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BTW, Peni also features in:

Spider-Verse (2019) #3/6, in which she fights a Kraven with Miles Morales, and we see a version of Mr. Sinister (Nathan Essex here) who seems to be building her Sinister Six to try to kill the Parker family.

Spider-Verse Unlimited Infinity Comic (on Marvel Unlimited app) #7-14. Admittedly based more on ITSV, but still has a few character bits (Her Mom died at her birth and her Dad died the DAY before he planned to retire from being SP//dr to really be her father, as a big one)

And one chapter of Spider-Man: Stories from the Spider-Verse (October 2023 book) that has her face VEN#m in an alternate dimension where she wasn’t born but her mother was.

Yes, I’m aware of how many wildly different variations on Peni Parker there are that go little-to-nowhere, and I wish there would be a Le Mort d’Arthur-style rebuild/recompilation of her from the ground up that eventually builds into an ongoing or a mini run.

(I’d say “Ultimate”, but the 2000s Ultimate Universe made a good deal of changes from the original 616 whereas I’d attempt to expand upon and embrace the source material, and the 2020s Ultimate Universe goes BUCK WILD with changes)

Are we ever gonna talk about how ATSV has the most SUBPAR representation of POC girls.

The three young POC girls are all written extremely flatly or poorly.

Margo is all but ignored by the movies. All other teens get full intros. All of them, EXCEPT Margo. Ben Reilly, a joke character, gets more lines than her, despite her being more important to the plot.

Peni is often stereotyped and boiled down to the 'Japanese magical girl' trope - to the point it effects her art style.

Gayatri hardly gets any lines. Her scene and plot line is good but like Margo, she's written to be a footnote in her make counterparts story (Gayatri to Pavitr, and Margo to Miles)

Then the other two POC women are relegated to mother roles.

Like.... There are no fully-fleshed out black women in the entirety of the series. Am I tripping? Am I forgetting someone?

The only POC woman that is completely fleshed out is Rio and that's because she's Miles literal mom.

There isn't a single POC girl that gets reoccurring lines and doesn't tie directly to a boy character.

We've never seen a universe of a POC Spiderwoman. When it comes to Jess and Margo we know basically nothing about their backgrounds.

It bothers be so much. That's why it bothers me when people hate on FlowerByte. Like.. that's what youre mad about? Not the fact that an entire gender of POC people are erased/watered down in both movies??? Really????

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Do it

What about i make a Peni focused universe that includes Mile and Gwen and a story and many evangelion references even thoguh i only read the fist 3 volumes

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Real talk: how long do you take posting chapters on fanfic? Cause part of me is like “oh it’ll be fine if I take a couple months cause life- out of all people AO3 understands.”

But then I wonder if I severely overestimate the attention span of current fans in the wake of instant gratification and consumerism.

My fandom brothers! Doth ye still wait years for a fic chapter update? Is there hope for a long winded scribe?

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I know the exact source of the first part of this (2024 ARCA race at Daytona). Where did you get the quote from?

*Hobie driving a car he just hot wired his getaway car*

Hobie: "Just so you know, I put my foot down to the floor, and I’m not lifting it until I either see God or a checkered flag."

*in the backseats*

Peni and Pavitr: "Hell yeah!"

Gwen, putting on her seat belt: "Don’t encourage him"

Miles, in the front seat gripping on for dear life: "HOBIE PLEASE AT LEAST DRIVE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD-"

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Okay. Good points. I never said George didn’t screw up. Or that the NYPD isn’t bad. Idk, I guess Gwen’s just forgiving and wants to mend things ASAP cuz… well, she still wants to have her dad.

“Her voice shakes. His hand does not.” I AM A FUCKING WRECK. GEORGE STACY, WHEN I CATCH YOU. WHEN I GET YOU. WHEN I GET MY FUCKING HANDS ON YOU, GEORGE STACY.

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Do y’all keep forgetting that the dude QUITS for Gwen? Like, yes, he made a mistake, and it was a mistake, but as far as he knew, Gwen had been the woman he thinks killed Peter Parker, who was like a son/nephew to him, and had been hiding a secret identity from him for God knows how long. Yes, he screwed up in not trusting his daughter not to be a killer, but I don’t think he was 100% thinking logically after Gwen revealed herself. He’s not an asshole, he’s just a dude who had a choice between his job and his daughter suddenly forced upon him. In the heat of the moment, he chose wrong, and next time he saw her, he chose right. Like, are people not allowed second chances?

