#there's also a picture of Louis and Briana from January (?)

[twelvedaysinaugust]

Be honest. Do you think larry and freddie can both be real? For me personally, i think 75% of the time, i believe larry is (or was) real and freddie really is his son.

I mean, just swap Eleanor for Harry and there's the Elounor narrative.

[obviouslygenuinely]

Babygate Analysis/Conclusions: A Non-Larry Perspective

(Image Credit: Hollywood Life)

I'm prefacing this post with a few disclaimers:

After some consideration, I chose to write this without factoring in Larry whatsoever. No Larry-related points, proof, or speculation in any way. This is solely analyzing babygate from an unbiased perspective. 

I don't claim to know the entire truth. It is impossible for any of us to know.  What I conclude is based on direct evidence, circumstantial evidence, research, and analysis.

I am willing to discuss opposing views. I’m happy to talk about the topic in a civil, kind, and mature matter. I will dismiss any discourse that is aggressive, immature, and so on.

I did not include every single opinion/conclusion/piece of evidence I found. I condensed my thoughts as much as possible (and this is still a novel-length post). There are so many more points I can think of. However, babygate masterposts cover all of that; I’ll link to some of those at the end.

The conclusion points aren't in a very specific order. I aimed to list related points one after another. Aside from that, it's not in order of "hardest to weakest" evidence.

Please read “Author’s Notes” for additional clarity/input. They interject thoughts/etc. that I feel are necessary to include. 

Lastly, I included links to every source I cited in this post. However, I did not tag the Tumblr users. I’m not sure if they are comfortable with having Babygate questions/comments directed to their blogs. If you are a linked source and want to be tagged, please let me know! 

My Initial Reaction To Babygate

In February of 2020, I received several messages on LateToLarry requesting that I analyze something called “babygate”. I had no idea what babygate meant at the time. 

I learned what it meant, and prior to any research I felt the theory was so absurd. I also felt uncomfortable analyzing it because I believed I’d feel bias as a single mom. The idea of discussing a random child in depth initially bothered me, too. I declined to analyze it last year.

However, I did a LOT of research over time. My opinion has changed significantly. Below, I’ve shared my main conclusions and analysis about babygate. Thank you for reading and I hope you enjoy my post! 

1. No Paternity Test Was Performed Prior To The Pregnancy Announcement

Louis was/is a prominent celebrity and has a current net worth of $70 million. From legal, financial, and practical standpoints, it makes no sense for him to choose not to get a test. 

It’s unheard of in Hollywood and the entertainment industry. Any sensible team -lawyers, PR reps, managers, advisors, etc. - would not just go along with it. They are employed to protect his career and image. 

The Opposing Views

A. “Briana/Louis didn’t want to risk miscarriage with prenatal testing.”

Non-invasive testing is completely safe for fetuses and pregnant women, so there’s no medical reason for the lack of testing.

B. “Louis chose not to get the test done because he wanted to be a father and was invested in the pregnancy/parenting.”

Time has shown that this is not true. Louis does not have custody; there was a brief custody case in 2016 that led nowhere. He does not have a consistent or prominent role in the child’s life.

Conclusion

There is no logical reason for the lack of paternity testing prior to the announcement unless Louis knew he was not the father and all parties knew this to be true.

2. There Was No Confirmation Of A Paternity Test After The Birth

I’ll keep this section fairly short. A quick Google search returns dozens of conflicting reports. Many of them state that Louis demanded a paternity test shortly after birth. Other reports state that he has never pursued a paternity test. 

Here are a few examples:

“Louis Tomlinson not interested in paternity test” - Business Standard

“EXCLUSIVE: Louis Tomlinson Demanded a DNA Test “As Soon as the Baby Was Born”” - InTouch Weekly

“Louis Tomlinson: No DNA Test Needed ... Positive Freddie's His Son” -TMZ

“Louis Tomlinson & Briana Jungwirth: WhyHe Had DNA Test Done on His Newborn Son” - Hollywood Life

This Twitter thread discusses TMZ reports that - as of 2020 - no DNA test was done.

Conclusion

There is no reliable confirmation that Louis pursued a paternity test. The media cannot come to a general/factual consensus.

Again, there is no reasonable explanation for the lack of paternity testing unless Louis knows he is not the father of the child. 

