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[casual-hazbin-fan]

Yet again, not surprised, but I agree with this sentiment.

folks block, report, and continue to call out @aroacesafeplaceforall .

They are racist (specifically antiblack), ableist (especially pluralmisic), an aggressive antishipper, exclusionist to aroaces that don’t fit their idea of aroace (ie sex favorable), and a possible mspec lesbian and gay exclusionist who uses DARVO tactics whenever they’re called out.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

They're back at it again, I'm not surprised.

Gods they NEVER learned, ok for those out of the loop there is a blog for aroace people called aroacesafeplaceforall and they did a stupid ass poll that was very a-phobic all about “shipping aroace characters are wrong.” and they are doing the same song and dance of using DARVO tactics but this time it’s worse than the last time they did this shit. They are doubling down on their racist take of “all rap is sex”. Even denying that any aroace that enjoys smut in fanfics are not “real aroaces” welp I’m sorry AegoAroAces you don’t exist to them and their narrow minded views on Aro and Ace experiences.

They are ableist, racist and a queer exclusionist. They use death threats to shield from criticism.

As an AroAce system we don’t want them in AroAce spaces.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

they’re in a queer platonic relationship me thinks

[casual-hazbin-fan]

gossiping old ladies

forget being afraid of being judged as a sinner or winner, I am afraid to be judged by THEM.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

Full agree. There's a reason I don't post my drawings of you on here.

Those are my safe space, and they will stay that safe space.

Alastor here once again here to call out a bit of a problem with my source's fanbase.

Tag your fucking potentially triggering art.

This isn't a request. Honestly it is against tos to not properly tag gore for example. Do better hazbin hotel fans.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

Ah. This sentiment brings back memories.

Memories of being harassed for asking people to tag their ship art because people sometimes have triggers.

I see nothing has changed.

Alastor here once again here to call out a bit of a problem with my source's fanbase.

Tag your fucking potentially triggering art.

This isn't a request. Honestly it is against tos to not properly tag gore for example. Do better hazbin hotel fans.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

irresponsible

-the drawing belongs to me, do not repost.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

Tuxedo Al drawings 🕺🏽

[casual-hazbin-fan]

Demon's Portrait #HazbinHotelAlastor 𝙒𝙝𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙙𝙤, 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙡𝙤𝙤𝙠 𝙖𝙩 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙚𝙮𝙚𝙨.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

This is an ULTRA GOOD POINT that I hadn't even considered!

Thank you so much for your insight on the matter!

I'm not tolerating the Aphobia and Arophobia in this fandom anymore.

Fuck you all.

AroAce people deserve representation, even if you don't like them.

Romance-favorable Aromantics exist.

Sex-favorable Asexuals exist.

The problem is exclusionist behavior.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

I'm not tolerating the Aphobia and Arophobia in this fandom anymore.

Fuck you all.

AroAce people deserve representation, even if you don't like them.

Romance-favorable Aromantics exist.

Sex-favorable Asexuals exist.

The problem is exclusionist behavior.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

This is a primary problem I have with the fandom. You guys can't be normal about OSDDID systems with fictives who don't fit the narrative.

You're being ableist and aroaphobic towards said systems who don't fit the narrative you want. I speak as a DID system myself. Diagnosed. Medically recognized.

You cannot claim that "All AroAce people are valid" and then discriminate against those that you dislike. There are AroAce people who want to ship Alastor. There are AroAce Alastor fictives who like ship content. They are just as valid as the sex-averse/romance-averse AroAce people.

Systems, ESPECIALLY AroAce systems, already face enough discrimination. Not all AroAce people are romance or sex averse.

also, if we want to bring in canon, Alastor is not entirely Touch Averse. He very much lets Rosie, Mimzy, and Niffty touch him without him initiating said touch (or even saying they can touch him). Further more, we don't 100% know if he's romance or sex averse. He very well may not like sexual jokes. He very well could find Angel Dust annoying and not want Angel to flirt with him. We don't know. The only one that knows is Vivzie.

Again, I reiterate, you are discriminating against AroAce Systems, AroAce fictives, AroAce people who enjoy ship content, HyperRose AroAce people, AroAce trauma survivors, etc.

I unfortunately saw something I didn't want to see and that was my last straw. I'm fucking doing this.

