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The Trident by Jason Kang

Rhaegar had put his hand on Jaime’s shoulder. “When this battle’s done I mean to call a council. Changes will be made. I meant to do it long ago, but … well, it does no good to speak of roads not taken. We shall talk when I return.”

Those were the last words Rhaegar Targaryen ever spoke to him. Outside the gates an army had assembled, whilst another descended on the Trident. So the Prince of Dragonstone mounted up and donned his tall black helm, and rode forth to his doom.

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Why do I hate Rhaegar Targaryen?

Why do I hate Rhaegar x Lyanna?!

Why do I dislike 90% of the Targaryens?

Let’s get this fuck started!

Lyanna x Rhaegar was not Romeo and Juliet, was not Bonnie and Clyde, it wasn’t even fucking TWILIGHT. It was an older married man manipulating a young teenage girl to running away with him, abandoning his wife and two children to his insane pyromaniac father and disrespecting/Creating an act of war to the Baratheon, Martell and Stark house.

You cannot just annul A marriage that was consummated and declare them bastards, no it does not work out like that by the rules of Westeros. Rhaegar’s marriage to Lyanna in the show is nothing but that, for show. The marriage is still illegitimate and on the topic of things illegitimate:

JON SNOW IS NOT THE HEIR TO THE IRON THRONE

The Targaryen dynasty is over and dead, they have no right to the throne. And if you want to use the logic that they were Kings before, than everyone else should get the crowns back. The Starks were Kings before the Targaryens rolled into town, as were other families. So if The Targaryens deserve the throne because they were kings before, than so do the other houses.

Robert was King, and when he was King he made Ned Stark protector of the realm until his own son would come of age, but as we all know Robert had no legitimate children. So that means the crown goes one of two ways

The crown gets passed down to one of his illegitimate children that would be legitimized. So in the books it would go to: Gendry Waters, or Mya Stone, or Edric Storm. while in the show: Gendry Waters. They are the only true blood of Robert’s left.

It would go to one of the Starks: in theory since Ned Stark was technically King at that point, and if the realm would not recognize a bastard as king, then it would have to go to one of the Stark children when Ned passed. His only surviving legitimate children at this point in the show is Bran, Sansa and Arya, but Bran can’t have kids so the crown would have to go to Sansa. If Sansa passed on the crown, then it must go to Arya. Yes you may make your fan fictions off that.

Even if you want to ignore the fact that the Targaryens have no right to the Crown and ignore the fact that people were kings before them, Jon still has no right to the throne. Dany was the daughter to the last king, and her brother, Prince Rhaegar’s children are dead thanks to him and so is he. So at that moment Viserys was next in line and he made his heir in case he had no children, Dany.

A secret child born out of a secret marriage that went against all laws of the land, that was scribed by more than likely bias Septon, Who we all know can be corrupt, (Pycelle as one example) hidden in the North to the Lord of Winterfell under the title of his bastard , i’m pretty sure just by reading that alone no one would think he has a claim, which he doesn’t.

The Targaryens should not rule anything, they literally came over as conquerors and killed thousands, and threatening the land with pretty much the equivalent of nuclear bombs. If you would like an example: Picture Donald Trump and his children Taking over America and claiming themselves the kings and queens of that land and whoever fought against them would be blown the fuck up.

The Targaryens are The Pilgrims who took over the Native American lands, they are inbreeding imperialists, and yes, there was some good members of the family but holy shit their entire dynasty is built out of fear. Their house motto is:

Fire and Blood

Danny’s entire claim to the throne is wanting to claim the power and rights her family use to hold while denying the crimes they did, ignoring history, and refusing to acknowledge the rights and power that anyone else had besides her family.

Robert’s Rebellion was built on a lie

Facts:

The Mad King killed Brandon Stark and Rickard Stark in cold blood.

The Mad King asked for the heads of Robert Baratheon and Eddard Stark

Jon Arryn raised the banners against The Mad King and to finally stop the madness.

