#tim is a fucking insane person like legit crazy. he's INSANE
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throwing these here bc ALL OF THIS ALL OF THIS FFS
New plan, I am outsourcing my Batfam anti fanon list! Please reblog, comment or tag with the Batfam fanons that make you want to tear your hair out and grind your teeth to dust! I’ll start: I absolutely cannot stand the fanon that Tim was constantly left home alone as a small child. And if you ever mention the idea that Jason was anything but a good, smart kid who enjoyed school I will bite you
#also: i cannot fucking STAND the fanony bullshit where tim is this like soft little bottom baby#tim is a fucking insane person like legit crazy. he's INSANE#he's so fucking manipulative and wack and nearly killed himself trying to prove bruce wasn't dead and a whole bunch of other shit#and he's possessive and he's fucking crazy. stop pretending he's an uwu soft boy who's never done wrong he's like#bro he's like three wrong steps away from jumping ship and committing literal atrocities#also the one where damian has “adult in a child's body” syndrome. stop that.#he's a kid and he ACTS LIKE ONE quite a lot of the time shut the fuck up alright#fanon where jason has never done anything wrong#fanon where dick is a lovable airhead rather than a traumatized and stoic leader#(don't even get this one???? like??? dick is NOTHING like fanon what the fuck guys)#anything from wfa lol#i think that's the majority of it but god. god do i hate fanon#reblog#Bat Clan
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These Batboys gotta chill
Hi guys! This imagine was requested and I overestimated how fast I can type. So it may seem a little crappier than the other Batboy imagines. It is basically the batboys being protective of they S/O . I hope you guys enjoy and be sure to send in some requests!
Bruce: This guy is OVER protective of you. I’m talking, personal chauffeurs, body guards (when he isn’t around) and a tracer on you at all times. He has to be like this because he is a very wealthy business man who gets targeted all the time. You don’t love all this extra security and you can’t get a minute to yourself. But you appreciate it. There was a time you got “attacked” by somebody who was in love with Bruce, I mean who wouldn’t be? When he heard what happened he made sure they were apprehended and he hired a whole new security team.
“Bruce, it’s fine. You don’t have to press charges.”
“No. I won’t have this conversation. You could of gotten hurt or worse.”
“Babe, leave it”
“I’m not going to. I can’t live with myself if anything happens to you”
Whenever you guys are together he does not have to worry because he knows he can protect you because he’s Batman! However one thing that he does have to worry about is all the people trying to hit on you. Because damn.. you always be looking like a snack. Cue his resting “i’m going to kill you if you don’t back off” face. He’ll usually give you exactly 30 seconds to handle it by yourself. Usually that will make the offender back off but on the rare occasion it doesn’t, expect him to be extra touchy with you. It’ll start off with a arm around your waist and then him holding you against him. This will finally get the guy or girl to back off.
For example:
Some dude or dudette: “Hey there, I saw you looking at me across the bar and you are really sexy”
You: “Umm. Im sorry but I think you might have got the wrong impr-“
Some dude or dudette: “Whatever, can I get your number?”
Bruce: “I don’t think you let her/him finish. They were about to tell you to get out of here” *signature bat glare*
Some dude or dudette: “Oh um.. yeah bye.”
You: “I could of handled it, you don’t have to butt in to every-mmrgh” he cuts you off by planting a very passionate kiss on your lips.
Apart from his overprotectiveness this dude is pretty chill and I think he would let you have your freedom but still have you under a watchful eye.
Dick: Bro… he goes 0 to 100 real quick. He may seem all sunshine and unicorns but he has a dark side that is usually uncovered when he needs to protect you. For starters he hates it if you go out alone because you could get mugged, after all this is Gotham. This happened a couple of times but you do have a great right hook, so bye bye bad guys. You may have come home with cuts and bruises, he immediately started babying you and swearing revenge in whatever dick wads did this to you. He gave you a taser gun so you could get whatever shit you needed done faster. Even after teaching you self defense and equipping you with some weapons he still follows you from the top of the buildings during patrol.
