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that's it?

that's the "lesbophobic fetish" of the person who coined the term transandrophobia?

THAT WAS JUST A MILD CONSENSUAL ROLEPLAY SMUT SESSION LEAKED FROM A PRIVATE SERVER!!!

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"transandrobros think trans women oppress them" i dont know how to tell you this but no. not really. i think most of us think we're both oppressed by cis people and we just want recognition of the way our maleness or masculinity impacts that

this argument genuinely makes me frustrated because im not going to deny it happening; theres some vile transmisogyny out there, and ive seen my trans brothers and siblings perpetuate it, but often times when i see this point brought up its not because trans women were being painted as oppressors but because someone was talking about lateral discrimination

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i'm not even in this conversation but it's pissing me off so hi. transmasc enby here to explain what some of y'all are missing about the term

transandro/phobia

see that? see what i did there?

it's not trans/androphobia, it's transandro/phobia

it's not "bigotry against men: trans edition," it's "bigotry against trans men/mascs specifically"

"but androphobia isn't real!!" yeah we know. "just use transmisogyny or transphobia!!" those don't describe bigotry against transmasculinity - transphobia is broad and transmisogyny is directed towards bigotry against transfemininity.

like transmisogyny, it's about the intersection; not just bigotry against women or just bigotry against trans people, but a combination of both.

it's about bigotry that targets and affects transmasculinity - bigotry centered on that intersection.

"but men aren't targeted by bigotry!!" cis men aren't. if you think every trans man 100% passes and is instantly accepted as a man by general society... you're just wrong ok this shouldn't be shocking. breaking news transphobes are transphobic to all trans people.

"but why does it have to be -androphobia?!" well, trans/phobia and trans/misogyny have a specific structure, and since there is no established term for bigotry against men bc there isn't bigotry against men outside of failing at patriarchal norms (which is just misogyny again,) "transandro" or transmasculinity + "phobia" or bigotry against gives you... transandro/phobia.

"but why do you even need a term for yourselves?!" ...because transphobes target and attack transmaculinity differently than transfemininity? did y'all forget about "Irreversible Damage?" about "poor confused girls pressured to become boys?" about "wow she's so ugly after taking HRT, should've stayed a nice pretty girl and kept her mouth shut, those evil trans people manipulating our daughters into mutilating themselves, they're just trying to escape misogyny, they're just trying to cheat their way out and leave us behind, they're never going to accept you, you'll always be a girl, you'll always be miserable so just accept it already."

yeah. transmascs have our own issues, same way transfems have their own issues compared to the trans community at large. its... not radical to say that we're affected differently and we want the language to talk about it.

stop eating your own and focus on the actual problem: the people who want to legislate us out of existence, and if that's too slow, with bullets instead of bathroom bills.

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"all people who talk about transandrophobia are white " Zionists" ... Oh also all the Black trans men who talk about it are sexual predators if they exist which they don't because everyone who talks about transandrophobia is white "

Do some of you hear yourselves?

Like ive seen contradicting accusations in the notes one person says "they sexualise everything" the next is "they're prudes who hate sex positivity " like not to mention the infantalisation and "stolen trans valor" & "you're not the sexuality you say you are actually" like how is this criticising misogyny and transmisogyny?

Also just the sheer hatred and erasure of intersex and multi gender people like geez

Like what was actually said because all of the notes aren't talking about that they're just making up a caricature of a "theyfab trender who isn't really as trans as real trans people but are invading lesbian spaces to force real lesbians to fuck men" to be mad at rather than "this specific thing they said was misogynistic /lesbiphobic"

Instead it's all just like "no you have to detransition to reclaim misogynistic slurs that have been used against you or to be a lesbian otherwise you hate women" or "trans men must be binary & only use binary terms and" male terms" or else they're fakers" like what? In the 70s radfem fried fuck is going on?

Like you know that nonbinary people exist right?

That trans butches (of all agabs) exist right?

