#this is why these sorts of dunks don't faze them

[castrateurfate]

"So a few things. More than a few, but like you say, found a little time from the shit storm called college."

Yeah, I get that. Sorry if I was a bit emotional in my response. Been getting the shit kicked out of me these past few weeks and haven't really been the mkst stable. In my natural "no bullshit" faze in my "no gods, no masters, no bullshit" motto. Sorry for any hassle.

"One, I've never used a slur against a trans person. Ever. Being a black lesbian, it's not really my scene for obvious reasons.So saying to just "leave a tr**ny alone" as though that is my innate thinking isn't necessary."

I'm glad you are able to empathise with me on the stuff regarding slurs. In my personal experience, I have found that black queer women are more empathetic towards trans folk, even one's involved in gender critical ideology. That's why I gravitate towards the works of Elexus Jionde and Angela Davis, as both of them are no-bullshit thinkers who promote empathetic and rational ideology which has become the basis of much of my less shit-posty work. I apologise that I came across like I was saying that you as an individual believe these things. My so-called "dunks" are more open letters to those involved in the GC or TERF movement as that group is more tight-nit than most on the internet. If I make a post about one person involved in the GC or TERF movement, it's likely that twenty others will see it too. And yes, some of it is trolling because I am an internet gremlin. But in other times, I try to keep it more fluid. Apologies that you've seen me in my off-days.

"Nor is calling me a dickhead when my literal point was that your age does not by any means lessen your stances. I'm only in my early 20s so it would be a little odd for me to count you out of a topic that you're obviously apart of."

I apologise for calling you names. I realised what I said regarding the age stuff wasn't right after I posted it because I obviously misunderstood you. It was too late to edit the post so I was waiting for you to respond so I could give you my apology now. So I'm sorry for the hassle.

"(Also, it seems we both misunderstood. I wasn't saying I wouldn't bother responding to you at all bc we wouldn't agree. I was saying I wasn't going to bother harping on the skateboarding situation bc our core ideals were too different for that to lead anywhere.)"

Oh okay, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

"Secondly, I'm not a British "terf", so I can't speak for the ideologies of them. I know a few, but I can't say they are by any means extremists. But I can't say that you don't deal with extremists yourself."

The majority of TERFs in England asign themselves to a much more extremist view of GC ideology than Americans, from what I have both read and personally experienced. If you have read the works of Valerie Solanas, the ideology is similar in that nature but with less misandry and more transphobia. If you are aware of the aforementioned BBC article, that gives you a general basis for what is considered the "norm" in the British TERF sphere. British culture has also heavily relied upon transohobia, along with other forms of bigotry such as racism and homophobia. English horror has been the worst in regards to representing transpeople, specifically trans people. The films of Alfred Hitchcock come to mind as well as various exploitation "Video Nasties" of the 1960s and 70s that represent "transvestites" as homicidal rapists who want nothing but to kill women and where their skin. Many traits stolen from the racist films, stage plays and television shows of the early 1900s but I diggress. The reason bigotry such as racism and transphobia is so commen and so extreme here in the UK is because those sort of things have been justified to people for decades through media. People are more likely to make fun of, harrass and dehumanise every non-white person they see, because every piece of media has shown them that's okay. People here are more likely going to be transphobic because every piece of media has said that those "trannies" are violent murderous sexual psychopaths. So people believe that. And because such an extreme stereotype has been fed to them, they will act with extreme measures. When someone here in the UK asks the random boomer what they imagine about someone who is considered a "man" calling themselves a "woman", they will either bring up two things. Pantomime dames or an equivalent to Ed Gein. If you are having a hard time believing how ingrained this anti-trans ideology is in British culture, look up the antagonist in the BBC funded horror-mockumentary Ghostwatch. That figure is the embodiment of England's transphobia and how it influences the perception of transwomen in modern English TERF circles today.

https://youtu.be/cHTMidTLO60

"I don't know what to tell you. Any and every movement has some assholes who take things to far and think full on murder is an answer when it's clearly not. Hyperbole is a common joke in radblr and radfem spaces."

