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I would love to see some empirical evidence as to where these characters actually were out of character. All you’re doing is defending your claim on theoretical statements because you haven’t read the comics (tRy UsiNg yOuR wOnDeRfUL rEaDiNg AbiLiTy) without actually saying anything. Like yeah if characters randomly change without explanation that’s bad. Where does that happen? Can you show me? Or are you just regurgitating that it’s bad from others and claiming OOC because you think that’s proof enough?

If you don’t like the comics then you don’t like them. If you don’t wanna read them then don’t read them. Don’t jump in trying to pull some analysis on them by weaseling your way around having no real experience with them. Just describing how a character can be OOC doesn’t bolster your argument. It just makes me aware that you can search up definitions on google.

Right. Because that's how story's work. When a plotline happens off screen that is amazinggggg writing. Absolutely great. I love it when characters randomly start acting entirely different to how they usually do! It's sooooo much fun!

Seriously? I haven't read much of the comics and I don't plan to since from what I have seen they're shit, I read the promise years ago and I tried to read imbalance before giving up on it (the only comic I enjoyed was Katara and the pirates silver), so I'm not even sure if this criticism is justified. However, that doesn't mean this defense is right. If a character grows or changes, show it on screen or give an explanation, if not it's bad writing. Simple.

This isn't the real world, it's fiction so while in real life they should change over that time, in a fictional setting they shouldn't grow off screen because you have to suspend your disbelief and be able to easily follow along. If a character randomly changes it disrupts this flow of the story and messes with the audience. If this happens on the comics (which again, I'm not saying it does) it's bad writing. Plain and simple.

If this seems salty it's because I am. I am genuinely so tired of this fandom, it can't handle any fucking criticism against this show or any of the related bloody comics. Please just accept that nothing is perfect (except Katara) and no piece of media is entirely great. I'm not saying you have to engage with the criticism, just acknowledge there is stuff to critique.

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I mean who has the weak rebuttal here?

You said you barely skimmed part of the comics and viewed a bunch of skewed takes by others (who probably also barely read them) to formulate your opinion here. That’s like going to a debate and saying “I purposefully kept my research to a minimum but I know I’m right!” Who in their right mind would do that?

A claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Gonna have to come up with some better arguments than that.

Right. Because that's how story's work. When a plotline happens off screen that is amazinggggg writing. Absolutely great. I love it when characters randomly start acting entirely different to how they usually do! It's sooooo much fun!

Seriously? I haven't read much of the comics and I don't plan to since from what I have seen they're shit, I read the promise years ago and I tried to read imbalance before giving up on it (the only comic I enjoyed was Katara and the pirates silver), so I'm not even sure if this criticism is justified. However, that doesn't mean this defense is right. If a character grows or changes, show it on screen or give an explanation, if not it's bad writing. Simple.

This isn't the real world, it's fiction so while in real life they should change over that time, in a fictional setting they shouldn't grow off screen because you have to suspend your disbelief and be able to easily follow along. If a character randomly changes it disrupts this flow of the story and messes with the audience. If this happens on the comics (which again, I'm not saying it does) it's bad writing. Plain and simple.

If this seems salty it's because I am. I am genuinely so tired of this fandom, it can't handle any fucking criticism against this show or any of the related bloody comics. Please just accept that nothing is perfect (except Katara) and no piece of media is entirely great. I'm not saying you have to engage with the criticism, just acknowledge there is stuff to critique.

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“This defense is weak as shit” they said with their weak as shit defense.

Right. Because that's how story's work. When a plotline happens off screen that is amazinggggg writing. Absolutely great. I love it when characters randomly start acting entirely different to how they usually do! It's sooooo much fun!

Seriously? I haven't read much of the comics and I don't plan to since from what I have seen they're shit, I read the promise years ago and I tried to read imbalance before giving up on it (the only comic I enjoyed was Katara and the pirates silver), so I'm not even sure if this criticism is justified. However, that doesn't mean this defense is right. If a character grows or changes, show it on screen or give an explanation, if not it's bad writing. Simple.

This isn't the real world, it's fiction so while in real life they should change over that time, in a fictional setting they shouldn't grow off screen because you have to suspend your disbelief and be able to easily follow along. If a character randomly changes it disrupts this flow of the story and messes with the audience. If this happens on the comics (which again, I'm not saying it does) it's bad writing. Plain and simple.

If this seems salty it's because I am. I am genuinely so tired of this fandom, it can't handle any fucking criticism against this show or any of the related bloody comics. Please just accept that nothing is perfect (except Katara) and no piece of media is entirely great. I'm not saying you have to engage with the criticism, just acknowledge there is stuff to critique.

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The comic I used was published before the episodes where Mai and Zuko are shown dating were even released.

Book 3 wasn’t even released until a week later.

So yeah I guess they somehow time traveled into the past to retcon, a.k.a. They just wrote that ship to be in the show because the characters grew together and liked each other.