That intersex people who might use language that seems "contradictory" at first exist right? Like idk if someone is being misogynistic surely there's misogyny to point to rather than claiming that their identity/existence itself is misogynistic?

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no one is saying transmisogyny doesnt exist 😭 no trans person is exempt from transmisogyny though like this is what we mean when we say that TME/TMA assumptions arent useful online or IRL bc a stranger cannot speak to the unique oppression you face till you talk about it, none of us are exempt from bigotry and not even Serano agrees with yall

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'afabmisogyny' is probably the most mask off terf BS I've read like ecspecially when it comes with shit like "trans women could never understand what cis women and afabs experience" like fuck right off that's some jk Rowling level 'oh I'd march with you if you actually were opressed' BS and calling trans people 'trans activists' that's such an old dogwhistle for not seeing trans liberation as legit and treating radfems terfs and the rights violence against trans people as a 'two sides ' issue... Like calling it a 'war between radfems and trans activists' is just mask off

Just fyi beware of or block detransraichu as she seems to be trying to peddle this 'uwu both sides I'm an enlightened centrist in the war against the radfems and transadvocates' BS while reblogging literal terfs talking about 'the penis is not a neutral organ because it rapes and impregnates women' and excusing that as 'its research for my book'

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"Made various missteps and eventually disbanded for interpersonal issues" is THE funniest way to say "the cult destabilized and survivor testimony started to surface."

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I'd suggest blocking @milf--adjacent

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An anon* pointed out that the reason "transmisandry" shows up and not "transmisogyny" is because misogyny is a blocked tag. Whatever is going on is at best not related to the trans community at all. The discrepancy is doubtless because "misogyny" is used as a tag more than misandry, transmisogyny, and transmisandry put together.

So you can shut up about it now, thank you. We've definitively solved that and surprise, you're not going to believe this, but Tumblr was not trying to silence transmisogyny discussion and push it for transmisandry.

*who I accidentally deleted because I got several about this whoops

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really fascinating developments in the perisex world where there’s been this response to intersex people disliking TME/TME terminology, supporting the concept transandrophobia/anti-transmasculinity, etc that has somehow led a lot of perisex trans people to decide they’re allowed to be overtly intersexist in fun new ways. it used to be that a lot of trans people held an excessively reverent tone towards intersex people and this was oddly fetishistic in its own right, but the point is that queer people who knew about intersex people, knew intersex people are oppressed by perisex people.

this doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. it seems to me that some people genuinely believe intersex trans people actually have special intersex privileges that allow them to wield a new oppressive power over trans people, especially transfems, because it has seemingly been decided that the only type of trans that intersex people can be is transmasculine. there are no TMA intersex people when discussing transmisogyny because every single intersex transfem is under immense scrutiny to prove her right to identify as transfem, and every investigation concludes that if you don’t have the beliefs they think you should have, it’s obviously because you aren’t a real transfem who would believe those things. the obvious inverse of this logic is never explored, though. intersex people cannot be transfem because [insert definition that excludes intersex people regardless of situation], but at the same time, transmasculinity of intersex people is rarely called into question by the perisex trans community, and it’s often expected. the same people who will insist that you have the wrong AGAB (transfemininity is inherently related to birth assignment and nothing else), the wrong set of parts (transfemininity requires a body that people perceive as male and nothing else), or the wrong social upbringing (transfemininity requires being forced into a male social role while also never being accepted into it). and at any given point, all of these will be contradicted. if you say you have an ambiguous or CTF intersex variation but were assigned male, suddenly it’s a question of such things as “how you are transfem and menstruate,” those are of course at odds. they will question your right to be transfem because “the transfem experience” includes not having a menstrual cycle. but if you say you were AFAB but are CTM and plan to medically transition in a pattern similar to perisex transfems, well, this is bioessentialist of you to consider as transfemininity because you clearly believe being transfem is about having a penis and nothing else. transfemininity is actually only social, and if you were AFAB, nothing about your body will be relevant. and what if you were AFAB but treated as a boy your whole life, forced into male identity even when you were actually a girl? you probably just don’t actually understand the terms. you probably just experienced a lot of misdirected transmisogyny because they thought you were transfem.