Yeah, it just so happens these same assholes are the same ones influencing the laws that effect transpeople. Fascists can't tell the difference between satire and ideology. Jokes and ideology is one in the same for the Modern-Right. So if they see someone who agrees with them on the basis of transwomen, joking about killing a transperson, they wouldn't see that as hyperbole. They would see it as an ideological point. I think TERFs and members of the GC movement do not understand or realise the political influence they hold. I think they don't see it because the people they are influencing just so happen to be the people who they appose. Which is where the problem lies. They won't admit that their ideologies, extremist or not, have been funneling themselves into the dogma of modern fascist and conservative thought. If they did, I think the ideology wouldn't be considered as much of a threat to the livlihood of transfolk as it is.

"I don't even live in Europe. I'd rather not specify where. Not bc of you, but of said extremists."

That's fair. I get that.

"There was a South Korean woman on here who said ONE thing that implied she might be a terf, and people harassed, threatened, and doxxed her to the point that she literally had to move in with her parents for a while."

Whilst I do believe that is horrible, I don't believe that is comproble to the current state violence that trans people are experiencing in the US and England. It's horrible thing, I am not saying it isn't. I just don't see the similarities between that and TERF influenced senators who are sending cops to the homes of trans-kids to intimidate both parents and children for not fitting into their own distinctive view of gender.

https://youtu.be/jrOIsNXKDtw

I think the power the state holds and the power that a few dipshit kids on the internet hold aren't really comparable. I have been doxxed. Had my private info leaked, my bank details and even my fucking Mother's address. Most of it was leaked, including my deadname. It isn't fun. It's scary. I had to change just about everything before I felt even remotley safe again. But that's the thing. It's easy to make a few changes and feel safe again. But when the state is in control, you aren't safe. When the state is out for you for who you are, you aren't safe. You can't "undo" being trans without serious harm to yourself. If the state wants to outlaw your existence, you are not safe. Doesn't matter where you go, what you do or what you hide, if the state hates you for you then they will hunt you down and scare you until you either kill yourself, leave the country or they kill you. That is the reality for many transpeople in America and soon to be England.

"Thirdly, I commiserate. No bullshit. Disabled? Autistic? Jewish? I know the world is an absolute shit show, especially these days. And I say commiserate rather than pity, bc I think we both know how insulting pity can be. I'd rather not disclose my own personal situation (again, not you. Others.) But I have things beyond being black and a lesbian that have given me troubles as well. Things that have left me feeling hopeless for the world and myself. So in a moment of levity in this conversation we're having, I'm sorry life has treated you the way it has. Regardless of difference in ideals, you obviously don't deserve that."

Thank you, that really does mean a lot. I'm sorry that the world treats you as such. No matter where we lie on the spectrum of things, I want to tell you that my DMs are open if you need any assistance with anything. You are a kind person, I can see that. Over the years, I have developed a plethra of info on different groups and different networks that can assist people who are struggling with practically anything so if you need anything, I am open and here. Thank you.

"Fourth. No offense, but I don't need you to tell me what's going on in the U.S... In terms of UK politics, even if I read one hundred articles about it today, I still wouldn't presume to know better about it than you."

I have friends who are United States citizens. Not only that, but a majority of online discourse is America-centric. The English-speaking Left is also heavily America-centric. I don't presume to know more than you, I believe we know the same as eachother and get a commen ground on these subjects. I am not an American citizen but I do constantly hear and talk with Americans of all fronts to get an educated basis of the political situation within America. I actually support the fight for less of these discourses and political discussion being America centric as I and others feel more forced to talk about these issues in America to be taken seriously when discussing issues within our own nations. Personally, if you were well read up on the issues in the UK regarding news here I would consider you someone who is allowed to comment on the issues much ado as anyone anywhere is allowed to comment on issues in outside of their own nations. In fact, as I have said, I support it. In my opinion, if an American knows more than me on the issues in my country and isn't an egotistical dick about it then I would be fine with that. That is just me on it, tho.