The first time this happened you wanted to have fun with him so you sarcastically stated “Oh my god help! I’m being stalked by a spandex clad idiot”. He started laughing and dropped down in front of you. “Hey! I may be in spandex, but I am no idiot” he stated offendedly. Chuckling he pulled you into an embrace and gave you a kiss on your forehead. It was a cute and cuddly moment but got interrupted by a buzz from his comms. “I gotta go angel” he says into your hair. Sigh. “Okay, go kick ass my spandex clad idiot”. He scoffs and disappears into the night.
When you guys are out in pubs he always makes sure that you are next to him. His hand never leaves your waist throughout the night. But as usual some drunk dude comes around asking for your number. Dick won’t even allow you to say one word because he will already be giving threats to this dude.
“Ay ma lemme get that number!”
“Back off before I shove my foot up your ass”
“Jeez, chill. Yo girl you better restrain your man”
You usually have to hold him back from starting a fight with anyone who even glances your way.  (now all I can think about is him aggressively dancing and giving murderous looks to whoever looks at you… I’m dead) Sure, it’s cute but it gets annoying after some time because he never let’s loose afterwards however his love for you kinda cancels things out.
Jason: He’s a pretty chill dude when it comes to people hitting on you because he knows you can handle it pretty well. However he doesn’t tolerate it if anybody gets physical, for example if anybody touches you inappropriately and you are visibly uncomfortable. When it ever come to it he will stalk up towards whomever it may be and give them hell. First he will shoot them murderous looks from beside you or he will push them back and start a fight with them. Once it got so bad that the other guy ended up with a black eye and broken nose. Jason didn’t allow you to go out alone (at night) anywhere after that.
“Back off, they are clearly uncomfortable”
“Dude, chill they ain’t saying nothing”
“Get off of them before I punch you right in the nose”
And the rest is history.
Whenever he comes back from a long patrol and is exhausted he will be sure to collapse right on top of you and smother you with love just to make sure your alive because of the tragic things he see and experiences out there. His favorite position is with you sitting down and his head resting on your chest with your legs spread apart. This is because he can clearly hear you heart beating. There is no need to communicate, you guys are so in sync now that you know exactly how one another is feeling and what they need. (kinda like sims.. hehe)
Sometimes he has horrible nightmares with you becoming a victim to Jokers games. He always wakes up in a cold sweat and a beating heart, but when he realizes your steady breathing next to him he immediately becomes relaxed.
Since his job as Red Hood include making a lot of enemies and some may know his identity because he used to be “Arkham Knight”, he equips you with guns and knives. You have learnt a bunch of self defense techniques with his help and could pretty much become a vigilante. But he would never let that happen, you’re too precious.
Tim: When it comes to people hitting on you he wouldn’t even remotely know how to handle it. He’s such a cinnamon bun that he would let you handle it. Only if you ever really needed help and looked really uncomfortable will he become quite aggressive. Once you guys were at Bruce’s gala and a guy wouldn’t stop stalking you and you couldn’t really go anywhere without him needing to start a conversation with you. So Timmy boy came over and gave this guy a piece of his mind. After that outburst he immediately looked at you wondering if he handled the situation appropriately, but considering the guests expression it was a no. Honestly who the fuck cares because he took you both home for a comfortable night with Netflix and popcorn.
“Tim, thanks for that save back at the gala”
“No problem (Y/N), I will always be there to protect you”
*cue your cuddle session or make out session you preference*
Just like his brothers he make sure to teach you some fighting techniques and deck you out with some gear. He would always ask you to keep a tracer with you because he doesn’t wasn’t to ever lose you. He isn’t crazy overprotective like his dad but he still keeps a close eye on you. He makes sure that you get your freedom and free time but usually he becomes sad without his ball of energy near him all the time. But he always keeps your needs as priority numero uno.
“Babe, Im going out with my friends”
“Really? Now? Make sure to keep the tracer in you purse, don’t drink to much and take care of yourself. Call me if you need anything”
“Okay, mom”
“Seriously (Y/N), I need you to be safe”
“I will, I’m not the one who puts their life in dangerous every single night. Love you”
Damian: He’s just like his old pops when it comes to being protective. But he is so much more  stricter. He has a certain set of rules that he expects you to follow. This includes don’t go out late at night, carry a weapon at all times, make sure you inform him where you are at all the time, blah blah blah. Do you follow them all the time… hell no. Gosh you would go absolutely insane.
