#toby fox has not said what frisk's gender is

[a-undertale-lore-blog]

Did Toby Fox Say What Frisk's Gender IS

Many people have claimed that Toby Fox has outright said that Frisk's gender is up to interpretation. But this seems to be an claim the community has spread through word of mouth and with no actual origin point to where the claim came from. If anyone can provide and actual source that would be useful.

This is a fairly common thing that happens with creators, people will claim they have said something they either never said, or something that is heavily misinterpreted. Like with Miyamoto, Sakurai, and Cawthon to name a few. Or if a creator does actually say something they fail to provide an actual source like with claims about the Sonic canon that Ian Flynn has apparently said.

So the only thing I could find on this topic apparently is a Toby Fox interview from The Existential Gamer. The Existential Gamer asked Toby the following "The protagonist in UNDERTALE is of ambiguous gender. This is also true of many of the monsters he/she encounters along the way. Was this a design choice, and what role does androgyny play in your vision of the world?" Toby chose to skip answering this. This is the only thing I could find and it appears Toby Fox just chooses not to answer the question at all.

So by technicality it is is up to player's interpretation, but that is because Toby just refuses to answer the question from the looks of things.

[controversial-blorbo-bracket]

Hey idk if honourable mentions via asks are still a thing (if they are and/or you find this ask to be too long) but godDAMN Alphys Undertale should've been in this I really regret missing the submission period

Okay so Alphys is like, a mess??? Like, I don't know how to explain it all so I think I'll get a previous writing of mine that explains most of the deal with her (the True Lab stuff isn't explained but that is a Whole Mess that would make this 8 paragraph-long ask even longer):

Context: I made a comment mentioning people hating on Undertale characters after appearing to express an enjoyment for a character that I like, someone asked me to rant about it, and I did, making a third of my analysis about Alphys (the rest was about Asgore, who's on the competition, and Toriel, whose hate is fairly minor compared to the others):

"I said it a couple times that Alphys is the least popular character in the game, and it's by a landslide. Why? Well, there are a few reasons, mainly the irredeemable crime of being annoying, because Toby Fox didn't think it through fully and made it so that the Texts in Hotland and the CORE repeated after each death and replay, so you're forced to see the exact same jokes every time you die to literally anything.

That's just the main reason, though, we still have to talk about her manipulation and compulsive lying! She manipulates Frisk through the areas where she's present in a way to act as a Cool Supporting Character, deliberately delays Mettaton's Gender-Affirming Surgery body finalization because she's afraid of losing her only friend, and makes small white lies to Undyne so she can seem cooler to her. These are the main issues, and seem to come from a place of bad mental health and some sort of mental disorder, but a lot of people really dislike her just because of that and then proceed to tell Undyne that Anime is real not to hurt her feelings despite that being a dick move to Alphys because it forces her to say that AGAIN WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU.

There's also the apparent incompetence of her actions in the True Lab but honestly those are like 5 cans of worms that I Do Not Want To Get Into, so basically a lot of people misinterpret Catty and Bratty's dialogue in a way that makes it seem like Alphys lied to Asgore to get the job, but that's a completely baseless assumption, and considering how Mettaton works and what was asked of her I don't think it makes much sense.

The issue here is that people are dunking on Alphys's questionable actions when Asgore has done much worse, and then completely missing the point of her character. It's annoying and pretty much omnipresent in the fandom, with a particularly bad case of it being in this video, that calls out the fandom's mistreatment of Asgore and then proceeds to literally call stuff that Alphys didn't do, or was forced to do, out, like lying to get her job (again, not true), or not warning anyone about Flowey (she was being manipulated by him). It's a huge mess that comes from a gameplay annoyance but turned into something way bigger."

Idk if she should qualify due to most of the feelings towards her being fully negative, but eh Mineta did and I'm yet to see someone who genuinely enjoys him :P

Tbh I had no idea Alphys was so controversial or so hated. Though I’ve only played Undertale once so I know I missed stuff

[swatchitt]

"Frisk and Chara's gender are supposed to be interpreted by the player"

um we all know Toby Fox created gay people, idk why its so hard to comprehend he may have chosen to have nonbinary protagonists

where is your whimsy

where is your brain beyond your own head

the whole game is a commentary on the unfair control the player has over characters who are treated like real beings by their creator. the fact you can go around and kill mercilessly or reset whenever you like and for your own pleasure is a part of that.

you're telling me that imposing a characters gender because you feel like it isn't also a depiction of unfair control? like it isn't any of your business what Chara and Frisk are, because at the end of the day, Toby wanted you to understand these characters as individuals. they dont exist for your entertainment or for YOU at all.

so whether YOU like it or not, Chara and Frisk dont have a gender specified in the canon. certainly not one for you to sexualise and use against them.

the same can be said for Kris, ESPECIALLY Kris.

[kittymama01]

I'm entering dangerous territory right now, but I just feel like this has to be said.

"Frisk" from Undertale. Is whoever you want them to be. Because they're a self-insert protagonist.

There's no canon age, no canon name, no canon anything. "Frisk" is the default name but, you can go by any name you want.

The reason I'm going into this territory is because I've seen folks in the fandom yell at people with "Uh- Frisk is a non-gender child, please respect them". When there isn't a drop of evidence of this. Because that's not the point of "Frisk".

If you're a girl, than to you- "Frisk" is a girl. If you're a boy, than "Frisk" is a boy. You're non-binary, than "Frisk" is non-binary. And so on. Or maybe you go by visual appearance and go with what you feel "Frisk" to be. Because again:

"Frisk" is meant to be you. The player. Or an OC, however you want to play. That's the point.

If you see "Frisk" as Frisk, a non-gender child. Than that's fine! Don't bash anyone who does self-inserts and does their own OC of "Frisk".

If I want to play Undertale and name my "Frisk": Kitty. And play as a stupid 27-year-old woman with cat ears who fell down to monster town. Than that's what I'm going to do.

Now, to this part. The "but, in Undertale, they say-" stuff.

"Toriel calls you "Child""

She's an immortal being with children. Of course, she's calling you child because everyone is a child to her.

"Sans calls you "Kid""

There are adults my age who call another adult the same age "kid". It's a thing. Some people just do that. Does it make sense? No.

"The little monster boy in a striped shirt calls you a child because of your shirt"

Not to be mean but, I wouldn't take the word of that character. He doesn't know any better, he's just a kid. And, AGAIN, monsters age differently. Who knows how long he's been alive. He follows you, a complete stranger, through dangerous areas. Even when you're doing the genocide route. So, yeah.

"Toby Fox confirmed that Frisk's age is 16"

... This is a big one. Hold on.

*microphone screeches*

Ahem

📢 TOBY FOX IS A TROLL, ESPECIALLY TO THE FANDOM! HE'S ONLY SAID THIS ONCE AND NEVER AGAIN! TAKE HIS WORDS WITH A PINCH OF SALT!

Like the guy but, yeah, I wouldn't take everything he says too seriously. He does confirm that the dog is him. Temmie is his friend who helped him with the game. And all the characters are inspired by his friends. He's even said it's weird seeing characters based on him and his friends being shipped. That's it. Everything else is him being a troll. He's an ass and we love him for it.

Also, I want to be clear- I'm not doing this to defend ships. I use to be a shipper but now? Meh. Whatever. I'm doing this to defend players/artists who have their own versions of "Frisk", especially under different names.

So... Yeah. That's it.

At the end of the day. "Frisk" is an empty husk protagonist that comes alive thanks to you, the players. You create "Frisk" however you want. Whether you play as a non-gender child named Frisk. Or a 27-year-old woman named Kitty. What matters is how you enjoy the game and what story you want to tell.

Edit: I did, in fact, forget the part that at the end of the True Pacifist route, that Asriel says your name is instead Frisk. Which, I gotta say, it's no wonder I forgot about that part. It doesn't work well. No offense to Toby but, that takes away the roleplaying experience. I still stand with what I said though.

[aftonfamilyvalues]

I guess this is gonna be a somewhat hot take but. I never really liked the whole Kris/Frisk are nonbinary because the game doesn't tell you their gender discourse. My take has always been that Kris/Frisk is supposed to be the player, the character is a reflection of you. I think the games had neutral pronouns so that it could work for anyone. If you're a woman - K/F is a woman, if you're a man - they're men, and so on.

Anyway, Gaster is a blorbo 🥰

thats how ive always felt about it, both of them being left neutral so you could fill in the blanks and project yourself, especially in undertale given you input a name thats likely your own. i know thats not really the case though, toby fox said it was "to remove sexism" which doesnt work in the slightest because you cant take the misogyny out of people who are entrenched in a misogynistic society by creating a nonbinary character. we live in a world of male as default, so guess what people are likely going to default to? didnt solve anything, fox.

[under-lore]

Could you try and determine Frisk's gender?

So, i've let this ask on read for a very long time because i just didn't to write massive paragraphs about the gender debate. Not right now at least. But i guess i should answer at least something if not that.

By the way your question is worded, it sounds as if you are asking me if there is a way to determine that similarly to what i've tried doing about Frisk's age via things like behavior or appearance.

This makes me question wether you meant gender identity or sex in this question.