"I've been fighting not to be shot driving down the road and being open about being gay for quite a while."

And I commend you for your bravery. You live a horrible life and one oppressed person to another, you have my support and I am always here if you need it. I might not empathise with you regarding the TERF stuff but I empathise with you on the basis of you being a down-trodden black queer women. You get the most shit from any movement and you have my full support.

"But I know U.S. politics, and I know that there has been a persistent attack on anyone removed from the "norm." "

Yep, same in England. Life is hell for the marginalised anywhere where there's government. Again, you have my support.

"No respectable "TERF" uses trans slurs or any slurs that specifically target a group. Asshole, bastard, etc.. Yes. But the only people you see spitting out tr**ny without pause are conservatives (in the U.S.). Radfems/"terfs" generally shun and lash out at women who use them."

UK TERFs are different to that extent. I can barely go a minute without some UK TERF on twitter using either a slur or suspicious dog whistle. It's constent, in my existence. I am glad the community you are in doesn't go to such measures but my experience as someone who is on the receiving end of anti-trans ideology has been, to put it lously, horrific. You might not see it to the extent I do, but it's still there.

"Regarding the South Korean woman I mentioned, you would probably say they were assholes and don't stand for what you stand for. That's the situation there. I know the use of the word wasn't your point, but you use it in a manner that suggests it is a common part of our vocabulary and it's not. You could scroll through my entire blog and I never use it anything close."

Your experiences and my experiences are different. Yes, your blog and your feed may be squeeky clean from this so obvious bigotry. But I don't have that luxury. To me, from what I have experienced by self described TERFs and Radfems, the experience has been dehumanising and horrific. You might not see it. But it's there.

"But regarding the trickle down effect of US politics to UK politics, I really don't know what to tell you."

It's less of a trickle down effect and more of a "dipshit kid copying stunts off Jackass" effect. England sees a horrible thing in America, they do it too. Minstel shows, misogynistic srereotypes, slurs, neo-liberalism, anti-unionisation efforts. One oppressive thing happens in the US, the fascists here salivate as they begin getting into position to enact it on the citizens here. Sort of like how Hitler copied the Americans in regards to genocide. The Tories here pick up the culture wars as seen on America, and implement it into law here.

As seen in this BBC News interview at around the 15:45 mark:

https://youtu.be/h2aVj3E6vXY

So as you can see, the conservative elite of my nation love the idea of oppressing more marginalised groups.

"Shitty people are in power right now. We've been dealing with it for longer than I was even being considered to be conceived. People have also used Black Lives Matter to do some dumb shit. So should Black Lives Matter just cease to exist bc some fascist assholes have used it for personal gain."

Can you give me an example of fascists (right-wing authoritarians) using BLM as a way to gain power? The most I can think of was the leader of the Proud Boys making money through Redbubble by using BLM slogans and putting them on t-shirts as a side hustle, but that was a secret that came out through court documents. My point was that what the majority of TERFs want to do with trans people, transwomen explicitly, falls in-line with the beliefs of fascists in power. One direct example I can give you is the co-alition between anti-trans groups and the far-right like thr LGB Alliance standing with both Republicans and Neo-Nazis and the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation working alongside and promoting anti-trans feminist groups. So it's more of an agreement on certain issues rather than a cash-grab.

"I don't deny at all that assholes will also seek, inadvertently or not, to taint a movement with better intentions than their own."

It's not really that they "tainted" the ideology of TERFs, it's that their opinions on transpeople just so happen to be the same as the majority of TERFs. Can't really "taint" an ideology in the sense where you believe the same exact things like how the Democrats "tainted" BLM by making it yet-another liberal Hallmark card saying that means nothing anymore.

