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it's so goddamn unfortunate that buck didn't know he was bi till he was a 6'2 200lbs 32 yo because he deserved getting grabbed by the scruff of his neck and being lifted off his feet to get fucked by a big, strong guy when he was just a pup 😔

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“he’s going to get treated like he’s smarter and more mature than Buck despite all evidence to the contrary (that’s how everybody is treated), and he’s going to get his ��more responsibility” at his job.”

I will never forget the way both Tim and Ryan talked about Buck after 809. The idea that Buck is some immature guy and Eddie is this mature man is RIDICULOUS. Like Eddie is incredibly immature and you know what I wouldn’t even mind it if they would actually allow his character to grow (as Buck has and continues to do). Eddie’s character has had little to no growth for 8 seasons now and part of it is Tim refusing to let Eddie take any true responsibility for his actions. The Texas arc was a joke the second they did not let Chris truly voice his feelings on what Eddie did and instead painted it as his parents being the mean bad guys that are keeping Chris away from him.

This is all true but the thing that really grinds my gears is that it’s not even just Eddie. Why the hell does Maddie get treated like some wise queen when it comes to giving Buck advice? She’s older, but she doesn’t actually have more life experience. Different life experience. But not more! She has dated two men. She met Doug when she was a teenager and he consumed most of her younger years, then she went from her first (terrible, I am not denying what she went through) husband to her second pretty quickly. What does she know about being alone? She never has been for more than a few months at a time.

And it would be one thing if the show actually had the guts and creativity to just�� let her be wrong sometimes. Like actually say “Buck listens to her because he idealizes his big sister, but she gives him bad advice on some things because she just doesn’t know what she’s talking about and that’s normal and okay and more interesting.” But they don’t.

Eddie and Maddie both have different life experience than Buck, but not actually more, and they’re both blinded by their ignorances relatively frequently.

Buck wasn’t living in his parents basement playing video games before he joined the fire department. He was living a whole life prior and having valuable experiences that literally could not have all just been sex. And he was living it alone. When he ran into trouble, he had only himself to rely on.

So why doesn’t he ever get any fucking credit for being a grown man who has survival skills and a textured background of life experience?

“Buck’s like Eddie’s other child” DON’T piss me off. I know that particular statement was mostly about sticking it to the shippers. But it’s absolute bullshit, Buck has been the one to bail Eddie out again and again and again. Eddie can’t even raise his own child without outsourcing tough stuff to Buck. Eddie bought his kid a PS5 rather than putting a ramp in his doorway. He’s deeply immature and stunted by his trauma, but the narrative refuses to acknowledge that. His mommy’s at fault.

Buck has lived a life Maddie couldn’t imagine (and vice versa), she should sometimes be wrong in the advice she gives him, and explicitly treated as wrong by the narrative.

As a Buck fan, it’s absolutely maddening. Like I’m not saying that Buck’s perfect. He has moments of immaturity, moments of selfishness, moments of ignorance. Those can’t all be blamed on Fanon AuDHD that the show will never co-sign. But importantly, Buck always wants to do better, and he often comes to the right conclusion on his own given time. Sometimes they write him in a way where he’s allowed to be smart and even wise at times. And then other times they hand him the idiot ball in a lazy shortcut to building up another character. And it doesn’t even serve the other character well when you actually step back and consider what gives them the right.

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i love the constant use of "clowning" when talking about tommy coming back. this is the dead wife doppelgänger show. anything is possible. it's not necessarily likely, but it is possible!

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I think what frustrates me about the conversation surrounding Tommy in the begins episodes is that a lot of it is not being done in good faith and often time they exasterbate what Tommy said. For example many times I’ve seen them say he called Chimney the “Chinese delivery guy” yet he never called him Chinese. Same with Hen I often see them say he told Hen she’s a bitch and again that’s not what he said. I truly do think you can have your critics about Tommy’s actions in the begin episode (because we’re supposed as that is apart of showing his and larger part the 118s growth) however when you bring in or change what happened then you’re not doing it in good faith.Personally as a Black woman I do appreciate what they did with Tommy’s character in the begins episode and it’s why I really do like his character becuase I’ve known people like Tommy who have changed and grown. Fundamentally I do believe in people’s ability to grow as a person. I think the way his character has grown from who we met at the beginning of chimney begins to who he is now is the journey many people have gone on. As well it’s not lost on me that many of the loudest critics of Tommy have been exposed for racism or misogyny. Ain’t that something🤷🏾‍♀️