D&D don’t know what continuity and Consistent writing means

Elia Martell

ELIA MARTEL WAS A PRINCESS OF DORNE, she was young herself and she almost died to give Prince fuck boy two kids back to bask even though everyone said it was bad for her health, not wanting to have the prophecy of the three headed dragon he was obsessed about not come true, he abounded his wife and went for the Young Lyanna Stark instead. I don’t want to hear any of that prophecy bullshit that the prince of douche bags. He was selfish and cruel. The least he could have done was help smuggle HIS WIFE and HIS CHILDREN away from his insane father.

No, Elia Martell was left as a political hostage, lived almost a year alone, mistreated, and eventually she would watch her children be brutally tortured and murdered in front of her eyes and then be Brutally raped by their murder and then murdered herself.

Elia Martell was raped and murdered because of the Targaryens.

Tywin gave the sentence, the Mountain swung the sword, but the Targaryens are the ones that put them in that situation.

In summary:

There should be no Targaryens restoration, no more silver haired Kings and Queens. No more blood and fire.

Give the rightful and deserving houses their crowns back and let them rule the realm in a democratic sense.

No more conquerors

Edit:

Rhaegar loved Lyanna and she loved him

Well fuck me gently with a chainsaw, look at that! They even look alike and are framed to look alike.

Sansa “loved” Joffrey. He was the handsome crowned prince to his, in her opinion, unattractive father, he was kind, smart, heroic and would make an amazing king one day.

Who does that sound like?

Every single Rhaegar Stan in and out of Universe

Funny thing about looking at something out of context in history, you can mistake someone’s Wrong judgment of being young and impressionable as love.

Lyanna would not of been okay with Elia Martell and her children being disowned and abounded.

Lyanna would not of been okay with her father and brother being killed by a Mad King.

Lyanna would not of been okay being locked up in a tower in a strange land while thousands died because of her mistake and dying alone in a tower.

Lyanna was taken agaisnt her will and died ashamed, scared, and begging for forgiveness.

Fuck that noise of the Wolf and the Dragon

Ship Dany x Jon if you have to, but get that Rhaegar loved Lyanna and she loved him shit out my face and my dash.

PS: any of my followers who like Dany x Jon, please take none of this personal. I love all of you and know the difference between reality and fictional characters

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Every girl in the Seven Kingdoms dreamed of him, but he was mine by oath. And when I finally saw him on our wedding day in the Sept of Baelor, lean and fierce and black-bearded, it was the happiest moment of my life. Then that night he crawled on top of me, stinking of wine and did what he did, what little he could do, and whispered in my ear, “Lyanna.” Your sister was a corpse and I was a living girl and he loved her more than me.

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I’m literally cackling rn

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Remember who you are, what you were made to be. Remember your words.

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Robert’s Rebelion: Cool Drawings of ASOIAF Characters by Fabio Sanches

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Stannis Baratheon was only 18 when Lord Mace Tyrell descended on Storm’s End with the Reach’s host, and Lord Paxter Redwyne took the Redwyne fleet of the Arbor and closed Shipbreaker Bay to all trade. Stannis successfully held against the siege of Storm’s End for almost a year, with the garrison having to eat their horses, dogs and cats, and were nearly forced to eat their own dead, until the siege was lifted by Lord Eddard Stark.

Garrett Hedlund as young Stannis Baratheon.

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Friendly reminders that Robert Baratheon

did not go to war for Lyanna Stark’s pussy. He went to war because Aerys demanded the heads of himself, Ned and Jon after killing his best friend’s father and brother unlawfully and cruelly. He was done with this mad asshole. He did nothing to start war when Lyanna was kidnapped. 

was strong, handsome and a fearsome fighter. Was just generally fucking amazing. 

made people love him instead of hate or fear him. He would make friends of his enemies instead of imprisoning them or y’know, burning them alive. This is what true rulers do. 

trusted his friends and people who worked for him. He let Ned go on ahead to take the Throne for him and he trusted Jon Arryn to be wiser than he was.

told his Maester to attend Barristan Selmy, despite the fact that Robert himself was so grievously wounded he couldn’t travel to take the Throne and Barristan had fought on the other side: the side of Rhaegar who he apparently hated ‘beyond reason’. Sounds like it, huh? 

never actually wanted power. He had no want to be the King but he was the only one who started the rebellion and the one everyone wanted to take the Crown. He hated his reign and yet, it was an amazingly peaceful time for the Realm. He just wanted the realm safe from the Targaryen’s tyranny. 