Let's establish this first. Alastor is stated in the show to be asexual that is not up to discussion. He is also very heavily implied in the same conversation to be aromatic. 'An Ace in the hole' being used in context of him being with Charlie is also implying his aromanticism.

VIDEO

If that's not enough then here is Viv speaking about his romantic orientation. It's pretty clear despite the fact that afterwards she said it's okay to headcanon whatever (it's not but I will get o that later) that he is written purely as an aro ace character.

On top of that going by Alastor's interaction with Angel from the pilot and the first episode it is clear that he is sex repulsed. Not only that but on the fandom website he is stated to be touch averse with two sources which you can check out on the website.

Hazbin hotel wiki, Alastor page

Now we established that Alastor is canonically Asexual, Aromantic, Sex Repulsed and Touch Averse

As I also am all of the above I'll try to explain everything to the best of my ability as simply as I can.

Aromanticism and Asexuality.

I'm probably targeting the audience that knows those terms but regardless I will explain it anyway.

Aromantic - people that experience little to no romantic attraction towards any gender

Asexual - people that experience little to no sexual attraction towards any gender.

Little to no

Asexuality and aromanticism are spectrums in which people can feel certain attractions towards people but those attractions are less occurring or are defined by personal connection.

Diagram from AVEN website

However some people are at the end of the spectrum, they never felt attraction and that's valid. Alastor was stated to be aroace he wasn't written as demi or as gray he was written as aroace as in the end of the spectrum. His repulsion and not giving shit about romance or sex speaks for itself.

Representation

I do understand that everyone wants to be represented but it's so important to understand that aroace people are one of the most underrepresented queer groups in the media.

And I'm not here to scream about how I want my fav character to be just like me I don't care for it I'm way too confident in my orientation to rely on that however I'm tired of explaining to people what asexuality and aromanticism is just to receive 'are you sure' or 'you'll change your mind' or 'its not real' or the community favourite 'you'll find the right person' no I won't I'm not looking thank you very much (I just smile and nod to be polite and I'm sick of it).

'Harmless' buts like: 'He might be on the spectrum', 'AroAce people can still feel attraction' hurt the final outcome for all the people on the spectrum not only strictly aroaces because it allows people to write one shots with 'Demi Alastor' that falls in love in 2000 words because he is 'demi' (spoiler alert: they don't understand what that label means). It's just a cover, an opening, sneaky way to disregard his orientation, feel good about themselves and move on. Newsflash there is no moving on for aroace people it's our life.

Shipping

Shipping is just harmless fun right? Usually yes but not in this case. In the same way its not okay to ship gay characters with genders they are not attracted to.

It's erasure and since there is much less people identifying on aro/ace spectrums then there is gay or bi people our voices are being silenced. Not to mention that gay people received support from entire LGBTQIA+ community over the years in contrast to aro/ace specs who to this day are told that we are 'not queer enough' or 'not oppressed enough' often by other queer people.

And finally... FINALLY we get cannon Aro/Ace character that is clearly not interested in romance and sex. Character that beats stereotypes of boring and timid aro/ace people and what's the first people do? They ship him. Alastor's storyline provides so many points to be explored like 'what is his backstory', ' what's about his deal', ' how does he fit in in the found family trope' , 'does he care about hotel guests' yet people choose to write about the only thing that he is not interested in. As a heavily repulsed person that used to be horrified about the fact that I'll have to fall in love with somebody at some point before I found out what aro/ace is I find it repulsive and trust me he would too.

But Viv said it's okay!

Its the same point once again. What if Viv said that it's okay to ship gay Angel with woman. She doesn't have authority to say shit like that.

Queerplatonic relationships

I can't tell you not to do it I don't think he would be necessary interested in it but for fuck sake do your research and try to understand what queerplatonic means before you use it as a cover to shamelessly ship him. Respect the fact that he is sex repulsed and touch averse and you're fine.

Why can't you just avoid it?

First of all I shouldn't have to. Alastor's orientation should be respected in the fandom like any other orientation is. Second of all I've tried. I tried to only look up AroAce Alastor tag I've blocked over 80 people on tumblr alone (I just counted) to avoid to see anything that could trigger me and I'm not talking about slightly shippy posts or fanarts I'm talking about full blown disregard towards his orientation. Guess what it didn't work!

