#they already showed it with armand's insecurity about his relationship with louis lasting and him really overreacting over that
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there are sooo many problems in armand and daniel's relationship, but this exchange highlights a big one imo: no matter what daniel says, thinks, or tells him, armand rarely believes daniel is telling the truth. armand spent years assuming daniel thought he was lying when he confessed he's never made another vampire, when daniel has believed him the whole time.
armand is told and shown one thing by daniel, but believes another.
he thinks daniel resents him for turning him into a killer, when daniel gets a rush from killing. even if he has trouble disposing of bodies afterwards, he enjoys the act of taking human life, and he wants to stay with armand and keep doing it forever.
armand thinks daniel has never understood or wanted to understand what being a vampire really means, when that's all daniel has ever wanted; he falls in love with the monstrous part of armand, it gives him a thrill to imagine what he does to sate his hunger, he loves knowing that he's killed someone recently, and he asks armand if he can watch him hunt— which armand refuses.
it's why i think when armand says sybelle is the first mortal to ever tell him "i love you", it might not entirely be true...
... or at least, even if he's never said it aloud, daniel must've thought "i love you" over and over during their years together. except armand never believed daniel really loved him, he only loved his blood and his power and wanted it for himself. maybe he believed daniel simply thought he loved him, because he had nothing else. maybe daniel only ever really told him he loved him when he was given the blood, and that confirmed what armand believed. whatever it was, any love that daniel felt was not real in armand's eyes, especially as it began to be eclipsed by a form of hatred, which was partly borne from daniel's frustration at being treated like nothing but a toy and doubting that he meant anything to armand at all.
armand felt he was never truly honest with daniel and his love was possessive and complicated, so he couldn't understand that daniel's obsession with immortality had long ago evolved into wanting immortality specifically by armand's side.
daniel wanted to live forever with armand because he really truly did love him, to the point that it ruined him. but armand could never believe it. and riddled with guilt after turning him, he believed there was no chance daniel would ever really love him now.
#it doesnt even matter if armand can or cant read daniels mind if he doubts what he sees and hears anyway#anywayyy for the show this aspect would be interesting to explore more#i want to watch their lack of communication skills fuck everything up in realtime#they already showed it with armand's insecurity about his relationship with louis lasting and him really overreacting over that#but i want to see it between daniel and armand too... especially as maker/fledgling#vc#devil's minion#this was meant to be a short post but i started thinking about it more and got too into it
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I think what Rolin said re Lestat's fluidity was in relation to the TVL season, though I could be wrong? I'm sure we'll see him with other partners before he reunites with Louis, but imho Loustat won't be poly, they're too dementedly in love, no third party could compete & it wouldn't feel right! The cheating didn't count as polyamory imho, Lestat was insecure (& being a Brat about it!) but he only really wanted Louis. We may see poly dynamics explored elsewhere though? Maybe with Armand/Daniel?
Yeah, I tend to lean towards this line of thinking as well. Like I mentioned, Lestat had a long list prior to Louis, and he took pride it in.
Lestat in The Vampire Lestat:
I was bedding village girls in the back of that church by the time I was fifteen—something of a prodigy for the times, but then the lord’s son was supposed to be a perfect billygoat in our village. Everyone expected it. And my brothers, such a conservative bunch, they had more or less disappointed the local mythology by always behaving themselves. It’s a wonder that the crops hadn’t suffered from their paltry virtue. I smiled. I had certainly made up for it.
I fell in love with the young girl who played Isabella. I went into the wagon with the players and examined all the costumes and the painted scenery, and when we were drinking again at the tavern, they let me act out Lelio, the young lover to Isabella, and they clapped their hands and said I had the gift.
That night, the actress who played my inamorata gave me her own very special and intimate accolades. I went to sleep in her arms, and the last thing I remember her saying was that when we got to Paris we’d play the St.-Germain Fair, and then we’d leave the troupe and we’d stay in Paris working on the boulevard du Temple until we got into the Comédie-Française itself and performed for Marie Antoinette and King Louis.
