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Now, this last conversation does take place in a patron only channel of the Nevermore Discord, and as such I only have access to the few screenshots I could collect, not the full thing. I'm only including it because this is important to my ban, and this is where things went south very quickly. I noticed Red saying strange and vague things toward my friends and I, and this wasn't the first time, so I got confused and decided to ask for more context. I had no idea what she was talking about. This was directly after and related to conversation two. After that, I was banned the next day.

And that's it. I know the formatting is a bit confusing, but it's important to me that my name is cleared. Thanks again.

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Hi “clique 1 member” Bugs here I just want to say THANK YOU. This is what we’ve been trying to say!!!

Ive been trying to read all the nevermore drama and oh boy some how this all revolves around shipping discourse ;-; how did we get here ngl “clique 1” seems like they just were like “do we have to ship prospero guys?” “Cant we have one romance repulsed aro without ‘aros are a spectrum’ being shoved in our faces?” And ive felt the same I’ve seen no actual evidence of them harassing anyone and more of red harassing teenagers its just so crazy with everything going on

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Yes, she’s a hitmaker, Nevermore writer, Award winner, right?

And a fuckin' victim blamer that should never say " you can tell us next time..“

Meet the Creators.

Wow, hello!

So, I was actually feeling pretty motivated to write this post yesterday. But things have gotten exponentially worse, and I admit the pressure is getting to me. There seem to be a ton of expectations surrounding what I should be saying here, in order to… I guess, absolve myself? As if there’s a checklist people want me to go through to perform the “perfect” creator apology. But, I don’t see the point. I care a lot about this community and I think you deserve something a lot more sincere than some hollow chat-gpt apology. I understand that that’s foolish, on my part. Things are done that way so often because they work. But what you’ll find throughout this post, is that I’m kind of an idiot about some things. I’m stubborn and hard-headed and a little bit pretentious. And so, what I’m planning to do here is to simply tell you the truth about what happened. No cherry picking. All my mistakes, but also the context that goes with them. And at the end, my formal apology. This is a long and winding tale with a lot of characters. I’m going to be sharing some usernames as we go, in the interest of clarity and transparency. You’ll understand why with the context. But please do not seek these people out. Don’t pick fights with them. It will only make everything worse, for all involved.

Cool? Cool. But first I need to address the elephant in the room. This will probably seem like irrelevant drama at first, but this is the nuance and background that I wasn’t adequately able to articulate the night before last. In more ways than one, this is a story told in twos. The first set of twos is you, the readers. Who you are, and what you’re hoping to find out in this post.

1.      The overwhelming majority of you, are earnestly wanting to understand what has happened in the Nevermore Discord. You are concerned that I am not who you hoped I was. You are disappointed, and I understand why. To you, I am so sorry. I want to say that things are not as bad as they seem, but that is not for me to decide. You will need to draw your own conclusions from the words I write. And I understand, whatever you choose to do next.

2.      And there is a small, but incredibly vocal minority of people who are absolutely living for this. They are spreading complete fabrications with no screenshots to speak of. Horrible, horrible accusations. People who are more excited about watching a dumpsterfire than they are about the series that brought them here in the first place. I’m not going to attempt to cater to those people in this post. Because nothing will ever be good enough. Everything that can be taken in bad faith will be taken in bad faith. It would be pointless. But you’ll see them in the comments and reblogs. This is a known group to not only myself, but many others. I will share some of their names in a later section so you know who to watch for. They will make a lot of noise around this post because they’ve been trying to make something like this happen for actual years. And now that I had a genuinely concerning response that good people reasonably want me to explain, they’re lunging at the chance to throw absolutely anything at the wall. It’s parasocial levels of hatred. This is some deep and horrible lore.

The next set of twos is how two things can be true at the same time. And that is exactly what is going on here, in this situation. Let me be really clear, because I don’t want either truth to be lost in my explanation as they are intrinsically linked to one another.

1.      I did a downright terrible job explaining myself in the Discord when people started asking about crimson. I can give you all kinds of contributing factors for this, and I might later. But none of them really matter. It was incredibly careless of me to use “egging them on” and “cried wolf”  to describe what I understood. At the time I was really laser-focused on expressing what happened as simply and quickly as possible because the channel replies were paused and I felt like everyone was just waiting for me to be finished with my message. But after stepping back, I immediately understood how badly I messed up, because of course these idioms are routinely weaponized against survivors of SA and CSA. That is not how I intended to use them. It was an unfortunate case of one thing looking and sounding like another thing. Incredibly ham-fisted and irresponsible on my part. To the survivors who read my words and felt that it echoed their past experiences, I’m heartbroken that I did that to you. That lapse of judgement was a betrayal to both you and me. I don’t know where my head went, and I’m just blown away by my own lack of awareness in that message. So for that I am and will continue to be sorry.

