; “It’s too late,” he answered, suggesting he would choose the light if he felt able to. And it’s there in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, when Kylo Ren told Rey to “surrender” to the dark side - unwittingly hinting at the relationship he himself had with it, one of conquest and defeat rather than conscious choice. 

Importantly, this reframes the end of Ben Solo’s story, because he isn’t a man of darkness redeemed, like his grandfather. Rather, he is a prisoner who was freed by the faith of his parents and the woman who loved him, and who sacrificed himself to free the galaxy and give Rey the gift of a life of freedom.

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Disney: this March, take home your copy of The Rise of Skywalker!

Me:

Disney: but look BONUS FEATURES!!

Still me:

Disney: alternative ending where Ben Solo lives

Reluctantly Me:

Gif credit: driverdelight

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Yep. I can concur

I see a lot of people are worried.

I see a lot of people are worried that the novelization, of TROS is going to confirm Ben dead. By showing his force ghost. Yes, that’s very much true. I have a bad feeling about this novel as well. But here’s something you need to keep in mind, Reylo Fam. Anything can be retconned! I know this, because I read the OT novelizations.

Did you know that in the ANH novelization, Emperor Palpatine wasn’t a Sith Lord. Instead he was a puppet, for the Empire. It’s in the very prologue, of the ANH novel. I’ll type it our for you. Not going to give the whole thing, just the important highlights about the Emperor from the prologue.

Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitous Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Repubic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and restore the remembered glory of the Republic.

Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears.

Many used the imperial forces and name of the increasingly isolated Emperor to further their own personal ambitions.

Yes, a very important key element, from the very Prologue of the New Hope novel, was retchonned! Not to mention in the TFA novel, it’s said Rey had already met Poe. But that’s retconned in TLJ. 

The ANH novel was written by George Lucas and he decided to retconn the Emperor Palpatine, once he made ESB. From a guy who just didn’t care, kept himself isolated and just let his government who was controlling him, make all the decisions for him. To a powerful Sith Lord who was very much in control, knew exactly what he was doing and was very much the one making all the decisions. So much for dudebros who say that I “dOn’T kNoW sTeRr wERrz.”

So don’t worry if we see Force ghost Ben in the novel, I know I’m not. So..

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Somehow, BEN SOLO has returned..

Lets finish what Jar Jar Adams started

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There seems to be a big shake-up in the entertainment industry after TROS.

One month post-TROs and we are still not budging and people are definitely noticing.

Keep fighting the good fight fam. I support you all always.

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Proof of bad editing

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Thank you for lighting his way home.

the ending they deserved✨😭

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The thinking process of a true artist. Might not be up there of the Caliber of George Lucas, still one of the best of his generation. JJ? No way I’ll ever call him an artist.

Lot’s of interesting thoughts in this thread. Also the world does not deserve Rian and TLJ.

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Imagine after spending his entire life traveling across the galaxy, toiling hard to atone his sins and to rebuild and defend the republic his mother and grandmother had so much loved, and yet he still has to make the utmost sacrifice & atonement at the end of his life.

That’s exactly the archetypal redemption arc.

In one of the most successful mythologies of mankind, there was a guy. Talking about irredeemable crimes, in his youth, he made a living kidnapping innocent & defenseless religious women & children for money & sending them to be tortured & killed. Then he was “saved”, enlightened. Afterwards, he spent his whole life toiling through deserts & the entire Europe to atone his sins. After many years of hard labor, he willingly submitted himself to Roman authority when his fellow believers were again being prosecuted by the Roman Empire. The guy suffered a long time in jail and was beheaded by the crazy Roman Emperor Nero.

Yes. That was the guy who practically wrote half of the New Testament in the Bible, on whose teachings the entire Christian Church was built, Paul the Apostle.

For those who said Ben Solo’s “crimes” are irredeemable and he has to die, they have never understood the concept of redemption and forgiveness, two of the core values of humanity. We are humans. We all make terrible mistakes. But there’s always hope for everyone because of our “Love” for ourselves and our fellow human beings.

We don’t win by killing what we hate. We win by saving what we love. Killing the emperor hasn’t destroyed all the evil that’s the empire. They kept on crawling back. There’re always ppl who believe in their bullshit and won’t accept the ideology of the republic. But imagine the psychological impact of someone like Kylo Ren completely repents his ways & fully supports democracy and everything the republic stands for. The empire changes from the inside, from top-down, and many believers of the creeds of the empire convert.

Imagine if Ben had gotten the chance to live the rest of his life atoning for his past crimes.

Imagine if he’d had the chance to prove to everyone around him that he is capable of doing good things.

Imagine if he’d had the chance to show how much love he has to give.

Imagine if he’d had the chance to feel what it’s like to truly be in love.

Imagine if he’d had the chance to become a father and raised his kids alongside the love of his life and given them the upbringing he wished he’d had.

Imagine him always being there for them and comforting them when they have nightmares or are battling their inner demons.

Imagine him starting a new Jedi academy and giving his students the encouragement and support he never had.

Imagine him becoming a beacon of hope in the galaxy, living proof that it’s always possible to get out of the darkness and come back to the light.

Imagine him ensuring that what happened to him never happens to anyone else.

Imagine what could have been if Ben Solo had LIVED.

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What was the point of Ben Solo?

It was Rey the whole time. She was the important one. So why didn't they make her Leia and Han's daughter, or Luke's daughter back in 2015? Why intruduce a character, a legacy character, a son and a grandson of our two most beloved couples in star wars, have him become a puppet on a string, controlled, abused and manipulated by the galaxy's devil himself, have all the legacy characters die for him to live and then BAM! All gone... never mentioned again, never mourned... What was the purpose of Ben Solo?

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When your 11 year old, who has been invested in the sequel trilogy since she was 7, leaves the theater in tears and still can’t talk about it days later because her most favorite characters (Kylo/Ben and Leia) died.

No. This is not a “family film” “filled with hope.” Not to my family.

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Guys, in Brazil we are trying to trend #BringBenSoloBack right now on twitter. Please, help us!

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My husband, after first 5 minutes of TROS: "Omg, this is so bad. The dialogue is bad. Did a 5-year-old write these lines?"

Snoke taught you well.

I killed Snoke. I'll kill you.

I made Snoke.

😂😂😂

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jj abrams take note: THAT’S how to write a redemption arc