3. The Conception-To-Birth Timeline Is Inconsistent/Unreliable

Pregnancy and conception as a whole can be rather confusing; timelines from conception to birth are unique to each person. Having said that, Briana’s timeline is full of glaring inconsistencies that don’t add up. 

I’ll begin with this timeline based on bulletprooflarry’s post and my own research. Dates I’ve added myself include linked sources:

May 5th, 2015 - Louis and Briana were first seen together in public.

May 6th to May 31st, 2015 - Briana and her mom followed baby-related social medial accounts.

May 12th, 2015 - Louis and Briana were pictured together in public.

July 3rd, 2015 - Louis is seen with Briana’s brother in Hollywood.

July 14th, 2015 - The first pregnancy report is published.

August 4th, 2015 - Louis confirms pregnancy on GMA.

January 21st, 2016 - The child is reportedly born.

Based on the dates above, these are the possible dates/milestones for her pregnancy:

Scenario A - If conception occurred on May 5th, Briana was 37 weeks and 2 days pregnant on January 21st, 2016. This is considered an early-term birth and about 26% of births occur at 37 weeks.

Scenario B - If conception occurred on May 12th, Briana was 36 weeks and 2 days pregnant on January 21st. This is considered a late-term or late premature birth and about 10% of births occur at 36 weeks.

These dates matter because Briana’s alleged hospital stay was not consistent with a premature or early-term birth. She was pictured in public - healthy and holding a baby carrier - within one week of giving birth. 

(Image Credit: Daily Mail)

(Image Credit: larrysbbrbb28)

If she gave birth based on the dates above, it’s extremely unlikely that she or the baby would be out in public so soon.

Below are screenshots of an additional timeline from an archived Tumblr post. It provides excellent points about more timeline inconsistencies: 

The main inconsistencies and red flags are bolded in the post. It supports the unreliable conception timeline, and it also mentions my next point - the official pregnancy announcement. 

The post above mentions that the Jungwirth family followed baby-related accounts before Briana could possibly know she was pregnant. Here’s one screenshot from skepticallarrie proving it:

I’ve also seen several posts that show inconsistencies with the size of Briana’s baby bump. Unfortunately, the most reliable post no longer exists. You can view a web archive of Briana’s pregnancy photos, but most of the image links are broke. 

The only post I have saved is a web archive of a long babygate post. The beginning of the post contains photos showing discrepancies in the size of Briana’s baby bump. 

The Opposing Views

“Pregnancy looks different on everybody, everyone recovers differently, etc.”

Yes, this is true and a valid point! As a woman who has gone through multiple pregnancies and two live births, I truly understand this argument. 

However, the sheer amount of inconsistencies are what make this a red flag. There are too many unreliable and contradicting points to brush this off. It goes beyond the point of “well, each person has a different experience”.

Conclusion

There are a few conclusions/scenarios I believe you can draw from the information above:

Briana was pregnant prior to meeting Louis.

Briana was never pregnant in the first place. 

Both are valid to consider, but I personally believe she was never pregnant. 

(Author’s note: My calculation for dates are based on the date of alleged conception. Most due date calculators, by default, use the date of a woman’s last mentrual period - LMP - to provide estimations.

I also used Date Duration Calendar for my calculations. Accessible due date calculators only allowed me to input dates from 2019/2020. Depending on the tools and dates you use, your mileage may vary.)

4. The Announcement Itself Was Highly Unusual

This point ties into the first and third points. I don’t consider it a major piece of evidence, but it’s noteworthy due to the other points. 

So, there are a few reasons why the Good Morning America announcement stands out. 

A. If Briana got pregnant on May 5th, then she was approximately 10 weeks pregnant when the first pregnancy report was published. This also means she was approximately 13 weeks pregnant at the time of the GMA announcement.

If Briana got pregnant on May 12th, she was approximately nine weeks pregnant at the time of the first report and approximately 12 weeks pregnant at the time of the GMA announcement.

B. The public announcement on Good Morning America raises a lot of questions. I’ve had multiple issues embedding the video; the bolded link takes you to the GMA announcement on YouTube. 

Anyways, these questions/thoughts - disregarding any Larry theories -  come to mind when watching the video: 

This is a segment for promoting/discussing their album/music.

The baby announcement is the sole non-album/music related topic that is mentioned during the segment.

