#we're making it OUT it's looking good so far. only enacting the very beginning of the plan here but i took the step

[autistic-shaiapouf]

First set of aggressive payments on my credit cards and my usage just dropped by at least 5% on both of them

[rosettyller]

some thoughts on what is going on in tmagp so far

What is “the Protocol”?

So far, we know of 4 instances of the Protocol being carried out. They are:

The Great Fire of London* (1666)

Burning down of Isaac Newton's lab (1684)

Burning down of Magnus Institute (1999)

Burning down of Hilltop Centre* (2016)

*Not explicitly stated but pretty clear that's the message we're supposed to take away

Now, these all have fire in common. Likely that this is just because fire is a very effective way of destroying things. However, fire is also one of the four basic elements in alchemy, associated with the humour yellow bile, and rising energy, and with aspiring to reach the divine above.

Sam states that Starkwall burned down the MI; from this we can conclude they were the security people who burned down the Hilltop Centre. We know they were at one point affiliated with the OIAR, but this ended after the MI burned down. Because they shouldn't have burned it down? Because they weren't secretive enough?

I think the main question now is, What is the purpose of the Protocol?

Robert Hooke states it's for safety, but this also interests me:

“children of Adam” I assume is humans -> transforming people - almost like avatars? transformation is certainly a recurring theme at the moment.

But from around the 17th century, alchemy was beginning to decline, and not be looked on as well - not “Good Science”.

So the Protocol is likely stopping something to do with alchemy - and Newton was creating the Philosopher's Tree, a precursor to the Philosopher's Stone.

However, it being specifically the Philosopher's Stone doesn't tie into the others.

This quote implies the burning was in response to the Plague. The fire burned down about 80% of the city, and did actually benefit the city quite a bit; there were very few deaths from the fire itself, although many people died from lack of shelter in the winter; it cleared out yucky-plagued stuff, and allowed for rebuilding from a clean slate - the area of central London it burnt down had houses very closely packed together. A comet in 1664 had beeen taken as an omen of doom, and then in 1665 the Plague hit particularly hard. Then 1666 - the devil's number.

Perhaps here, the Plague had a human/avatar origin. Something similar to the Corruption?

continued under the cut

Now, there's nothing really explicitly linking to alchemy in the Hilltop Centre, although all those items were certainly being brought there for a purpose. If they were trying to achieve something like a ritual, then that would be similar, making sense for Starkwall to go after them.

Then we have the Magnus Institute.

It's interesting that only the main facility in Manchester was burnt down; perhaps the project that caused the enactment of the Protocol was focused there.

The statement about the dice was given to the Manchester facility; the subject/agent/catalyst is common to all magnus statements, but the referral implies catalytics isn't at Manchester? Meaning Subject or Agent-focused stuff is?

Alice also mentions some of the old people at the OIAR mentioning the Protocol; this implies that the OIAR were somehow involved in the MI being burnt down, not Starkwall going off on their own.

Darrien's statement also gives us some interesting info. He was a candidate - candidate for subject/agent perhaps?? "Mutare Materia" implies they were looking into parallel universes & perhaps travel between them; Welling may refer to the Welling in London - maybe they had a facility there? However it seems to imply they're just keeping Darrien where he is (at the Oxford Outreach Centre) so at least some of this project must be based there.

What's the deal with the Entities?

So in contrast to the original universe (U1), this universe seems to have entities of positive and negative emotions, but they seem to function the same way as the Fears. I don't think they are (all) new to this universe; Lena speaks like they're not new, and Ink5oul has been becoming an avatar since at least 2020; the voices started in 2023, and if we assume that was Jon, Martin, the Fears and possibly Jonah entering this universe, then there must already have been some. She also mentions balance.

Which is interesting given what Colin's said. In alchemy, sulphur is associated with the soul, mercury with the mind. Alchemy is also all about balance, and incorporating the base elements in the correct proportions.

I suppose that links into emotions - they all have a reason. Even emotions like fear - they stop you doing stupid things (sometimes). Anxiety leads you to properly prepare for something. etc. But you can't have too much of any one emotion. (And also, human beings are complex. We can feel lots of different emotions at the same time.)

And now, with the addition of fifteen Fear entities, all this is out of balance.

What were the Magnus Institute doing?

I touched on this above, however, there's still a lot more they were doing that we have absolutely no idea about. They had Sam and Gerry there - for what? If they're doing something with the entities, and these entities are emotion-based, it's interesting that they're testing empathy. And that Sam (98% empathy) and Gerry (95%) both weren't what they wanted.

Also - Connor Dyer was there. Is that why Alice seems to know so much, and be trying to ignore it so hard?

Are Chester and Norris Jon and Martin?

...and does this universe have another Jon and Martin too? And if not Jonah, who is Augustus?

It has to be them, in some form. It can't just be this universe's jonmartin needed some money so did some recording as text-speech thingys. It would be mean, if that was all it was. Chester seems to be gaining power and responding to characters. Why was Augustus so much rarer than the other two? Why does Chester keep pointing towards the MI? Because he's Jon and he used to work there in other other universe and knows what it is, or because he knows something about this universe's MI? Why doesn't the OIAR get more MI statements, if they're basically doing the same thing?

and why did Celia get brought through? and what happened to georgie? (i'll probably make another post, i have more thoughts.)