Whilst sex is determined by what they were born with, gender is more of a social construct. Its what they identify as and relates to one's inner sense of self instead.

As you can see, the kind of analysis used in that other post just wouldn't apply to gender. If one wanted to discuss gender, it would be more relevant to talk about things such as the pronouns other characters use to refer to them and the reason why they use said pronouns.

If by "gender" you did mean gender identity :

There are already many posts out there relating to how the humans were likely intended to be non binary. For instance, this one got rather popular recently.

If by "gender" you actually just meant biological sex :

Whilst its true that certain traits or actions are more associated with one sex than another (and that is without even considering intersex !), trying to count all of those things for Frisk in hopes of seeing any trend emerge is something that would simply never get anywhere.

For every instance of Frisk wearing a tutu, there is one of them wearing a manly bandana to match it. Same rules applies for other similar situations scattered throughout the game.

I think you get the idea. On that regard, Frisk sends signals in every direction at once.

This was a very intentional design choice by Toby.

Toby Fox has commented on his intention being to make Frisk an androgynous character very early in development, back when Frisk still had black hair.

Trying to figure out Frisk's sex via any kind of analysis just isn't possible. Not only because it was purposely made impossible by Toby but also because the question that it tries to answer is one that was never intended on being answerable in the first place.

There is nothing to be "figured out" here, just an androgynous child that is refered to with gender neutral pronouns.

[sometimesanartdragon]

A little argument by me

I am finally jumping into discourse (read the whole thing before you get mad please and thank you)

Okay so I want to walk through something about Undertale and to start let me make myself clear: I AM A NON BINARIY INDIVIDUAL  and I am a very big supporter of the trans community at large. There is no trans phobia in my logic and I am constantly working to keep up with a community that seems to keep one to five steps ahead of me.

Now that the disclaimer has been made lets move on

Frisk and Chara can be whatever gender the person playing them wants them to be. End of story. The only point it is wrong is when someone else is imposing their views on you or an AU where they have established sexes 

This is my argument:

First many people believe Frisk and Chara are trans/non binary individuals. Well I am here to remind you, that trans and non binary people can use gendered pronouns, not to mention gender fluid people are both non binary and trans and use gendered pronouns. Also just because someone calls Frisk and Chara a specific pronoun does not make them any less trans just not the trans you want them to be. 

Second the evidence is very weak to Frisk and Chara being non binary to begin with. I can only remember in one scene where they refer to Frisk as “they” and it was said by monsters who could not even tell that Frisk was human to begin with let alone know what human sexual dimorphism manifests as or what modern human gender identity is. 

Not to mention that using they them does not automatically prove someone to be non binary. It just means the other person does not know.  

Third Frisk displays all the signs of a “player insert character” little to no personality, simple design, no real speaking roles (aka no voice/voice actor), customizable name (while it turns out to be Chara later you do not know this at the time and therefor play as if this were true making this a valid statement), little to nothing revealed about characters background/history/culture and so on. This means you as the player fill in the blanks. Some fill it in with themselves. Some fill it in with other things. No version is any less valid. 

Fourth Tobi Fox has not once supported any theory over the others pertaining to Frisk and Chara’s sex/gender. Therefore there is no official “cannon” In Deltarune your customization of Kris gets thrown out. Again this does not mean “non binary wins” It means you cannot impose your views on the character. meaning no one is technically right. This one scene has been used like crazy for confirmation bias as to the player character’s non binary status but again non binary people were also told that they do not get to choose in this scene. There is no real evidence to imply otherwise.

Finally Tobi Fox has made an amazingly inclusive game. there is representation all over for many people who often do not get representation. Tobi Fox clearly made it a goal to welcome everyone possible to enjoy the game and make something that did not alienate players as other games often do. Why would someone who clearly worked so hard to make sure so many people were included stop before they get to the player character? 

People already know that having one type of player character alienates large groups of people. That is why the gaming industry is currently adding more POC and women into their games.(we still have a long way to go) By making Frisk be anything other than everything you are making sure that, those who do feel uncomfortable playing such defined characters, have less chance to get the immersion that others do. imposing one type of non binary still alienates another type. same with trans by imposing that they can only use this set of pronouns you can be triggering dysphoria for other trans individuals. 

One thing that has been consistent for this Non binary talk is that those who argue the hardest for Frisk being Non binary is that they seem to be so emotionally invested in Frisk being their type of non binary (and not all non binary people as a whole) \ that seeing them as anything else but their idea of NB is distressing. I have seen anon hate, general announcements of “my way or the highway”, blocking of any blog that even thinks of liking/ rebloging any gendered Frisk that they do not approve of (even if they support NB Frisk), anon threats, even going as far as identifying them as Non binary afab or amab being wrong and bad.  

If this is the case I am sorry it is distressing for you. I support your need to have representation but it should not do harm to others/exclude others in the process.

Frisk is literally the most flexible and representative character in gaming today. I have never seen a character with more identities race/sex/gender/age etc, (even when Frisk is gendered it is usually hardly even the focus of the plot it just is a simple fact that no one pays a whole fuck ton of to attention to.) 

Often it feels like Undertale is too inclusive as people jump on the main character and fight over what is true and what is not. It seems we were not ready for something so openly welcoming in media. 

TLDR: Undertale is an inclusive game and inclusion is not the same thing as representation. Inclusion means everyone gets a share even if you don’t think they should. Frisk needs to be able to be any sex/gender/age/race/ability to properly include all players, and with little solid evidence that Frisk is any ONE thing then Frisk is likely everything.    

This has been my TED talk thank you

[agentravensong]

Know what? I don’t wanna work more on my Spanish essay, and I totally get why throwing the link to an essay and/or 50 minute video turns off most people from actually engaging with my points. So while I wait for the one anon to get back to me, here are the two main reasons why I believe the fandom should recognize that Frisk, Chara, and Kris are canonically nonbinary (only 3 paragraphs below the “keep reading” don’t be scared):

1. The whole idea that the kids’ genders are ‘up to interpretation’ is not founded on anything in-game, or anything Toby Fox has (or hasn’t) said. Like I was getting at in this short post, the assumption that the use of they/them pronouns for these characters is meant to be as placeholders is just that - an assumption. One that most of the fandom just takes as fact because they’ve heard everyone else around them saying it, without interrogating why they believe it. And if you do an analytical reading of these characters’ roles and arcs, the idea that their genders are left ambiguous for us to decide becomes contradictory to what the games themselves say.

2. More subjectively, I firmly believe that keeping yourself from using he/she pronouns and gendered terms (like brother/sister, daughter/son, etc.) for these characters is not a “loss” that outweighs all the hurt that is caused by misgendering of these characters. What kind of hurt, you ask? For one, hurt directly to nonbinary fans who feel disrespected and devalued when they see others erasing nonbinary representation. And then there’s hurt caused by indirectly reinforcing societal bigotry against nonbinary people, by implying that they/them pronouns are meant to be just placeholders and, by extension, that nonbinary identities are somehow less concrete and real than binary gender identities. If you don’t want to see people hurt by this, all you have to do is use the proper pronouns and terms for these three characters.

Now if you want to hear more explanation and examples of these points, that’s what the video and the script doc are for. But these are the cruxes of my argument, as condensed as I can put them. So now I can throw this link at people instead! I hope it’s not too much to expect people to read 3 paragraphs before getting into a serious discussion with me on this topic.

[honoraryhufflepuffdj]

UNDERTALE + DELTARUNE ROLEPLAY

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Themes may include:

-Violence

-Friendship

-Heartbreak

-Romance (of all genders)

-Some language

-Lots of blood

-Determination!

Are you a fan of Toby Fox’s Undertale and Deltarune games? Then here’s a fun crossover of both of the games. I love these games and such! I will allow ocs as well as the main characters (even some of the side and background characters!).

If you understand, please comment, “I’M UNDYNE AND I’M PILING ON THE SMOOCHES!”

Plot~

The light world and dark world has been connected for millions of centuries. After the time of Deltarune, the light and dark world have been both opened, for people to explore both as they like. Daisy, the forgotten sister of Lancer, has been brought along this journey for a bit. But as she joins, the darkness of the world that had once been dead has decided to slowly come back. Can she help her brother and his friends defeat the darkness, or will she give into the darkness and turn against them? Find out!

If you understand, please comment, “Stay determined!”

Rules~

1. Please know the games! If you have to research, let me know. I may make a Facebook group to organize and have all the information on characters and places and plot and gameplay and such for any members that may not know too much about the games.

2. Please be respectful of everyone!

3. I know there’s a lot of characters I’m listing so don’t feel like we have to fill up all the roles. I’d like to fill at least all of the main characters at least.

4. Play as many characters as you can handle!

5. If you make ocs, please make sure they are like the characters (like what they look like). If you are making any oc of a character that is made, please notify the person that is playing the role to let them know about it!

6. Bio is recommended and not required.

7. Ships are allowed. This being said, if you have one with a character, no stealing ships or being mad that the ship you have made (playing the game, watching gameplay, making fanfics, etc.) doesn’t work out to how you’ve planned.

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9. Killing is allowed but please notify others if you want to kill off their character!

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11. Have fun, make friends, and STAY DETERMINED!

If you understand, please comment, “It’s just a duck?”