The announcement is not organically worked into the segment as a natural talking point.

Louis’ reactions - such as bringing the microphone to his lips and not talking - is very unlike his standard interview demeanor.

The male interviewer and the band members have noticeable facial expressions and body language that suggest discomfort, stress, or awkwardness. 

A post by skepticalarrie draws similar conclusions. Her post is much more detailed than mine, and I highly recommend reading/viewing it. 

(Author’s Note: I’ve touched upon this on LateToLarry and will make a post here eventually, but body language and facial expressions are valid. They’re valid to the point that they are used in court cases.) 

Conclusion

My conclusions here are twofold. One is that: 

Announcing a pregnancy - especially a celebrity-related pregnancy - this early is extremely uncommon and unlikely.

The announcement itself seems out of place and very forced. 

This particular point, to me, is not extremely strong evidence. I still think it’s worth keeping in mind and is relevant to other points here. So, I’ve included it either way.

5. Briana Posted Stolen Pregnancy/Baby Photos On Social Media

(EDIT: I wrote this piece before the recent release of Briana’s alleged ultrasound and don’t have time to add it. It’s pretty strong proof and can easily be found in recent babygate posts.)

Babygate posts often point out that Briana and the Jungwirth family used stolen/fake pregnancy and baby photos on social media. It’s a well-known topic that’s often discussed. 

I’m condensing this section to a few examples. I encourage additional research if you’d like to see more. 

A. This Tumblr post shows stolen baby bump photos that Briana’s cousin Ashley posted on Twitter: 

B. This Tumblr post and Twitter post show a stolen baby photo that Briana posted on Instagram:

(Author’s Note: Since I was not active in the fandom at the time, I am relying on information from other blogs and social media posts. I vetted my sources pretty well, but any false information is my own mistake.)

Conclusions

The only word that sums this up is “suspicious”. Using stolen photos of a pregnant woman/baby is not necessary if you are legitimately pregnant. That’s really what it boils down to. It lends to the conclusion that Briana was never pregnant. 

6. Photos And Videos Of The Child Are Heavily Altered And Manipulated

It is indisputable that many photos and videos of the child are heavily manipulated to alter his appearance. This goes beyond filters, lighting, and angles. 

Several detailed posts show the manipulations; here are some examples:

A web archive of all Photoshop evidence from tellmethisisnotlove

An in-depth post from genuineconspiracy that includes detailed photo evidence.

A video post from freefreddiereign that shows Photoshop evidence based on photos the child. 

There is no doubt that his facial features are frequently altered. This is easy to conclude using any free software that detects Photoshop. As a photographer myself, I can easily spot the manipulations.

(Author’s Note: I know that directly discussing the child is controversial. When I first heard of babygate, my initial reaction was discomfort about analyzing a child.

I quickly learned/concluded that his family members are responsible for heavily putting him in the public eye. All content I’ve used for research is based on the family’s posts.

Still, I have personally chosen not post pictures of the child, but the links I am sharing contain photos/videos of him.

Additionally, I used FotoForensics on photos of myself prior to writing this. It was important to me to feel absolutely certain about this point. I’m fine with sharing my own FotoForensics images if anyone is curious.)

The Opposing Views

A. “Freddie looks like Louis in pictures that aren’t Photoshopped.”

Parentage cannot be based on whether or not a child looks like his mother/father. I understand the viewpoint, but it’s simply not evidence. Additionally, thinking the child looks like Louis is a matter of opinion. 

There’s also the fact that appearance means nothing overall. Science backs up this statement very well. Examples and references:

“How can children from the same parents look so different?” by HowStuffWorks

“My Baby Looks Nothing Like Me: A Genetic Explanation” by FamilyEducation

Additionally, here is a personal anecdote. I have two sons close to Freddie’s age. One of them looks exactly like his father and nothing like me. The other looks exactly like me and nothing like his father. Despite how they look, they are both of them are our biological children. 

Conclusion

There is no reasonable explanation for altering the child’s appearance - particularly to make him look more similar to Louis. 

I cannot think of a single argument as to why the Jungwirth family would do this unless they need/want the child to look a specific way. 

7. Johannah Deakin’s Official Obituary Does Not Mention The Child

When looking into babygate, I read the argument that the child is legitimately Louis’ son because he is listed as her grandchild in Internet-based obituaries and announcements. 