2.      The second thing that can be true is that, while you are all absolutely owed an explanation and an apology, there are also some people amongst you who are using this fuck-up on my part as a springboard to take me down.  These people have been trying to get a call out post to pop off about me for at least a year, and they have been very quick to jump into the reblogs and comments about this very serious topic with complete lies and slander. Just, anything that might stick to the wall. We’ll address this later on as well. But please understand that me discussing the harassment I’ve faced from these groups is not at the expense of me also owning up to my faults and taking the proper accountability.

And the last set of twos is one I’ve alluded to in the first sets, concerning a pair of toxic side-servers that ran adjacent to the main Nevermore Discord. Completely unofficial cliques. And invisible to myself and Flynn and our mod team. We were eventually made aware that both of them were breaking laws and Discord ToS in ways that leaked into our server and affected our members negatively. As such, both groups were mass-banned. And the cliques are the ones running a majority of the discourse you’ve been seeing here, because while they are formally banned from the discord, we have absolutely no say in their participation on Tumblr. Now, keep in mind. Both of these groups were uncovered after crimson was banned the first time. That’s important later.

Clique #1

My understanding of the first group is that it started as a gaming server for people who met one another through the Nevermore Discord. I don’t know when or why it started being used to talk shit about other readers, but I do know that it got really vicious. And it was sort of an open secret for long before I knew anything about it. I found out after that there were a lot of people passively in this server, just observing. It was that much of a spectacle.

Now, this clique had been pretty rude. Like they’d try to start fights with me in the discord fairly often, both in the Patreon and free spaces. But it wasn’t grounds for dismissal until we found out about the baiting and the alts.  These people had a lot of grievances, but one really united them: they were extremely upset about anyone who would ship Prospero.

Many of you know, that Prospero is an aromantic character, canonically. And you may notice that canonically, he has no apparent love interest. But this group wanted to make sure other readers were not thinking about Prospero in relationships, or creating ship content of him for any reason on the grounds that it would be considered a “proship.” I told them (and I stand on this) that it’s not up to them to police the thoughts of other readers, and that aromantic people have widely varying lifestyles and experiences and do not need to be infantilized that way.

This turned out to be a bad move on my part, because it brought with it an onslaught of alt accounts coming in and "innocently" kicking up what I now refer to as the “prosp-aro” debate every time they had the chance. But because of this and what a common occurrence it was, we started being able to pick out the alts. And we realized that this group of people had been using the same alt accounts with different names to antagonize certain readers they’d decided they hated, and it had gone on for a long time.

I did a lot of investigative work in dms trying to figure out who all was responsible for the harassment, and settled on a list that was vetted by three different people who knew about the clique. And all three of these people insisted that, while Laci was in the group and in a lot of the screencaps saying pretty dubious things, that she was good people. So I believe them, and let Laci stay. This group was banned on April 3, 2024, and contained the following users:

-          lilnatx (nat)

-          suitino (sushi)

-          jj_the_jet_plane (layden)

-          rivsticks (jasper)

-          atheimee (athena)

-          jinxs.com (lanx/jinx)

-          smartestginger (nico)

-          thereallandofbugs (bugs)

-          rosienemui (rosie)

These were the names they were known by on the Discord. I don’t have the Tumblr accounts tied to these identities. But some might be the same. I know a lot of them are here.  It should be noted that jinx was later unbanned due to pressure from Laci that they had been banned in error, after the fact. We allowed them back in after a few days as a favor to Laci since the situation seemed like it was very stressful for her. This would prove to be yet another a mistake since, as you have probably seen in the screenshots from the night before last, jinx rapidly escalated things to another level while I was trying to figure out how to handle crimson’s unbanning and subsequent rebanning an hour later.

Clique #2

Phew. Still with me? Great. The second group we needed to ban was one that actually started long before the first one, but was a lot smaller and comparatively more subtle. This group, to my knowledge, cropped up around the time that ep. 39 of Nevermore was released. (11/10/22) We knew about this group but not who all was involved in it or in what capacity for a very long time. They would consistently post things on Tumblr trying to start a scandal. I recall posts alleging that we were racists, or SA apologists, or that we were sending death threats to a random confessions account.

To be clear, these allegations are completely false. This clique will say anything. Like a recent post one of them put up during this discourse said that hiwi (our mod) is both a r*pe apologist and a childhood friend of mine and that’s the only reason she hasn’t been banned. Hiwi is absolutely nothing of the sort, and I have never met her in person. In fact, she lives on the other side of the continent.

Now, this clique is a little different than the first. The first, to my knowledge, was a group of friends that got toxic and felt morally superior about their opinions and it all kind of got away from them. The vibe was a little catty, I guess. Gossipy. But this clique has more of a stalker vibe. It’s dark.

They’ve had it out specifically for me for as long as I can remember. And some of them (at least one, at all times) would subscribe to our patreon, both to sow dissent in our stream chats and also to leak literally all the content back to the others, including me talking about random shit like what I ate for lunch. Just so they could like. Laugh about it, I guess. I’ll never understand why. [Editing note: because in the final moments of proofreading this post I see one of these people has made some master post about what a terrible person I am? A lot of those screenshots are from Patreon channels and the guy STILL has them laying around. I’m telling you, they stole everything that wasn’t nailed down.] 