I think a major part of it is that there seems to be a direct correlation between the most toxic, bad faith takes, and not watching the show. That’s not unique to this fandom or anything but the age of TikTok misinformation has left us in a situation where people are incredibly confident in saying things they heard fourth hand as fact. Like I don’t think they even specify what kind of food they had just had in Chimney Begins but people have made it Chinese through the telephone game, same thing with Hen’s “New York Bitchiness” which as I recall is meant as a dig again both her and Sal, a detail that has gotten lost somewhere along the way.

Overall though the quibbling over the details kind of belies that the point of Tommy’s arc is that he has that 2000s level of casual misogyny and racism that gave rise to South Park as a cultural institution and slowly unlearns that by working with and ultimately befriending Hen and Chim. And now with his return we have this extra layer that the casual Boy’s Club bigotry was also a kind of defense mechanism and working with Hen seems to have also allowed him to confront his own sexuality and break up with Abby (btw I’d love a flashback episode where Tommy subtly questions Hen on how she Knew and if she ever tried with a boy etc etc etc and she gets a knowing look)

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LOUUUUUU FINALLY A GLIMPSE OF THIS LOVELY MAN!!!

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can’t believe there are people out there who deprive themselves of the joy of loving tommy kinard

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I just want y'all to know that right now Tommy is being an incredibly whiny bitch about the heat, he cannot stand it, he's suffering in their air conditioned living room. and Buck brings him an iced tea with ice cubes, wearing extremely skimpy shorts and a crop top. and he leans down to kiss him sweetly right there, sunglasses slipping from the top of his head over his eyes. "I'm horny," he whispers into tommy's ear, over the sound of the fan spinning and whirring above their heads. "how are you horny, it is a million degrees outside," tommy complains and buck shrugs, tongue out, grins. "does my misery turn you on?" tommy wants to know and buck drops to his knees and tommy's dick gives a faint twitch. "Maybe." Buck's mouth tastes like the lethally sugary blue ice cream he had earlier. Bit off blue stuck to the bottom of his lip. "You're my old man." Buck beams up at him, blinking innocently. "My grumpy old man." Tommy rolls his eyes. "Eight years older, babe. Not old" Buck hums, fingers hooking under the waistband of Tommy's shorts. "Please?" And yeah, no way does Tommy stand a chance.

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at some point, how you act in fandom spaces says how you act outside of fandom spaces and I hope never to meet you because the things you do are not okay

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"they don't know you!", "they like Buddie!" ok, so? what has them supposedly "liking buddie" achieved? i take bucktommy actually being a thing on screen over some transphobe irl making up a ship name for the horny fangirls he most likely despises for calling him gay. i take bucktommy on screen over the years long bait game of a thirty year old actor scared shitless of being disliked by the unhinged mob that he knows is his fanbase.

👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

Like, Buddies sent Oliver so much hate and so many threats that they literally ran him off Twitter, and they still think he likes them. Besties, he’s scared of you! He plays the “it goes wherever it goes” card because he knows he’ll get dogpiled if he says the wrong thing. Is it annoying as fuck? Yes. Does it make sense, despite being annoying as fuck? Also yes. I’ll take BuckTommy over that shitshow any day of the week.

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anyway. thinking about bucktommy at Ikea

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❤️WELCOME TO BUCK AND TOMMY'S WEDDING ❤️

You helped them plan their wedding via polls and here are the final results:

This is what their engagement rings look like (I guess you guys wanted them to match 😉)

This is what their wedding invitation looks like:

This is the color palette for their wedding:

This is their venue:

This is the suit Buck is going to wear:

This is the suit Tommy is going to wear:

Their wedding rings look like this:

This is what their table setting looks like:

This is what their cake looks like (minus the mrs), and apparently it has two different flavors because you guys couldn't decide 😉 The flavors are rich chocolate and raspberry and vanilla. It's kind of cool that the cake below actually looks like it has different kinds of cake in each layer!