“Her voice shakes. His hand does not.” I AM A FUCKING WRECK. GEORGE STACY, WHEN I CATCH YOU. WHEN I GET YOU. WHEN I GET MY FUCKING HANDS ON YOU, GEORGE STACY.

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this is how their first meeting went and you cannot convince me otherwise

(I felt like silly spider sketches, tho I'm still figuring out how to draw them. ID in alt.)

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Due to what little on-screen interactions we see between Noir Peter (Pete) and Peni in ITSV, it's no surprise that a lot of people have agreed upon the popular fanon of them being a sort of father-daughter duo (or, for those who subscribe a bit more to Pete being younger due to the comics, a sibling-like relationship). It's cute so I support it, but it got me thinking about the two in comparison to eachother, specifically in terms of corrupt systems and how they're handled in their stories. I think the two have a bit more a contrast than just the surface level stuff, so let's look into it!

(Essay + comic panel evidence beneath the cut)

From the very start of Peni's (unfortunately short) comics, she's shown as very resigned to her fate - when brought in to discuss her father and her future "career" in the SP//DR program, she's upfront and blunt; My father is dead, and I'm the only one who can replace him, so I will. It's a foregone conclusion, and one she doesn't shy away from.

Furthermore, even though we see how, throughout the comics, she's basically given no life beyond her work, and even her school hours are eaten into, she's told again and again that all of this cost means something.

She has to sacrifice everything, because there's no other choice. Her own Guardians, her Uncle Ben and Aunt May, work for the very organization that her father did, and persist to remind her of the importance of the job, even if they do try to remind her that she can't handle this alone. Very telling, when faced with threats to the multiverse, she briefly asks her Uncle Ben if she should stay with him, only for him to tell her to go.

Duty calls.

This isn't the point of this, but of course she joined Spider HQ and went along with what Miguel was telling her - she's grown up surrounded by very like-minded, sacrifice-willing adults. Of course she has to do this. What other option is there?

On the other end, Pete is quite the opposite of Peni's story. Yes, 100%, like all Spiderpeople, there's the element of responsibility, that looming recognition that not doing what you can gets people hurt, but while Peni's story is set up so that she's fighting for her system of authority, Pete is unsurprisingly against his. At any point that he can, even pre-spiderbite, he's picking fights and trying to fix things. He's so set in his beliefs and outspoken that he makes his own mentor question his actions, constantly in pursuit of a better world.

It's the responsibility of the people to give a shit, and Pete cares so much that it drives him a bit mad, I think.

Where Peni is told that this is the way things work, Pete is demanding that it change, asking questions. Peni was raised to accept her responsibility, whereas Pete was raised to fight against the expected status quo.

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THEIR RESPECTIVE BENS.

I'll try keeping this fragment of a thought short because we're already clocking in 6 paragraphs pre-edits and I need to feed the dogs their dinner soon, but the TLDR is that Uncle Ben is the last surviving legal Guardian of Peni, and though distant, he tries his best to support her while she's in the SP//DR program. Pete's Uncle Ben is, by no such surprise, dead, but specifically, he was a WWI veteran, decorated but guilty.

Uncle Ben is, in the Noir comics, yet another symbol of how doing what you're told can haunt you. He was very vocally against the war machine he was a part of, while Peni's Ben has known nothing else but his work.

This is how completely dead opposite they are in so many regards. They contrast eachother!! It's really interesting! Honestly, I could see Pete getting into an argument with Peni's Ben over how she's been treated, even if it probably wouldn't go well. He cares too much to keep his mouth shut, often.

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Reblogging for @canary-song’s tags

thinking about the potential for mech pilot body horror/dysmorphia. seeing something high above you or farther away than you can easily traverse with your own body and feeling a rush of vertigo, as though you should be able to reach out and touch it, or clear the distance in a single stride. after so long spent inside the mech that it's become like an extension of yourself, it can be difficult to adjust to being human again.

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Edge of Spider-Verse (2014) #4

i need help finding the name of a spiderman comic!

when i was 12 (2016) i read a spiderman graphic novel that was a collection of alternate universe spidermen. In this one spiderman was peterparker. He lived with an abusive uncle ben, across from mary jane and her loving family. He gets bitten by a radioactive spider, and grows extra arms and legs and stuff. he kills uncle ben, and kidnaps animals and people, wrapping them up and draining their blood like a real spider. at the end he bites mary jane on the neck, and the next morning he she wakes up and baby spiders run out of her neck.