The biggest grievance this clique had is that any ship with Montresor is an “SA fetish ship” because to them he is a r*pist because of how he made Ada bark (?) and since Montrada is canon, that means we are supporters of SA, and that Morella and Ada should be together instead. Listen, I’ll level with you, this one baffles me. I don’t even know how to begin to untangle it. But if you see a lot of vitriol about us being SA apologists from these users, it’s because Montresor exists. That’s pretty much it.

You can ask them for screencaps ‘til you’re blue in the face, but unless they build fake ones from the ground up, they’re never going to be able to back up their wild claims. Simply put, they’re provocateurs, and they use the scariest words they can to whip people up into a panic.

We became aware that they were leaking patreon content when one of them was caught publicly referring to things that were being said behind a paywall when we knew they weren’t a patron. It unraveled from there.  People who knew about their antics shared screenshots and information with us, and we finally realized the scope of the clique’s hatred and banned whoever was even left in the Nevermore Discord. But they continue to be active in the community on tumblr. You’ll have seen them around. They were banned on 5/11/2024 and the names involved are as follows (again, a mishmash of discord names, nicknames, and tumblr accounts):

- percy (gremlinguy145 on tumblr)

- queenmorningrose (annabel-lee-nevermore on tumblr)

- spoopycactus630 (spoopy-nevermore-dump on tumblr)

- grif/horrorshow (conscience-grim on tumblr)

- unreqiknizd

- duke aralt (westofthestyx)

- eden (sapphic-mad-scientist on tumblr)

- priemium

Again I’d like to reiterate. The point in sharing these names is not to incite any sort of response against these people. But they are folding themselves into the fray and doing what they can to whip everyone else up into a mob, and all as we’re talking about a discord server that they have been banned from for months now. The above context is also relevant for the next section, which is why you’re all here in the first place.

What the hell happened with Crimson?

I hope it’s not confusing, but now we’re going back to 3/14/2024, before anything I just outlined above had come to light. The cliques were quietly doing their harassment and baiting and raiding and whatever-the-hell behind the scenes, but Flynn and I and the mods were blissfully unaware of how bad it was getting. We get a dm from Laci. The same Laci who was part of Clique #1 and was rescued from being banned with the others by her friends outside the group. Jinx’s friend, who managed to get them unbanned as well. You have probably seen these screencaps already, but I will show them to you again, just in case.

Sufficed to say, we were immediately alarmed by the information Laci shared in her DM with us. Now, I want to be very clear about this because it’s been lost in the game of telephone. What Laci outlines in her dm to me, were the events that occurred between six users (including crimson) in a group chat with minors. Everyone in the evidence was censored (pfp and username), as was the image that crimson showed them. When I asked, Laci agreed to give me one name of one of the minors in the dm. I’ll call them Alice, but that is not their real name. I asked if I could talk to Alice about this, I was told by Laci, no. Alice doesn’t want to talk. I was like, ok I understand, that’s fine. 

I hope it makes sense when I say that it is not feasible for us to moderate the things that happen in peoples’ dms. As you’ve seen above, the mod team doesn’t usually get involved with drama unless whatever is happening is directly affecting the experience people are having in the Nevermore Discord because that is all we can see and the only place we have any real authority.  But this was obviously a special case. We banned crimson very quickly without asking any follow-up questions, because of course we did!? I’ve seen people say I’m harboring or defending crimson or that we’re buddies but we barely spoke, ever. They were a stranger to me then, and they still are now.

But something about the entire situation wasn’t adding up to me. And I want to be clear that none of this is in any way meant to discredit csa survivors, I’m really just trying to put you in my headspace and walk you through my thought process. But I found that the evidence was just, sort of strange. Laci started her dm explaining that she found this information out because she and a group of people were investigating crimson for ‘art tracing’ which felt, to me, like a bizarre non-sequitur and totally irrelevant next to the evidence of them showing nsfw content to minors. Petty, kind of. Like I wanted to ask – why were you doing that in the first place? People trace Flynn’s art all the time. As long as they’re not selling it, it’s not a big deal.

Most of the crops are from a PC but the windows are oddly small, and only contain a couple messages at a time. Some have American formatted time and some have European formatted time. So different users, I assume? The names were blotted out, which I would understand for a public call-out but not for a private report to the mod team. Laci was not in this gc at any point in time, despite being the one to report. 

One of the users was apparently 12, to which I ask – what is a 12-year-old doing on discord at all? If we knew who they were, we would have reported the account. Discord is not a safe place for a child that age, let alone a small group chat. Along with 18-year-old Crimson, there was also a 22- and 17-year-old in the chat, which left us wondering – why hadn’t anything been done?