His reaction: He gets mad… whats new? You make it up to him and he becomes better. But he won’t let it pass if you brought it upon yourself. Like once you were mad at Damian and you went to a friends party at the club. You tried to make him jealous by grinding upon some poor innocent soul. First he locked eyes with you and gave you a warning. You ignored him and let things escalate, he walked over and that person almost shit their pants because Damian whispered some pretty scary things to them.
“Damian, I’m sorry.”
“(Y/N), you can’t expect me to forgive you. You completely betrayed my trust and did something that almost made me kill someone.”
“Look, how can I make it up to you. I will do any-“
“It doesn’t matter. What matters is that you are always safe”
Ugh he can be so infuriating and smart that it annoys you. But you can see the truth to what he is saying so you start following what he says as long as you can still have your freedom. Whenever he has nightmares about you, he usually wakes you up so he can talk about it with someone. Sometimes he may even break down crying and that’s totally fine but it’s so heartbreaking because he loves you so much and will do legit anything to protect you.
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Each week, members of the Place to Be Nation staff come together to watch a professional wrestling show from the past as a group. As they watch and interact, they also track their grades and overall thoughts in various categories along the way. We will regularly be bringing you their output here in a variety of projects and entries.
Anarchy Rulz 1999 (Viewed October 4, 2018)
Card: Jerry Lynn vs. Lance Storm Jazz vs. Tom Marquez Chris Chetti & Nova vs. Simon Diamond & Tony DeVito Super Crazy vs. Taijiri vs. Little Guido Sabu vs. Justin Credible Masato Tanaka vs. Mike Awesome vs. Taz – ECW World Title Match Tommy Dreamer & Raven vs. Rhino & Steve Corino – ECW Tag Team Title Match Rob Van Dam vs. Balls Mahoney – ECW TV Title Match
What Worked
JT Rozzero: Tanaka’s outfit is so very 1998; Dawn Marie hache mache; Smarmy Lance Storm showing some bravado and personality was cool to see; Storm working Jerry Lynn’s ribs; Baller Jazz; Classic ECW flowing from one match into another bridged by a quick angle; Danny Doring’s bomb ass pink tights; New Jack wrecking shit; Big Fucking Sal E; Give me Tajiri vs. Crazy vs. Guido all day; Crazy’s perfect moonsault into the crowd; The ref working so hard to get Guido’s dead body out of the ring; Tajiri is amzing; Sabu just doing whatever the fuck he wants to his body and Credible’s; Credible getting splattered across a table and just sliding down in a heap; The streamers for Tanaka were cool; Taz telling the fans to shut the fuck up and the wild build to Awesome getting added to the match; Taz gathering all the heat and then getting knocked out of the match right away and then walking away in near tears; The crowning of Awesome; The in depth recap of Dreamer vs. Raven; Francine smashing Jack Victory with a chair; Main event was fine but anticlimactic
Tyler Kelley: This is DIFFERENT than WWE’s been for 15ish years (different look, feel, pacing and style) and it’s a breath of fresh air. Lance Storm and Jerry Lynn have a really good technical opener. Tajiri kicking people’s fucking heads off. Tajiri/Super Crazy/Guido is a super smooth, fun match. Also, Tajiri’s brainbuster, and Tajiri overall, f’n rules. Sabu’s bat-shit crazy high-flyin’ crash and burn style and connection with the crowd. The on-the-fly addition of Mike Awesome to the title match giving you a feeling that anything can happen. Awesome and Tanaka killing themselves and each other for our viewing pleasure. Awesome looks like a motherfucking killer here (as opposed to the Fat Chick Thriller he became once the WCW marketing geniuses got a hold of him), Raven’s promo and the Raven-Dreamer video package, RVD looks like a huge star compared to everyone else on this PPV, RVD has the “It” factor.