They leave the wedding in a helicopter (obviously):

And they are honeymooning in Italy (because Tommy's got family there, duh):

Congrats to the Buckley-Kinards!

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Tbh I think the reason spn is more chill is cause the show ended like 5 yrs so like folks probably moved on but like I was a lurker while spn was still airing and not was it not fun to see tbh I think the reason 911 fandom is a shitstorm is normies joined fandoms during covid without learning any fandom etiquette and it shows and also the toxic spn fans migrated from there to 911 and it's shows but yeah 911 has honestly exhausted me like if I didn't follow a few bt accounts on twitter and didn't lurk on a few blogs here I would honestly have forgotten about his show NGL

But also yay another bt who likes destiel and vice versa cause let me tell you seeing accounts I was chill with whole I was a spn lurker just be absolutely shitty to bt and tommy mad a a bit sad and vice versa seeing bt drag destiel also was whoa like I was in the trenches but like between bd or destiel destiel had definitely more moments where it was obvious baiting bd though none hence why I laugh when bd compare themselves to destiel like that pop culture jeopardy bd question was left unanswered while the destiel one got answered quickly

Also like jenmish are more well known than OS and RG no shade to OS And jenmish and quite a few number of the cast are supportive of destiel the same cant be said for 911 but like I don't blame them for obvious reasons

Anyways sorry for the rant but yeah maybe I'll tuned in to season 9 maybe not

as someone who was VERY active in both the 911 and spn fandoms during their peaks, 911 is worse.

yes the spn fandom had its unhinged and toxic fans too, I won't deny that or pretend it didn't happen. hell they got so bad that Misha and Jensen stopped talking/doing con panels together because 99% of the questions they'd get would be about destiel or cockles, and it put a strain on their working relationship.

but as far as I can recall, there weren't CSA fics being put out (deliberately, intentionally, maliciously) trying to put non-destiel shippers "in their place". the two most popular ships in the fandom (destiel and wincest) were, for the most part, able to coexist. there were ship wars, of course, but I can't remember it ever getting to THIS level of cruelty. because it's not the subject of those fics that matter, its the fact that they're being written and posted misleadingly to intentionally and maliciously target unsuspecting BT shippers. (and yes I heard there were some targeted at BD shippers too, don't get your panties twisted).

the cruelty of this fandom is what makes it worse than spn.

and let's be honest here, spn queerbaited us from the minute Castiel appeared on screen. that's not an exaggeration. from the moment Castiel was introduced as a character, the show leaned hard into the potential for destiel, played it up at cons, deliberately wrote scenes that could very easily be interpreted as sexual/romantic tension. they deliberately paralleled destiel to canon pairings in their choice of staging, dialogue, lighting, etc. they gave us, in just Castiel's first two seasons, an entire arc of him turning his back on Heaven for Dean.

now compare that to BD, where they've got some parallels in the earlier seasons, and some wink wink nudge nudge "will they won't they" scenes, but those scenes were never allowed to linger. every time they got close to that line, they backed off. the "you wanna go for the title?" scene in season 4 is a fan favourite, but they forget that it's immediately undercut by jumping to a scene of B/E playing a video game with Chris. there's no continued tension, no longing. for a similar spn scene, we can look at Castiel's "you should show me some respect" scene in season 4, another fan favourite: that scene is written to linger. even after Castiel leaves, Dean is still visibly affected by it. there's still tension there.

the fact of the matter is, destiel is what BD wishes they could be. spn is a fifteen-year-long show with twelve years of blatant queerbaiting under it's belt. whether you ship it or not, the fact that it was a massive influence on the fandom sphere is undeniable. and, you know, there's the whole "destiel technically went canon" thing (which is a whole other post because if I get into that I'll be here all night).

as far as ship support, too: Misha Collins has been a vocal destiel shipper since season 5. a majority of the recurring cast ship it or are at least in open support of it, the show itself has had lines/references to destiel written into it that go undisputed (eg: "the one in the dirty trenchcoat who's in love with you [Dean]", "he [Castiel] was your [Dean's] boyfriend first", "you [Castiel] draped yourself in the flag of heaven but ultimately it was all about saving one human [Dean]", "he [Castiel] has a weakness, he likes you [Dean]", I could go on), and recently, Jensen has even come forward to state that one of his romantic songs was written about destiel. in comparison, OS has been neutral about BD, RG has been entirely against it (especially in recent years), and the rest of the cast are neutral at best, and show their support much more enthusiastically for the BT story.