I had no evidence that anyone ever told crimson they were minors, and I feel if it existed, it would have been in the screencap dump (I find that sometimes a noticeable lack of key evidence is evidence in itself). No one seems to have tried to kick crimson from the group chat or report their account for inappropriate behavior. Then there’s the fact that this is a group chat. Anyone in it can leave at any time. 

Then I came across the messages that started this whole gc, and it only got stranger when I realized Alice started it, called it “Women Lovers” and created it “so we can talk about Nevermore women without having to filter ourselves” after they all reacted to a sultry but sfw drawing of Lenore that crimson had made and posted in our hideout channel. And all that made me wonder why Alice didn’t just kick crimson, if she had admin power?  Do you see what I mean? It’s just all a bit head tilty. I noticed it at the time. But I said nothing. Because it didn’t matter. Crimson, no matter what happened, exposed minors to nsfw content. And that’s on them. And I’ve never in my life defended it. We banned them.

Crimson was beside herself. She came off humiliated and apologetic, and insisted she had no idea and begged to come back to a community she said she loved. But we told her no, there’s no coming back from doing what she did.

Time passes and we uncover Clique #1. And while we figured out who the main players were, I dmed with Laci. And it was Laci herself, who tells me that it was Alice who made most of Clique #1’s alt accounts, and that it was Alice who used those alt accounts to harass people and try to get them to start fights or say something that might get them in trouble. 

And I’ll be honest with you, the mod team still didn’t think much of it, outside of – we need to figure out which accounts were the alts. So we did. We had several confirmed to us.  And those accounts were zeroing in on certain users that the clique didn’t like. At the time we noticed two notable targets in addition to the mod team. I won’t name them, it’s their business if they want to weigh in about all that. But in screencaps, they’ll be labeled Target #1 and Target #2.

More time passes and Clique #2 comes to light. As you can imagine, by now we’re feeling disillusioned, and very tired of trying to moderate shit we cannot see for ourselves. And that’s when crimson comes back to very hesitantly ask if they might be able to appeal their ban. It wasn’t until then that it occurred to us that Laci (on behalf of Alice) was the only one who ever reported anything to us about Crimson. 

And I want to just say that again. Because it’s gotten lost too. Laci was the only person who ever reported Crimson. There was not one single other person who ever sent a modmail or a dm or even a ping to anybody on the mod team. I have since (only yesterday) seen some screencaps that are rather skin crawly, but even those happened in yet another side server. Thinking on this, the mods went back through the known alt accounts Alice had used. And they found that Alice harassed crimson both on her main account and on the same alt accounts that she used to harass the other targets.

By now, Alice is banned for completely unrelated reasons. Not because of what happened with Crimson. I’ve seen that one flying around and I’m sorry it’s just not true. It’s because she was relentlessly harassing and cyberbullying people in the discord we moderate. Laci is still there, but had lost my trust, for being involved with both the drama I’ve mentioned here and more that I don’t care to dip into. It’s ultimately irrelevant. But what am I going to say to Laci? “Hey, did you and Alice, by any chance, coordinate some kind of bizarre trap together to get crimson banned from the discord because you suspected them of tracing their art?” And once again. Because I want to keep this top of mind. Even if that were the case, it doesn’t make what Crimson did alright, and it never will. Sharing nsfw content in front of minors is a disgusting thing to do. And one that we frankly are really irritating about in the moderation of the discord. I’ve heard people say that we over-moderate when it comes to art. 

But all this stuff about a “known pedophile?” If it was known, then we were on the outs. And to even this minute right now, I don’t have any conclusive evidence that Crimson is a pedophile. The evidence I have is that Crimson shared nsfw with a group of people whose ages they did not know. Which is fucking gross. It’s an adult’s responsibility to make sure they’re speaking with other adults before posting things of that nature. 

But at the time, the way I read the situation is that Crimson had only just stopped being a minor and was egregiously negligent in how they were speaking and what they were posting, likely in part due to them not being aware enough of their adult responsibilities.  And hey. I know some of you are chomping at the bit. You can call me naïve for this! This is what I’m referring to when I say that I can be a real idiot. But I feel everyone has been very quick to call Crimson a pedophile. I know this is pedantic to say, but the prerequisite for being a pedophile is “being attracted to minors.” Based on the information I had at my fingertips, I did not think Crimson sought out these minors. Crimson was invited to the gc, they did not ask to join. 

I have seen discussions about all the things crimson did to their victims since we unbanned them but I have not seen screencaps to support that whole ‘marriage proposal’ thing, and again I think it sounds a bit odd coming as a pedophilia accusation from someone only one year younger than crimson.  

But you know what? I don’t know crimson. Maybe we were wrong. But even if we weren’t, I realize in hindsight that it was a stupid decision for the mod team to give them a second chance. We didn’t have anyone to consult about what happened because all the other people in the chat had been obscured from me and I didn’t feel like Laci would give me a straight answer. 