Characters~

Undertale:

[MAIN] Frisk- Open

[MAIN] Flowey- TAKEN

[MAIN] Toriel- TAKEN

[MAIN] Sans- TAKEN

[MAIN] Papyrus- TAKEN

[MAIN] Undyne- Open

[MAIN] Alphys- TAKEN

[MAIN] Mettaton- TAKEN

[MAIN] Asgore- TAKEN

[MAIN] Asriel- TAKEN

[MAIN] Chara- TAKEN

Nice Cream Guy- Open

Gerson- Open

Bratty- Open

Catty- Open

Burgerpants- Open

Monster Kid- TAKEN

River Person- Open

Dummy- Open

Froggit- Open

Whimsum- Open

Loox- Open

Vegetoid- Open

Migosp- Open

Moldsmal- Open

Napstablook- Open

Snowdrake- Open

Ice Cap- Open

Lesser Dog- Open

Chilldrake- Open

Gyftrot- Open

Doggo- Open

Dogamy- Open

Dogaressa- Open

Greater Dog- Open

Glyde- Open

Jerry- Open

Mad Mew Mew- Open

Aaron- Open

Woshua- Open

Moldbygg- Open

Shyren- Open

Mad Dummy- Open

Glad Dummy- Open

Temmie- Open

Muffet- Open

Vulkin- Open

Tsunderplane- Open

Pyrope- Open

So Sorry- Open

Royal Guards- Open

Whimsalot- Open

Astigmatism- Open

Madjick- Open

Knight Knight- Open

Memory Head- Open

Endogeny- Open

Reaper Bird- Open

Lemon Bread- Open

Snowdrake’s Mother- Open

Modessa- Open

Parsnik- Open

Migospel- Open

Annoying Dog- Open

W. D. Gaster- TAKEN

Deltarune:

[MAIN] Kris- TAKEN

[MAIN] Ralsei- TAKEN

[MAIN] Susie- TAKEN

[MAIN] Lancer- Open

[MAIN] King- Open

[MAIN] Jevil- TAKEN

[MAIN] Rouxls Kard- Open

[MAIN] Seam- Open

[MAIN] Noelle- Open

Bloxer- Open

C. Round- Open

Clover- Open

Hathy- Open

Head Hathy- Open

Jigsawry- Open

King Round- Open

Mallius- Open

Ponman- Open

Rabbick- Open

Rudinn- Open

Catti- Open

Jockington- Open

Monster Kid- Open

Snowy- Open

Temmie- TAKEN

Dad Cat- Open

Father Alvin- Open

Purple Guy- Open

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[what-lovely-scales-fandom]

The thing a surprising number of people don't seem to realize about Chara and Frisk is that they are BOTH subversions of the idea of a "blank slate player character." There's a lot of evidence for that, but one of the most interesting bits is one that applies very similarly to both of them: their names.

Most blind players start out with the assumption that the character they're controlling is the same one they name at the beginning. And because they're controlling a silent protagonist who they named it's a pretty natural assumption that this protagonist is a self-insert for the player, a character who's supposed to be, more or less, you. Then they typically get increasingly confused as they travel down the True Pacifist run and find more and more cases of the name they chose being applied to a character who is clearly not the character they're controlling. Somewhere between the time they find the tapes and finish the game they put together that they haven't named the freshly fallen human, but instead the first human to fall. And then they learn the protagonist's actual name. Frisk.

Most people can put together that a game tricking you into thinking you're naming a character when you really aren't has to happen for a reason. The simplest and most comprehensive answer is that Frisk is a deliberate subversion of a blank slate, someone you thought of as an extension of yourself that turned out to be their own character with their own motivations and values. It fits the evidence, since Frisk only lets you learn their name if you play the game in one particular way.

The next conclusion people come to is where some get stuck. They think that because Frisk is a subversion of a blank slate, and that's so tied to the trick of who you're naming, the character who you ACTUALLY name, the first fallen human, must be a blank slate character instead. And a cursory glance at the evidence does back this up: you have to choose yourself to fight and grind to complete the No Mercy run, the part of the game with the most obvious ties to the fallen human, and Toby Fox himself said the best thing to name the fallen human was your own name -- or a pet's name, or some other name that you treasured, but still, that first bit does matter.

This isn't the most powerful bit of evidence against the fallen human being a blank slate; that would still be the end of a No Mercy run. An avatar of your will turning on you and overriding your decisions is something that simply could not be done by an actual blank slate like, say, a pokemon protagonist or the characters from the very first Final Fantasy. But another piece of evidence, less categorical but more interesting in its parallels with Frisk, is that the fallen human has a true name. Chara. Now it's true that some blank slates have default names, but this is a completely different ball game than default names. Defaults are to give you something to take if you don't want to make a choice, but it is completely impossible to start a game of Undertale without picking a name of some sort yourself. There is no option to take the default. The only way you can get the "true name" response without googling or breaking into the source code is by sheer, ridiculous luck. "Chara" isn't a default; it's actually hidden from the player. And the message you get when you use "Chara" isn't subtle about what that name means. Saying "Chara is the true name of the fallen human" is saying about as plainly as it can be said that Chara, like Frisk, is not actually being named by you. For one name to be "the true name" necessarily means all the others are false names. When it became plain that even though we thought we had named them, Frisk actually had their own name that we had no influence over, that caused most people to realize that Frisk wasn't a blank slate character. Chara follows the exact same rules. We should therefore be able to reach the exact same conclusion.

(This same kind of logic breaks down the idea that Frisk and Chara have ambiguous genders rather nicely. At first it seems that there's a lot of ambiguity to both characters -- all we know for sure is that they're both children. Then you learn that they have their own names, then that they have their own personalities,  their own motivations, and in Chara's case their own backstory. People have said that Frisk has a deliberately ambiguous ethnicity, but Chara being plainly white or white-passing more or less puts the kibosh on that as well. And of course there's the fact that as SUBVERSIONS of blank slate player-inserts there's not even a REASON for them to have ambiguous genders. Which leaves the argument as something like "Frisk and Chara are complex, well-defined characters, except for their genders which are left completely ambiguous for no specific reason." With an argument this weak, especially considering several other characters in Undertale use they/them pronouns without even reaching the level of blank slate subversion such as Napstablook and Monster Kid, it's no wonder that the most popular defense of the "ambiguous gender" claim seems to be referring to a Toby Fox interview that by all appearances does not actually exist.)

[krixwell-liveblogs]

Blind reactions to Deltarune chapter 1

Alright, so last night, I played through Deltarune chapter 1.

For those not in the know, this is a free teaser for the sequel to Undertale, which takes around 3-5 hours to complete. It’s meant for those who have “finished Undertale”, so if you haven’t either finished Undertale or, like me, watched enough playthroughs of the game that you’ve practically finished it by proxy, you should probably skip the rest of this post. Same goes if you haven’t played Deltarune yourself. Go do that.

Liveblogging Worm isn’t my first time sharing my reactions to things as I went along. It kinda comes naturally for me to do that. So a few minutes into Deltarune (in the classroom scene), I decided to share some thoughts I’d had up until that point. But the problem was, I couldn’t go into the #deltarune_spoilers channel on Loreweaver’s server to talk about it, or I’d get spoiled myself. So, I opened a NotePad document and began typing my thoughts there for later sharing. And then I continued doing that until I finished the game.

And hey, I have a liveblog, why not use it for this too? So, below the readmore, if you’re interested, here are my thoughts on Deltarune.

Warning: It’s long. Also, spoilers for Deltarune (duh), Undertale, Kingdom Hearts II and vaguely Homestuck, Wander Over Yonder and Over the Garden Wall.

It's kind of hilarious how the game goes "nah, you don't get to decide who you are", and then gives the character a name that works as a shortened version of my legal name.

Kris looks like an older Frisk, but doesn't share the name. Are they separate? But why would Toriel be raising them then?

The narration is far less filled with FUN than the narration in Undertale, giving Kris a depressing feel. The shaded eyes and the mirror narration "It's only you." (in contrast to Undertale's) "It's you!" reinforce this. I wonder if it has to do with Chara's presence in Undertale and the narrator!Chara theory.

Kris has a brother...?

Asriel's around? Well, then. Alternate universe alarm bells are ringing.

We could be following Chara, but the world seems to have monsters and humans living together, Toriel isn't a queen, and many characters in and after the driving cutscene shouldn't have been born yet when Chara was around.

Alphys as a school teacher is fun. I immediately went to her when she asked me to pick a partner, just to see what she'd say - I love that she's watching anime in class.

Decided to go for Monster Kid first, in case I couldn't check out everyone before making my choice. But apparently he's partnered already, so I guess there is no choice. I'm guessing the snake is the one who hasn't got a partner yet.

...Snowy, you're incorrigible.

Wait, so Temmie is partnered with an egg. That leaves an even number of other candidates. So I guess we're not going to find anyone to partner with. I suppose that fits the tone we're going for with the narration.

Blue bird guy is a jerk.

His name is Berdly? ...sure.

I like the reindeer.

Jockington. These names! And apparently the cat is named Catti. Not to be confused with Catty, whom I'm pretty sure I saw in the driving cutscene. Or did I only see her parents? I definitely saw Bratty, at least, so Catty shouldn't be in school. And the personalities don't match.

