#you point that out to people who voted for trump and they'll still deny it or tell you this is just a movie not

[sexytummyache]

People who yell at other people to vote a certain way OR ELSE are not doing their point any favors. And honestly it speaks to a certain type of privilege and over-generalizing.

For one thing, the amount your vote matters depends on location. Maybe you live somewhere that your vote is actually worth something but my vote wasn't counted in the 2016 election (problems with an absentee ballot) and it didn't impact anything because Hillary still won in Cook County, Illinois. She was always going to. (Luckily the local elections actually went the way I was intending to vote).

When I lived in Iowa, I did feel like my vote mattered but that's not the case anymore.

Additionally, the Democrats have undermined voter faith in the democratic process in the past two elections by strategically undermining Bernie's campaign. You can say whatever you want about whether he would have won or not, but you can't deny the fact that the democratic party worked harder to beat Bernie than they did to beat Trump.

Finally, during every election since the turn of the millennium, people have been pulling the "vote third party next election. This time you just have to grin and bare it" about Bush, then Romney, then Trump. There's no long term strategy. Voting third party has the potential to actually alter the future because a third party candidate winning 5% of votes will get federal funding in the next election and force the Democrats to actually get with the times.

A lot of people are dedicated to voting Democrat because they're worried if they don't they'll be responsible for the actions of a hyper-rich imperial leader, but you are not responsible for something that you have minimal agency to impact on the first place. And yes, that varies by what state and county you live in like everything else. I for one am no longer interested in acting out of fear of doing the wrong thing when I could be acting out of a desire to do the right thing.

I don't judge any leftist for how they have decided to vote or not vote in this election. I have my ideas about the best option and maybe I'm wrong. I think it's more important to vote for the local positions anyways. And I'm happy to hear someone's reasoning for why they think I should instead vote blue. But when you just yell and demean the moral integrity of people who are trying just as hard as you are to make the right choice this fall, you are being an ineffective asshole. You are creating division in the movement and I think that's worse than not voting.

And no this is not tone policing because democratic voter is not a marginalized class.

[sennakoshiba]

Thanks for the links, replying in numbered bullet-points, one for each link:

1) Yeah, that sucks and is indicative of her being a bog-standard politician. But, again, it's not worse than the other option.

2) I'm gonna be saying, "this sucks" a lot, because it does. However, her goal isn't to throw asylum seekers in cages (even if Obama and Biden did that, it isn't their stated goal, like Trump's). Immigration is a topic that she's losing on, based on a pool of voters that actually intend to vote. If we showed the dems what we want via these surveys, that we're the majority, we can get the slimy fuckers to pander to us. There's voting with your dollars and then there's just regular voting.

3) I just read this one this morning! As was said earlier; she still supports trans people, but is pandering to those that are actually willing to vote, leaving us with lukewarm words. Again, that's better than a nigh inhuman bastard that wnats trans people legislated out of existence.

4) The article cites an interview with her talking about her, "denying care to trans inmates" when in reality it was people under her/ her responsibilities as a lawyer. She says that she had to take part the case even though the stance she was arguing went against her beliefs. I don't care for lawyers and I could never personally relate, but that was what that was. But WOW who the fuck are, "America's trans bourgeoisie"?? Maybe back in the 1980's like the article suggests, but I do not know a single trans person that makes bourgeoisie money.

Additionally, the article you gave me also argues plenty for voting for Kamala:

While the article slaps in other ways (talking about the fucked up state of affairs with US officials having meetings at Israel's torture prisons), it fails to completely address the fact that; Trump will be worse for the US.

They also make a bunch of claims about trans bourgeoisie and liberals trying to shrink the trans population without a single source, so 🤷‍♀️

5) Like I've said, she's reaching across the aisle to get more moderate or right-leaning people, because they'll actually vote. Why pander to the kids that won't vote that're too left leaning? Then you lose the right-of-center, the centrists, and left-of center voters. It's a sick, awful numbers game that we need to change, as the two-party system is a fucking joke.

We don't win by letting Trump (who is OBJECTIVELY WORSE than Kamala) be president again. I'll protest as much as it takes, but I think we'll get further under her than the guy that unleashed unmarked secret police forces on protestors, essentially kidnapping them.

Lovely how libs has spent a year going "yeah well Harris is gonna back and fund a genocide but at least she will stand by trans people in the US" just for her to come out as not giving a shit about trans rights lol