The mods and I felt at the time that crimson, like the other targets of Clique #1, had been singled out and that they deserved another very closely monitored chance in the discord, which they said they still missed dearly. I’m a bleeding heart, alright? A total sap. I know that. But being honest with you, I felt bad. It feels horrible to be singled out and targeted. And I was probably too close to that feeling at the time, seeing as we were on the tail end of finding out the Clique #2 had pursued me so relentlessly for so long. 

So for my part, I’m sorry. I made a rash decision that was influenced by some very personal circumstances. And we should have left it alone. Based on the evidence I've seen, I don’t know if I personally would call crimson a pedophile and certainly I wouldn't call them a known pedophile, but I am regretful that we risked it either way.

When I was trying to explain all of this in the west common room channel two nights back, things had boiled over and were already getting out of hand very quickly. A lot of brand new accounts were joining the discord with one word intros just to start conflicts in the public server with crimson. Alts. Either from banned users or burner accounts. And I got panicky. One of the mods paused the messages in west common room but no one besides me was available to handle the situation at that moment. Reacts about being silenced were pouring in and I felt pressured to quickly take over and try to explain. 

In my rush, I stupidly didn’t backread more than a quick skim. And I ate shit, y’all. You saw. One thing I want to state outright. I’m talking a lot about my thoughts and my feelings and it’s because I don’t wanna speak for Flynn or for the mods. But I didn’t make this decision alone. In fact, I was dragging my feet and being really lazy about okaying the whole thing. Just because I was busy, not because I was fretting over it or anything. But I had to be pinged and then literally tapped on the shoulder by Flynn, asking me to respond to mod chat when this was being discussed earlier that day. That doesn’t change the fact that I was part of the decision. I agreed to unban crimson. Foolishly. I understand that, now. 

I hope that now it makes some more sense though, how it came to happen. I never meant to hurt anyone. My own past and present feelings got in the way, and I own that. But in the moment, my personal intention was to give crimson a second chance because I felt that they’d been targeted by Clique #1. Not to ignore anyone’s concerns or make them feel unsafe, even if those were the ultimate outcome.  

So, completely underprepared and defensive, I jumped into west common room and I just. Blew it. Totally fucking blew it. I knew it instantly but it’s hard to stay logical when people are telling you you’re vile and evil and they’re sick that they ever thought you were a good person and that they’ll never see you the same way again. My mind went blank and I don’t really remember much of what happened next. But I said what I said, and I should have done better. 

I wish there was a word bigger than sorry. I’m beside myself. I know there was probably a way to make everyone happy. To make everything okay. But I wasn't clever enough to figure it out in the moment, and it eats at me. So it’s like I’m sorry for my poor judgment and my terrible choice of words, but there’s another layer where I’m also sorry for not matching how wonderful this community is with how wonderful (or well, unwonderful) I was two nights ago. I promise I am going to work harder to be better for you all.

Again, to every victim of SA and CSA, my heart is with you, more personally than you might realize. I don’t think I could have handled my explanation in a worse way. And I’m so so sorry.

Moving forward, I am also going to take an enormous step back from moderating and participating in the discord in general. I feel like a lot of this happened because I was still treating it like it belonged to a smaller fandom, like Shiloh’s. But realistically, I don’t have time to both moderate and make the series itself, and I really dragged my feet on being honest with myself about that. And for that too, I apologize. We’re going to get more mods, they’re going to have full control of the moderation, and Flynn and I are going to do what we love more than anything in the world and just make Nevermore.

I understand if you won’t be there for it. This is not a flattering picture I’ve painted for you. And you’d be well within your rights, to decide not to give us another chance. But it's been a pleasure to lurk here in this wildly talented corner of tumblr. And I’ll never forget it. <3 Yours truly, -Kit Trace

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I'm sorry for everything that happened on discord and getting ur name put out like that. As another minor myself ik I would be incredibly stressed so I hope ur doing okay and focusing well on school and stuff.

Thank you, it was stressful at the time but after it really happened I learned to move on but now that it’s been brought up again for no reason it’s brought back that same feeling of “why am I being blamed again? What did I do?” Although the feeling yet still being there is a bit more muffled because the first time around I really admired red and looked up to her a lot but since then she’s really lost that part of me. For now I’m on summer vacation waiting to become a freshman next year! Thank you for your concern and I really appreciate people like you 🫶

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Say, Crimson, I hear you like 'em young

You better not ever go to cell block one

To any bitch that talk to her and they in love

Just make sure you hide your lil' sister from her

They tell me ur bf the only one that get your hand-me-downs

And PARTY at the party, playin' with her nose now

And Red got a weird case, why is she around?

Certified Lover Girl? Certified pedophile !!!

Wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, Bugs, fuck 'em up

Wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, I'ma do my stuff

Why you trollin' like a bitch? Ain't you tired?

Tryna strike a chord and it's probably A-Minor

Regarding the Nevermore discord situation as the accused (Crimson). I would like to explain everything that happened from my point of view. I am also posting this off my own accord as well.