That's an origin story, alright. I suppose that means we've already got an implied ouroboros in this game, since Jockington was a hula hoop rather than a jumping rope.

Noelle is a good name for the reindeer. I'm not surprised to see Berdly objecting to the trio idea.

...hello there, important character. Susie?

So I suppose we're teaming up with the intimidating goth.

Poor Alphys is terrified of Susie. Susie honestly seems kind of chill at first glance, but there's gotta be a reason why she intimidates Alphys especially much.

Okay, who's eating chalk? I noticed the green chalk was missing from Kris' house, and now the school's chalk is gone for the third time. Did someone let a Homestuck character or two loose in this world?

So we're babysitting Susie on the chalk quest.

The classmates don't seem confident in Kris' survival. Apparently Susie has a reputation for beating people up.

"You SUZ, you LOSE!" Okay, Snowy, I'll give you that one. :p

What did Susie just do? Eat something? She doesn't seem to want me to have seen it.

Yeah, Susie doesn't seem so bad. So, secret, you say?

...bad timing to add that, huh. Also, quiet people piss you off? Hypocrite.

OH! That was the chalk! I was kidding when I said someone was eating it, but of course, this is Toby Fox. Which this electric guitar music is also reminding me of.

Whoops. Looks like she's gone full "well, why not make this worse so the punishment is worth it" mode.

"I would rather not lose my face, thank you very much."

All bark and no face-bite?

"If you hadn't gotten it by now, your choices don't matter." That's definitely meant in a meta sense. It's starting to become a theme. I suppose Deltarune isn't particularly branching, unless this changing is going to be a point.

Is "blurry yellow object" any way to talk about your teacher, Kris?

I like Susie's reactions to you trying to go the wrong way.

I don't think this is supposed to happen when you open a closet.

This is not a closet anymore, Susie.

"kind of big" YA THINK

Yeah, the closet's definitely broken, in some fashion. So where is this taking us? Narnia? The world of Undertale?

Aaand the door's closed.

And here goes the floor. Time to let gravity do its thing?

Can't have an Undertale game without falling into another world, eh? So, where's Susie? And is it just me or did Kris just get a new wardrobe? Yeah, that's definitely some kind of armor.

Oh hey, save point. I wonder if we're getting filled with anything. Dread, maybe. Everything's blue, even the save point...

"At times you see it flickering. The light only you can see. By second nature, you reach out and..." So Kris, whether they're Frisk or not, is familiar with the save points, and knows that others can't see them. Interesting.

Hang on, did I just overwrite a Kris save with a Krixwell save? I *knew* it wouldn't completely discard those answers from the start. (That's why I answered the same things when I restarted to get my headphones working.)

Hmm. Eyeballs on stalks that start swinging when you walk past them? I like the sounds they make.

Something just moved off-screen in the top right. Also, there's something flowing out of holes here. Oil?

Huh. An eye symbol. Reminds me of Madoka Magica.

Another one, in case you missed the first one... Am I supposed to go down this water(?)fall?

Yep. No return. Not that there's anything to return to.

Sleeping gray oozes...

Is this what's left of the underground after the pacifist ending? Except that doesn't explain the relation between Frisk, Asriel and Kris. I suppose it's possible that Frisk is the brother and took on the name Asriel as a tribute, but that honestly just seems rude. Besides, Toby would catch all sorts of flak if he were to gender Frisk now.

Pfft, those eyes and the oil hole look like a silly face. So, this *looks like* the first real choice of the story. Not that "real choice" necessarily means much - it's not like Undertale actually branched much. Most proper choices in Undertale were fake, still leading to the same outcome.

Hmm. If only one of these leads onward to the rest of the story, it's probably the silly face route. So I should probably go downwards if I want to not miss anything.

Yep. Dead end, with something shining in the oil hole.

...a Glowshard. Alright, let's see what its info says.

Woah, new menu! Earlier, in the house, I discovered that the menu was the same as in Undertale, but now that I'm in the closet, there's a new interface. Interesting.

The Glowshard's use is unknown. Alright.

Cell phone's not working and makes beautiful sounds to show that.

Apparently along with the armor, Kris wound up with a "wood blade". I wonder if that's actually the pencil they had earlier. I say this while sitting here with a shortsword-sized pencil next to me.

"Body contains a human SOUL." That's ominous. The fact that the game is specifying that makes it sound like it might change.

While Kris is wearing something that looks like armor, it doesn't show up on the equip screen as such.

They seem to have lost their 2 money.

Silly face path time!

Should I be concerned about that eyeball-stalk having a red outline? I probably should.

Interesting. Going into "combat" against the hostile stalks gave more things outlines, and the SOUL became visible. I wonder if getting hit would send me into a mini dodging game like when Undyne chases you in Undertale.

I should probably note that while I've watched many playthroughs of Undertale, I've never actually played it, apart from a browser version of the Sans fight. So if this contains bullet hells scaled after the end of Undertale at the very start, I'm kind of screwed.

"A power shines within you, breaking through the darkness." Determination? Hope? No, hope is HP. I suppose it could just be the ability to save, which is a side effect of determination. Even if Kris hasn't exactly seemed like the determined type so far.

Oh, right, restored HP. Maybe that was hope after all.

"Eye Puzzle". Alright, let's puzzle this out.

Without having read the sign, just looking at the iconography, I'm guessing the dots mean which eyes are affected by each light, and you have to close all of them to proceed.

"In this land, only eyes blinded by darkness can see the way..." Yeah, definitely sounds like I need to close them.

Rightmost eye and middle eye. Easy as p-eye. YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN MAKE BAD PUNS SNOWY

I just saw the black thing again, at the right edge, moving real fast. Looked almost like an Enderman from Minecraft at a glance.

There it is again. I'm about to catch up with it, aren't I. Did it come down the other waterfall?

Oh cod, did I just kill one of the sleeping oozes?

Oh! It's Susie! Hi.

How did Kris get you into this? You're the one who ate the chalk so we had to get more, you're the one who pushed on into the closet.

Susie's outfit looks like she fell out of Kingdom Hearts. Maybe that's what's going on. Maybe Kris is Frisk's nobody, who's been living in a fake world.

Ooh, someone waving, you say?

Apparently they've got hostility in spades.

This looks like a ghost town. Like, literally, a town for ghosts, with the curved houses and all.

Well, at least it's a ghost town in the figurative sense. That castle is intriguing. Not to mention the geyser.

"Why the hell is there a castle inside a supply closet?" Ahaha

"Welcome, heroes...!" is off-center and it's bugging me.

A masked stranger introducing himself as the Prince of this Kingdom. In yellow. I don't trust this at all. Flowey, is that you?

The Kingdom of Darkness. Alright. Is this connected to the Underground in any way?

The stranger knows our names and called us heroes. He's been expecting us.

Heroes of Light? I don't know, I don't think I'd peg either of them as having that aspect.

Foretold by time and space... look, the Homestuck jokes write themselves and I think Toby Fox knows that.

Hopes and dreams, light and dark, balance of the world being threatened... fairly basic plot beats in and of themselves. Fair enough. Three heroes, including the Prince, supposed to restore the balance... The thing is, I still don't trust the Prince to be telling the truth, or at least, the full truth, and I think a lot of the plot is left in the inaccuracies. I'm watching you, Prince.

"Delta warriors" sounds like something you'll try to make a thing but not really succeed at making a thing.

"Please, won't you accept this destiny?" "Uhh... Nah." Ahaha, I love it.

The Prince seems genuinely distraught at Susie's refusal.

Pfffft, bye Prince! Oh my cod, is that you, Sans?

Okay, no, this isn't Sans. And he sounds like he's an antagonist, talking about the heroes "running away". He mentions his dad, whom I'm guessing is the supposed main antagonist for now.

"I'm... the bad guy." I'm not hearing an elaborate and catchy song to explain that, so your point is invalid.

"We both know you'll go EAST!" Yeah, because there's no other exit that we didn't come from.

Lancer, huh. As if the Son of the Month thing didn't make it clear that you're not the main antagonist. So, hey, depending on the exact role of his dad, would Lancer perhaps also count as "a Prince from the Dark" for the prophecy?

Alright, new fighting UI. This ought to be interesting. It looks kind of early-Final-Fantasy-esque?

(Act -> Check) Ohh, Lancer was the spade guy. Pfft, he's just got a burning bike, not a motorcycle.

So Susie's also found herself with a new weapon.

He claims his bike's running out of fuel, but the check established it doesn't actually run on fuel...

So what's the real reason he's forfeiting-- oh, dinnertime. Fair enough. Enjoy!

Ralsei. I think I've seen fanart of you. I like how you have a heart on your shirt - a human heart - to contrast with Lancer's spade. I don't trust it, but I like it.

So why don't you have any subjects, Ralsei? Why have you had to wait alone your whole life?

"Ralsei, the lonely prince, is now your ally." Hey... Ralsei is an anagram of Asriel...

"The power of fluffy boys shines through you." Ahahaha

Ooh, training dummy. White outline, which I suppose indicates you can fight it but it's not hostile like the ones with red outlines.

This big door looks familiar.

Ralsei explicitly asks me to do a pacifist run. Interesting.

