#this is why we need more education on intersectional oppression and transandrophobia

[neon-slime]

hey, ftm here! we experience specific oppression just like white trans ppl experience specific oppression. trans ppl of color's oppression will always be worse and different than mine. however, intersectional language is used to describe the compounding experience of two types of oppression, which is what transmisogyny is, and which is why transandrophobia and a term for "white transphobia" do not need to exist. for more info, i would read the carrd in transmisogyny-explained's bio that addresses all this, read "female socialization is a myth" by dr devon price, etc. lmk if you're interested in more resources! transphobia is absolutely targeted at us and we do face a lot in society but transphobia really is an adequate word considering the fact that androphobia doesn't exist and in fact most forms of the idea of misandry are just sprouted from misogyny (a hatred towards woman not based on genitalia).

hey anon,

I know you're messaging with genuine intent, but I'm not interested in becoming a discourse blog. I'm sure we've both read various posts and resources on the issue so I'm not gonna take much time defending my opinions. I'm not the most educated person in the world but my opinions aren't formed from pure ignorance either. I genuinely don't understand the pushback against people wanting specific world's to describe their specific experiences and I don't think I ever will.

Intersectional language is used to describe an intersection of identity not exclusively oppression. My identity exists at an intersection of white, trans, mentally ill, Canadian settler on unceded Indigenous lands, etc. Some of my intersections are oppressed classes and some are privileged and all inform my experience.

if a mutual or someone I've interacted with before has an issue with opinions I've stated or concerns they'd like me to hear, I'm more than happy to engage with them in DM but otherwise I'd prefer not to get this type of ask

[thefeistydragon]

Transandrophobia is the mirror of transmisogyny. It's talking about oppression trans men face for being trans men/masc. Please do some research and listen to transmascs before dismissing out of hand a term for the specific issues faced by a marginalized community.

You're doing what a lot of people do, looking at a term and assuming what the meaning is without educating yourself about the way it's used.

You are talking over trans men and not bothering to take the time to find out why we might feel the need to use that term.

Trans men face an intersection of generalized transphobia and misogyny, yes. We also face issues specifically caused by being trans men and should be allowed to have words for that just like every other marginalized community is allowed to have words to describe their experiences.

The way you're going about it here you're more worried about what something might imply about cis men and power structure rather than whether trans men have a way to talk about our issues specific to us.

So, are you the sort of person who cares more about appearances, or who legitimately thinks trans men don't have our own issues that need discussion? I really hope not.

Tldr Maybe stop talking over trans men and trying to take terms that are useful for a community from us based on your own limited knowledge and perceptions?

If you want to actually learn about why people use that term, and why it's necessary in overall discussions of social justice, there are plenty of people happy to help, but the condescension of this whole addition doesn't make me very hopeful for that.

what people need to remember about the whole "do trans men experience misogyny" thing is that bigotry is the fault, problem, and responsibility of the person(s) / system(s) enacting them. a misogynist behaving that way to a trans guy makes the misogynist a misogynist, it doesn't make the trans guy a woman. being misinterpellated as a woman by the medical industrial context complex doesn't mean you're oppressed/erased for being a man, it means that your trans relationship to gender has made you illegible to the clinical gaze. peoples' wrong opinions of your identity dictate who they are, not who you are.