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alastoridiot-meta · 6 months

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I CANNOT let this continue to be the false narrative throughout the fandom so let’s just talk about Alastor and whether he will be redeemed.

The simple answer I have to this is… absolutely. Like what do you think the message of this show IS.

Alastor is a charming and likable character. He’s edgy and soft and rigid in all the right ways for fandom to take and hold onto him. Viv has said before, along with what is shown in the show, that he tends to have a weird and sort of warped morality.

On one hand, he has no problem threatening Husk, torturing overlords, and overall being a nuisance to every powerful male character that he comes in contact with.

But on the other hand, he believes in being able to control YOUR OWN fate, as said in his fight with Adam “you should know more than anyone what a soul can do when they take charge of their own fate”, implying control over one’s personhood, destiny, and general LIFE. In fact, it’s this sentence that just speaks to so many of Alastor’s true ideals in consent and soul contracts. Like yes he owns huskers soul and maybe nifty’s, but husk only furthers my own agenda of “Alastor targets people with power”, for one reason or another, those people are overlords. HE EVEN IMPLIES IN STAYED GONE THAT HIS TRUE INTENTIONS ARE DISTURBING SYSTEMS OF POWER, GOING AGAINST THE STATUS QUO.

And i know it’s wordplay for destroying the Vee’s, but with the combined evidence of: the Vee’s being the main metaphors for exploitation and taking AWAY control over one’s fate, along with heaven and what the hotel stands for, this makes perfect sense as to WHY he joined the hotel in the first place. Because it’s not for entertainment, and I highly doubt it’s any sort of power. This, along with the previous weird obsession with Lucifer and destroying overlords in general, his friendship with an overlord who values the people she employs to such an extent that Charlie still has to WIN THEM OVER… it just goes against everything the fandom would LIKE to say/think about Alastor.

So I guess what I’m getting at here is that the fandom is acting like Alastor is this big bad villain guy with absolutely no redeeming qualities to build off of, people are acting like defying powerful systems is NOT at all a redeeming quality that Charlie can’t build off of or use to make him gain other qualities.

Not only this, but with Mimzy and his entire relationship with her, how he just lets her walk into his life knowing that she brings trouble and he only banishes her when she proves once again that she brings trouble… like, I’m sorry but it just feels like people actively ignore these things because they’re looking for logical morality systems. Even people who know that this is an aspect of his character, tend to lack the capacity to understand that Alastor can and IS very contradictory.

He CAN own husks soul and make deals with people in exchange for goods or favors, while also disliking the idea of a soul not having independence and/or charge of their own fates. It’s contradictory. It’s supposed to be.

And I guess it’s this that always makes me confused when there’s fanart of a redeemed/angelic Alastor that is FILLED with comments like “I’m sorry but Alastor will never be redeemed” “it’s impossible for his redemption” “cool art but it’ll never happen”, GUYS.

WHAT. IS. THE. MESSAGE. OF. THE. SHOW.

It’s FORGIVENESS. It’s CHANGE. The entire fight in heaven is literally the angels spewing the same rhetoric when talking about Angel, but of course the show has to take baby steps to say that yes, everyone deserves redemption. Everyone deserves the right to change. Everyone can change. Everyone WILL CHANGE.

Alastor already believes in redemption, I know that based off of his conversation with Adam ALONE. What makes you think he can’t work towards it? Even if that’s not now, don’t you think a person would try anything to escape a contract? It’s probably the main motivation for Angel at all.

And I just. I guess I don’t understand how people could be watching and believing in a message about change and forgiveness, while simultaneously refusing to see that a character like Alastor could change. Abusers can change. They should change. If not for themselves, then to stop the abuse they instill in the people around them.

#alastor #alastor hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel #hazbin alastor #hazbin angel dust #hazbin adam #I tagged them because they’re kind of relavent to this post #anyway the misunderstanding of his character is insane it makes me want to kms #to me I guess I feel it’s obvious but it’s so. annoying. it’s really really annoying.#because people just want to see a bad character that just likes to be bad and there’s nothing else to it #when even in that interpretation there’s so many contradictions to that #‘why does he want power? why to want power of course!’#do you guys just want the mustache twirling trope #be honest #anyway I’m raw dogging this post I didn’t even re read it so hopefully it’s legible

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esosage · 2 months

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Saw a post about a sonic venom au that inspired me to to post about my own stobotnik venom au, so here it is:

(Also fair warning, i dont know shit about venom, so if anything doesnt make sense for the venom cannon, blame that.)