These red trees look weird.

I like how it gave me a little thing telling me the name of the track that was starting to play. The Field of Hopes and Dreams, huh? It's pretty sweet, too. Meanwhile, Lancer left a message about upcoming enemies. Should be fun.

"If you're reading this, I guess you're dead." I think you got that backwards, dude.

Hi there, Lancer. I thought it was dinnertime?

Hah, the group term for the diamond-based Rudinns is "necklace". Nice.

So if you do the thing that lets you spare an enemy, you can also have your partner spare the enemy on the same turn. Good to know.

RIP Topchef's cake.

Maze of Death? Sounds pleasant.

I see Susie's not doing a pacifist run. Hey, what if she's the true main antagonist by the end of all this?

Pfft, poor Lancer has no sense of direction, apparently.

Hehe, the White Ribbon enhances Kris's cuteness. I wonder if that has mechanical consequences.

Apparently only Kris can seal the dark fountain, and Susie is stuck with us.

Oh my cod the fanfare gag is hilarious

Whoops. Susie killed the C.Round because I took the time to *Check it. Does that mean I'm no longer on a pacifist route?

Violet tormentor. Good title.

"The power of mean girls shines within you." Oh my cod, Kris, you can't just ask people why they're violet!

*haggles the tutorial seller down to 1 dark dollar, buys, and then just turns around* Nah.

This shop guy looks like someone mixed together the Beldam, Mad-Eye Moody, an old cat and the goggles from Splinter Cell.

Seam, pronounced "Shawm"? Not a bad name for someone who looks to be part doll.

Lightners, Darkners... Apparently the Lightners were godlike. Are the Lightners the monsters, and the Darkners their "shadows"? Ralsei being the shadow of Asriel?

The Darkners were "locked away and left behind". Sounds familiar.

King seeking revenge...

Historically, there were four kings, in the "Card Castle". No points for guessing how the kings were themed, or who Lancer's dad is. Or who Ralsei's dad was, for that matter.

So does that make Lancer the Jack of Spades?

A strange knight, description in red, appeared and locked three of the kings away. Again, no points for guessing which one wasn't locked away. So does this knight work for the King of Spades, or vice versa? Are there Aces in all of this?

Oh, alright, so the King of Spades put the Knight and his son, Lancer, into power. That suggests the King works for the Knight rather than vice versa. Possibly not willingly.

"Haven't seen this much chaos since... Ha ha ha... Well, you don't need to know about THAT." Since what? Since just before the Lightners left for the surface? Since some plant absorbed nearly every Lightner's soul for a while?

Bought the Amber Card and a couple more Dark Candies.

Alright, let's go see what bullshit the desperate tutorial salesman has for us.

Ah, yes, because this group of suspicious individuals don't look ready to ambush us.

ROUXLS KAARD. The surname is obviously a reference to cards, but everything else about this name screams "anagram". DARK SOUL ARX? AR DARXOULS? SOUR KLAXARD?

I love how there are tutorial guys for Ralsei and Susie, and the way they barely know what they're talking about. Is the last one for Kris? ...yep.

Oh, nice, Kris Master and Ralsei point out the thing I found out earlier about sparing on the same turn.

So there are two paths that both seem to keep going. One with a puzzle, and one with an encounter. I saw the puzzle and went back to the encounter... Hm. Let's try the puzzle too.

Ahh, it's something you're not meant to be able to do unless you've been to a later section of the game. So either you'll be able to go back here later, or you're supposed to use meta knowledge from a previous playthrough. Then again, I kind of suspect what the order is anyway. If I'm right, I won't go on through, because I'm not supposed to see this yet, but I want to try it out.

Alright, looks like it's not the standard order of the suits. Fair enough, that'd be too easy. Even if the input is a puzzle in itself.

I have to do the encounter again?

Well, I made a few mistakes this time, so Susie killed one of the Rudinns.

"When you step into the light, you'll return to where you were before." I don't think it's talking about home. Avoid the glowing tiles, got it.

Hm. Easier said than done. Right, I should probably run.

Can I switch to the lane that's fading before the light fades in on the lane I'm on? ...yes! Puzzle solved.

Apparently the effect of the light only applies to Kris.

Is that a bucket, Lancer? Ew.

Oh great, it's literally to put bodily fluids in. Toby knows exactly what he's doing here.

Oh cod, he's asking for an official name. Ralsei, don't you dare say Delta Warriors.

"Blue person"... how did I not notice that Kris is still blue?

Alright, so I get descriptions of the papers. Definitely not going for the neat paper, which is obviously Ralsei. So my choices are to let Susie name the team, or to let Lancer name it. Great.

Let's see what Susie's got.

Ahaha, he's not allowed to say it. Classy, Susie.

THE $!$! SQUAD

Cool, I'm down with that. Better than Delta Warriors. Well, not really, but still.

Tier-TWO swear words. What's tier one? Darn, heck, etc?

Collective dad? Does he think we're siblings?

No, Ralsei, we can not consider a different name.

(Lancer to Ralsei) "Yeah! How about I be in the Squad and YOU be the bad guy?" That's an interesting idea you've got there, Lancer.

I kinda trust Ralsei a bit more at this point, because he seems a lot like the non-evil iteration of Asriel, but I'm still not entirely sure. That could easily be a front.

"The power of The $!?  Squad shines within you." Ahahaha

So the Great Board is inhabited by chess people. I suppose maybe the Knight is from there? Or maybe that's just what Toby wants me to think. Now where have I heard a story about chess pieces and cards and a takeover from within before...

So what's this extremely dangerous thing? A card shredder?

Oh, a C.Round. Maybe we can keep Susie from killing this one.

Ah, fuck, it got promoted. Nice legs.

Hah, K.Round. As in King Round. Not sure what the C stood for.

That was a fun little fight. And now it seems it's time to explain to Susie that violence isn't always the best option.

Ahh, great. Switching sides because she's bad at heroing. Honestly, though, it really does suit her better.

Alright, now I'm in a forest, and there's a door with colorful flames. Interesting.

The door is for fast travel. Got it.

"We managed to fix this thingamajig up for you." Oh yeah, that's right, I found an empty doorframe earlier.

Oh jeez, they've practiced an alternating dia-monologue.

"Dark Jack Lancer"? Guess I was right about his card, then.

Ahaha, the Dark $!?  Squad! And it's Lancer who says it, too. Susie, you're a bad influence.

So there's a Rudinn asking me to help with a gift for a friend named Clover (I think I have an idea which suit she's aligned to). Sports, cute boys and trees? Well, I've got one of those things.

Salsa stump. Well, at least they're getting along.

I got a scarf that's apparently sharp enough to use as a weapon. Nice.

Oh hey, a puzzle based on the same input method as the post-game puzzle from before. I know how this works, so this shouldn't be too hard, what with the password being stated.

...yeah, that only requires clubs and a heart, that's super easy.

I like Bloxer.

Alright, so there's a dead end down here with two seemingly unreachable buttons in sight. Looks like a path-building puzzle.

There's a symbol puzzle meant to teach you how to mix the lower and higher suits. I managed to find the answer in two tries, before talking to any of the hint... beings.

...who were apparently one three-headed being. I may have just triggered a fight by not talking to them when I came back into the room after checking whether the answer was the same to the symbol puzzle I just passed in the room with Bloxer.

Oh! This is Clover. Hey, Clover, would you like a gift? I've got a cute boy here.

Let's talk about boys.

"Herselves". Cute.

Alright, bake sale time. We've got diamonds, hearts, and spades (run by The Dark $!?  Squad), but no clubs. Why not?

The Choco Diamond and the Hearts Donut each heal ??hp. The Choco Diamond sounds like it'll work better if given to certain characters. Maybe it heals more if the target is diamonds-aligned. Same going for the Hearts Donut on hearts-aligned characters. I should buy another Hearts Donut and test that on Kris and Ralsei.

Sure, I'll donate to the noble cause of kicking my ass too.

Did they just... do that so they could buy a Hearts Donut?

So to the west we have another fast travel door, and to the north there's... a martial arts dojo?

Oh, the smith! I just saw in the inventory that the Broken Cake is a key item that needs to be fixed by a master blacksmith. Guess it's time to do that.

Ahahaha the squeaky hammer sounds! And the cake was "fixed beyond recognition". I love this.

A topcake... can I wear it like a top hat? Is it armor?

Ah, no, but it is a 160 hp full party heal, single use. Good to keep in store, just like the butterscotch-cinnamon pie.

"(This cardboard stand is actually just a fake cardboard stand of a cardboard stand.)" Pfft. Glad we got that cleared up.

Hello, hungry hungry caterpillar.

Nice disguise, Lancer.

Oh, please tell me I get a choice of "the most evil thing I can imagine" here.

Oh fuck, this is even better.

Look, I know the duck face is "garbage", but I can't just NOT pick that one.

Tank body sounds good.

I'm torn between the sneaker shoes and the attractive wheels... I think I'll go with the sneakers. Wheels just make too much sense for the tank body.

Lancer: "Are you sure you're not evil?" Ralsei: "Er, no, I suppose we just have a knack for it." ...

Damn. The bird thing killed me and now I have to make my beautiful thrashing machine all over again.