Archive of our own where do I start. I've used this website for over a decade and I could probably count days I didn't go there on my fingers. I'm fluent in AO3 I know which tags I should block. I know how to skim thorough the summary and tags to see if I'm interested. I've seen shit I'm a shipper I've been on ao3 for ten years but never had to mentally prepare myself to face queerphobia as I click on the tab.

Just use aro/ace Alastor tag.

I do and let me tell you people can't tag for shit or they just pretend to be clueless at this point. Besides see this?

there is more ff with Alastor/reader (disgusting) than there is Alastor with his canon orientation and to play the devils advocate for arophobic people there is more Angel/Alastor then his stated in the show sexuality. I understand that fandom goes back before the show was aired but Viv confirmed his orientation back then too.

Summary

I could go on and on bout different issues and maybe I will in the future but I'm not wasting anymore of this weekend on it. I'm ready to answer any questions as long as they are respectful.

I'm aware that he is a fictional character, it doesn't affect him in any way whatsoever but it does affect aromantic and asexual people keep it in mind.

If there are any mistakes grammar related I'm not sorry I'm fluent in English (not my first language) but I took 3h nap in between and I'm sleep deprived.

Have a nice day.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

Legitimate question.

There are OSDD/DID systems that have Alastor Fictional Introjects/Fictives. These are alters. They are not always like their source.

What if an Alastor fictive is on the AroAce spectrum and is romance and/or sex favorable and is in a relationship? What if they're in a relationship with other Fictives from Hazbin? (Or God forbid fictives that are from other sources.)

Do those Alastor fictives not deserve content that appeals to them?

I ask this because I am dating an Alastor fictive who is AroAce, and he's openly stated he doesn't mind ship art or anything of the like.

Also, all AroAce people deserve representation. For us all to be equally represented, we need to have romance favorable aromantics and sex favorable asexuals represented too. This "only one kind of representation" is more damaging than it is good.

I'm Grey Asexual myself. I experience very little sexual attraction to people. But I'm also Hypersexual, due to years of trauma. I've already been told numerous times over several years that I can't be asexual because I'm Hypersexual.

What your rhetoric does is discriminate against other AroAce people. Sex and Romance Favorable AroAce people are already seen as "not AroAce enough" and that harms our community far more than people who ship Alastor with other characters for any reason.

I unfortunately saw something I didn't want to see and that was my last straw. I'm fucking doing this.

Let's establish this first. Alastor is stated in the show to be asexual that is not up to discussion. He is also very heavily implied in the same conversation to be aromatic. 'An Ace in the hole' being used in context of him being with Charlie is also implying his aromanticism.

VIDEO

If that's not enough then here is Viv speaking about his romantic orientation. It's pretty clear despite the fact that afterwards she said it's okay to headcanon whatever (it's not but I will get o that later) that he is written purely as an aro ace character.

On top of that going by Alastor's interaction with Angel from the pilot and the first episode it is clear that he is sex repulsed. Not only that but on the fandom website he is stated to be touch averse with two sources which you can check out on the website.

Hazbin hotel wiki, Alastor page

Now we established that Alastor is canonically Asexual, Aromantic, Sex Repulsed and Touch Averse

As I also am all of the above I'll try to explain everything to the best of my ability as simply as I can.

Aromanticism and Asexuality.

I'm probably targeting the audience that knows those terms but regardless I will explain it anyway.

Aromantic - people that experience little to no romantic attraction towards any gender

Asexual - people that experience little to no sexual attraction towards any gender.

Little to no

Asexuality and aromanticism are spectrums in which people can feel certain attractions towards people but those attractions are less occurring or are defined by personal connection.

Diagram from AVEN website

However some people are at the end of the spectrum, they never felt attraction and that's valid. Alastor was stated to be aroace he wasn't written as demi or as gray he was written as aroace as in the end of the spectrum. His repulsion and not giving shit about romance or sex speaks for itself.

Representation

I do understand that everyone wants to be represented but it's so important to understand that aroace people are one of the most underrepresented queer groups in the media.

And I'm not here to scream about how I want my fav character to be just like me I don't care for it I'm way too confident in my orientation to rely on that however I'm tired of explaining to people what asexuality and aromanticism is just to receive 'are you sure' or 'you'll change your mind' or 'its not real' or the community favourite 'you'll find the right person' no I won't I'm not looking thank you very much (I just smile and nod to be polite and I'm sick of it).