So for the au, robotnik is going to be the symbiote, and stone is going to be the host. (Maybe like carnage and his host, but only for the fact that carnages host is a criminal.)

Stone is a serial killer in this au, but is very charasmatic. Allowing him to gain a a very die hard following of people who think he's innocent, despite being thrown in jail. (Something that will come in later.)

Maybe he got caught by sonic and shadow, which are bassically the eddie and venom of this universe. (Shadow being venom, and sonic being eddie) maybe he was a past government agent, or someone famous, doesnt matter. Hes in jail regardless.

Now this is where robotnik comes in, and where my lack of knowledge of venom might bite me in the ass. So, robotniks backstory is that he's sent down from the symbiote planet to terreform earth into something they can conquer. (The person that sent him being black doom, since robotnik and shadow are both symbiotes in this, and since black doom is already an alien.) Since he's sent down to terreform it ive come up with some symbiote abilities for him that i think fit into that nicely (and because i dont know shit about symbiotes, lol.) Since robotnik useses, well, robotics in the cannon universe, in this one he has kinda a similar ability. He can make his harden into a kind of crystal like substance, and sprout crystals out of himself. He can plant his crystals into other things to take them over, but he can only transform so many things, and, since hes a lot more solid than the other symbiotes, once he is in a host completly hes stuck in them. Meaning no leaving to posses other stuff. He has to use his crystals if he wants to posses something.

How he terriforms a planet, is by takeing off some of the crystals he sprouts and turning them into a fine dust. He sprinkles this dust around an area, and repeatedly does this until eventually the area has been completly transformed. Once its transformed, it will grow its own crystals and he can harvest those to make more dust. Which speeds up the terriforming process. So when he starts the process, he's easy to stop, since its so slow, but once hes gotten a solid foothold its a lot harder since hes much more quicker with it.

Im thinking how the symbiotes found earth is from humans takeing and reaserching symbiotes that they found in space. (Which is how i think they found them in the first venom movie, though i could be wrong.) Regardless, because of this, robotnik was sent down with a main host already in mind. Due to some shennanigens involving sonic, robotnik doesnt get that main host, and instead, posseses stone by accident.

The two bicker a bit at first, (with stone being reasonablly alarmed that some weird ah alien entered his body,) but, they eventually decide that they both could benefit from this. Stone thinking robotnik could help him get out of jail, and make killing people far easier. And robotnik thinking that stone's charisma could be put to good use in hiding his plans to terriform earth.

I think at first the two reluctently work together, planning to betray eachother by the end of their partnership, but eventually go attached to one another. Realising that they actually like eachother quite a bit.

For stone, this manifests as him slowly becomeing more devoted to robotnik as time goes on. Before he met robotnik, the only person be served was really himself. Yes, he followed orders and didnt go too out of line, but all of it really was for his own self interests.

But, now that stones met robotnik, he cant help but be ennamored by how brilliant the alien is. He is unlike anything stone has ever seen before, litterally. So naturally, his ennamourment and aw eventually turns into blind loyalty. Sure, he agreed with the alien that the world would be better teraformed so that robotnik would be none the wiser when he betrays him, but now he's genuinlly starting to concider it. And in the future, he genuinlly belives it.

Essentially, as he continues to work with robotnik over time, he goes from a self serving, charasmatic serial killer, to the stone we see in the movies. Loyal to a defult.

So, obviously, he doesnt like how robotniks home world treats him. He doesnt like how robotniks home world treats ivo like a tool, because in his mind, robotnik is far better than them. So this leads him to slowly start to convince robotnik to break off from his home world, saying that the doctor could do far better than them. Infact, he could probobly rule the world on his own. And while robotnik initially shuts stone down on it, the seeds are planted, and with the amount of attention and adoration stone is giving him, its hard not to belive.

On his symbiote planet, hes a weapon with a purpose, a cog in the machine.. but with stone? Oh with stone he feels like much, much more. And that feeling is intoxicating.

Leading the two to shift goals a bit.

But before i get to that, i wanna cover how they are in the beggining when they first team up.

So, stone and robotnik are obviously the villains in this story, but, where they differ is that their not viewed as villains. This is where stone's charisma comes in. Useing very adept trickery, stone manages to find a way to paint himself as the goodguy at the end of every fight with sonic and shadow. Wether thats by tricking them into harming civilians, saving people, pretending to be stopping them from hurting people in public, or doing all his dustruction away from watchfull eyes while leading sonic and shadow to destroy things while people are watching, he manages to convince people that he and robotnik are the good guys here regardless.