"The darker it gets, the more you can see." That's familiar. Like the eye puzzle early on. What does it mean, thematically? That you have to see the darkness to truly understand the world?

I was right about the Hearts Donut. It heals Kris by 20 hp, but Ralsei by 50.

Alright, so a Rudinn just confirmed that Susie is considered a Lightner. Does that extend to Kris too?

The save point here names the room as "Before Maze". Way to spoil it, dude.

These villains are so ridiculously ineffectual. But how long is the Papyrus section of this game going to last? I didn't buy for a second that Lancer was even close to being the main antagonist, and now we've long since established the bigger threats (the King and the Knight).

Well, the maze was something. Ooh, machine time!

Aw, I didn't get to fight it. Fair enough.

Susie says our design sucked, so does that mean they've come up with another one?

Ralsei points out that Susie needs him and Kris to return home, but I don't think she WANTS to go home anymore.

Alright, defeat means friendship, huh? Bring it on.

Hah, trying to convince them not to fight is working on Lancer.

Ahahaha, Lancer blocked the pacification with his bike and the bike got tired.

Lancer, join OUR team! That way you can be a team with Susie even though she's joining back up with us! And then when Ralsei turns out to be evil, you can take his place as Prince from the Dark.

Pfft, poor Ralsei being tasked with making the track jackets.

Oh cod, no thanks, put those eyes back where they came from, Lancer, or so help me.

Lancer's Stool Forme is very useful.

Susie is SO into Lancer at this point.

I kinda like and kinda hate how Lancer just floats outside the path instead of following the rest of the party Earthbound-style.

It does seem like Kris is counted as a Lightner. I'm not sure how to feel about the whole "Darkners can't feel fulfilled unless they're helping Lightners" thing, though.

So this is very much the calm before the storm, where our protagonists are happy and content with being friends. What's going to shake this up?

Oh hey, it's Card Castle. Neat.

Lancer doesn't want us fighting people inside the castle. Is it for our sake, or for the sake of the people in there?

See ya, Lancer.

Well then. We've been captured.

So where's Susie?

Ate some moss and “mossed out” my HP. Nice. :P

Took me some time to realize that I had to continue talking to Ralsei to proceed.

Pfft. Classy, Susie.

I like the thing about thinking about what Susie's doing now to segue into a section where we semi-control her.

...alright, where we're tricked into thinking we can control her.

Especially the purple one, eh? Is that because she's especially dangerous, or because you care especially about her?

"It's fine, actually." Is it, Susie? "You don't have to say anything." This is becoming a trend for you. Making your conclusions and telling people not to bother saying things.

Lancer, you may want to explain yourself quickly, regardless of Susie's demands that you shut up. Your face is in danger.

He's attacking, but he's doing the Toriel thing where the attacks fan out. I wonder if there's a path in this game where you cause Lancer to accidentally kill Susie rather than let Susie kill Lancer. If things are going to get to that point.

These spades are better at dodging the heart than Toriel's flames were.

He's visibly trembling more with each attack.

Good, Susie. Good. Now put down the axe and listen to Lancer.

What, a lengthy elevator scene with no proper elevator music?

Susie is the best character in this thing, so far.

Card Castle, first floor. Time to pay attention to the order of the suits' rooms, I think.

"You are unbanned from free ham sandwich day" ahahaha

IT WORKED.

Alright, so diamonds first.

Club Sandwich, can be divided into three to heal the entire team. Cute.

So there's a disembodied voice that has trapped us in a room. "Thoust FOOLS!"

Oh hey, it's Rouxls Kaard, "thou're greatest adversary". Clearly also an adversary of grammar.

Shit, that puzzle looks really fucking hard, man.

So does the Royal Flush (bathroom) count as the spades room for the sake of the post-game puzzle?

Well, the third floor is clearly the Hearts floor, since there are Hathy here.

I just told Susie to flirt and it's beautiful.

Oh cod, it's so awkward that there's no need to even spare.

Well, that was definitely the Hearts room. Diamond, maybe Spades, then Hearts.

Clubs door, and now another room like the one we met Rouxls in. Time for another "puzzle"?

Hah! It's not even a different super easy puzzle, it's just a longer version of the earlier one!

I like the Clubs room.

Alright, there's the Spades room, so the Royal Flush doesn't count. Diamonds, Hearts, Clubs, Spades.

Oh my cod, Rouxls is a shopkeeper.

"decidedesteth"

Oh for the love of cod. He's got a K.Round too. :P

Ralsei thinks the crown looks different... is it a Q.Round?

Ahh. Rouxls is controlling it using the crown. Or so he claims.

Hah, tossing Ralsei at it. I like this plan.

Throne room. Time to meet the king?

What happened here? Lancer said he was going ahead to talk to the king. Did they end up fighting?

Hi, Lancer.

Wait, Lancer's dad was the Knight, not the King. Right? Or are the Knight and the King the same thing at this point, since the fourth king put the Knight in charge? Right, that's how it worked. So we're now seeing the talk Lancer was going to do.

Pfft. I like how the Knight/King is like "Oh, Lancer..."

What was that about "They care not for you", Mr. "I'll drop my son off the edge to let him splatter"?

I did not get a choice in whether to kneel or not. The characters made that choice on their own.

OOH, NICE BACKSTAB!

Ah, see, this is a guy I can believe when he claims to be the bad guy. Even if I'm still not fully sold on the idea that he's necessarily the final boss.

"Lightbringer"? "Your very existence goes against our own"? Interesting...

By the Knight's will... so this ISN'T the Knight?

Is Ralsei the Knight?

"You, that left us in the shadows, stripped of meaning..." Yeah, I think I was onto something earlier.

Ralsei probably isn't the Knight. His interactions with the King wouldn't make much sense that way.

The King seems to be indicating that he's worshipping the Knight instead of the Lightners.

The Knight made the second fountain? Maybe even the first?

The shadows of the fountains are creating a new world... for the Darkners...

I'm taking it that this is a survival fight, like Sans. I just need to let this guy exposit for a while.

Ahh, so it's not so much that it's making a literal new world as that it's darkening the existing world. An apocalypse which he believes to be in favor of the Darkners.

"Enough talk"? Was I wrong?

The King seems to be getting less confident.

And he ended the battle.

His... cape just flew away?

So he's asking for a peaceful solution now. Alright, sure.

I don't like the sound effects here. They sound too much like someone's about to get killed. Maybe the cape flew off to tell the Knight about the King's failure/betrayal?

Honestly, the King just seems to be dying without anyone actually hurting him.

Nice, yes, good work healing him, Ralsei. Let's just hope he wasn't faking it just to get that heal.

...yep.

"You can't even say?" Nice echo of what Susie said at the start.

"Let me tell you a secret." We're echoing the whole scene, huh? But somehow, I don't think "All bark and no face-bite" applies to the King.

Susie FTW.

"But THEY might." Who's "they"? Kris? And maybe Ralsei? Or are we bringing in other characters?

*crazy glue voice* get him

"Now I'M the dad!!!" Uh, Lancer, I don't think that's how it works.

And now we're getting Ralsei contemplating whether kindness is always the solution after all, since his healing the king almost fucked everything. Nice. Character growth all around.

Wait, Ralsei, why are you staying behind? I thought you claimed we needed you too to stop the fountain?

Nice try, Susie. I know you want to talk to Lancer.

See? Lancer sees right through you.

Hiya, Asriel! What's up?

Not gonna explain that, huh?

So, uh, did Kris's soul just leave their body to fuse with the fountain?

Aaand we're in the supply closet. Alright.

Wait, no, this is an unused classroom.

...menu's back to the Undertale style.

Let's try calling home.

Alright, so some time has passed. It's after school. Don't think going to tell Alphys you couldn't find the chalk is going to work, Susie.

Toriel is sweet. Though it's a little sad that the word "friend" makes her give Kris a free pass, because it implies she's surprised that they've gained one.

Playing cards and chess... Legos... Fuck, this is lending some serious credence to the dream idea, much in the same way a lot of things in Over The Garden Wall reflect what's seen in episode 9. But like there, I'd say this was probably a certain degree of real.

The room we ended up in is to the right of the supply closet.

Sure, go back there tomorrow... if you can.

The supply closet is locked now.

Hey, I found Asriel's/Frisk's/the brother's locker. And Kris's.

Ooh, Toriel's classroom!

The clock has been updated to 10 PM in Toriel's classroom, but in Alphys', it still says 2 PM.

I can visit the Librarby, neat.

So is the game over now, or will we be seeing the return to the Dark Kingdom?

Hah, found Toby. I'm aware that this is only supposed to be a teaser, so I guess it'll deliver on the promise that you'll be able to go into the computer lab in the full game.

Books written by Undertale characters, nice.

UNDYNE

Wait, Asgore's kid? Kris is Asgore's kid?? Or, wait, wasn't it Undyne who couldn't tell Asgore and Toriel apart? No, that was Papyrus. So this raises the whole alternate universe question again. Who the fuck is Kris?

Undyne claims not to know who Alphys is.

...who's the mayor?

I found a door to a bunker or something that makes spooky sounds. This feels like plot.

Gerson's dead, among a couple others who may or may not be characters we know.