"My ideologies pertain solely to the liberation of women from a society of systematic oppression. It's a pretty generic sentence, but it's true."

And I agree. It's just that my definition of a women is less strict than yours. I fight for the rights of women regardless of biological traits. If you are a victim of any form of systemic misogyny, I will fight for you. No matter what.

"My first and foremost (mine, specifically), is women. It's written all over my account. Appreciating women, uplifting women, etc.. I give a shit so much about women that sometimes it hurts."

And same here, look at my blog. I appreciate and uplift women of all types. I love women. I appreciate and pine for women. There is never a day where I despise women. I am not anti-women and never have been. I simply just love women. So I feel you on regards to that. It's just that my definition is more broad than yours. I except all women regardless of biological traits because a woman cannot be one thing. A woman is an individual, not a species. I love women because of their variety, their idiosyncracies. Their knack for beauty and their intelligence. Women are what makes life livable. And I stand by that.

"At this point in my life (like I'm 50 or something), women are my main focus."

I think it's good to juggle several different focuses on regards to both women and civil rights in general. My activism has no "main focus" because I see all opression and all bigotry as intersected rather than just one thing. If every pipe in your house is broken and busted, you can't just focus on the tap. You have to focus on the interconnected issues. Replacing one pipe with another won't fix it either. The system is broken and the system needs to be redone for it to be in working order or for it to be better. So focussing mainly on one part of it all won't fix everything as everything is interconnected at the end of the day.

"The founder of Planned Parenthood was a full on racist and believed in eugenics. But that doesn't mean Planned Parenthood TODAY is bad. They've helped more women than I could ever dream of. Just because the start of something starts off a certain way doesn't mean the movement itself is still rooted in those same ideals."

And I agree, in regards to PP. But in regards to anti-trans activism, the activism is still anti-trans. The issue isn't the specific extremist beliefs within the activism, it's that both the message and material outcome has made life a living hell for trans people. PP doesn't practice eugenics or racism anymore. But anti-trans groups are still anti-trans. And that is more than enough for me to no be okay with whatever they say and lead to.

"As for the BBC, I can't speak on the severity of politics in the UK. Obviously if they're implying that trans people should be harmed, then obviously they're wrong. I don't really know what to tell you there."

Shaun, a prominent video essayist, has made several videos about the BBC incident. I'll link them bellow here:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB8NXe_on1cUW1EYsFBHQlu0PVDyX_qM-

"Misleading on impact, I'll admit. But all I've gathered from them is that LGB is a collection of sexualities and T+ are gender identities. Have you ever heard the joke that when you a make a fruit smoothie, and you put a banana in there, it consumes the entirety of the flavor? I believe that's the situation with the LGB Alliance."

The LGB Alliance is no-less than what can be described as a hate-group disguised as a charity. They are international so each of their subsets represent the larger organisation as a whole. Despite calling themselves a "pro-gay" and "feminist" organisation, they receive a lot of support and funding from anti-feminists, conservatives, pro-life groups and Neo-Nazis. And at some points, even promoting these said groups through posts on social media. Ignorantly or not. They are pretty much a disturbing mess of people who's only ideological stand point is "anti-trans by any means neccessary". Similar to how PETA doesn't protecr animals, the LGB Alliance does not protect gay people. They only want this "trans menace" to dissapear. Here's some articles on the disturbed truth regarding the organisation:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/04/03/lgb-alliance-neo-nazi-homophobia-spinster-death-head-charity-commission/

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/controversial-group-lgb-alliance-anti-trans-awareness-given-charity-status-964599

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/08/21/lgb-alliance-founder-bev-jackson-heritage-foundation-tweets/

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/19/lgb-alliance-same-sex-marriage-twitter-transgender-homophobia-owen-jones-baclash/

"They feel the issues of LGB are overwhelmed by trans narratives that shun anyone who do not include trans people in their issues. Plainly put, sometimes things are not going to include you. I don't get mad at gay men for having their own issues discussed and don't attempt to squeeze myself in with them. We are both same sex attracted, but our experiences are different. But it seems that when trans ppl are not accommodated in a narrative, that narrative is immediately called transphobic."