About 6-7 months ago I joined the nevermore discord. I was a very active member and joined a few side discords for specific fanfics but I mainly kept things to public servers. I would never 1 on 1 chat with anyone much younger than me. I have never once sought out minors in any way.

But how this all started is I one day made a drawing of Lenore and a bunch of people in hideout were simping over it. That’s when one of them (not me) suggested to make a group chat where we could explicitly say whatever we want. (Not a public server like some people thought). It was then called “Women Lovers”. I was invited to it and wasn’t the one who invited any other members. I only really knew one other member (the one who invited me and made the gc), and one wasn’t even from the nevercord server. Everyone was saying very explicit things about the nevermore characters (things they wanted to do to them/things wanted to be done to them and etc). I didn’t just straight out the ballpark start sending explicit images, everyone was interacting (however, I know that is not an excuse for my behavior. I’m not blame shifting because we are all to blame). Anyways, at the time I was writing a one shot Nurse Dolly x y/n nsfw fanfic. I shared a small screenshot, and the people in the gc either asked for more or didn’t say anything. So then I sent the link to the google doc (but I have since deleted this fic.) After that, I also shared a small screenshot of a nsfw scenario thing I was making an ai bot write about the nevermore characters. Some then asked me to share more, and so I did. When one member seemed uncomfortable with one of the kinks presented in the material, I asked everyone if they wanted me to delete it. The literal person who got uncomfortable said it was fine to not delete, and then one other member also said for me to not delete it. The rest of the members stayed quiet. Even if I didn’t ask, I gave people opportunity to tell me to take it down or to tell me they were minors. I also wasn’t the creator of the group chat. I could’ve been kicked at any time. And as for ages, I didn’t ask at the start of the bc because 1) I didn’t make the gc and didn’t invite the people (which I’ve stated). 2) I have stated my age (early 19) to many people in the nevercord discord and it has also always been in my bio so even if I didn’t know other peoples ages they knew mine. And 3) it was literally started to be nsfw in the first place, so why would I not assume that it was fine?

So I think the group chat lasted about 3 days? Maybe a lil more or less I don’t remember exactly. That was when it was suddenly deleted, I started getting people blocking me, and then I was banned. I never groomed anyone, never sought any minors out, never told anyone that I was “waiting for them to be legal to marry them.” All of these are lies and misinformation that I have no idea why are being spread around. I have never said anything romantic or explicit towards another member of the community no matter their age. There is also some people saying a 12 year old was in the group chat, which I have no idea if that’s true and is awful to think about. Discord is 13+ so I don’t even know why they are on discord in the first place, much less accepting invites to a nsfw group chat. Or why they were even invited in the first place. I, once again, didn’t invite anyone and didn’t know anyone invited. I was not in charge of that.

I wanted to come back to the server because I loved the community and the art, and also discussing new webtoon episodes. I knew nothing was going to go back to the way it was, and I wasn’t planning on being as active as I had been, but I also wasn’t expecting a bunch of people to come out and call me a pedophile and the mods and red pedo defenders. They dealt with the evidence that was given to them, and it’s hard when people are making up a bunch of stuff, all the evidence given was heavily edited (stuff blocked out or it was only my short messages and nothing else shown), and I have no evidence of my own. After this whole incident, it probably would’ve been wiser of me to just stay gone and not ask for an appeal. Even if I wasn’t intending to hurt anyone, the hurt was still there. When I got my ban message I was just disgustingly beside myself, and still am. Even if both parties are at fault, and freshly new or not, I am still legally an adult at the end of the day. My actions have had consequences, and I own up to my part 100%. It was a mistake I will never repeat again.

Concluding notes, I am once again very terribly sorry for everything that has happened, and I know people call it crap but I never meant to harm anyone at all. I’m very sorry for all of the drama and hurt this has caused. I’m not expecting forgiveness or even understanding from any of you, but I do want the truth of what happened to be out there. Thank you.

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Alright time to come out, not out of the closet, but I am Nat (Or Lilnatx) . I wanted to come here and share my story or fairy tales if you don't like me. I was a part of “clique 1”

Not to use my age like a pokemon card but I am 15, and I don't care what you have to say to me personally but I'm sick and tired of my name being dragged through the mud and being used as a scapegoat. But I have lots of pent up anger that I didn't have the privilege of saying.

April 3rd was the day I was banned from nevermore, with no proof. Like at all, I'm still bamboozled and scratching my head like a monkey on what was actually on me and my friends. We were accused of “shit talking” and I have yet to see the shit that we have allegedly talked about.

And honestly? Even if I did shit talk people, why… in a conversation about a predator … does that matter? I'm exhausted with how Red always fights with teenagers (like me) and other friends of mine. It's so despicable that the minions might just leave Gru for her instead. I was in gym class when I got banned and honestly? I would rather get banned 10 more times than do another plank for 2 minutes while seeing my P.E teacher's bald head.