Robotnik hates it obviously, hates helping people, hates dealing with them in general, and would much rather eat them, but he puts up with it. Mainly, because it helps a LOT in disguising his plan to terreform the world. That, and stone does all the talking most of the time.

This creates a dynamic between the two of them where stone is the face, and robotniks the brains/brawn. The two of them collaborating to plan out their moves very carefully.

Obviously enlisting some fall back plans for themselves so they can eventually betray the other in the end, but on the surface their working together regardless.

I think they would go for as big of plans as they will later. Their mainly trying to throw suspition off of robotniks plan at this moment. And they dont enlist help from others too often, since they dont want other people to ruin the image they have carefully cultivated up until now, and because robotnik has trust issues.

But, things begin to shake up a bit when stone starts to slowly be ennamored by robotnik, with it really kicking in when they have their first area teraformed. Because thats when stone goes from useing robotniks plan as a temporary means to an end, to actually beliving in the plan and wanting to help.

This starts out with stone makeing connections, and renewing old ones. Leading him to gain more power outside of his subtle manipulation of sonic and shadows image in the public eye.

Hes expanding his roots into different industrys, so he can funnel more resources to robotnik, so the doctor can expand their plan.

Meanwhile, robotnik, while getting absolutely bored from things takeing so long, starts to look into more human customs. He deems most as dumb and stupid, until he stumbles upon robotics. He's absolutely taken by it, and his mind goes absolutely wild. He learns everything he can about it, whenever he can. Eventually, stone notices his obssession with it, and starts buying books about mechanics, mathmatics, and robotics in bulk. At first as little gifts, but eventually it becomes due to robotniks incesent demand for more. Though, since the symbiote soends every second he has learning about his new favorite subject, eventually, he runs out of things to read about, and turns to experimenting with things himself. Something stone also supports financially.

I feel like this change would make fights with stone and robotnik a lot more interesting, since not only do sonic and shadow have to deal with stones growing connections, but also the new weapons robotniks makeing and deploying. The weapons shakeing up fights a bit more, since there can be a new gimic weapon that either compliments robotniks powers, are inhibits sonic and shadow.

Plus, ontop of it all, robotnik can also use his crystals to possess the things he makes. Sure, he had a taste of possesing non-organic stuff when he put his crystals into cars and the like, but now hes fully delving into the concept. Though, in order to balance it out, id say that he stops possessing organic stuff all together. Not because he cant, but out of the sheer princible of the matter. After all, why would he posses a stupid, inferior, organic animal, when he could use his crystals to posses some cool giant robot? Plus, robotnik never really liked to possess organic things in the first place, only really useing it as a means to an end. (This is based on how he perfers his machines much more than humans in the first sonic movie.)

Anyhow, stone eventually convinces robotnik to sever ties with his home planet, leading the two to try and conquer the world for themselves. This new found ambition to conquer the world leads robotnik to take full advantage of the connections stone has firmly cemented, now going full super villain mode on sonic and shadow. This shift being very evident by the change in scale of their fights. Before, when the four first started fighting, it was mini brawls that stone used to make the hero's look evil, now, shadow and sonic are fighting up against giant robots that rival even skyscrapers in height, or have to deal with whole industries of manifacturing being infested by stones influence. And while yes, they have defeated them in the past and have shown the public a glimpses of what stone and robotnik are really like. By now its far too late, as while some people are rallying against the two, they have far more allies than enemys due to stone's efforts in makeing connections. Of course, they still experience major setbacks delt to them by sonic and shadow, but nothing that will stop them completly. Cementing them as the hero's main villains that they have to fight, among others.

Also, they becomes lovers at some point, because serial killer/the weird alien symbiote that posseses them goes hard.

Anyhow, i have more thoughts, but their not revolving around the main plot of this. So ill end it here. Sorry it was so long, feel free to expand on this if you want. Id absolutely love to hear other ideas.

#stobotnik #venom au #agent stone #jimbotnik #eggman #dr. robotnik #ivo robotnik #god ive had this au for so long #ive just never really found the motivation to share it.#but finnally ive managed to get this out thank the lord.#also #robotnik made himself a mustache out of crystal since he saw a human with a mustache somewhere and thought it would look good on him.#thats actually where the idea for the crystal powers came from lol #cuz i needed his mustache to be included in his design.

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