The reason being so many people want trans people to be involved in queer rights is because they have always been apart of queer rights and it is historically illiterate to remove them from activism. Gender identity and sexuality have always been intertwined in the fight for queer rights and recognition, even going all the way back to the times of the Suffregettes. In fact, gender queer ideology has been integral to the lesbianism itself, especially during the 1980s with the rise of "he/him" lesbians and the "butch/femme" dynamic as seen in popular culture today. Transness and gender nonconformity has been integral to the spectrum of queer idenitity since the foundation in queer philosophy over a century ago. The Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, a sexology clinic destroyed by the Nazis, not only cared for and assisted gay people, they assisted and cared for trans and gender-noncomforming people. At the time, going outside of the standards of what was considered the "norm" was practically a death sentence. So this clinic helped so many people before it's destruction. It saw both gay and trans people as equal in both validity and in victimisation by the state. That ideological stance escaped the book burnings and destruction imposed upon them by the Nazis. It fought through the flames and found itself nessled into the dogma of queer thought. That whatever effects the trans community will effect the queer community as a whole. Because, and many deny this, the communities are one in the same. Marsha P. Johnson, a transwoman, was the first to throw a brick at Stonewall. During the AIDS pandemic, lesbians and transmen cared for transwomen and gay men as they were sadly dying at every each turn due to innaction by the state.

I never understood this belief of "different experiences". You have more in commen with a white trans lesbian as a black cis lesbian than you do with any random white cishet woman you can find on the street. The state wants total control over your bodies, the state want to stop you freely expressing your own damn identity, the state wants to hush any/all mention of the oppression that you face and the state, quite honestly, wants you dead. If that isn't a shared experience then I don't know what is. It is correct in deducing that everybody has their own seperate experiences of life as an individual, but it's wrong to say you could never empathise with a transwoman or a gay man on the basis of your being a black cis lesbian because the truth is, the oppressors see you all as one in the same and will treat you as one in the same. To the state, there is no difference between you and me. We are both "sexual deviants" and degenerates that deserve death. The Nazis didn't just burn the books about gay people and neither did they burn solely the books about trans people. They burnt all of it. All of it. As to them, we are the same. Just because we don't experience the same exact day to day life or share commen ground on highly specific issues does not mean we cannot empathise on the struggle we face as oppressed people and neither does it mean that we should ignore the historical intersection of trans and gay people. Well and truly, we are all queer and we all fight for the rights of each other. If the Irish were able to empathise with and assist the Navajo Nation as both are victims of colonialism and have a shared experience regarding that then there is no reason why you can't openly empathise and assist with fellow queer people, including transfolk.

It is not only transphobic to rid your queer-rights activism of transpeople but it is also homophobic. If you don't fight for all of us, you fight for none of us. That has been the historical truth for the entire queer community.

The reason WHY there has been so much effort in protecting trans-rights is because it will cause a shock-wave that will no-doubt harm all marginalised communities.

First, they banned CRT and any mention of historical racism in schools. That was to test the waters. Then they banned trans kids and teachers from freely expressing their own damn gender indentities and stopped all trans people from participating in sports. After that, they introduced the Don't Say Gay Bill, which bans any mention of queer people in schools. After that, they felt powerful. So they struck down Roe v. Wade. Next, it'll be sodomy laws and then gay marriage. Then after that, god knows what.

If you don't fight for all marginalised groups instead of just one, you undoubtedly ignore the bigger picture. To complete a LEGO set, you cannot do it with one brick. You have to equally assist each brick in the creation, often times with help, to complete the end-goal. It might seem difficult, but when millions speak as one. You know you're doing something right.

