applestrikez

[applestrikez]

who should DIE to give applestrike murder trauma

from youngest to oldest:

IVYSTRIPE: youngest warrior. no apprentice or listed family

FROSTCLOUD: mentor of a character i really like. which could equally add or detract to the appeal of killing him

HAILPELT: mentor of an unremarkable character. might be littermates with frostcloud idk

whoever is chosen will Receive personality and relationships and stuff to make them a real person. which isnt very helpful in trying to actually choose who dies i know

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I'VE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT. APPLESTRIKE'S KILL COUNT. ive never stated her killing anyone but redstar or meadowmist (it switches every so often who i think she kills). it could be cool if the first and last person she kills is redfoot, but..... she was his apprentice. ive made it pretty clear she has a ruthless reputation. i honestly dotn know if she could get away with not killing anyone as redstars apprentice. he would absolutely encourage that at some point.

i think applestrike needs to kill One cat before redfoot. it needs to utterly haunt her. she needs to think about it when redfoot struggles against her.

timeline-wise, i dont think she could kill someone before what happened with gingerleap. she was Trying to seriously injure him in that fight and i dont think she would do that if she'd already watched someone die at her paws. so it happens after. it happens while lightningheart is in thnderclan. lightningpaw. applepaw kills someone when shes an apprentice.

the next big event battle i have around that time is thunderclan taking over shadowclan. it could absolutely happen there. applescar and lightningheart get their warrior names after that battle. applescar gets her warrior name for killing someone.

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applestrike isnt a savior born pure of heart with a wish to free everyone from oppression. she's traumatized and angry and desperate and she thinks whats happening is wrong, yes, but from the start she's always been traumatized and angry and desperate

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i think it might be kind of fun for applestrike to have a massive fuck up right at the triumphant end of her rebellion arc, ive been trying to figure out what to do with redstar and meadowmist. from day 1 of this plot they were meant to die in classic bad guy fashion and im still generally leaning that way. sometimes im like but what about the ethics and morals of killing oh nooo and then i remember im not required to teach anyone anything in my warriors oc story. this story is built for my own political venting and i can kill the tyrants if i want. but regardless redstar is still a leader with multiple lives. close to 9 if not the full 9. so killing him once in your epic final battle isnt enough and i dont feel like pulling a scourge. right now i like the idea of applestrike forcing him to rescind his position and him giving in to that magically makes his lives go away and then she kills him

but i think it would be cool. if making him give up his leadership was supposed to be the only thing they did. like thunderclan came to the decision that thats how he should be dealt with. and maybe they were still deciding if he should be exiled or not. thunderclan is dealing with a change of power and their new leader and deputy are trying to pick up the pieces and find the best way to move forward, how can we avoid becoming redstar's thunderclan again? how do we usher in peace without letting the other clans walk all over us in revenge? etcetera. but during that period of redstar being redfoot again and on camp arrest or something applestrike just fucking murders him. shes lost hope for thunderclan after they offered her the deputy position and she doesnt think theyll ever truly be incapable of becoming Redstar's ThunderClan again. thunderclan doesnt know what theyre doing. none of the clans know what theyre doing. applestrike has to do this herself again. shes also incredibly fueled by grief for her father and brothers, grief for the childhood she lost as redstars apprentice, grief for the pain lightningheart endured because he couldnt bear to be without her. so she murders him. either it happens pretty straightforward and the clan is horrified, or she's pretty easily able to claim he tried to finish her off and she only defended herself. either way shes done something terrible- the clan sees her dishonorably kill, or she knowingly lies to cover up her dishonorable kill

this veers back to moral-of-the-story and a "killing is bad" statement but idk. its cool. its not applestrike being the good moral protagonist putting an end to the war. its applestrike doing something horrible.