Louis in Interview With The Vampire:
Lestat had a musician friend in the Rue Dumaine. We had seen him at a recital in the home of a Madame LeClair, who lived there also, which was at that time an extremely fashionable street; and this Madame LeClair, with whom Lestat was also occasionally amusing himself, had found the musician a room in another mansion nearby, where Lestat visited him often. I told you he played with his victims, made friends with them, seduced them into trusting and liking him, even loving him, before he killed. So he apparently played with this young boy, though it had gone on longer than any other such friendship I had ever observed.
Claudia moved in the back parlor behind closed doors. And I fancied I heard another voice there, a whisper. Claudia never brought anyone to our flat; no one did except Lestat, who brought his women of the streets.
They’ve already incorporated Antoine(tte) in the show, and they hinted at others with the exchange between Lestat and the women’s opera society in Episode 7. It was also hinted at in Episode 3 during the “Aren’t I enough?” exchange with Louis. I imagine they’ll also delve into Lestat’s village girls and actresses prior to Nicolas.
“I’ve been entertaining myself. Amusing my….” Lestat to Louis in Episode 5.
“….this Madame LeClair, with whom Lestat was also occasionally amusing himself….” Louis about Lestat in IWTV.
He can be a cheeky brat, y’all. Louis knows this.
“He’d been told to do something and, brat that he was, didn’t like being told what to do.” Louis about Lestat in Episode 6.
As for Armand and Daniel, they’ve already hinted at Louis and Armand being different with the San Fran flashback. Armand tells Louis to “have your fun” which implied it was a regular thing for them to have other relationships. Rolin has hinted about what’s coming for Louis/Armand/Daniel, and it sounds like we could very well get a threesome with them. Especially with Louis always referring to Daniel as “our boy.” But yeah, like you said, it just doesn’t work for Loustat at this point. I think it’ll become clear after Season 2 exactly how they’re going to handle all the relationships. I’ve linked more of my thoughts on the poly relationships below.
Poly Vamp Speculation
#interview with the vampire#interview with the vampire amc#amc interview with the vampire#iwtv#iwtv amc#amc iwtv#iwtv 2022#lestat de lioncourt#louis de pointe du lac#loustat#iwtv season 2#iwtv season 3#iwtv speculation#the vampire chronicles#vampire chronicles#the vampire lestat
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ive been thinking about the differences between book and show armand when it comes to sharing his blood. from what i understand, book armand does not let anyone properly drink his vampiric blood until daniel. he tries to use that fact to bargain for lestat's love in TVL when he finds him in new orleans in the early 20th century ("love me and the blood is yours, this blood that i have never given to another.")
but show armand lets louis and lestat drink from him, even when he's insecure in his relationship with louis lasting (he recognises the taste of armand's blood in the coffin), and even before he's sure lestat loves him (in his telling of the story, anyway). i can't help but wonder if the extended amount of time he spent with marius had any influence on his feelings about this.
book amadeo was with marius for two years and during that time had a lot of spirit in him; he loved marius, but also criticised and questioned his behaviour, rebelled and challenged him, and was often punished for it in various ways. marius could take what he wanted from amadeo whenever he wanted it, but there was defiance there too that, by the time amadeo was made a vampire and they're later separated, marius had only just started to fully control. later, after being kidnapped by the children of darkness, armand held onto his blood as one last thing he still had autonomy over after everything else was taken away, this pure, untouched piece of him that was his alone and that he could choose to withhold or share.
show amadeo had ten more years as a human, and in that time marius came to truly own every part of him, could control when amadeo gave himself away and to whom, and complete codependency had been fostered between them for over a decade. there was no way or reason for amadeo to ever defy his master's wishes or question him the way he once did at this point. even though he resented that he would not turn him, he still depended wholly on his love and attention and would do anything for it. by the time he was taken by the children of darkness, maybe armand already felt he did not have anything left of himself that he could or should control. so after meeting lestat and the coven's collapse, armand starts to give his body and blood to others first (there's the added layer of physical sex in the show too) in an attempt to gain security and companionship and love from them afterwards.
#very surface level speculating here... especially considering we havent seen show armand and marius' dynamic yet#i can only assume what ten more years past what things were like in tva might evolve into#and how the lasting effects on him might be different compared to the book along with being older#iwtv#armand
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