You can't talk about gay rights without talking about trans rights and you can't talk about trans rights without talking about gay rights. Same how with anti-black racism you can't give a good view on it without discussing misogyny and colourism. There are key components that cannot be left out in discussion.

Trans people have always been apart of the queer community and queer rights. To ignore that is to ignore both the present and the past.

"If you discussed with my issues you had as a Jewish person, I wouldn't call you racist for not talking about how black people are affected too (I know Judaism isn't a race, I'm just using two things we both mentioned as an example)."

Judaism is a religion, Jewish is an ethnicity. Not a "race", really. But an ethnic identity similar to that of Romani folk. So I'm still white, it's just the Jew part of it is kind of added to it. And yes, it is integral to discuss anti-blackness when discussing antisemitism because those are interconnected as well, especially in regards to the Great Replacement conspiracy theory that has fuelled a number of mass-shooters in recent years. If I purposefully ignore anti-blackness when discussing modern-day antisemitism then I will not only be racist but I'll also be antisemitic. It isn't about TERFs just so happening to not mention trans issues, it's about them purposefully ignoring the historical significance of trans rights, it's role in queer history and its neccessity in the future of both gender abolition and freedom of identity in regards to bodily autonomy. It's just ignoring a neccessary part of the story due to personal bigotry, innadvertidly harming their own community. Anti-trans hatred will be the downfall of the queer community at large.

"No one "told me" anything and I just nodded dumbly and said, "Okay." Personal research is absolutely necessary and I will take a look at the link you've sent me."

The human mind itself is based upon learning things from others. Including and especially ideology. It's not that you just mindlessly nodded along to these things, it's that these people were ideologically open about their beliefs and you agreed with them and then your unconcious brain took hold of that and added it into your ever-changing ideological understanding of the world around you. No research is individual. There is always collaboration in some form or another, either indirectly or not, in regards to research and philosophy. That is truly the human condition.

"A few years ago, homosexuality was in the DSM. Blood letting used to be a thing. Etc.. So I completely agree with you. We, as humans, are just figuring things out as we go and with that, a better understanding of things."

Glad we agree with that. Autogynophilia is also no longer in the DSM, I believe. And WHO has come out and said that being transgender is no longer seen as a mental illness so the future seems bright for trans people regarding science.

"No one is claiming there is a conspiracy against women. Conspiracies are more often than not clandestine and hidden."

Conspiracies are actually really commen in influential TERF circles, they're just not discussed as conspiracy theories and instead as fact. Here's some examples:

https://progressive.org/magazine/antisemitism-meets-transphobia-greenesmith-lorber/

https://xtramagazine.com/power/far-right-feminist-fascist-220810

https://politicalresearch.org/2019/02/20/racism-in-anti-trans-feminist-activism

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/controversial-group-lgb-alliance-anti-trans-awareness-given-charity-status-964599

"The argument I've seen many radfems make is that many situations (the skateboarding thing for example) often come at the expense of women and women only. Again, our main concern. Women. Not just for women, but trans men as well. You hear about the feats of trans women in women's sports and etc. but don't hear about trans men making things harder for men."

The skateboarding thing really wasn't a "ciswomen vs transes" issue. As mentioned, the woman lost to several children before losing to a transwoman. We do hear about the feats of transmen in sport, it's just sad that many of them have to perform in women's sports because they aren't considered "man enough" despite being just as agile and talented as cis men. Transmen face discrimination in sport on basis that they aren't seen as "real" men and, from the belief that people born "female" are naturally weaker and more brittle than the big toughy tough "natural" men in sport. They aren't in sport simply because they are often not allowed in. Plus, there isn't that many trans people in sport to begin with because professional sports only really work for a small group of people. And in the trans community, an already small community, that number is even less. Most "sports" that I see transwomen play in nowerdays is e-sports. Every transwoman I know is a gamer. Might have something to do with the autisms than anything else but there is no major threat against cis-women in sport by an alleged trans menace, simply because transwomen athletes are so rare.