I also read the counter-argument that Louis’ mother’s official newspaper/print obituary does not mention the child.  I recall seeing proof, but I did not save it at the time. I did some research and this appears to be true. 

The Doncaster Free Press is a local weekly newspaper in Doncaster, and it published an article about the funeral. The article is NOT an obituary itself, but it does list her obituary details. The publication does not list the child among the surviving family members. 

If a mistake is made regarding these details, it’s typical for newspapers to post a correction addressing a misprint. Upon further research, the Doncaster Free Press did not issue a correction at any time. 

(Author’s Note: I lost my own mother and am personally familiar with how local obituaries are written. Immediate family members - i.e. spouses and adult children - provide information regarding surviving family members.) 

Conclusion

The conclusion here is straightforward. Louis and his family chose not to include the child in his mother’s official obituary. This strongly suggests that he is not legitimately related to Louis. 

My Opinion-Based Conclusions

Update: After some consideration, I am saving my opinion-based conclusions for a separate post. I originally intended to include them here; transparency is important to me.

Unfortunately, the section became rather long and took away from the main post points. So, I’ll be working on a post that’s just my opinion-based conclusions. In the meantime, feel free to message me with any questions. 

Final Thoughts

If you’ve made it this far, thank you for taking the time to read my post! I appreciate the interest expressed for it, and I hope it lives up to expectations. 

Again, I want to reiterate this is:

Not an all-inclusive post; I narrowed down my findings to seven points.

Not a masterpost on babygate.

Purposely omitting any potential Larry-related points to remove bias. 

I’ve reread this quite a few times, and it’s as error-free as possible. If you spot any mistakes/errors, I’m completely open to making corrections. Just kindly let me know. 

This list contains references/research about babygate that I consider the most reliable. It includes Larry and non-Larry related Babygate content.

Tumblr posts tagged with babygate by Tumblr use genuineconspiracy.

A web archive of babygate posts by Tumblr user tellmethisisnotlove (her account was deactivated by staff).

Tumblr posts tagged with babygate by darkrainbowlouis.

Tumblr posts tagged with babygate by skepticalarrie.

Lastly, if there’s interest in an opinion-related post or Larry-related post, I’ll consider writing them. Feel free to let me know as you all did with this post. 

Thanks!

Amy (obviouslygenuinely/latetolarry)

[larrytimelines]

May 2021 complete timeline

May 1 (Sat): Holivia allegedly at Soho Farmhouse

May 2 (Sun): Video “leaks” via Olivia Dexter on IG of Holivia at Soho Farmhouse the day before. (video here and here)

Picture of Holivia outside Harry’s public house in London, tho that could be from April 26th, when we got that pic of them allegedly “at brunch”. (pictures here)

Niall and Eleanor unfollow each other on IG. (link here and here)

May 3 (Mon): Crew/equipment for My Policeman filming spotted in Worthing. Harry also spotted there. (link here)

First pictures of Harry filming My Policeman in Worthing outside Brighton come out. He can be seen filming a kissing scene with Emma. (Pictures here).

More pap pics of the My Policeman set in Brighton come out. Harry can be seen in his policeman outfit filming with David Dawson. (Pictures here)

Article with pictures of Jason and his and Olivia’s kids playing at the park during the weekend comes out. (Link here)

May 4 (Tue): Pictures and videos of Harry filming My Policeman in Brighton with David Dawson come out. (Pictures here, video here)

More evidence from the Reddit Eternals leak comes out, which seems to confirm Harry will play Starfox in Marvel’s Eternals. His role will likely be a few seconds during the end credits scene. The movie comes out November 5. (link here)

May 5 (Wed): Harry is pictured filming My Policeman in Brighton. (Pictures here and here)

May 6 (Thur): Pictures of Harry filming My Policeman at the beach in Brighton come out. Later in the day the MP UA is sent a picture of Harry, David Dawson and Emma Corrin filming. (Pictures here and here)

May 7 (Fri): Pictures of Harry filming My Policeman at the beach in Brighton come out. (pictures here and video here)

Deuxmoi posts original dm saying Holivia was at Soho Farmhouse and drove a Ferrari the previous weekend. (link here)

