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Before I get started; if you genuinely think that all plurality is inherently disordered and caused by trauma regardless of context, this argument isn't for you since you refuse to acknowledge the existence of something which even the DSM (a deeply flawed text, but still relevant) recognizes

Something doesn't have to be a clinically recognized disorder to be disabling, nor does it have to be a disability. Bigotry against non-disabled amistic and autistic people is still ableism even if those individuals do not consider themselves to be disabled

Maybe, maybe not, but even the DSM recognizes cultural and spiritual plurality as real things distinct from CDDs.

I singled out professionally diagnosed systems since in most sysclus spaces they are the only ones considered valid as system exclusionism usually coincides with anti-self diagnosis rhetoric (since both rely on denying another person's lived experience). But I do agree with you that making a distinction is ableist, I just figured this particular phrasing may get more exclusionists up in arms

This last one is the one I have the most problem with, the rest of your points can be dismissed as ignorance but to say this you really have to be living under a rock.

"endos have caused it to be increasingly difficult for systems to be diagnosed"

this is first and foremost, just nonsense, I have researched this, I have asked professionals who specialize in plurality, and I have seen 0 fucking evidence of this being the case. If you have any proof at all please, show it to me, I'd be genuinely interested.

On a slightly related note, I would recommend reading up on why MPD was changed to DID (hint: it's because the guy chairing the board charged with making the new DSM did not believe that plurality was a thing period and wanted it to be under diagnosed at least and never diagnosed at best)

"They're ... attempting to be in the same community as us" (term portion will be tackled later)

This has several parts to break down why exactly this is bullshit because, on the face of it, this seems reasonable. But, if you actually know the history of the communities surrounding plurality you will realize the irony in this statement.

Non-traumagenic and non-disordered systems founded the fucking plural community.

Even if you set that aside (which you shouldn't) they have similar experiences, that being the one of plurality. Besides that they rarely if ever try to go into spaces not for them, if anything system exclus are much more likely to go into spaces not for them (e.g. going into a discord server specifically for gateway systems)

"They're taking terms"

Genuine question: what terms? Like, actually, what terms are being "taken" by non-traumagenic and/or non-disordered systems. Even if you want to argue appropriation; which terms? Is it "alter"? "System"? Those have been around for longer than the diagnoses of did so try again.

"This causes the stigma around DID/OSDD/systems choosing to do it for fun or attention to be far more severe and silences our voices."

it doesn't, people existing as themselves does not and will never be the reason for bigotry. Even if it is a choice? So what? The problem isnt them choosing to engage in a certain spiritual experience or coping mechanism, the problem is the fact that it is not taken seriously.

"Plural" is about as broad of a label as "queer", to say that x fringe group is the reason the entire group is suffering is nonsense.

As for voices not being heard, there is strength in numbers, even when those numbers are filled with people who are "weird", "cringe", or whom you simply disagree with.

Plurality is being mainstreamed by the wider plural community, and the existence of said wider community does not erase another, smaller community.

Trans people are not erased by the existence and advocacy of the wider queer community.

We disordered traumagenic systems are not erased by the wider plural community's existence or advocacy. We are erased by a society which refuses to acknowledge our very existence as legitimate and real.

The existence and voices of others whom you think are stranger than you is not why bigots are bigots. Don't let yourself fall victim to the trender mindset.

Tbh we need more prof DXed systems to speak up on behalf of endos, like I know anti-endo rhetoric is entirely just thought-terminating cliches that are short quipy and wrong but like. I know for a fact there are some sysclus who are willing to learn and just have to be exposed to things other than that rhetoric, because I was one of them! We need more traumagenic prof DXed systems speaking up for endos and non-disordered systems, it's so important to stopping the ableism of system exclusionism.

Also yes this is because I was rewatching the alt-right playbook it's a good series and has helped me realize that a lot of exclusionist rhetoric isn't logical (I mean, obviously) and is just made of the same rhetorical used by all hate-driven movements

For once I'm allowing discoursers to interact with me but discourse responses will be reblogged onto my newly made discourse sideblog @bigotry2

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@antichrister

they literally aren't, non-traumagenic plurality has been known about for as long as traumagenic plurality. Also how is people saying "I don't have this disorder I just experience x thing that also happens in this disorder" bastardizing it?? /Gq

Complex dissociative disorders aren't defined by plurality and plurality isn't defined by complex dissociative disorders, which is literally recognized within the DSM as DID/OSDD/etc cannot be diagnosed if the plurality is part of a cultural or spiritual practice.

Tbh we need more prof DXed systems to speak up on behalf of endos, like I know anti-endo rhetoric is entirely just thought-terminating cliches that are short quipy and wrong but like. I know for a fact there are some sysclus who are willing to learn and just have to be exposed to things other than that rhetoric, because I was one of them! We need more traumagenic prof DXed systems speaking up for endos and non-disordered systems, it's so important to stopping the ableism of system exclusionism.

Also yes this is because I was rewatching the alt-right playbook it's a good series and has helped me realize that a lot of exclusionist rhetoric isn't logical (I mean, obviously) and is just made of the same rhetorical used by all hate-driven movements

For once I'm allowing discoursers to interact with me but discourse responses will be reblogged onto my newly made discourse sideblog @bigotry2