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i Will Not Rest. until i have my hands on a mike wheeler funko pop

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same character, different fonts

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I don’t care what twitter says…they’re canon to me

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sometimes ppl will be like “omg this is the biggest byler proof idk how people still ship milkvan” and then pull up some of the weakest evidence we have

the best evidence we have is

the scenes in the show themselves. it's painfully obvious how romantic coded everything is

we know the way narratives work. i could write paragraphs explaining how byler endgame makes the most narrative sense and how if they weren't endgame, it would be god awful writing and make zero narrative sense

i'm all for the littler pieces of evidence but imo when it comes to The Big Proof we should stick to what's always been our best argument lmao

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I mean, cool opinion. But El didn't insist, she literally said 6-8 words in the entire season, Mike just abandoned the pennhust plan by himself. And saying she is a weapon was just to convince Lucas of keeping hee. He genuinely developed a crush on her in s1-2. Finn even said he prefers mileven because it started at the beggining

she did sort of insist though. maybe insist isn’t the right word, but when mike asked el to go knock on the front door and talk to his mom, she said “no.” and explained that it was dangerous, and mike realized “oh shit, yeah, maybe let’s not do that”. but mike did not want to keep el initially. whether or not you believe mike and el are in love by season four, mike was not in love with her when he first saw her, unlike how he claimed in his love confession.

as for finn, if finn saying he likes mileven more means mileven is canon, then what about noah saying he likes byler more and they’re “building that up”? neither of us can really win that argument, so i personally don’t cite it as byler evidence, and don’t accept it as mil3ven evidence

but once again, just my opinion. we’ll see in s5 !!

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“everytime Mike is spotted somewhere that place is near to El.”

And Will is usually with him when he was spotted. So what now?

EXACTLY. as noah said, “all of my scenes, he’s there” (paraphrased but he explicitly pointed out how many scenes have mike and will together)

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Honestly, I like byler, but it's never going to happen in my opinion. Mike is just insecure, he has depression and thinks badly about himself, Finn said it, romance was not on his mind when he met El because he thought he was unloveable, that definetly doesn't mean he didn't love her, instead it means that he considered her unapproachable. That is the reason why he is so teary in the monologue, he is telling her everything with the fear that he might lose her because what if, when everything is said, she still leaves him? The "crush on Mike" Will plot is uncomfortable and honestly I don't know how they are going to solve it, probs giving him a bf/ letting him get over Mike, maybe that's the reason the Duffers said Will grows up and he leaves some things behind. I do think Mike and El have a lot of scenes together, Im not saying a lot but at least some, everytime Mike is spotted somewhere that place is near to El.

Now I do not think they will end up together, but Mike loves her and she loves him, she just needs to go. And that would be a tearful ending for them

thanks for the respectful disagreement, unfortunately it's hard to come by nowadays.

"that definetly doesn't mean he didn't love her, instead it means that he considered her unapproachable." first off, i don't believe in love at first sight. i think it's cheap and uninteresting especially in a love story, that happens between twelve-year-olds. i also don't think you can be in love with someone just by looking at them once. you can be infatuated, sure, but that's not real love. you don't know anything about them. we also know that mike didn't love her at first sight because he tried to get rid of her the next morning so that they could keep looking for will. the only reason why he didn’t give her up is because she insisted and also he found out that she has powers. AND when he finds out that she has powers, he tells dustin and lucas that they should stick with her so that they can use her powers to find will. obviously there is a point where mike cares about el BEYOND just her powers and genuinely cares for her as a person, i’m not denying that. i do think they have a very strong bond. but mike did not love her at first sight. there is nothing that even implies that! mike definitely lied in his love confession in season four, but i digress. if you still don’t believe me here, i guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

“The ‘crush on Mike’ Will plot is uncomfortable and honestly I don't know how they are going to solve it, probs giving him a bf/ letting him get over Mike”. OR, they could make byler canon, and it would actually make sense for will’s plot and not just be really god awful writing. yes, it would be awful writing if will doesn’t end up with mike, and would be awful portrayal of a queer character and feel really gross. see my post here about why that would suck: https://www.tumblr.com/carmenilla/769363335461339136/ok-bc-if-byler-isnt-canon-they-really-just?source=share 

“that would be a tearful ending for them” in my opinion, it would be a bad ending for them, but i don’t feel like going into that. we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree on that part

i think byler will be canon because i believe it would be the best writing and make the most sense, and i do have faith in the duffers' writing abilities. if you like byler and want more proof, i recommend this video by our good old Byler Lawyer:

if you don't feel like that though, i guess we'll just have to see what happens in season 5

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steve being the most popular stranger things character both in universe and in real life is telling

i do think a lot of the general audience does forget that the heart of this show is a story about freaks and weirdos and queers, especially since the most liked character of the show is none of those things

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i do believe that mike didn’t really develop his whole Whatever The Fuck That Is (Gay Edition) for will until season three

i do think he had a lil crush on him beforehand but i don't think the weight of his feelings hit him until season three

do i have any proof for this? no, not really, but it makes the most sense to me and i personally like that idea the most, especially considering the end of season 3 where mike is acting like. That. makes my brain happy

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the fact that byler is possible is proof that it’s real i dont care

if mike isnt acting straight enough to convince me when he has a damn GIRLFRIEND. yeah, yeah that shit’s gay

it's so incredibly easy to not act gay when you're playing a heterosexual character in heterosexual relationship. so easy. it's harder to portray intense gay yearning than it is to act platonic with your best bro. this shit is intentional

and don't you dare tell me mike doesn't act at least a little gay. if you are that delusional i don't wanna hear it

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mike, dustin, and hopper are the biggest "motherfucker" sayers of the cast. fight me

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why does so much of the general audience think will byers is gonna die. they do realize that doesn't make any sense in a story. especially the story stranger things is trying to tell. sure, in real life he could just die, but this is a tv show that is trying to send a message. that is the point. will byers dying would completely ruin that THIS IS COMMON SENSE I FEAR

i would go in more depth but yall already know why that would be dumb lmao

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sometimes ppl will be like “omg this is the biggest byler proof idk how people still ship milkvan” and then pull up some of the weakest evidence we have

the best evidence we have is

the scenes in the show themselves. it's painfully obvious how romantic coded everything is

we know the way narratives work. i could write paragraphs explaining how byler endgame makes the most narrative sense and how if they weren't endgame, it would be god awful writing and make zero narrative sense

i'm all for the littler pieces of evidence but imo when it comes to The Big Proof we should stick to what's always been our best argument lmao

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"mike will choose between will and el in s5"

he already did.

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i wonder how well known i am here on byler tumblr. do yall know who i am. do i have a legacy

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he's a walking disaster what do you mean that's a TRIPLE TAKE

we desperately need new content i swear to god