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About Canon Events:

I have some things to say about the Canon Events in Across the Spider-Verse:

(Edited because this got flagged as mature for some reason)

1. How on every Earth was Peter B. Parker on Miguel’s side regarding Miles at any point? Like… the dude said that the reason he stopped being a pizza hobo, got back together with MJ, and had Mayday is an anomaly who shouldn’t have been Spider-Man. And if Miles wasn’t Spider-Man, Peter and him don’t meet (or at least don’t stay together long) and Peter just stays his loser self. Or… desurvivalizes. And doesn’t have a family. I’d get it if Peter was like “look, I’ve personally seen screwed up stuff when Canon breaks, but I’m just trying to figure stuff out for myself since my world apparently broke Canon when we met and is still fine, so something’s a miss”, but he doesn’t do that.

2. The model Christopher Miller put on twitter makes even less sense.

If this model of the multiverse as a web with lines representing realities intersecting at nodes representing Canon Events is to be taken as correct, then…

1. Only a finite number of realities must go through each Canon Event, not every reality as Miguel claims.

2. Each reality must go through exactly two Canon Events, not all of them as Miguel claims.

This “Web” doesn’t even align with Miguel’s claim that all Spiders must go through all Canon Events. That’s not even a Web, that’s a bundle of cables.

3. The morality of the Spider-Verse trilogy is dictated ENTIRELY by how the rules of the multiverse work.

Look, every Spider is a hero, even Miguel. The reason the Spider-Society is against Miles trying to save his father is because they think it will wreck his universe and the entire multiverse, and the only reason Miles thinks it won’t is because he thinks he can “do both”. You’d want to root for Miles, but you need to know what happens if Miles saves his father to see who’s right in this. If nothing bad happens, Miles is right and the right thing to do is save his father and the multiverse. If something bad happens (that can’t be fixed), Miguel is right, Miles can’t and shouldn’t save his father, the Spider-Verse trilogy and it’s hypetrain end with a confirmation that Miles shouldn’t be Spider-Man, and Miles probably has like 3 months tops before he gets fridged/retconned in comics. And just for the record, if the choice is ABSOLUTELY between saving one person and an entire world, Spider-Man will save the entire world. Just ask Insomniac Spider-Man, who let his Aunt May… desurvivalize… so they could work out the antiserum to Devil’s Breath. Once we know how canon works for real, the moral dilemma becomes resolved immediately, and this feels like it could be a weak point.

4. We don’t know enough to confirm or debunk Canon yet.

Okay, yes, we know that Earths 65, 616, 1610, and 42 are all intact despite their Canon being broken in a number of ways, and that’s enough to motivate people into taking action against Miguel, but…

On Earth-50101, after Miles saves Inspector Singh and the quantum hole opens up, the Spider-Society IMMEDIATELY moves to contain it, knowing exactly what it is. And back on Earth-928, Miguel confirms that, if nothing else, THIS is something the Society has dealt with before to varying degrees of success, and Miguel correlates the quantum holes with Canon violations. This indicates that, if nothing else, there is some correlation between the Canon, quantum holes, and perhaps the Spot, since you can see a darkness encroaching upon Earth-50101’s Alchemax before Miles saves Singh and maybe even before Spot gets his power boost (I only saw it once in the theaters). This lead to:

5. What IS the case with Canon?

No idea. You could say that it can only be people within a specific reality who can affect that reality, but that doesn’t explain how Dr. Ohnn stopped Miles Morales of Earth-42 from being but without repercussion. It’s possible that Spot caused Canon retroactively (as in, somehow overheard talk of it, realized it was BS, but decided “Hey, why not try to make this true to be a jerk to Spider-Men”), but time travel is a can of worms, tense trouble, and Internet fights BTSV may want to steer clear front. They might even go with the comics’ Spider-Totem route for all anyone knows.

6. For that matter, how can Miguel predict anything to any degree of accuracy? There are thousands of realities with equally many variables. Being able to predict ANY Canon Event shouldn’t be possible by the mathematical laws of probability.