Trent Williams: The team of Cyrus & Joey Styles on commentary, while Joey was great on his own for all those years it never hurts to have a second man in the booth to interact with and Cyrus was the perfect choice. Really good opener with two all time underrated talents. The international three way, because any match with Tajiri and Super Crazy going against each other is guaranteed to be good. The pre-match shenanigans with Taz and Mike Awesome. Taz leaving the promotion with class and the entire locker room coming out to thank him. Axl Rotten getting the fans to quit chanting “Fuck you Taz” and telling them to get on their feet for all Taz did for ECW. The crazy match Awesome and Tanaka put on after Taz was eliminated early. The video package recapping the Dreamer vs Raven feud. RVD getting a good match out of a guy that is usually nothing more than a brawling garbage wrestler. Majority of the show was really good and definitely the best show we have watched for the Live Watch Project yet.
Tim Slomka: First time I’ve ever watched a ECW PPV and what I got what I expected with crazy hardcore spots, booking as quick as possible, crazy crowd chants; Dawn’s dress; “Is there a real pair in the business” line; giving Tazz a quality send off (can’t think of another wrestler who go that who wasn’t retiring); Lita; Epic feel of title match, including most wrestlers on the ramp for it (this is my favorite thing); all the performers who really gave their bodies for ECW, some of the spots were stupid, this isn’t my cup of tea, but A+ for effort from these guys and girls – especially Jazz. Â
Jacob Williams: Hot opener with great fire, selling, and an overall crispness you don’t always get from ECW; Keeping the big garbage brawl pretty short; Overall solid commentary with some great Cyrus lines -”He could be Sal’s suppository”; Super Crazy’s beautiful moonsault into the crowd; All of Tajiri’s offense; ECW elimination rules for triple threat; Sabu/Justin Credible bringing some ECW ridiculousness to show; Epic feel of the ECW title match; Awesome being added last minute; The #hossfight after Taz is eliminated; Tanaka taking some insane bumps; Overall presentation and execution of the world title match; Bringing up years-old footage to build up Raven; RVD’s charisma
Stacey O’Loughlin: Lance Storm being near his peak here; Jerry Lynn selling the ribs; a Jazz sighting; the neverending tag team clusterfuck with the run ins; a Lita sighting; New Jack fucking shit up; Super Crazy and Tajiri working like madmen; Sabu being Sabu; the crazy ass ECW Title booking; Awesome and Tanaka continuing to try to murder each other; the nice Taz send off; skinny Steve Corino; young Rhino; JOEL GERTNER; the Dreamer/Raven recap; RVD being RVD; Balls getting to have a workrate match; the overall chaotic ECW feel; and above all, Jennifer Smith discovering ECW before our very eyes
Logan Crosland:Â Jerry Lynn and Lance Storm tearing it up in the opener; Cyrus and Joey are great on commentary; Two awesome three way matches; Taz got a great send off; Both of the garbage matches were short; RVD being over like rover; Raven/Dreamer rivalry recap
Neil Trama: Lance Storm’s RASSLIN; wild three-way-dance craziness; even more wild world championship three-way-dance craziness; Taz’s send off; Justin Credible, Rhino and skinny Steve Corino; RVD’s main event aura
Steve Riddle: CYRUS THE VIRUS!!, This felt like a big show for ECW just weeks after getting on national TV; this was easily Lance Storm’s best stretch sans his WCW run in 2000; gotta love the ECW crowds and their chants; Jazz is ECW’s version of Chyna on a smaller scale; Angelica looking good before she became Lita; Danny Doring and Roadkill were a very underrated tag team; New Jack, SAL E. GRAZ, Tajiri + Super Crazy + Little Guido = utter awesomeness; Steve Corino, Jack Victory, and Rhino are a unique trio; only Credible would take a forfeit win and celebrate like he won the world title; Sabu still has dangerous as ever, big showing of faith for Awesome to make him the new champion; Awesome and Tanaka still have great chemistry, cool moment having the roster on the ramp to see Taz off and cool seeing Taz put Awesome over strong; pretty cool seeing the history of the Dreamer/Raven feud even though it ended two years ago; Rhino looking spry and full of energy; the Impact Players were pretty awesome by this point; at least Balls Mahoney seemed like more of a threat to RVD than Johnny Smith; clearly having RVD in the last match shows he’s the big star for ECW now