Hating the Throne turned him bitter, to a drunk who had no time for his wife or children, and who could be abusive towards them and servants. He wasn’t a bad guy at all, and he wasn’t some insane love-sick asshole either. Power corrupted him, ruling turned him cruel and careless.

Robert Baratheon was amazing, thank you. 

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As a little belated birthday present to myself I found time to finish this little guy: Lyonel Baratheon, the Laughing Storm was head of house Baratheon at the time of the tales of Dunk and Egg, and was one of the other participants at the Tourney at Ashford. He was known to break into gales of laughter as he fought his enemies down, beating them into submission with axe and sword. As Dunk was faced with his Trail of Seven, Lyonel came to his aid and stood as one of his Champins in his struggle for vindication. A total badass :D

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A Song of Ice and Fire + Troubled Birds

Ned

Catelyn

Robb

Arya

Sansa

Petyr

Robert 

Stannis

Renly 

Loras

Margaery 

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Now you know, the crow said as it sat on his shoulder, now you know why you must live.

Why? Bran said, not understanding

Because winter is coming

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“Hello? Yes, this whale looks very suspicious. I think he may be trying to get inside a part of the sea that’s not his. Just come quickly.”

So now white people are calling the cops on whales, SMH.

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Do you think that because of how much the Ryswells and Dustins hate the Starks, Ned should have trusted William and Mark? House Ryswell and House Dustin are the first to declare for the Boltons. It seems odd how William and Mark go from being among the most loyal and trusted of Ned to their houses being the most hateful and hellbent on destroying Ned/the Starks. If there really is a Stark restoration (not that I think that's happening), their houses will survive or even should survive to rule?

It is far from accurate to claim that Houses Ryswell and Dustin hate the Starks or are hellbent on destroying them. It is Barbey Dustin that has a personal grudge against Ned (and his father Rickard) but we have no reason to believe that her feelings were shared widely across the two houses or are indicative of some historical animosity that should have been taken into account by Ned. Ned named both Willam Dustin and Mark Ryswell friends and I’d be hard pressed to argue that he was mistaken or that he should not have trusted them when both died in defense of their lord and his sister, and when both probably shared personal relationships with Brandon Stark (Willam was his foster brother and Mark belonged to a house that routinely hosted the heir to Winterfell). Willam Dustin insisted on joining Robert’s Rebellion himself despite Barbrey begging him not to, something that she ascribes solely to his pride but I attribute also to his loyalty and connection to the Starks. I see now reason to devalue the sacrifice of good men when we have no evidence to doubt their sincerity or loyalty.

Regardless, I don’t think that the Ryswells or the Dustins harbor a special animosity towards the Starks. Barbrey isn’t even a Dustin by blood so I find it hard to speak of her as a source of information about how the Dustins feel when we are yet to meet a single Dustin. It is true that the house declared for the Boltons but I don’t think it’s the enthusiastic agreement of its members that the broad declaration of “the Dustins hate the Starks��� imply. House Dustin declared for the Boltons because its current ruling lady did, and it seems like its main ruling branch was extinguished by Willam’s death allowing Barbrey to rule instead. As for the Ryswells, Rodrik Ryswell was sure very welcoming to Brandon at one point and while that was tinged by self-interest, feudal politics unavoidably color personal relationships with a degree of self-interest in most cases. Even the most loyal of the Stark bannermen are still playing the political game and looking for favors so that’s not a knock on the Ryswells in and of itself. Furthermore, I didn’t get any strong feelings from either of Barbrey’s brother wrt the Starks and it sure sounded like their siding with the Boltons was simply a matter of their interests currently lying with them rather than any strong negative feelings towards the Starks. So perhaps they might not be particularly loyal but I don’t think they are particularly hateful either. They certainly have no forgotten the Freys’ involvement in the Red Wedding and that they lost people there. They are just going with where the current wind blows and that happens to be with the Boltons right now (which I predict will change because I also don’t think the Ryswells are all that loyal to Roose either and definitely not to Ramsay. The upcoming showdown with Stannis should see a lot of shifting loyalties as the pro-Stark northmen defect and turn on the Boltons and Freys. I suspect the Ryswells and Barbrey will follow suit).