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for me the best way to drive home how fucking reverent i am of applestrike and how i want her to be seen is that i put battle against a true hero on her playlist. i made applestrike a plot-armored tank that cannot be killed or silenced in any way. she becomes a solemn headstrong unstoppable force. i have so heavily mythologized her in my own feelings i want her to be so epic and impactful. she is going to save the world

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I think we should write more straight relationships with 2010s TV queerbait tactics. Let that man and that woman's lives be horribly intertwined, let them take bullets for the other, let them be each other's meaning but NO KISSING. They are holding each other platonically. You're crazy for reading anything romantic into it at all tbh

[applestrikez]

hollyfang and thrushleaf's current timeline is

holly gets sick as a tiny baby and is abandoned by his mother. hes found by another cat who takes him to a twolegplace colony

thrush is another little baby found alone but as a more cognizant little child than 1-moon kit like holly. thrush is definitely totally a boy dont worry about it. thrush is very interested in medicine and tells holly things and they are besties. holly said thrush was pretty like a molly once and thrush never stopped thinking about it but dont worry about it

holly and thrush get increasingly curious about the world outside their colony and eventually decide to leave together. their family and colony support them enthusiastically and miss them dearly

thrush and holly find windclan. they have a standardly not great introduction until meadowmist declares that these are Special Teens sent to windclan and we simply must bring them in and shower them with love and acceptance and also he wants to train the nervous vulnerable looking one as his apprentice

hollypaw is learning lots of cool things like how to wrap limbs with comfrey and what happens after you die and what god wants you to do to preserve your good standing with your warrior ancestors and get into heaven. thrushpaw is learning cool things like how to defend windclans glorious territory from treacherous outsiders and that you should really avoid that sagepaw, she isnt even a real apprentice and she just keeps to herself because she knows she doesnt belong here. hollypaw learns important things like how the other clans would have ignored starclans will and left him and his sibling to die but meadowmist has a special connection to starclan and he could tell from the start that they were special and no one else would have seen it so starclan sent you to meadowmist. and that you should really make sure you pay attention to your mentor and do what he says because even in windclan there are cats that dont see that you and thrushpaw are special and meadowmist is the only one who can keep you safe because hes the healer and they have to listen to him too. thrushpaw learns interesting things like how you really prefer to train and go on patrols with berryclaw and woolstripe and foxpaw more than, say, deermask or lizardpaw or- oh all the cats you feel the most comfortable with are mollies? wow what a weird coincidence. its not like you dislike toms- hollypaw is still your best friend even though hes really busy with important healer stuff- you only really "dislike" cats who are mean to you for not being clanborn. but you dont dislike anyone of course, you wouldnt want to cause any problems with the clan who so generously took you in! you wouldnt want to get in anyones way or make anyone annoyed or upset or be an inconvenience because maybe you want to be pretty like a molly to everyone else too but you dont want to bother the clan with adjusting the way they talk to you and getting used to yet another new thing from the rogues they took in and and and

i got. so carried away with that section and i cant properly line up this them-joining-as-kids timeline with applestrikes timeline. so have this. i love thrushleaf a lot if that wasnt clear

[applestrikez]

i can maybe go back on my "holly and thrush join windlcan as adults" change so that they have more like. screen time. in theory. and if meadowmist has control over hollyfang from childhood it would make more sense how badly stuck he and thrushleaf are

i have some age differences written down Somewhere but i have no idea where i might be. all i know is applestrike and sagespeckle are the same age bc i said it in a fic and committed it to canon. iirc hollyfang is the oldest WAIT I THINK I MADE AN AGE QUESTION IN A UQUIZ HOLD UP

HEH?

WHAT THE HELLLLLL. i refuse actually. that doesnt make any sense. lightningheart can be younger than applestrike idc but hollyfangs dad is mega old. its a whole thing. hollyfang CANNOT be the youngest im changing that. hes the oldest.

the age gaps on these guys are like two moons or less btw. theyre all very close in age. but even in this close in age world applestrike and sagespeckle are Basically the same age and lightningheart can be a little younger sure. hollyfang should be on the More side of older though. thrushleaf can be lightninghearts age. and cedarflame who i never talk about is like a moon younger than sagespeckle

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the things that Absolutely Need To Happen:

applestrikes main injuries. face scar neck scar and fuckign Skinned leg. leg should definitely stay where it is in the plot but in theory the eye injury could happen some other way. i think the neck has cemented itself in time/cause and become important. technically the timing could change.