so of course, there are no intersex transfems, aside from maybe, just maybe, a select few who only found out a variation with very few physical signs later in life. in some cases, this person may be accepted as transfem. in others, their transfemininity still may be called into question.

so, people with these experiences trend towards different labels and their own communities. they identify as transfemmasc, AFAB trans women, intergender, cistrans, and the perisex community has the gall to say it’s because intersex people have actually oppressed trans people into not wanting them around anymore. it couldn’t possibly be because perisex trans people, exactly like perisex cis people, have never fully accepted intersex people into their gendered spaces. it couldn’t possibly be that we are all wary of perisex people, trans or cis, because cis people say “you’re not a real woman, you’re intersex,” only for trans people to say, “you’re not a real woman, you’re intersex.”

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Antisemitism in anti-masculinity:

Over the last few years, a term created to disparage those of us who recognise transmasculine specific transphobia exists, has gathered steam and is frequently deployed to dismiss transmasculine suffering. The term is "transandrophobia truther"

Many Jewish trans people have pointed out it is very antisemitic and transphobic to call trans men this. "Truther" in the traditional sense usually refers to someone who doubts an official version of events given (usually) by an authority or government. Very often, as conspiracists do, they end up blaming Jewish people for the 'truth' being concealed. This is why using truther against trans men talking about their oppression is both transphobic and hugely antisemitic.

Now- as someone who believes transandrophobia exists, I'd rather be believed about my own experiences. However, if you do *genuinely* doubt the existence of transandrophobia and wish to have a conversation- you do not start said conversation by relying upon alarmist and antisemitic language like 'truther'.

You wouldn't say that gay people are "homophobia truthers"- not unless you are a homophobe. Ergo, if you persist in calling people "transandrophobia truthers"- you are a transandrophobe. And in both instances, you would be an antisemite as well!

If you want to disagree, be civil. Even then, you aren't owed our attention.

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This is what it feels like talking about antimasculinity within the queer community.

Disclaimer: This is a meme format and not The Best and Most Detailed explanation of antimasculinity ever.

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I wonder if this constitutes "having it worse" to you?

So I am already aware of how racial dynamics play out for trans people. This just further convinced me that white trans women want to feel as oppressed as black trans women and so are using the term "transmisogyny" to say that they are. This website is white as hell. I'm white and can tell how painfully white it is

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i swear some of you are a hair's breadth away from arguing being transmasc means your childhood couldn't have possibly involved gender-related trauma. i mean, i've already seen arguments that trans men don't experience/aren't affected by misogyny at all as if the X amount of years before coming out being treated like dirt for your perceived gender doesn't count for shit I guess, or that one post about how actually even transphobia targeting trans men is actually about attacking trans women first and foremost. why not just go out and say little closeted trans boys have it so good and don't get bullied and harassed and abused and everyone loves them and instantly accepts them. why not, it's never stopped the cis radfems you look up to much, and you're sure to stick it to those transandrobros.

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TME and TMA where terms invented by intersex people, what the fuck are you on? If you hate trans women so much you can just say that. Don't try to hide behind allyship.

I am trans and intersex myself. Many intersex people have come out against this 'progressive' binary, not just myself. Stop bitching at me about 'hating trans women' because I don't like something that actively hurts me and my community. Hope this helped!

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this reminds me of when that transmasc 15 year old killed himself way back when and a bunch of the original "baeddels" were straight up laughing about it and saying that all men and "cafabs" should follow his lead because that's literally the only way they can stop being abusive oppressors. just absolutely deranged shit that reminds of when TERFs fly off the handle about a 10 year old boy and go on an unhinged rant about how all "male children" are already the devil, like we're straight up encouraging suicide and complexes in minors now?

TRFs call those people "based transfeminists"