'Harmless' buts like: 'He might be on the spectrum', 'AroAce people can still feel attraction' hurt the final outcome for all the people on the spectrum not only strictly aroaces because it allows people to write one shots with 'Demi Alastor' that falls in love in 2000 words because he is 'demi' (spoiler alert: they don't understand what that label means). It's just a cover, an opening, sneaky way to disregard his orientation, feel good about themselves and move on. Newsflash there is no moving on for aroace people it's our life.

Shipping

Shipping is just harmless fun right? Usually yes but not in this case. In the same way its not okay to ship gay characters with genders they are not attracted to.

It's erasure and since there is much less people identifying on aro/ace spectrums then there is gay or bi people our voices are being silenced. Not to mention that gay people received support from entire LGBTQIA+ community over the years in contrast to aro/ace specs who to this day are told that we are 'not queer enough' or 'not oppressed enough' often by other queer people.

And finally... FINALLY we get cannon Aro/Ace character that is clearly not interested in romance and sex. Character that beats stereotypes of boring and timid aro/ace people and what's the first people do? They ship him. Alastor's storyline provides so many points to be explored like 'what is his backstory', ' what's about his deal', ' how does he fit in in the found family trope' , 'does he care about hotel guests' yet people choose to write about the only thing that he is not interested in. As a heavily repulsed person that used to be horrified about the fact that I'll have to fall in love with somebody at some point before I found out what aro/ace is I find it repulsive and trust me he would too.

But Viv said it's okay!

Its the same point once again. What if Viv said that it's okay to ship gay Angel with woman. She doesn't have authority to say shit like that.

Queerplatonic relationships

I can't tell you not to do it I don't think he would be necessary interested in it but for fuck sake do your research and try to understand what queerplatonic means before you use it as a cover to shamelessly ship him. Respect the fact that he is sex repulsed and touch averse and you're fine.

Why can't you just avoid it?

First of all I shouldn't have to. Alastor's orientation should be respected in the fandom like any other orientation is. Second of all I've tried. I tried to only look up AroAce Alastor tag I've blocked over 80 people on tumblr alone (I just counted) to avoid to see anything that could trigger me and I'm not talking about slightly shippy posts or fanarts I'm talking about full blown disregard towards his orientation. Guess what it didn't work!

Archive of our own where do I start. I've used this website for over a decade and I could probably count days I didn't go there on my fingers. I'm fluent in AO3 I know which tags I should block. I know how to skim thorough the summary and tags to see if I'm interested. I've seen shit I'm a shipper I've been on ao3 for ten years but never had to mentally prepare myself to face queerphobia as I click on the tab.

Just use aro/ace Alastor tag.

I do and let me tell you people can't tag for shit or they just pretend to be clueless at this point. Besides see this?

there is more ff with Alastor/reader (disgusting) than there is Alastor with his canon orientation and to play the devils advocate for arophobic people there is more Angel/Alastor then his stated in the show sexuality. I understand that fandom goes back before the show was aired but Viv confirmed his orientation back then too.

Summary

I could go on and on bout different issues and maybe I will in the future but I'm not wasting anymore of this weekend on it. I'm ready to answer any questions as long as they are respectful.

I'm aware that he is a fictional character, it doesn't affect him in any way whatsoever but it does affect aromantic and asexual people keep it in mind.

If there are any mistakes grammar related I'm not sorry I'm fluent in English (not my first language) but I took 3h nap in between and I'm sleep deprived.

Have a nice day.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

Some things are so funny to me.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

Alastor's full demon form? Beautiful. Amazing. Peak. Magnificent. *Chef's kiss*. I'm in love.

[casual-hazbin-fan]

Hazbin Hotel Incorrect Quotes

Alastor: *Gently taps table*

Lucifer: *Taps back*

Vaggie: What are they doing?

Charlie: Morse code.

Alastor: *Aggressively taps table*

Lucifer: *Slams hands down* YOU TAKE THAT BACK-

[casual-hazbin-fan]

📓 ࣪𖤐 He would definitely do it :)))

🪩NOT REPOST MY ART!