"Bc biologically we are different... But men have higher stamina, stronger core strength, and overall tend to (not always, obviously) outperform women bc of things like this."

I mean. This argument kind of falls flat when you say "not always" because if it isn't always, how do you know these transwomen in sports are naturally superior to cis women in sports?

I was born as a "male". Yet I am as weak as an eggshell. I can't walk long distance without assistence, I can barely carry anything heavier than a few kilograms and if I excert myself even just a tad bit, I am bed ridden for days. I can't dance, run or even jog unless I want to experience incredibly excruciating pain. If somebody told me (and people actually have) that I am biologically superior to Serena Williams because of the letter on my birth certificate, I would (and have) laugh in their face. Mainly because the letter on my birth certificate is wrong for several reasons beyond gender identity but it's also silly. If one statement is not universal, then it cannot be applied universally. If they don't all outperform cis women, then why claim they outperform them at all? Who's to say that cis women can't be born with those same traits? Should people with those specific traits and charcteristics be banned from sports? Of course not. Excluding transwomen from sports has no basis in biology and it never has. If biology was the case, they would exclude anyone, no matter their ASAB, if they have those seleceted biological traits that would make them "superior" to the other players or sports would be ranked by skill and not gender. The only reason these arguments are made is to exclude transwomen, not "protect" cis-women. You don't know the biological code of any athlete and any assumption would be accusation rather than fact. To hyperfocus on the times when transwomen win certain events gives you the false impression that they always win or are more likely to win. When the truth is, like any athelete, they win and lose regularly.

This video on Tiger Woods, in the first half, diacusses how media hyperfocuses on the "biological advantages" of marginalised athletes, whilst ignoring the efforts they have made behind the scenes.

https://youtu.be/jGWTt2VhKKY

All humans are biologically different whether you're a man, a woman or neither. That should be accepted instead of punished.

"Doesn't make anyone better morally or anything. I actually agree with you about the height thing regarding the skateboard competition. Height BARELY plays a factor, if any."

Glad we agree on that. Hope you can agree on what I said before as well.

"Sixth. Again, I can't really curb extremists. Extremists are gonna extreme. If "terfs" weren't around, they'd still feel that way. Torys are conservatives, if I'm correct (pls correct me if I'm wrong). We've got the Republicans. They don't like is either. That's the thing. They don't actually like "terfs". Bc those parties are generally fronted by asshole men and most "terfs" have a lot of things to say about men. A lot. So they'll use us in their debates, not as equals, but as pawns. We're just loud mouth lesbians (some bi, some straight) who happened to be right about ONE thing to them."

The Tories are conservative, correct.

I'm sorry if this comes across as a bit blunt... But in no-way is it normal for an alleged civil rights movement to have so much support from conservatives and fascists. In no-way is that a normal thing. If your movement is being use by the oppressors to bring more oppressive action against a marginalises group, you are not fighting said oppressor. Being a pawn means that your movement plays with, not against, the oppressors. You're a foot soldier, definitley. They will get your movement to fight for the continued oppression of transfolk and once that's done, they'll come after you. Exactly what you said. If you are aware that your movement is a pawn or a piece in the oppressor's game and there's just about nothing you can do to stop it... Why be apart of it to begin with? The TERF community has gone too deep. You used shoot pretentious millionaire artists and burn bras on capitol hill. Now you're yet another conservatuve group that falls into place with the scheme of fascists. You are not going to achieve the outcome you want in the community you inhabit. It's far from saving and there's legislation that proves it. Look. One of the worst rumours that TERFs have spread is that the trans community is anti-feminist or anti-cis-women. We aren't. We never have been. We aren't trying to force cis women to sleep with transwomen. If you have a preference, people will respect that; even if you disrespect them. Yes, we are explicitly anti-TERF. But the word "TERF" has always been gender neutral and is practically no-longer an acronym. It's literally just used because we're too exhausted to write "transphobe" out every time. Plus, it sounds funny. It doesn't mean all cis-women and it doesn't mean lesbians. It means transphobes. Even radfem is starting to lose its meaning and is just another synonym for transphobe. Which bothers me, because I am a radical feminist. I was the crippled bastard screaming that people should make bombs and ship them off to the houses of SCJs. We understand and fight for feminism that is inclusive to all women and those who face misgogyny. We are vocal. We. Love. Women. We're here, we're queer and we care for our pears. Including cis-het allies. Our end goal is the abolition of gender. Always has been.