Deuxmoi posts security cam video of Holivia from January 3 or 4 in Santa Barbara during the stunt weekend and Jeff’s wedding. Harry looks extremely uncomfortable in the video. (video here)

May 8 (Sat): Deuxmoi posts dm from same person claiming Holivia flew from Brighton to Soho Farmhouse on May 1. (link here)

May 9 (Sun): Harry filming My Policeman in Brighton. (pictures here)

May 10 (Mon): A chilly Harry is pictured on set of My Policeman in Brighton. (pictures here)

BMG announces new partnership for Louis’ new album, having him on as an independent artist. (link here and here)

May 11 (Tue): Louis confirms he’s an independent artists with BMG by retweeting a press article from Music Weekly. (screenshot here)

Harry is pictured on set of My Policeman in Brighton. (video here)

Harry attends the 2021 BRITs awards with his friend Tomo Campbell, wins Single of the Year for Watermelon Sugar and leaves immediately after. (photos and pictures here)

May 12 (Wed): Harry is seen on set of My Policeman in Brighton along with David Dawson. (video here)

May 13 (Thur): Harry and Emma Corrin are seen filming My Policeman in Brighton. Later Harry is filmed yelling out of his car window at a group of people exercising that they should “squat, squat, squat!”. (pictures and video here)

May 14 (Fri): Harry is seen filming my Policeman in Brighton with David Dawson. (pictures here)

May 15 (Sat): Outtakes from Harry’s SNL 2019 drop via HLD. (Pictures here and here)

May 16 (Sun): Pictures of Harry in DWD come out. (pictures here)

Paul Roberts posts pics of him and Harry rehearsing for TPWK mv (pictures here)

May 17 (Mon): no updates

May 18 (Tue): My Policeman filming in Brighton. Older cast is seen filming. Harry in Brighton. (video here)

May 19 (Wed): My Policeman filming in Brighton. Harry and Emma seen filming. (video here)

May 20 (Thur): My Policeman filming in Brighton. Harry is seen filming swimming scenes in the ocean. (photos here)

Harris Reed’s birthday at the Decimo restaurant at The Standard Hotel in London -> Harry does not attend.

Harry and Olivia allegedly have dinner at the Refuel Bar & Restaurant at The Soho Hotel in London. (pictures here)

Louis can be heard in a video posted on his friend’s Nizam’s IG story. Tumblr accounts report in tags they were in Newcastle. (video here)

May 21 (Fri): Picture of Holivia allegedly at dinner the previous night is spread. Deuxmoi reposts the picture on her account.

May 22 (Sat): Pictures of a couple walking in a park in London are spread by Harry IG accounts. They claim it’s Holivia. (pictures here).

May 23 (Sun): no updates

May 24 (Mon): Tweets from a girl on twitter come out where she claims the pictures of Holivia from May 22nd are in fact pictures of her friends. This information could not be verified. (screenshots here)

Deuxmoi posts a photoshopped picture of Holivia and claims “they are very serious”. Once called out for the fake picture she proceeds to throw a tantrum and shit on fans while doubling down on her “they’re very serious” comment. (screenshots here)

Briana posts picture of Freddie at the beach. Tammi posts on IG for the first time in 2 months more pictures of Freddie and Austin at the beach. Pictures are all from the same day. (pictures here)

May 25 (Tue): Eleanor posts on IG for the first time in 2 weeks. She posts a video of Louis putting a hat on Cliff. Video is at Louis’ public house in London. (video here)

Briana replies to a picture Lottie posted on her IG saying she should come to LA. Lottie replies. (screenshot here)

Video of a white boy out to dinner is spread by Harry IG accounts. Fans who took the video claim it’s Harry. They later backtrack saying they couldn’t be sure it was him, Tom Holland or a rando. Video allegedly at a restaurant in Hampstead Heath. (video here)

bts pictures of Harry on the set of Don’t Worry Darling come out. (pictures here)

Harry files documents establishing a cosmetics and perfume company currently by the name ‘Pleased As’. (screenshots and link here)

Louis tweets letting us know he was writing that day. (screenshots here)

May 26 (Wed): Eleanor posts IG story of her taking the tube (subway) close to her mom’s house. (picture here)

Olivia is papped getting coffee alone in Barnes, London (where she lives with Jason. (Pictures here, here and here).