My crimes that I did publicly (in the screenshot that red posted) is me being.. not fucking involved? Right before I got banned I was staying away from people that I previously did not enjoy and in fact I tried my best to not interact with them directly. At one point I had many members blocked on my discord because I was tired of being the villain.

Yet here I am in the year of our lord July of 2024 and people are still referring to my friends as “nats clique” like I said earlier im 15, quince. I have little power over my friends' actions , especially if they're an adult. I can barely get Laci to join me on Minecraft let alone make her collaborate on some high tech scheme, what is this shit? Oceans 11?

I find it petty that red refers to my friends as a “clique” we're a friend group, and the definition of a clique requires a group that's hard to get into. The server (until now) was open, you could pull up to Jinx's profile like a McDonald's drive through and get an invite. Our friend group was constantly expanding and if you personally felt like you were scared to talk to us, I'm sorry that you never experienced the poop closet jokes.

Red being paranoid about what a bunch of teenagers were maybe saying behind her back to deflect about crimson is quite irresponsible I do say so myself. So please Red! With a cherry on top! Show me what I did to you. What sin have I committed on your ego that should banish me to hell. Because I sure as hell don't know what I've done, (and you can quote this) you probably don't know what I've done either, because you made it all up.

Unfortunately I have no screenshots to give, because my phone storage is ass. But you can hit up any of the members of my clique for proof regarding my innocence. I promise I'm not an evil bitch who wants to ban you (not evil not evil no I'm the least evil person I know)

I'm sorry if this response upsets you, but if a 15 year old girl who ships who chicks bothers you so much. Imagine how I feel, imagine now so many people who once looked up to you feel. Everyone in your post looked up to you once as a role model, and have had panic attacks and stress because (allegedly) you harmed them with your cruel words. You can think it's your fault or not that's not my problem.. but for someone who wants evidence and proof 24/7 you sure like to not give out proof of anyone else.

P.S if you were anyone who gave red evidence of my wrong doings, can I see them? Cause I don't know what I have done.

P.P.S I'm not a man, and I write fanfiction of lesbian vampires.

P.P.P.S this is so not sigma that I gotta make this response

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Saca mi puto nombre de ahí, maldita gringa. Soy menor de edad.

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Hello, I assume some of yall have read red’s new post explaining her side of the story, in that my name was dropped as part of a “harassment clique”. Now I am not good with words but I would like to share my side of that story, now there is a lot that red said over this clique but I can assure you there is even more that she did not cover. Now red was correct that the side server started off as a gaming server for those who met through the fandom, now this side server did not start off with any malicious intents and it also did not end with it. The server is now completely dry and everyone has left although that does not mean we ended our friendships. The “clique” she spoke of were merely just the most active of the server members that spoke and hung out together more frequently. Red also mentioned that the server became a place where everyone could just be toxic and shit talk fellow readers when this was not the case, the server stayed following its main purpose to chat and play games, the only time anything about other readers or “shit” was discussed was when it came into our friends lives.Now red talked about banning said members of the clique due to “evidence” she had been shown of our “toxicity” when in reality she had maybe one or two screenshots that were taken out of context and given to her by spies she planted in the server for the sole purpose on finding proof of us being “toxic”. The screenshots of “proof” incriminated maybe 1 or 2 people and banned the rest of the “clique” by association. I heard that moments before everyone was banned a fight emerged in a common room channel of the nevercord, I cannot tell you the details of said fight as I was asleep at the moment of all this unraveling, and woke up to already being banned as I was getting ready for school. Now usually when someone is banned in the nevercord they are given a warning telling them that they are about to be and why, now I did not receive anything like this and as far as I am aware neither did the other members of the “clique”. I will admit I foolishly did message red and other mods on an alt that i already had (It was made for joke purposes long before any of the alt harassment allegations were made and I only used it once.) asking frantically as to why I was banned, I was confused and scared thinking i had done something horrible that I wasn’t aware of. I guess what I’m trying to say is that in the end we were not a group of monsters who only spoke to eachother to hate on other people for no reason but instead a group of friends who were wrongly and harshly accused of heinous acts of which we did not commit.