What Didn’t Work
JT Rozzero: Jerry Lynn’s awkward DDT onto a chair, the positioning was off and looked forced; Simon Diamond looks like a cross between a basic CAW and a tiny regional indy opening match dude here; Tom Marquez’s absurd selling; Nova in green; Jason still hanging around doing the same shit, but with a goatee; Justin Credible beating down the ring announcer felt a bit forced, like him as a whole; Credible using “suck it”; Credible as ECW’s Triple H; “You Sold Out” chants; As insane and wild as they were at the time, the chairshots to Tanaka are tough to watch; Jeff Jones is a clown; I wasn’t feeling Tommy Dreamer’s promo; Fans didn’t seem very into Raven at all; The World Title match should have closed the show, the crowd was burned after that; Balls Mahoney never felt like a legit threat and as a result the main event felt more like an exhibition showcase
Tyler Kelley: Holy shit is Simon Diamond a tool, he makes Justin Diamond look cool. Diamond insulting Jazz’s “flat chest and ghetto booty.” Simon SHOULDN’T say (anything really.) I have no idea who the babyfaces or heels were in the tag team match? Matches? General clusterfuck mess? I’m not even sure what matches to rank, people just kept coming out of the dressing room and I have no clue what the feuds were if there were any feuds. Justin Credible’s half-shirt-jorts combo, which might be his worst look since he wore a jockstrap on his face. Also he wore a mask as Aldo Montoya, but that’s unrelated. Justin Credible’s offense. Dreamer/Raven vs. Corino/Rhyno match. Axl Rotten promo as the show structure as the show fell off a cliff after the Taz/Awesome/Tanaka match. Closing the show with a Balls Mahoney match. RVD hadn’t quite pared the stupid out of his offense (like carrying a chair in a flip only to drop it to be powerbombed on it later or doing an Asai moonsault to land on his feet and pick up a chair). RVD/Balls match about 15 minutes too long. Ended show on a cold note compared to vibe after title match.
Trent Williams: The entire cluster that happened between Simon Diamond making his entrance and New Jack leaving the ring, all of that took away from this being in consideration for one of the best PPVs of all time. The promo Simon Diamond cuts on Jazz doesn’t age well. The ECW Tag Team Championship match had a chance to be good on paper, but it was over before it really began, although there was a great match between Raven and the ring ropes as he tried to enter the ring. The ECW Championship match not closing the show as wrapping up the show with the end of one era (Taz) and the beginning of a new era (Mike Awesome) would’ve been a great thing to have as the main event, RVD vs Balls wasn’t great enough or memorable enough to close the show. If they had done a RVD vs Jerry Lynn match then I would’ve been fine with the TV Title closing the show, but not Balls.
Tim Slomka: The whole second match being an overbooked mess; random music just playing mid match; the bell ringing throughout; beating up of Jazz doesn’t look so good either; although there is a great comment by them: “Are we off format again”; chair shots to the head; the music; main event being heatless (though I don’t mind the Tazz match in the middle); this was the era, but way to many kickouts of finish moves, especially in the Sabu match; the whistle
Jacob Williams: Missing member of Lit; Simon Diamond and his sideburns; The complete mess of brawl with New Jack and friends; Most people in the brawl looking like jobbers; Sabu and Justin Credible dragging on too long; Ending with RVD vs. Balls; The brutal chair shots to the head through 2018 eyes; Justin Credible as a big time heel; Dreamer’s overly babyface promo feels off for the tone of ECW; Uncomfortably misogynist crowd responses
Stacey O’Loughlin: Dorks like Simon Diamond, Tom Marquez, Tony DeVito and Jason hanging around; Justin Credible; all of the disgusting chairshots right to the brain cells; Network overdubs; not knowing what was happening half the time; the last couple matches being an anticlimax; misogyny
Logan Crosland: The whole second match mess with Simon Diamond and Jazz; New Jack’s existence; Credible going over Sabu; Not ending with the world title three way; If you weren’t going to end with that, you need to choose someone better than Balls to go against RVD; Raven not being more involved with the tag match