Literally maiko in a nutshell:

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If you wanna bring up silly barely-known stuff that just states who liked who first and use it as some sort of fake “proof” of your point, here’s an entire comic of Zuko and Mai reconnecting before they start dating in Book 3

I think the key to having any critical thinking on a story is first actually fucking knowing the story

Literally maiko in a nutshell:

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Imagine thinking literally every relationship starts with two people having feelings for each other at exactly the same time lmao.

Just because one person likes another first doesn’t mean they’re incompatible or that the other liking them later is OOC. Just seems like you have the romantic awareness of a calculator.

Literally maiko in a nutshell:

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What about this photo proves anything on your behalf? Like honestly do you even know what you’re typing?

Literally maiko in a nutshell:

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TFW your head is so far up your headcanon’s ass that you think the source material that establishes the characters is somehow OOC.

Literally maiko in a nutshell:

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Bro said the comics sucked then said they didn't read them. So yeah, not much to see here.

Right. Because that's how story's work. When a plotline happens off screen that is amazinggggg writing. Absolutely great. I love it when characters randomly start acting entirely different to how they usually do! It's sooooo much fun!

Seriously? I haven't read much of the comics and I don't plan to since from what I have seen they're shit, I read the promise years ago and I tried to read imbalance before giving up on it (the only comic I enjoyed was Katara and the pirates silver), so I'm not even sure if this criticism is justified. However, that doesn't mean this defense is right. If a character grows or changes, show it on screen or give an explanation, if not it's bad writing. Simple.

This isn't the real world, it's fiction so while in real life they should change over that time, in a fictional setting they shouldn't grow off screen because you have to suspend your disbelief and be able to easily follow along. If a character randomly changes it disrupts this flow of the story and messes with the audience. If this happens on the comics (which again, I'm not saying it does) it's bad writing. Plain and simple.

If this seems salty it's because I am. I am genuinely so tired of this fandom, it can't handle any fucking criticism against this show or any of the related bloody comics. Please just accept that nothing is perfect (except Katara) and no piece of media is entirely great. I'm not saying you have to engage with the criticism, just acknowledge there is stuff to critique.

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I’m so tired of people interpreting that the comics and lok justified colonialism because of republic city. When like no, the FN doesn’t have any control of Republic City at the end of the comics. And just because the colonies are not part of Earth Kingdom either, doesn’t mean it’s pro colonialism.

Like did you guys suddenly forgot what happens with Hong Kong and how shitty the Chinese government treats it?

The extent of understanding of how the politics of the ATLA world work is so horrifically low. Actually anything that ties into real life administrative things is just massively overthought and misunderstood by a lot of fans.

The funniest part is that it’s pretty simple. As you said, the united Republic is its own thing by choice. The citizens wanted that, and they have equal footing in the world as the other 4 nations. Said citizens may exist as a result of former colonialism, but wanting their own say in their governance is kind of the opposite of pro-colonialism.

Don’t even get me started on how awful people misinterpret the police force lmao.

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Funny how the ever-perplexing Mai x Zuko fandom is saying they’re “worried about the story in Ashes of the Academy” when what they really mean is “if they don’t immediately get back together then this is the worst comic ever.”

Like just look at how much they were totally flabbergasted by their breakup being spurred by Mai’s growth and insistence on protecting herself versus pleasing someone else. They don’t care about the characters; they just care about ship aesthetics. It’s cut from the same cloth as Zutara nonsense, just with some canon backing.

And to be clear, I love the dynamics between these two and would love to see them get back together, but if the story doesn’t call for it, then it doesn’t need to be there. Stop basing your entire media criticism off of whether some specific detail happens. It’s tiring and detrimental to your own enjoyment.

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Sorry but Jin is just not interesting or present enough of a character for you to be saying she’s compatible with Zuko.

Like come on, stop pretending Zuko had any interest in that entire scenario. The most he learned from that entire segment was that he has the capacity to be nice and not worry about his duties sometimes: a concept reinforced both situationally and verbally by his actual love interest, Mai. Jin was dragging him along the whole time and leading the entire thing from a romantic perspective.

Jin is the least-interesting and most transparent self-insert for desperate Zuko Stans since…well, they removed all the interesting depth Katara had and tried to make her one.

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Do you truthfully not see any issues with this?

If they made a live action Legend of Korra adaptation Lin Beifong should be played by Sigourney Weaver and Kya should be played by Susan Sarandon.

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What people who believe that jinko could've been/is more interesting than maiko need to think about one thing, "Do you really think Jin would be better than Mai because she's Jin or is it because you can make jinko any trope since she's basically an npc?"

Because I really feel like it's more about "the grass is greener" than anything else. The human mind loves to think of "what ifs". And people can see anything they want in jinko since.. there really isn't anything in there.

Imagine if it was the opposite. If Jin was Zuko's developed and fleshed out romantic interest and Mai was just a one episode character. Would people not be saying "Man, Jin is really boring. It would've been so much cooler and more interesting if he ended up with that goth noble girl who throws knives. He had way more chemistry and potential with her."?

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Just wanna add on that the original “open” casting call for Toph was looking for someone who was preferably blind/vision impaired and also had experience in martial arts and/or dance (for fight choreo obviously). They picked an actress that meets neither of these (no shade towards her, not her fault).