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Hello, I assume some of yall have read red’s new post explaining her side of the story, in that my name was dropped as part of a “harassment clique”. Now I am not good with words but I would like to share my side of that story, now there is a lot that red said over this clique but I can assure you there is even more that she did not cover. Now red was correct that the side server started off as a gaming server for those who met through the fandom, now this side server did not start off with any malicious intents and it also did not end with it. The server is now completely dry and everyone has left although that does not mean we ended our friendships. The “clique” she spoke of were merely just the most active of the server members that spoke and hung out together more frequently. Red also mentioned that the server became a place where everyone could just be toxic and shit talk fellow readers when this was not the case, the server stayed following its main purpose to chat and play games, the only time anything about other readers or “shit” was discussed was when it came into our friends lives.Now red talked about banning said members of the clique due to “evidence” she had been shown of our “toxicity” when in reality she had maybe one or two screenshots that were taken out of context and given to her by spies she planted in the server for the sole purpose on finding proof of us being “toxic”. The screenshots of “proof” incriminated maybe 1 or 2 people and banned the rest of the “clique” by association. I heard that moments before everyone was banned a fight emerged in a common room channel of the nevercord, I cannot tell you the details of said fight as I was asleep at the moment of all this unraveling, and woke up to already being banned as I was getting ready for school. Now usually when someone is banned in the nevercord they are given a warning telling them that they are about to be and why, now I did not receive anything like this and as far as I am aware neither did the other members of the “clique”. I will admit I foolishly did message red and other mods on an alt that i already had (It was made for joke purposes long before any of the alt harassment allegations were made and I only used it once.) asking frantically as to why I was banned, I was confused and scared thinking i had done something horrible that I wasn’t aware of. I guess what I’m trying to say is that in the end we were not a group of monsters who only spoke to eachother to hate on other people for no reason but instead a group of friends who were wrongly and harshly accused of heinous acts of which we did not commit.

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Situation in a nutshell:

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I was going to keep away from all the Nevermore drama originally, however somethings new had just come to my awareness, and i just cant anymore Cw: very aggravating texts

This is my friend/source asking the person(who was under Red's interrogation) for their Dm's with Red.

The purple one is my friend, the blue and yellow censors is the person giving us the information.

Here are the Dm's: again, cw: for aggravating texts

Not only pressuring an obvious child here, Red-- you have the audacity to ask why they think they have "control in the conversation?" and should you "pardon their attitude?" If feels so egotistical, that you're on a constant authority high.

This and the time you shut down anyone who asked about the situation of those who were banned for apparently no reason other than being a suspected alt-- Your aggression and foremost, above all apparently, sassy attitude to a group who you're(I assume) aware are minors, is downright just gross. If i would be so frank, it feels majorly like an ego stunt than anything else.

This display of witch-hunt-- the blatant disregard to this child's mental safety here, and their just panicky responses. Why ask in the first place if all you're going to do is force your assumptions on this kid? Playing "bad cop" is and will never be the correct reaction when it comes to trying to figure out an uncertain situation(even with how you sound so sure, you still came to ask).

And honestly, I am even more enraged by the fact just a few days prior about the Crimson's Unbanning argument you chastised the discord audience about "witch hunting," despite acknowledging you know less than those actually included(who have spoken out, and whom were subsequently banned. Such as .milo, a victim of Crimson) (not saying I am for witch-hunting)

All I have to say, Red, is personally I find the more I learn of you, the more I grow a certain distaste of you. I really wish i had a semblance of hope that really, truly wasn't you. But hells, with how much I've seen from you...

and the poor kid. All because of some paid-for art(that most definitely is on Pinterest)

@gothwineaunts

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I was going to keep away from all the Nevermore drama originally, however somethings new had just come to my awareness, and i just cant anymore Cw: very aggravating texts

This is my friend/source asking the person(who was under Red's interrogation) for their Dm's with Red.

The purple one is my friend, the blue and yellow censors is the person giving us the information.

Here are the Dm's: again, cw: for aggravating texts

Not only pressuring an obvious child here, Red-- you have the audacity to ask why they think they have "control in the conversation?" and should you "pardon their attitude?" If feels so egotistical, that you're on a constant authority high.

This and the time you shut down anyone who asked about the situation of those who were banned for apparently no reason other than being a suspected alt-- Your aggression and foremost, above all apparently, sassy attitude to a group who you're(I assume) aware are minors, is downright just gross. If i would be so frank, it feels majorly like an ego stunt than anything else.

This display of witch-hunt-- the blatant disregard to this child's mental safety here, and their just panicky responses. Why ask in the first place if all you're going to do is force your assumptions on this kid? Playing "bad cop" is and will never be the correct reaction when it comes to trying to figure out an uncertain situation(even with how you sound so sure, you still came to ask).

And honestly, I am even more enraged by the fact just a few days prior about the Crimson's Unbanning argument you chastised the discord audience about "witch hunting," despite acknowledging you know less than those actually included(who have spoken out, and whom were subsequently banned. Such as .milo, a victim of Crimson) (not saying I am for witch-hunting)

All I have to say, Red, is personally I find the more I learn of you, the more I grow a certain distaste of you. I really wish i had a semblance of hope that really, truly wasn't you. But hells, with how much I've seen from you...

and the poor kid. All because of some paid-for art(that most definitely is on Pinterest)

@gothwineaunts

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Im sure most of you have either heard or know about the situation going on in the nevermore fandom right now, now I am not a tumblr nevermore creator but I do have some insight on the crimson situation. (By insight I mean I have screenshots)

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MORELLA SAINT PATRICK CONFIRMED??? 😱😱😱🤯🤯🤯 *TOTALLY 100% REAL*

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Find a difference

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