Neil Trama: The tag team match that ended with 30 random guys getting in the ring; New Jack’s overdubbed Network music; Balls Mahoney in the main event; peak-1999 gratuitous bullshit chairshots and man on woman violence
Steve Riddle: Why is Simon Diamond around?; obviously seeing man on woman violence in 2018 feels so wrong when it was well accepted in 1999; flowing from one segment to the next was fine once in a while, but ECW went way overboard with it at times; Nova wearing a Green Lantern ripoff outfit; using a staple gun was way too much; Justin Credible: ECW’s most overrated superstar; a bit weird Awesome was added at the last minute and having the ECW Title match in the middle of the show; tough for ECW to lose their top star only a few weeks after losing their top tag team in the Dudleyz; I get Taz was leaving but he was made to look like a bitch here losing so quickly; Dreamer and Raven as Tag Champions just doesn’t feel right as they feel like natural rivals; as great as Francine is, her as Dreamer’s valet seems bizarre as no one can replace Beulah; random time for Axl Rotten to call out Mike Awesome; RVD/Balls should probably been in the middle of the show and not the last match; to do a bit of fantasy booking I would’ve had Taz retain the title and have a unification match with RVD at the next PPV where he puts RVD over clean as the new top face of ECW
Match of the Night
JT Rozzero: Tajiri vs. Super Crazy vs. Little Guido Tyler Kelley: Tajiri vs. Super Crazy vs. Little Guido Trent Williams: Tajiri vs. Super Crazy vs. Little Guido Tim Slomka: Awesome vs Tanaka vs Taz Jacob Williams: Awesome vs Tanaka vs Taz Stacey O’Loughlin: Tajiri vs. Super Crazy vs. Little Guido Logan Crosland: Awesome vs Tanaka vs Taz Neil Trama: Tajiri vs. Super Crazy vs. Little Guido Steve Riddle: Tajiri vs. Super Crazy vs. Little Guido
Worst Match of the Night
JT Rozzero: Chris Chetti & Nova vs. Simon Diamond & Tony Devito Tyler Kelley: Chris Chetti & Nova vs. Simon Diamond & Tony Devito Trent Williams: Chris Chetti & Nova vs. Simon Diamond & Tony Devito Tim Slomka: Chris Chetti & Nova vs. Simon Diamond & Tony Devito Jacob Williams: Chris Chetti & Nova vs. Simon Diamond & Tony Devito Stacey O’Loughlin: Chris Chetti & Nova vs. Simon Diamond & Tony Devito Logan Crosland: Chris Chetti & Nova vs. Simon Diamond & Tony Devito Neil Trama: Chris Chetti & Nova vs. Simon Diamond & Tony Devito Steve Riddle: Chris Chetti & Nova vs. Simon Diamond & Tony Devito
MVP of the Night
JT Rozzero: Mike Awesome Tyler Kelley: Mike Awesome Trent Williams: Masato Tanaka Tim Slomka: Masato Tanaka Jacob Williams: Mike Awesome Stacey O’Loughlin: Super Crazy Logan Crosland: Mike Awesome Neil Trama: Mike Awesome & Masato Tanaka Steve Riddle: Rob Van Dam
Best Live Chat Comment of the Night
JT Rozzero: “Blood adds a star” – Jennifer Smith Tyler Kelley: “His mullet was too great not to be in the match.” – Jambalaya Jake Trent Williams: “I never knew Taz and Sting had the same first name of This Is” – Tyler Kelly Tim Slomka: “His mullet was too great not to be in the match.” – Jambalaya Jake Jacob Williams: “So much blow.” – Tim Slomka Stacey O’Loughlin: “What the hell is happening??” – Literally everyone at some point Logan Crosland: “Is that the White Trash Green Lantern?” – Jennifer Smith Neil Trama: “Is that the White Trash Green Lantern?” – Jennifer Smith Steve Riddle: “Future Rapist Dawn” – Stacey O’Loughlin
Show Grade
JT Rozzero: 7/10 Tyler Kelley: 7/10 Trent Williams: 8/10 Tim Slomka: 6/10 Jacob Williams: 7/10 Stacey O’Loughlin: 7/10 Logan Crosland: 7/10 Neil Trama: 6/10 Steve Riddle: 7.5/10
Match Grades
JT Rozzero: ***½; ¼*; *¼; ****; ***; ***¾; **; *** Tyler Kelley: ***½, DUD, ½*, ****, ***, ****, *¾, ** Trent Williams: ***3/4, DUD, DUD, ****, ***¼, ***½, *, *** Tim Slomka: ****, ½*, **, ***, ****, *, ** Jacob Williams: ***½, ½*, ½*, ***¾, **½, ****, **, **½ Stacey O’Loughlin: ***½ , *, **½ , ****, ***, ***½, *½, ** Logan Crosland: ***½, ¼*, ¼*,***¾ , ***, ****, **, ** Neil Trama: ***, *, *, **** ¼, ***, ****, **, ** ¾ Steve Riddle: ***½, DUD, DUD, ****, ***, ***½, *½, ***½
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You know, I wrote this whole thing, I spent way too long on one of the DC wikis, but I completely forgot that in Quiver Resurrected!Ollie is missing 10 years of memories. So that's the real reason. If you want to read the insanity that is me focusing on anything other than my work, see below.