That said, I really don’t think it’s a coincidence that there is a force of northmen that Roose left behind in the Riverlands whose whereabouts are currently unknown, a force that just happens to include spearmen from the Rills and men from House Stout which is sworn to House Dustin, under the command of Ronnel Stout who shares an undetermined relation to Harwood Stout who hosted Roose Bolton in Barbrey’s name. Those men should have a role at one point.

Lastly…

If there really is a Stark restoration (not that I think that’s happening), their houses will survive or even should survive to rule?   

Oh, a Stark restoration is happening. Even if we put aside all the foreshadowing in the Starklings’ arcs that points straight to Winterfell, we still have the North remembers and the fact that Jojen dreamed that “the wolves will come again”. The very history of the North and of the Starks’ role in the fight against the Others demands that a Stark hold Winterfell during the War for the Dawn. Winterfell was built as an engine to fight the Others and we continually hear that there must always be a Stark in Winterfell, all while the Starks historically take on the mantle of being both protectors and providers for their people. Gosh, even Tyrion knows that the Lord of Winterfell would always be a Stark. Also, consider what he says of Winterfell’s godswood.

He remembered their godswood; the tall sentinels armored in their grey-green needles, the great oaks, the hawthorn and ash and soldier pines, and at the center the heart tree standing like some pale giant frozen in time. He could almost smell the place, earthy and brooding, the smell of centuries, and he remembered how dark the wood had been even by day. That wood was Winterfell. It was the north. I never felt so out of place as I did when I walked there, so much an unwelcome intruder. He wondered if the Greyjoys would feel it too. The castle might well be theirs, but never that godswood. Not in a year, or ten, or fifty.    

Now Bran.

The stone is strong, Bran told himself, the roots of the trees go deep, and under the ground the Kings of Winter sit their thrones. So long as those remained, Winterfell remained

A castle built by a Stark for the specific purpose of fighting the Others with a name that denotes their downfall and whose survival Bran directly ties to the Kings of Winter. A godswood that has been pretty much described as the heart of the entire North and that offers access to the weirwood network of greenseers, the last of whom is a Stark (whose face and voice were carried through the heart tree in both dreams and reality). A house whose entire existence is intrinsically tied to the magical war and to the survival of the North, to safety and order in the North according to the Liddle that meets Bran and co. That’s too much history and symbolism that necessitate a Stark restoration. It is happening. The story demands it.

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Fun facts about Catelyn (inspired by the Sansa thread going on):

-knew every servant in Winterfell

-played with mud and swam in rivers as a kid

-holds tight to many memories of her home land, like how Masha Heddle served her and her father at the inn

-took time out of her day to bond with Sansa and brush her hair

-fought off an assassin’s blade (made of the world’s sharpest metal) with her bare hands to protect her son

-outsmarted Tyrion

-knows women can rule as well as men

-saved Brienne and sympathizes with her plight

-takes pride in being a Tully of Riverrun and takes strength in her heritage despite living in a place that doesn’t always hold Southroners in high regard

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RE: Sansa’s agency in TWOW and Jeyne’s lack of agency

It’s no secret identity is a prominent theme in ASOIAF - from “the Kingslayer!” ‘Jaime, he thought, my name is Jaime.’ to ‘Sandor Clegane is at rest/The Hound is dead.’: whether they’re alive, under a psuedonym, completely rejecting their identity - George writes about it.

An extremely deliberate contrast in Dance is the minuscule amount of agency possessed by Jeyne Poole.  It doesn’t matter if Jeyne was as pretty as Sansa, she was a steward’s daughter - where Sansa is awaiting the right moment to reveal herself to the right person, Jeyne doesn’t get such a moment.   It’s the end of her world: as she lies there, she thinks, this is how I die.  No one is coming for Jeyne Poole.  Theon was her least likely escape, and he knows it, too:

Talk like that will get you killed, or worse. That lesson he had learned as Reek. “You are the real Arya, my lady. Arya of House Stark, Lord Eddard’s daughter, heir to Winterfell.” Her name, she had to know her name. “Arya Underfoot. Your sister used to call you Arya Horseface.”