So they likely put out this casting call to look like they were trying to be inclusive, only to pick someone already in the Hollywood machine (again, not the actress’s fault, no shade to her). The fact they went with someone who meets none of the requirements other than being “Asian enough” (she’s Japanese/Kazakh and Toph is mostly chinese-influenced) shows they weren’t actually interested.

Like you could’ve at least satisfied two of those three qualifications. You couldn’t find a blind Chinese actress? It’s not like these fight scenes require any skill anyway since they’re all CGI.

The way this show fakes being about proper representation is insulting. Even the new animated movie from Bryke went through the effort to cast both race and ability-accurate acting despite the actors not physically appearing on screen. Do better. The “close enough” mindset doesn’t cut it.

Oh, you wanted more bad news out of NATLA that shows that they have no idea what they’re doing?

Well, look no further!

Here’s them acting like they care about representation for blind/low vision actors and then just casting someone who isn’t anyway:

Here’s their very detailed analysis of the purpose of the show going into the second season:

Wow that’s crazy that the live action show is going to have live action versions of the story in the animation! Very insightful! What else is there to say?

Wait, there were brilliant plans from Sokka in Book 1 of NATLA? Katara was actually in Book 1 too? I thought that was just a cardboard cutout of her in the background of some shots!

In all seriousness, what the actual fuck is going on here? “Aang will learn a new form of bending or two” yeah only because you literally had more screen time than the original did and spent all that time shoving in random references to prove you saw the old show while completely butchering the characters and story to the point where you couldn’t fit Aang learning waterbending in. What a fucking joke.

And the slide of “there’s no war in Ba Sing Se” in here just to do the same thing? Are we really just using out of context quotes from the original show to prove credibility in adaptation here? Is that really the extent they can go to say they honor the original? Are they so incapable of coming up with new, interesting details to add that they’re just resorting to putting memorable quotes in places where they make no sense? Guess we know these new showrunners will stay consistent with the original one.

Why in God’s name is anyone looking forward to this. Please please please let this nightmare end.

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As if any of these characters are even developed or interesting enough on their own merits to justify getting into romantic arcs.

Kinda goes to show how much shippers do NOT care about the actual characters and just look at aesthetics and broad, Wikipedia description-level characteristics to self-insert versus actually viewing the compatibility of the characters. They’ll take a show like NATLA that does the absolute bare minimum to somewhat match the aesthetics of the original characters and that’s enough for them to not notice that they’re being butchered.

Oh, you wanted more bad news out of NATLA that shows that they have no idea what they’re doing?

Well, look no further!

Here’s them acting like they care about representation for blind/low vision actors and then just casting someone who isn’t anyway:

Here’s their very detailed analysis of the purpose of the show going into the second season:

Wow that’s crazy that the live action show is going to have live action versions of the story in the animation! Very insightful! What else is there to say?

Wait, there were brilliant plans from Sokka in Book 1 of NATLA? Katara was actually in Book 1 too? I thought that was just a cardboard cutout of her in the background of some shots!

In all seriousness, what the actual fuck is going on here? “Aang will learn a new form of bending or two” yeah only because you literally had more screen time than the original did and spent all that time shoving in random references to prove you saw the old show while completely butchering the characters and story to the point where you couldn’t fit Aang learning waterbending in. What a fucking joke.

And the slide of “there’s no war in Ba Sing Se” in here just to do the same thing? Are we really just using out of context quotes from the original show to prove credibility in adaptation here? Is that really the extent they can go to say they honor the original? Are they so incapable of coming up with new, interesting details to add that they’re just resorting to putting memorable quotes in places where they make no sense? Guess we know these new showrunners will stay consistent with the original one.

Why in God’s name is anyone looking forward to this. Please please please let this nightmare end.

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Oh, you wanted more bad news out of NATLA that shows that they have no idea what they’re doing?

Well, look no further!

Here’s them acting like they care about representation for blind/low vision actors and then just casting someone who isn’t anyway:

Here’s their very detailed analysis of the purpose of the show going into the second season:

Wow that’s crazy that the live action show is going to have live action versions of the story in the animation! Very insightful! What else is there to say?

Wait, there were brilliant plans from Sokka in Book 1 of NATLA? Katara was actually in Book 1 too? I thought that was just a cardboard cutout of her in the background of some shots!

In all seriousness, what the actual fuck is going on here? “Aang will learn a new form of bending or two” yeah only because you literally had more screen time than the original did and spent all that time shoving in random references to prove you saw the old show while completely butchering the characters and story to the point where you couldn’t fit Aang learning waterbending in. What a fucking joke.

And the slide of “there’s no war in Ba Sing Se” in here just to do the same thing? Are we really just using out of context quotes from the original show to prove credibility in adaptation here? Is that really the extent they can go to say they honor the original? Are they so incapable of coming up with new, interesting details to add that they’re just resorting to putting memorable quotes in places where they make no sense? Guess we know these new showrunners will stay consistent with the original one.

Why in God’s name is anyone looking forward to this. Please please please let this nightmare end.