i think her mom should stay pre-dead. it woudl be way too much to fit in her mom dying on screen. applepaw needs to be already bitter and fragile for any of this to work

apple-lightning friendship arc is good i think. any changes should be made around it to make it fit more as-is

amberstrike lightfall and sandtalon dying👍

subsequent applescar meltdown and subsubsequent lightningheart meltdown

applescar sagespeckle friendship + applestrike name change

hollyfang forced betrayal moment. the car part could change. maybe i try to find a better cause for applestrikes leg injury

redstar smokemist moment + camp exploding into chaos moment. the message passing is kind of cumbersome but i dont know how to make it any better

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evrytime i think enough about The Timeline for my warriors stuff im like fuuuuckk i know this needs so much fixing and adjusting nothing makes any sense. redstars too damn young. too young to be a reasonable deputy pick in the first place and DEFINITELY too young to have the mentoring history i say he has. but i made his parents first and i care about them so i dont want them dead and i guess they can just be Even older than they already are. spottedshadow deserves to be a bajillion years old i love them. they actually dont have any listed mate at all im pretty sure their litter was a product of me shifting things around and the other parent just getting lost to the retcon void crossfire

the consequences of reworking the same story over and over for like 8 years is everything gets so overcomplicated and intertwined but you get attached to old concepts that dot fit anymore with your new changes and you wanna Make them work but they wont or you just force it and let it be clunky/live in denial

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literally the only art i have of smokemist is this hella old thing. theyre on the far left

^smokemist, frigidflight, redstar, darkpelt, and leafstorm. smokemist is the healer, frigidflight and darkpelt are warriors, ad leafstorm was made deputy when redstar started gaining more power. he replaced the previous deputy with his sister so he could basically just not even have a real deputy and do whatever

frigidflight was supposed to have some fire accident that burned her face but i have no idea where that would even fit in tbh. especially if i want her to look like that in the middle of all this plot. i guess it could be a thing that already happened. also an excuse to have some more pre-dead cats bc i have so many parents that got bumped out of actually existing in the plot but who i already have appearances and personality and relationships and history with each other. where are applestrike's paternal grandparents? The Fire got em

[applestrikez]

fun fact the single action that kicks off the entire final battle for eots is redstar hitting the clan healer who is also his littermate and then siccing his guard on them in front of the whole camp.

the please-help-we-need-your-warriors message that gets passed to the other clans is "redstar attacked his own healer and littermate." everyone loves smokemist do not fuck with smokemist

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the eminem lyrics plaguing me btw

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since their plot spans from the equivalent of like mid/late teens to adulthood applestrike and lightninghert's relationship gets to go from "oh yay i have a one true best friend forever who will always care for and be there for me :]" to "fuck. oh fuck. this shit is bad this is so bad. how did we get like this" jokes on you you were like this the whole time!!!!!!

[applestrikez]

yeah

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had an incredible and horribly painful idea. lightningheart leaves his clan and joins applestrikes because his mentor almost killed her. so he chose sides and picked his friend. abandoned the home and father hed found in skyclan because applestrike was more important to him. and then when applestrike is exiled to windclan hes exiled soon after her, but from the clans entirely. he cant go find applestrike, windclan will be aggressive to him, and he cant go to any of the other clans because of his involvement with thunderclan. so hes cut off from the home he was trying to regain and only friend hes ever had and he doesnt even know if shes okay or alive. so kind of a shit deal the whole time for him. he also suggested running away together but applestrike didnt want to abandon her family and she still truly loved and had hope for her clan. they didnt run away so they kept enduring the horrors and applestrikes family died anyway and they got exiled and separated. but while lightningheart falls apart alone outside the territories applestrike gradually improves and makes friends and connections in windclan. she also learns and is processing that her and lightningheart were not in a good place depending so heavily on each other and no one else. she starts out doing really bad but applestrike is beginning a Healing Journey while lightningheart falls deeper and deeper into pain and obsessive paranoia about applestrike. and the next time they even see each other is big finale battle shit so they cant Talk yet and when they finally do its clear theyre on completely different pages now. applestrike has friends now. lightningheart is struggling to connect with the one he ever had now. he is freaking out. they have tenseness and disagreements now. lightningheart feels utterly betrayed and abandoned and now i get to have a "i gave you everything!" "i didnt ASK you for that!" moment

[applestrikez]

ehehehe. ehehehehehehehehehe. ehehehehehe