At least Gerson being dead rules out this happening before Undertale, in the same timeline.

Burgerpants!

So Azzy's in college.

"Things happened" in Kris's family before Asriel left. Asgore and Toriel separating?

SANS

Sans is new in town, and has never met Kris. Kris, say hello to your future stepfather.

And he wants Kris to hang out with Papyrus. I'm all for this.

(I'm also all for finding a save point so I can go to bed.)

Asgore x Alphys???

So Alphys watches a Simpsons knockoff and has an imaginary cat named MewMew. The alternate universe theory intensifies.

Apparently Asgore runs a flower shop.

Aww, that hug was adorable.

Containers containing flowers instead of souls...

Time for bed.

Umm. Kris. You, uh. Kinda need that soul.

So, uh, the Chara option is still available...

Well then! That was Deltarune chapter 1. I'm gonna write a wrap-up tomorrow, because it's way too late now and I need to go to bed in real life. Good night!

...Alright, hello again! It's been about 17.5 hours since I finished Deltarune chapter 1, and in that time, I've been thinking a bit. I think I've come up with a decent theory about what's going on with the world of the Lightners in relation to Undertale:

I don't think this is post-pacifist. I think this is post-genocide.

"Oh, but many of the characters you kill on the genocide route are alive, and monsters seem to live on the surface!"

Here's the thing: At the end of the genocide route, you meet Chara, who talks about wanting to "erase this pointless world and move on to the next". The choice they give you is fake, both options end in you, the player, being killed, ending the game. What I'm suggesting is that Chara did just that: Erased the world and moved on to the next. That "next" world is the world of Deltarune.

Chara isn't entirely physical, so they need a vessel, like Frisk was in Undertale. That's why they're taking control of Kris, and throwing out Kris's soul (hey, look who managed to guess that their soul would leave their body, even if I didn't guess how). I'm not sure whether Chara was already partially possessing Kris at the beginning and just decided it was time to get rid of that annoying soul right at the end. The soul being the culmination of one's being and the center of emotion... Identity and emotion seemed to be fairly low in Kris from the start - maybe Chara had to weaken the soul before they could toss it out and take proper control?

There's also the player to deal with, though. Chara knows we're here - you can tell from the way they glance at the fourth wall after taking control - so I wonder if they'll let us continue controlling their vessel, Kris. Then again, in Undertale, Chara seemed to consider that a good thing, but what if the player continues to steer Kris towards pacifism?

Meanwhile, the world of the Darkners is still largely a mystery. They seem to be a remnant of the Underground's essence in some way, but who knows if monsters ever lived underground in this world?

A lot about the Dark Kingdom adventure in chapter 1 mirrors Undertale. In fact it very much feels like discount Undertale. (Which I suppose is fair considering this game does in fact cost 100% less than Undertale.) I wonder if any of it was Chara's work, whether Kris knew it or not?

This chapter of the game is deceptively simple, but there really is a lot to think about here.

All in all... The game wasn't quite as good as Undertale, though it had its share of funny and/or heartfelt moments, and it did good stuff with the characters of Susie and Lancer. I like the introduction of a party system due to its effect on character dynamics, and the battle graphics were a huge step up.

I suppose I shouldn't expect Deltarune chapter 1 to hold up to the whole of Undertale. The full version has a hell of a lot to live up to, but I'm optimistic about it. I think it can at least get close. And with Chara getting visibly involved, I have a feeling things are only going to get more interesting from here.

In conclusion: Fuck Berdly.

[mythicaldemigoddess-of-deltarune]

The Great Papyrus’s Twin Brother Palatino (2022)

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Credit for Deltarune & Undertale goes to Toby Fox

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 this might be a weird theory, but I believe Papyrus might be a twin.

and if his twin brother who looks and sounds like him had a name,

it would be Palatino, which weirdly enough reminds me of “Valentino”

which makes me think of the song Valentino by Years & Years And MNEK.

the first time I heard that song was on a fan animation of Hazbin Hotel, which seeing as Valentino character was in the fan animation, it would fit him so well.

he gets you under his spell, and you wont realize that your under his spell until it’s too late....the same could be said if the song matched Ozzie from Helluva Boss...

anyway Palatino’s scarf, gloves, boots and even the spiked wrist bands on his writes, are all red....

and well apparently his jacket is red too, even if the color on it is suppose to be red, and the paint I use on the computer does say it’s red, but the color of the jacket seems more of a orange.

Palatino is suppose to have that “Bad Boy” look to him, and if he had a Underfell Counterpart, then they would have that “Good Boy” look instead.

 the one who calls us when we are in the room with the flower seeds and bell, as well as the secret room where you can get to by using the flower seeds to go get what’s under the bench...

we can still think it was Papyrus, but what if it was his twin brother, and after the whole pretend date with Alphys (who only went on a date with the Player/Frisk out of pity.)

Papyrus will end up calling the Player, or so it would appear to be him.

but what if it is someone pretending to be him, like his possible twin brother.

 if Lancer can secretly be a Quadruplet, then Papyrus could secretly be a twin.

also if there was a version of Palatino in Underswap, he would most likely not end up being Papyrus’s twin, and would not look like him.

but instead would be Underswap’s Precious Blueberry Muffin’s Twin instead.

like he would look just like Sans and still have the whole “Bad Boy” look and possibly have a different name and not be called Palatino.

this drawing has to do with a Fan Headcanon and Theory about Papyrus,

how he is secretly a twin and the one who is half the time hiding in the closet is his twin brother, but when his twin isn’t in the closet, then Papyrus himself would be in the said closet.....we know what that can mean, although now it wouldn’t just mean the whole romantic interest of someone who is either Bi, Pan, Queer, Lesbian, Vincian, Enbian or Other.

the closet can also be for gender identity as well as the whole new found religious belief....

the being in the closet can have different meanings.

 I guess if others would want to draw Papyrus’s Twin Brother Palatino, they can, so long as they give the proper credit of course....

not sure if there would be many that would even want to draw him though.

but I think if Papyrus does have a twin brother, maybe he will have the same name that was originally going to be Papyrus’s name and have his original personality as well, which means that Papyrus’s twin brother would have very little or no redeeming qualities.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Retro-Papyrus would be the brother we are waiting for in Deltarune, well maybe....or he could look like that younger version of Papyrus that we see in the Memoryhead in the true lab that’s in Undertale.

I can’t be the only one who notice what appears to be a younger Papyrus that is part of the Memoryhead, and I think the Memoryhead might be a bad memory that belongs to Papyrus but was taken out of him to protect him from the trauma that caused the Bad Memory in the first place.

I guess those who didn’t notice before, and I sure didn’t before...

would have to look really close at the Memoryhead to find the head that looks like a younger version of Papyrus.

maybe that will be how he will look in Deltarune.

I also have a theory about Sans, besides my agreeing on the theory that he is technically Steven Universe, because his name is hidden in Steven Quartz Universe’s name.

 the theory being that half the time in the game, it isn’t Sans we aren’t talking to, but someone who is disguising as him, the times when it is Sans is when he takes us to Grillby’s.

 anyway if Papyrus does have a twin brother, he is likely a big secret and would probably have a different name from Palatino.

I’m still gonna see Lancer as being a Quadruplet, and the fact his Dad forgot that he is a Quadruplet as well as the whole King being too lazy to give his Quadruplet sons different names, so he named them all Lancer.

anyway this drawing has to do with the theory about Papyrus being a twin, but not everyone has to agree about that theory that there is someone who looks and sounds like Papyrus but with a different name and personality, but can put on a act to pretend to be Papyrus, but some actions they do could give it away.

 not sure if I will draw this guy again, but who knows, maybe I will draw him again in the future.

but if some are interested in drawing him, that’s fine.

so long as there is form of credit.                                                                

[allesiathehedge]

do you ever feel like comic creators force frisk to be gender neutral? the reason that they were gender neutral in UT was so the player could relate more to them. but in comics, frisk usually has an established personality, and when someone does gives frisk a gender, lots people get angry (based on my experience). I feel like people make them Gen. Neutral because toby fox said they are, but when it comes to comics, gender neutrality feels forced, unless the comic is about it. what do u think?

... You could tell that I’m kinda one of those artists who force that gender neutral into our artwork. I’m not saying it’s wrong doing it, but I actually preferred to leave that. I’m not usually into big debates like others and would rather not waste my time with dumb guys, so that’s why, at least not after I’ve been assaulted by plenty of angry people out of nowhere when I made that mini comic with UT Sans and Frisk shortly after the game’s release. And how some dared removing the caption just because I chose a gender? Pathetic.

By the way Toby Fox clearly said Frisk’s gender is ambiguous and that it’s up to anyone to choose a gender. I don’t know how everyone missed that important point! >.> Then again, nobody really seems to realize the difference between canon and fanmade interpretation.