[the-firebird69]

Like we shrunk considerably we're not very big and I need help here. And I need other parties to start pitching in too and we have a handle on what needs to be done but we need labor his people are willing to help but we don't want to hire them first we only want to do if we need it. Right now we need bug control and BG bja you guys are welcome Trump you're on probation is a proprietary. And she's been too because your stuff is awful you're saying and doing is terrible what are you okay and we need will and Bill and Ken garth even Stan of course, and we have a regular list of people but we need minorities to start getting involved here and it's an opportunity it's a team up so you don't get hurt or captured and you'll have a say in it and I do know that you're in Star Trek while Starfleet and we we need to help now we have a bug issue there's huge groups working up north because it's pressurizing fast up there but my grand nephew noted that the park or land actually right near Walmart between Walmart and the tracks if you go Walmart West to the tracks is bubbling water up pretty soon it's going to be everywhere okay and it's way ahead of the schedule and it's from the pressure and the flow and it's going to push out those bugs and he's recommending poison but we don't have time right now to do other stuff and he said it will sleep in and it might go to the aquifer but we can drink bottled water and that bottled water it filters out poisonous if you test the poison we'll have to get water elsewhere but there's a lot of people who drink it but we were told it wouldn't be that much and really it's not that much it's like a million of those nests in Charlotte county most of only 3 ft it's like 99% of them and they're only like 2 in but those things can bite you it's nasty you can kill them but these fleas it's a nasty bite and grossly infected so if you poison a small area like that it's just like spraying poison on your yard and it just pays so we're going to start doing that immediately and it's a paying job we have money in it and the government and other things that we're going to enact and he wants to donate money and get it going so we're accepting donations too so his are coming down with poison companies anywhere something donations and Thor Freya are coming up with the number and he wants to donate it from businesses to promote businesses it is laughing he's laughing he said Florida lobster company no he's not serious they're going to donate from other types of companies but we see it's coming in now it's a good idea and we might put a plaque up and if she parks at donors wall because this is a war

Mac

I don't think this is funny cuz I like tormenting him with lobster tails and talking about bugs and it's the clones it is kind of funny. Now we're going to donate money and when I come down I'll make sure it's spent on the proper tools and poison and we know what to use and we're going to see what you're using it and see if it's okay if it works someplace else someplace in a villains enough in summer far too virulent and really you're right if people are spraying all these yards it would be a lot more poison than what we're going to use so I say spray it all and we did the calculations I've got those I'm coming down now and it should be there in 15 minutes if we're not please begin with us

Thor Freya

We're starting now and we're going to show where we've done and I'm going to rescan together and look for any pockets we missed employ these bugs are nasty you can hear them hissing already nearest and they can smell it so hit him he says it's just like well let's not get into it. I'm spraying it now in the quiet so we got to go on it and the others are talking and we've got stuff to get them if they fly flamethrows Ariel stuff and we're going to suit up now and my nephew thanks me it says if we could send an investigatory team and we already are to the UK and he's concerned about a few things let's have really going to do some testing with your guys on the pressure and the shrinkage what should use a different term but I will and we got the studies coming in today oh they can look at them and that's what we're going to do

Mac

Yeah we'll just subjective we have to start we're stuck here send a place might sink all at once if they depending on the soils and we do understand that in some areas are different and some areas have big sinkholes but we can fill them I was starting to get people to get ready to do that and we know what to put in there too so you semi me cinnamonicious mix and it goes up a little, and it says I don't know about that because in sandals sink like a rock so you're right about that and so he probably want to do like a sand like make like a flowable sand so if you add a certain amount of kind of silt to sand it'll and unfortunately that's what makes it flow but that's true too even a little water we're going to go ahead and try and do that but if you have a hole and it goes to a big huge hole on pocket I mean you should be able to trim it down there and just drop in the sandal just fill it in it doesn't have to flow we agree with him too I'm going to try and do that and you have to treat it cuz it'll sand fleas might be in it and that's the hard part it's treating it correctly this is how you going to do that. How many holes do you have to fill all these stupid bug holes that's one thing the sinkhole is a huge that's fine it works tons of soil it's a mix in the a little bit of something in the sand should be cleaned but I don't know but from the ocean has bugs in it I don't know if it would have the fleas in it from the ocean but it has a stink and attracts the fleas like no tomorrow and that's the problem with me from the ocean so you're going to look into where to get it cuz that ocean sand stinks it's got a hundreds of years of tendons and it's just going to get worse to fill it it's going to be full of these stupid little bugs that's why I said cement but the bugs can go inside the cement give me a bigger pain in the ass ay

We're going to look at it that was Will and Bill and our son and mac daddy and what we say is there is formal fill it's flowable feel available in Florida it's the same kind of soil and it won't stink and it will work and it doesn't have much phosphate at all and or bugs so we can fill it with that but it'll be gone pretty quick we have to fill the whole state so it has to come from somewhere and the ocean is likely source and the sand off at Sea is clean so your big huge ships can pull it up and you can watch the salt out we're going to start doing that I'm going to see if we can get a contract now but we need to donate to the poisoning anyways

Thor Freya