“It was me made up that name. Her face was long and horsey. Mine isn’t. I was pretty.” Tears spilled from her eyes at last. “I was never beautiful like Sansa, but they all said I was pretty. Does Lord Ramsay think I am pretty?”

I was never beautiful like Sansa, but they all said I was pretty. Jeyne’s words seemed to echo in his head, to the beat of the drums two of Abel’s other girls were pounding. Another one had pulled Little Walder Frey up onto the table to teach him how to dance. All the men were laughing. “Leave me be,” said Theon.

Sansa has spent the beginning of her politically formative years being held hostage by her identity, and it takes her losing her identity to be able to start reclaiming it.  These arcs revolve - identity is very important to these three characters for very different reasons.  You have to remember your name.

If Sansa is rescued again, whether by Jaime, Brienne, or Sandor, it undercuts and cheapens her ascent to becoming politically savvy.  

In fact, Sansa is in a very peculiar position, indeed: she is stationed in the land that her father grew up, with the people he had fought beside, learned beside, thrived beside.  People that hold an intense respect for Ned Stark.  And what’s funny is, George has already written a scene, exactly like this, where a hardened woman, who has become exceedingly apt in Southron politics, calls bannermen and friends of her father to arms, requesting their support:

“And is Lady Whent a true and honest friend to my father, Lord Hoster Tully of Riverrun?“ “She is,” the man replied stoutly.

“The red stallion was ever a welcome sight in Riverrun,” she said to the trio by the fire. “My father counts Jonos Bracken among his oldest and most loyal bannermen.“ 

Catelyn V in AGOT is almost a perfect mirror of what we can expect of Sansa in TWOW.  We have already seen Sansa practice excellent reasoning skills, and commit heraldry to memory - in fact, we’ve seen this since Sansa’s very first AGOT chapter:

Sansa knew the name, and now the courtesies that Septa Mordane had taught her over the years came back to her. "The Lord Commander of the Kingsguard,” she said, “and councillor to Robert our king and to Aerys Targaryen before him. The honor is mine, good knight. Even in the far north, the singers praise the deeds of Barristan the Bold.”

“I can answer,” Sansa said quickly, to quell her prince’s anger. She smiled at the green knight. “Your helmet bears golden antlers, my lord. The stag is the sigil of the royal House. King Robert has two brothers. By your extreme youth, you can only be Renly Baratheon, Lord of Storm’s End and councillor to the king, and so I name you." 

And she’s already catching on to Littlefinger’s schemes in AFFC:

”… Lord Nestor’s claim to the Gates will suddenly be called into question. I promise you, that is not lost on him. It was clever of you to see it. Though no more than I’d expect of mine own daughter.“"Thank you.” She felt absurdly proud for puzzling it out, but confused as well.

Her eyes widened. “He is not Lady Waynwood’s heir. He’s Robert’s heir. If Robert were to die …”

If Sansa can puzzle together Littlefinger isn’t her friend, that her father grew up in these lands, if she begins to piece all of these things together with the political aptitude we’ve already seen her demonstrate…. She’s going to shed the skin of Alayne Stone, flapping her black leather wings to the north, calling upon the men who rode with her father, who trained with him, who ate with him, ready to return to the north. (not to mention when she eventually finds out what happened to Jeyne, where the lashes and scars came from, when she hears from a certain only friend of hers who betrayed her father…)

Where Theon remembered his name finally in saving Jeyne, and where Jeyne had no choice but to forget her name, Sansa stands to use hers as a very powerful tool in going home.

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mance rayder in winterfell (adwd)

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asoiaf & got characters // pt. II - Rhaegar Targaryen

“As a young boy, the Prince of Dragonstone was bookish to a fault. He was reading so early that men said Queen Rhaella must have swallowed some books and a candle whilst he was in her womb. Rhaegar took no interest in the play of other children. Until one day Prince Rhaegar found something in his scrolls that changed him. No one knows what it might have been, only that the boy suddenly appeared early one morning in the yard as the knights were donning their steel. He walked up to Ser Willem Darry, the master-at-arms, and said, ‘I will require sword and armor. It seems I must be a warrior.‘”