May 27 (Thur): Article comes out about Olivia on a coffee run in Barnes. Pictures used are from the previous day. Main focus of article is Olivia’s next projects, her family and the Jason relationship timeline. Harry is only mentioned once. (article screenshot here, direct article link here)

May 28 (Fri): Robert Harvey and Paul Whalley post pictures of themselves in a studio and tag Louis in them. A person behind the microphone can be seen, speculated to be Louis. (Photos here and here)

Jamie Hartman replies to fans on Twitter saying he is not currently writing music with Louis but that he has written many songs with him that are in consideration for LT2. (screenshot here)

Ted Lasso (Jason’s show) finishes filming season 2 (screenshot here)

May 29 (Sat): Krupa Music posts an IG story with the text “won’t be long now” and tag Louis in it. The story shows Louis’ tour drums with Doncaster’s zip code and his signature smiley on a banner. In the video a man who is behind the camera says “Styles! When I start the video, don’t laugh” to which someone (cough Harry cough) who is sounds like Harry replies “Rude.” Then the same person replies “Bukkake/Bull cocky/we’re cocky/you’re cocky!” (video here and here)

Harry bumps into fans in Cheshire, likely the Manchester area (speculation). (Picture here)

May 30 (Sun): Louis is pictured on several pics at his friend’s Nizam’s wedding in Durham. Eleanor is with him, as is Oli. (Pictures here and here)

May 31 (Mon): Pictures from Saturday of Harry with fans come out. Fans don’t disclose his location. (Pictures here)

Louis is confirmed by screenwriter to be in consideration to play Jamie Vardy in his biopic. (screenshot here)

[billiejeanenthusiast]

Boobiegate masterpost

We know what they did this summer - and oh boy, was a it a wild summer that - unfortunately for us - stretched into autumn and beyond any reason.

I will first go over everything as it happened and then - because when you look back at everything you realise some timelines overlap - I’ll try to clarify some stuff and put it into perspective.

NOTE: I’m writing the dates from a GMT time zone point of view (aka. UK time)

So let’s start from the beginning. 

Briana breaks up with Brody Jenner after dating him for some random attention seeking period. (June-September roughly)

Here’s an article talking about that irrelevant relationship. https://www.yourtango.com/2020334835/who-brody-jenner-girlfriend-briana-jungwirth-louis-tomlinson-baby-mama Now let’s fast forward a bit to September. 

September 23rd

So on September 23rd we’re flooded with articles about Brody and Bri breaking up and Bri getting back together with her “on-again off-again (boy)friend Nick” and the biggest surprise “BRI IS ENGAGED”

So the story is: 

Bri ended her relationship with Brody because “they were moving too fast” and he had “already met Freddie” 

She then gets back together with her on-again, off-again bf Nick Gordon 

She, her family, and Nick go on a “whirlwind” trip to Las Vegas (MIND YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC) 

Bri and Nick get engaged during those Covid inviting few days in Vegas (September 21st- September 23rd) 

Articles drop about how they’re engaged and she’s broken up with Brody (Sept 23rd) 

Bri, family and Nick all share a huge amount of Vegas pictures of them in love, Bri’s ring, Bri and Nick being a couple (pictures obviously taken before Vegas to hopefully make someone believe that this in no way is a whirlwind engagement after just knowing each other a few weeks. Did they convince anyone? Well if you are convinced - I’m worried for you) 

Here’s the tmz article:https://www.tmz.com/2020/09/23/brody-jenner-split-briana-jungwirth-engaged/ Here’s some pics of them we were all subjected to while they were in Vegas. And Nick’s new public profile when it just got made. Was he trying to start an influencer career and say goodbye to being a firefighter? Was he trying to get a night job taking off that all firefighter gear for money? Magic mike was a big movie after all….Who knows.

September 28th

At first the engagement pictures on Nick’s IG were just him and Briana and he used the #/shesaidyes. After a few days and probably after they realised it would be a smart move to acknowledge her kid she claims to have too (👀) he deleted those and on September 28th posted new pictures with a new caption and new # of course. This time “theysaidyes”.

The pictures are below.

But, moving on.

As soon as the engagement news drops, we have Nick - our “good-guy firefighter” making a new and public IG account, flooding it with pictures where he professes his love for Bri and soaking up the d-list association fame.