all this to say, basically, all fandoms have their toxic fans, but 911 takes the cake for cruelty. it's also incredibly difficult to compare the shows themselves, as spn ran for fifteen years and is still a massively popular show (popular enough that they're currently doing a con tour to celebrate the show's 20th anniversary), and 911 has only been running for about eight, and has suffered potential cancellations twice in that timeframe. with spn the majority of the queerbait came from the show and actors themselves, whereas with 911 the "queerbait" (its shipbait, not queerbait) comes from independent unattached "journalists" who do not work for the show.

I do agree that the fandom got worse during/after covid, and I have no doubts that toxic stans from other fandoms have migrated here. but I will say the destiel bashing I've been seeing from BT circles is honestly a little pathetic, because if anyone should know that it's the shippers, not the ship, it SHOULD be BTs. but I digress. I wasn't a toxic stan then, I'm not one now, it doesn't matter. it's just more pointless needling and discourse where it doesn't need to exist.

this got very long and very rambly, I apologise. but SPN is my comfort show, and destiel has been my OTP for just about 16 years. I get defensive.

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all this for a ryan murphy fox show. lol.

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Since the 9-1-1 writers seem to be having trouble with it the last couple seasons, here are my suggestions for Hen storylines that don't involve the fact that her children are adopted:

Hen has to train a probie (or Eddie) and realizes that being really good at her job doesn't mean she's good at teaching it

Hen struggles with letting go of the captaincy because she realizes that Denny and Mara aren't going to be in grade school forever but she might never get the opportunity back. She decides she needs a hobby instead.

Hen becomes captain and struggles with being the boss of her friends when she has to order them to do something they don't want to do

Chimney becomes captain and Hen struggles with her friend being the boss of her because he has to order her to do something she doesn't want to do

Hen goes back to med school

Hen's mother has to move into assisted living

Hen joins a local concert band for fun and enrichment and starts playing the bassoon again

Hen gets involved in some HOA dispute and starts doing ridiculous things to her front yard out of spite (by which I mean brings Buck and Eddie over to landscape for her)

Hen finds the gay youth incomprehensible and has a moment about it

Mara gets a crush on a boy, and Hen and Karen have to call Buck and Maddie and ask them how boys work

Hen rebuilds Bobby like Frankenstein

Hen gets injured and her light duty is working at the academy. She gets to mentor other Black women who are joining the department and make sure they have a different experience than she did.

Hen ends up with a group of probie lesbian groupies and feels weird about the way they all idealize her

Karen loses her grant money but wait! There's something fishy going on here! Now Hen and Karen are the crime-solving couple.

This is just what I've come up with off the top of my head in the last 10 minutes btw. 9-1-1 writers please consider.

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and by the way i'm not even denying that some of the evidence is damning, i just think many of you are way too eager to jump at the chance to play fandom cop. it... unnerves me that you are writing up documents on people, and keeping all of this conversation locked up in your private discord server that only a select few have access to. and some of you will believe things you haven't even read and spread it around because you are eating up the drama. this isn't even really about the credibility of what's being claimed, it's about the methods behind what's being presented. now i'm gonna stop talking about this because i really don't know the ins and outs of who everybody is and what and where and why. i just hate all of this and find it abhorrent in more than one direction.

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Here's what all of this really boils down to, and the last thing I'll say on it:

If you don't like someone in a fandom, then block them. Don't interact with them. Remove others who interact with them even. That is a normal and appropriate response.

But to spend real, actual time essentially stalking someone and coming up with virtual red strings to connect them to something all so you can write an expose document and tumblr post? That's...unhealthy. It's concerning. Frankly, it's sad.

Even if you think your cause is just or that you're doing a service to the fandom, all it says to me--and I'm sure to many others--is to steer very far away from you; other than to spare a passing thought to pity you.

And of course if that's how you want to live your life go ahead. But maybe don't be surprised when you remain unfulfilled in the long run.

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some of y'all need to brush up on standards of proof and critical thinking