"Seventh (swear I'm almost done). No, I don't think you're a dumb little creature. But just how you say your experience with "terfs" has been very grating on your mental health, I get a little sick of being told I should kill myself and being called racial and sexuality based slurs when I go out of my way (like you said, like right now) to just talk and listen."

I apologise that my comments came off like I was being racist or sexist towards you. That was not intentiom, but that is how you experienced it and I apologise for my recklessness.

"Femcel is an insult that we also didn't need, but 🤷🏾‍♀️."

Well, that is kind of what the TERF community is relying on. Women or girls who have felt alienated from society or are struggling from trauma are usually swooped up into TERF ideology. Similar to that of incels. Lonely people, possibly mentally ill, too scared to talk about their issues or find a good outlet, getting swooped into an ideology with ties to the alt-right. When I say femcel, it isn't an insult. From what I've seen, it's the truth. The TERF community ia not good for people who are struggling or paranoid. The communitty will not help them and only increase their paranoia and struggles. Valerie Solanas, the grandmother of TERF ideology, was a paranoid schizophrenic who tried to murder two people and Andy Warhol (I don't like Andy Warhol. He had it coming.) over the delusion that a play she wrote was going to be stolen by Warhol, who not only didn't read it but also lost his copy too. If that is the actions of one of the founders of TERF ideology, I can't imagine what it's like to be a TERF in the modern day either. How far are we from another severely mentally ill TERF enacting violent acts? I see posts on Twitter amd on here that terrify me. TERFs feeling enfuriated by the thought of transwomen even existing in their presesnce. Some, even saying that a fellow cis-woman is a transgender because of certain "masculine" traits seen in the woman. Not to mention, their disturbing takes on black women being disqualified from professional sports for having tetosterone levels higher than the standard set by the comittee of such sport. The Giggle app introduced phrenology to a new generation and we have highly influential TERF figures openly discussing the massacre of transwomen and the full segregation of society by sex. These aren't a minority, like you claim. These are the people who's beliefs trickle down the ideological tower, maybe being slightly sanitised on the way down, to the blogs and pages of many many mentally ill women. Just like how the Intellectual Dark Web influences the incels, the British academics who wish death upon the transes trickle down as well. It's manifacturing consent. It's horror, and it's hard to deny.

https://youtu.be/MOht4xYJ8EY

https://beaudyess.medium.com/last-pride-a-lesbian-showed-me-gender-critics-were-using-us-c10bad16e9f9

Personally, as someone with a deep interest in sociology, I have spent awhile looking into both the incel spaces of the internet and the TERF spaces on the internet and it's hard for me to ignore the similarities, especially in regards to the mental stabillity and the dissasociation of reality in favour of paranoid delusions and crafted echo-chambers. Yes, there is stuff like that in most online communities, I am not denying there isn't, but both the TERF movement and the incel movement are both hate movements that have created immessurable amount of damage to the lives of many. Either through the barrel of a gun or through tip of a pen as more transphobic laws are written into law.

Extremism is not a minority in TERF groups. The extremists beliefs are the ones being written into law. You might disagree with them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist or don't hurt people.

The world is dying. And hate is killing it.

"Eighth. You're right, I don't know you. So I won't touch on your personal identity again."

Thank you.

"Ninth. If you are the result of questioning, then you ought to know that I am as well. Questioning the direction of things and where it leaves women. Not just "women who don't agree with me politically"."

Yup. That's how that works.