#to be clear i love wwdits but i had no stakes

[apocalypse-gang]

Explain how Klave & WWDITS blows Destiel/SPN out of the water

They're actually good shows.

Okay really though I did explain it in another reblog of that post but I have more. Part of it is... they shows still has queer characters to begin with. No hints, it's on screen, and they aren't (permanently) killing them.

With TUA, you can make the arguement "Oh Dave is dead" but... it's done well imo? With the first s1, It didn't feel like a bury your gays situation. It was more that he is a character who died who is also gay. He is a character who died in a drama show where a lot of people died. He didn't die because he was the gay character on a show and it was a gay tragedy. It felt more like a tragedy that happened to be not straight.

It would be different if he was the only gay character, but Klaus was openly queer before and after meeting and losing Dave. The show has more gay characters (and yes she was separated from her love, but so were her straight siblings.). (And s2 definitely goes into the homophobia Dave dealt with as someone who didn't know himself but I'm thinking more about s1). I get not everyone being comfortable with it and that's valid, and I am not going to say criticism of it are bad or wrong.

And he isn't forgotten, either, which is often the point of bury your gays. He's a casualty is a war many were pointlessly killed in, he's wasn't killed because of his love for Klaus, and he's in a drama where many die and the stakes are high. His loss is felt, his presence is felt. And he and Klaus had a real, loving relationship. He motivates Klaus. And I also know we aren't done with his character. We don't know what will happen between the two of them in the future. But it is a drama and it's gonna get worse before it gets better for the whole Hargreeves gang.

What We Do in the Shadows is a comedy, but like the tension between it's characters (who are all either gay or bi) is there. The main characters have been with people of the same gender and continue to be. They now have two character with more tension than the married couple. And they have already started exploring that in s2 and have showed within their s2 finale they will continue exorong it more and more.

For s3 they've mentioned Nandor is going to be looking for love. He may find it Guillermo? Who knows. I don't even know if I want that ship, but I feel the tension and I don't think it's going to be ignored. We see Nandor is trying to be better at caring for Guillermo and Guillermo demanding better treatment for him. We see Nandor treat Guillermo leaving like a break, nd then he later confess how much he cares about the man. Something is there, and it will be slowburn. But it's not gonna take 12 years for the question to be answered. If they get together they get together, if their tension is resolved in another way? Great.

I'm also gonna say at the end of the day, it is also the vibe I get from the show. I can feel what the intention is. And with Supernatural, the intention is clear. It's not for the drama or good tragedy. It's bad writing and homophobia.