I may add onto this later, but my point is that Across the Spider-Verse makes its audience ask a LOT of questions that Beyond the Spider-Verse needs to answer to be satisfying.

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Peni Parker Animation Test by Spencer Wan

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Regarding Peni’s Traumatic Canon Event

Fun fact, in ATSV, we see that Venom is one of Miguel’s Canon Events. Thus, it’s entirely possible that Peni’s tragic encounter with VEN#m is that Canon Event, not the “Captain” event.

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This just gets better the more you look at it. I personally love Spider-Cat being on the Zoom with only half of his face showing. Cute little boi.

10 spidey engineers vs one (1) bug, who wins?

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YES! +1

Putting this out before people starting forgetting about Peni for a year again, but I decided to write up what is basically a 1,000 word rant disguised as an article about Peni Parker and how Marvel has done absolutely nothing with her despite her proven popularity. Please read it!

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Having watched Across the Spider-Verse last Thursday, I have thoughts (SPOILERS ABOUND)

1. This looks amazing in every possible way. Although I sincerely hope this becomes a springboard for animation and VFX guilds to gain the powers the WGA has. Animators deserve so much more credit and respect, especially in Japan (where entry-level animators get $2 per drawing. Which takes over an hour). Also, I would not object to Beyond’s being delayed.

2. The soundtrack… doesn’t stand out as much as Into’s. I don’t know if it’s time, but there’s no “WHAT’S UP DANGER!” or Prowler’s Theme equivalent to me. Although I might need to take more time listening.

3. I have to say that… CANON THEORY IS COMPLETE BS. I get the meta-commentary and I’m all for it, but…

I feel like making it into a possible aspect of the multiverse is just… bad/weird world-building. From an in-universe perspective, the concept is so absurd that it’s surprising that Miguel’s Spider-Society lasted so long. Canon Theory could be debunked over the span of a conversation. I could write a dissertation (hyperbole) about everything wrong with it. If I get around to writing my own Spider-Verse story, I am not following this.

4. I stan Peni’s new more-comics-accurate mech design and the Gurren Lagann affectation she’s taken at the end. Although I wish she’d gotten a bit more time to explain how she jumped from this

to this so quickly

5. As for why Peni looked so miserable in the “intervention”: It’s probably due to her “Canon Events”, which I will explain in a different post. Her comics are fairly… grim. Also, I know it’s partially just having to tell Miles his father needs to die (incidentally, recreating HER tragic origin story), but you can tell it’s also the Spider life and “Canon”. Aside from the eye bags, you can tell a bit more from the eye shape, which used to be:

TVTropes.com can explain this better than I can, but these are called Tsurime (sharper, straight/slanted) and Tareme (softer, round/drooping), and they mean different things. As an example, here’s Homura Akemi from Puella Magi Madoka Magica before and after having to shoot Madoka (her friend/lover) to stop her from becoming a monster (long story).

Also, shoutouts to @enzo-is-tired and ononotsu on Twitter for furthering Gurren Lagann!Peni

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They always understood the assignment, we just didn’t get it.

So I had a massive realization about Peni Parker after watching ATSV. Originally many were mad that she was super different in her movie debut which I get going from her clear Eva inspiration to just being anime.

When she briefly appears in “Across” she looks more accurate. (just being depressed)

A lot would think that she’s now gonna stay like this to fix their error but if you get to the end of the film…

Her smile and drive restored. Why is that? 

Cause they were never trying to make her Eva, she was based on Gurren Lagann the whole time. Her jacket being made up of Simon color scheme. She even LITERALLY wears it on her sleeve. 

Look at the mech when you put them side by side. But this isn’t even the kicker…

She’s doing the iconic Gainax pose at the end of the film. On top of her mech with something loose to epically flow in the wind. *chefs kiss*  Yes she’s crossing her arms I went frame by frame.

The reason I like this is cause in mecha the protag always goes through depressing stuff. That’s what Eva is built around. So by taking her in that direction she’s now a love letter to genre, Eva being included in there rather than purely being an homage. 

Also with this knowledge the Spot looking kinda similar all of a sudden…

Wait it’s all Gurren Lagann? Always has been. With that in mind you know that that means when they meet him soon.

TL;DR: Peni was a reference to Gurren Lagann the whole time which is just a love letter to everything mecha. 

THEY UNDERSTOOD THE ASSIGNMENT SO HARD, WE JUST DIDN’T GET IT.