Please know that the following is not meant to be an "Well, Actually" style correction; I saw this post, started rotating it in my mind while working on something else, and then decided to be a crazy person and try and make sense of DC's timelines/plots:
(cw for mentions of sexual assault, torture)
So, going by publishing dates, Jason dies in late 1988. As far as I can tell, The OG League, including Green Arrow, breaks up in 1984. After that, Aquaman re-forms the league (Justice League Detroit). Batman is a member, but Green Arrow isn't.
"Crisis on Infinite Earths" happens in 1985. Ollie is possibly a Justice League member during Crisis on Infinite Earths? Maybe? Every wiki entry is telling me something different. And Ollie doesn't have his own series at this time, but from what I can tell, his stories in Detective Comics during this period mostly keep him local and don't involve any bat crossovers.
After the Legends crossover, during which the League was once again disbanded and then reformed, we have Justice League International, where the lineup is still Batman yes, Green Arrow no (1987). Maybe Ollie was too busy finally getting books with his name on them again, idk.
Interestingly, Black Canary is part of the JLI lineup. Around this time, though, Dinah and Ollie are having fights about whether or not to get married/whether or not to have kids, Dinah is secretly taking birth control, Ollie's was raped by Shado, Ollie is having issues after killing the guy torturing Dinah (allegedly in this continuity this is the first person Ollie's ever killed), and oh yeah Dinah was tortured. Also apparently Ollie keeps fucking off to Alaska or England or Japan or whatever. (The issues where he's in Japan and Shado rapes him were published at basically the same time Jason was getting exploded.) So I can see why, even if Dinah knows about Jason, it might not be something she wants to bring up, especially since one of the reasons she and Ollie are fighting is her fear that any child of theirs will be targeted.
And then there are like three more incarnations of the Justice League, but as far as I can tell Ollie doesn't join any of them before he dies (1995). (Connor Hawke Green Arrow does join for a little bit in 1997)
TLDR Ollie isn't seeing Bruce at the office every day and is going through his own drama; it's theoretically possible that he missed Jason's obituary – he legit might have been in Alaska or Japan at the time, then no one told him when he got back because a) that's not fun gossip; that's a dead child, and b) the assumption he already knows that gajillionaire Bruce Wayne's son died.
Also I kinda love the idea of Ollie a) not being told Jason died and b) not realizing that Tim isn't just Jason in pants.
I recently came across these panels of Green Arrow 2001 where Oliver is in the afterlife, and I have some thoughts below.
It’s the line “Spooky didn’t even mention it to me” that really takes me out because how many people did Bruce actually tell about Jason’s death when he was grieving? Obviously Clark knew, he was there in Death of the Family’s aftermath to prevent Bruce from killing the Joker, but if Green Arrow didn’t know, that’s like… a pretty core member of the Justice League.
Batman just went about his JL missions while grieving and internally suffering and at least Green Arrow didn’t notice, but also I don’t know who would have said anything if they did notice. It’s a somewhat known fact in-universe now I think, but I don’t know, it just makes me sad that he didn’t say anything about it when it happened.
#I'm so sorry OP#I spent way too much time on one of the dc comics wikis#I was just curious#spongebob narrator voice: two hours later#me: this timeline actually kinda works out and now I'm going to make it everybody else's problem#also me: goes to check the timeline of Connor being in the JLA#clicks some links#reads the summary for Vol 8 of Quiver#dies inside#dc comics#dcu#oliver queen | green arrow#dinah lance | black canary#bruce wayne | batman#jason todd | robin | red hood#hal jordan | green lantern#the spectre
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