[undertalegangblog]

Undertale Frisk (Something To Point Out)

 Okay saw something very offensive and let me just point this out so everyone could understand about the character Frisk. Why is this such an issue to deal with? People really?!  First off I'm sorry to well... being a bit sarcasm it's just I haven't been feeling well and people are just going at me for no reason at all. Maybe they can sense I'm not feeling good and then they wonder why I'm lashing out at them. So whatever let's get to the point.  Well first off getting on Tumblr and Camila had a rudely comment about this and I thought well... they are one of those people who doesn't have a sense about the game itself or how people see Frisk as or understand to why people make Frisk's gender for. Camila if your reading this please not I love your animation but that note you stated really offended me and I have to make this clear that you hurt me a whole lot. I hope you apologize for what you did if not... eh... I really don't care just one of those people I guess.  First off we all know that Frisk's gender is a nongender right? Well if you guys been following me on her or watch me well... you can see that I see Frisk as a girl. No, I don't ship Frisk with any canon characters like Sans, Papyrus, or Asriel. That's just uh... weird but I don't say anything to others who do. I leave that up to them I mean it is their idea and if they want to go through it let them. That's what Toby Fox would want and have us do. I'm sure. Now I know people like Camila see Frisk as a boy and that's fine. I don't care because there is no right or wrong of Frisk's gender. There was a great advice from someone I subscribe to YouTube and watch her here about this idea. And I'm going to requote it in my own words.  It doesn't matter how you imagine Frisk's gender to be it's up to the person playing the game to decide if they want to see Frisk as a girl, boy, or nongender character. It's completely up to them. Now I hope this message to get across people's head so this nonsense debate about Frisk's gender will be over! I mean it's stupid! Even with Chara's gender people are fighting or putting others down of how they see Chara's gender as. I'm like it's just a game it doesn't matter how you see Chara or Frisk as!  As I always had said if someone makes a Undertale story with their own idea then it's completely is an AU of Undertale being born. The one I love that I always enjoy and makes so much sense is Abystale that has multiple AU but the storyline makes sense and there are different types of AU out there to be uncovered. Yes, there are some AUs that we don't like or don't make sense but... hey you know I just completely don't say anything mean or rude about it I just don't look into it. I'm an AU freak to be truthful mostly of Undertale. Of course, I make some up mostly with Undertale and TNBC crossover AU type but... it shouldn't be where people judge on how people make their stories or whatnot.  Just so you know I mostly make Frisk as a girl just to make thing easy for me as a writer. It's hard for me to know when Frisk is used as "they" or "them" because it's confusing to know if I'm talking about Frisk or I'm talking about a group of characters. So since I see Frisk as female (please don't say oh because you ship her with Sans or other canons hell no! I have my own OC I ship with Frisk but this isn't the topic) it's a lot easy to use Frisk as "she" and "her" so I know I'm talking about Frisk. Plus I kinda got so used to calling Frisk as a girl is a natural thing for me to do.  Okay with that said uh... hope this message gets across and if it does come to you Camila I hope you do apologize to those like me seeing Frisk as a girl. That was no way or a place to be rude like that. Besides it doesn't matter how you see Frisk or Chara as it's just how you imagine what gender those two are is up to you. Nobody else.  Well, I'm done and uh... yes for those who notice my behavior been kinda changing I want to say I'm sorry for it just... well a bit of family troubles and a little of depression doesn't really help me and people are seeming beaming after me so much it's unbelievable.

Churros! Adios! See Ya! Have A Good Day!

Originally by: @blackcatstudio

[paradiddle-taradiddle]

ahh i reblogged off the wrong post

here’s the old artbook:

here’s the new one!:

plus i don’t really think what @mamaito​ said is really true, they/them isn’t only used for one who’s gender is ambiguous. anyone can choose to adopt they/them pronouns if they wish to, regardless if they’re still figuring themselves out or if they know without a doubt they’re non-binary

regardless if kris is non-binary, since i’m not entirely sure if toby fox has ever commented on it, it’s good to note that gender and pronouns are kinda different. while they/them is great as a neutral pronoun, maybe some non-binary people just think that other pronouns fit them better, or not use pronouns at all.

so, maybe kris’s gender is actually up to interpretation, if you want to look at it that way, even if i interpret it as non-binary much like how frisk only used they/them pronouns in undertale and chara used they/them and it/its, even if it was only one instance that was obscure. 

but regardless of kris’s gender, the game and toby both took care to use they/them pronouns, and the above photos show that toby is deliberate with these kinda things. 

so even if kris’s gender was indeed up to interpretation, using the wrong pronouns by itself...still leads to erasure

kris' gender isn't up for interp bro, Toby fox has corrected ppl who call them a he or she

Where's your proof? Hand it over.

[daisyofspadeslancersbrother]

UNDERTALE + DELTARUNE RP

Please comment all passwords to get in!

 Themes may include:

-Violence

-Friendship

-Heartbreak

-Romance (of all genders)

-Some language

-Lots of blood

-Determination!

 Are you a fan of Toby Fox’s Undertale and Deltarune games? Then here’s a fun crossover of both of the games. I love these games and such! I will allow ocs as well as the main characters (even some of the side and background characters!).

If you understand, please comment, “I'M UNDYNE AND I'M PILING ON THE SMOOCHES!”

 Plot~

The light world and dark world has been connected for millions of centuries. After the time of Deltarune, the light and dark world have been both opened, for people to explore both as they like. Daisy, the forgotten sister of Lancer, has been brought along this journey for a bit. But as she joins, the darkness of the world that had once been dead has decided to slowly come back. Can she help her brother and his friends defeat the darkness, or will she give into the darkness and turn against them? Find out!

 If you understand, please comment, “Stay determined!”

 Rules~

1. Please know the games! If you have to research, let me know. I may make a Facebook group to organize and have all the information on characters and places and plot and gameplay and such for any members that may not know too much about the games.

2. Please be respectful of everyone!

3. I know there’s a lot of characters I’m listing so don’t feel like we have to fill up all the roles. I’d like to fill at least all of the main characters at least.

4. Play as many characters as you can handle!

5. If you make ocs, please make sure they are like the characters (like what they look like). If you are making any oc of a character that is made, please notify the person that is playing the role to let them know about it!

6. Bio is recommended and not required.

7. Ships are allowed. This being said, if you have one with a character, no stealing ships or being mad that the ship you have made (playing the game, watching gameplay, making fanfics, etc.) doesn’t work out to how you’ve planned.

8. This group is LGBTQ friendly. LGBTQ ships are allowed and encouraged!

9. Killing is allowed but please notify others if you want to kill off their character!

10. No being mean to me (the owner) and the admins. No blocking us and such! What we say goes. If you don’t like that, you’ll be REMOVED!

11. Have fun, make friends, and STAY DETERMINED!

 If you understand, please comment, “It’s just a duck?”

 Characters~

Undertale:

[MAIN] Frisk- Open

[MAIN] Flowey- TAKEN 

[MAIN] Toriel- TAKEN 

[MAIN] Sans- TAKEN 

[MAIN] Papyrus- TAKEN

[MAIN] Undyne- Open

[MAIN] Alphys- TAKEN

[MAIN] Mettaton- TAKEN

[MAIN] Asgore- TAKEN

[MAIN] Asriel- TAKEN 

[MAIN] Chara- TAKEN

Nice Cream Guy- Open

Gerson- Open

Bratty- Open

Catty- Open

Burgerpants- Open

Monster Kid- TAKEN

River Person- Open

Dummy- Open

Froggit- Open

Whimsum- Open

Loox- Open

Vegetoid- Open

Migosp- Open

Moldsmal- Open

Napstablook- Open

Snowdrake- Open

Ice Cap- Open

Lesser Dog- Open

Chilldrake- Open

Gyftrot- Open

Doggo- Open

Dogamy- Open

Dogaressa- Open

Greater Dog- Open

Glyde- Open

Jerry- Open

Mad Mew Mew- Open

Aaron- Open

Woshua- Open

Moldbygg- Open

Shyren- Open

Mad Dummy- Open

Glad Dummy- Open

Temmie- Open

Muffet- Open

Vulkin- Open

Tsunderplane- Open

Pyrope- Open

So Sorry- Open

Royal Guards- Open

Whimsalot- Open

Astigmatism- Open

Madjick- Open

Knight Knight- Open

Memory Head- Open

Endogeny- Open

Reaper Bird- Open

Lemon Bread- Open

Snowdrake’s Mother- Open

Modessa- Open

Parsnik- Open

Migospel- Open

Annoying Dog- Open

W. D. Gaster- TAKEN

 Deltarune:

[MAIN] Kris- TAKEN

[MAIN] Ralsei- Open

[MAIN] Susie- Open

[MAIN] Lancer- Open

[MAIN] King- Open

[MAIN] Jevil- TAKEN

[MAIN] Rouxls Kard- Open

[MAIN] Seam- Open

[MAIN] Noelle- Open

Bloxer- Open

C. Round- Open

Clover- Open

Hathy- Open

Head Hathy- Open

Jigsawry- Open

King Round- Open

Mallius- Open

Ponman- Open

Rabbick- Open

Rudinn- Open

Catti- Open

Jockington- Open

Monster Kid- Open

Snowy- Open

Temmie- Open

Dad Cat- Open

Father Alvin- Open

Purple Guy- Open

 If you’ve gotten this far, comment, “The power of the forest shines within you.”

 Please make sure you’ve read through the entirety of the post and understand everything! Also, this is on my Facebook, so you have to have a Facebook as well (most of it is on the app, Messenger but I use a Facebook group to just organize and such)