So in the coming weeks we get a lot of Nick, Bri and their families on IG. They post a lot about being constantly together.

What was the most interesting they really pushed the “dad” image on Nick. He was constantly posting about Freddie and even in Bs or Tammi’s stories he was always seen interacting with F the most.

Then after it seemed like the new fiancees had settle into their soon-to-be married life and everything seemed rosy for them - we get hit with the whammy BOOBIEGATE.

Because hell hath no fury like a sugar daddy scorned.

October 15th

On the 15th of October celebtm a gossip site, posts the next picture and caption on IG:

Basically, they’re saying a guy - his name unknown yet - contacted them to tell them how Briana scammed him out of money she borrowed to get a boob job. Specifically 5k USD. He claims he filed the case in court and it’s dated January.

They ask if anyone else has similar receipts or anything about her and that they’re investigating and will be writing a story. And the comments have a lot to say about Bri.

October 19th

4 days later on October 19th celebtm posts another IG update about how they have the court filing and how their article is in progress.

October 21st

2 days after the last IG post celebtm finally posts their article - on the 21st of October

https://celebmagazine.com/louis-tomlinson-briana-jungwirth-sued-over-boob-job/

(It’s on the web still - if it ever gets deleted let me know I have screen recordings of it)

The article is accompanied by this (below) IG post:

Also on this day we get Briana and Nick deactivating their IG profiles. Nick still kept his personal private IG and the only person who stayed public is Tammi.

October 22nd

A day after the article dropped there’s another IG post with the following picture and caption. Apparently, Sugar Daddy shared his receipts - specifically AmEx - with celebtm.

October 26th

On October 26th celebtm posts the second part of the article. It’s messier, with a more confusing timeline than the first, but tries to “spill” more details on Sugar Daddies relationship with Briana and her life in general.

Also by now we know his name - Michael Strauss. An investor in Warwick club in LA.

https://celebmagazine.com/louis-tomlinson-baby-mama-briana-jungwirth-double-life/

(Again this is the link - if the article gets taken down and you want to see it - DM me)

October 27th

Then a day later we get another IG post - no new article - just more excerpts from what the Sugar Daddy told celebtm.

Then it’s quiet for a few days and when you think this can’t get even more trashy - low and behold the circus that is called October 29th.

October 29th

So after a few days of silence celebtm strikes again, but this time they bring in TV’s most loved judge - Judge Judy. Apparently the TV show was willing to take this litigation and air it as an episode.

As always, they post an IG post and a caption, and the article mentioned in the IG caption below is basically an article written for clicks about Louis and Harry because they saw the larrie part of the fandom was getting them clicks. I’ll leave the link to the article here for documentation purposes, but honestly there’s nothing in there worth giving them clicks for. Not a thing. The title of the article is “A Complete Guide to 1D Members Louis Tomlinson and Harry Styles’ Rumoured Relationship”

Article: https://celebmagazine.com/louis-tomlinson-harry-styles-relationship/

November 6th

We see the sudden return from social media exile of Bri to IG. She’s back - with a post and the description ironically saying “I’m back”. I refuse to post it because does anyone really want to look at her face-tuned selfies? 

November 9th

Then after weeks of radio silence, the return of Bri to IG, we get what is apparently the - very underwhelming - like Bri’s boobs to Sugar Daddy who never got to see them - conclusion to this Sugar Daddy drama. This following article which is basically a letter from Michael to Briana telling her how he’s giving up on the lawsuit, taking this as a life lesson and how he hopes no one else falls for her scams. Article below:

https://celebmagazine.com/michael-straus-briana-jungwirth-open-letter-to-one-direction-louis-tomlinson-alleged-baby-mama/

(Again this is the link - if the article gets taken down and you want to see it - DM me)

And of course - the article is accompanied by an IG post by celebtm.

So, here we currently are. After watching that circus show no one wanted not paid for (well except the Sugar Daddy, and he didn’t even get to see the thing he paid for - so sad.) we’re in November and the Jungwirths and company are back to their carefree posting on IG. 

Current status:

The lawsuit seems to have been dropped. 

Everything seems to be in process of being swept under the rug.

Nick - the loving fiancee - is back to IG too. All of his happy, loving pictures with Bri still up (some deleted) - so we must assume their love survived Boobiegate.

As for overlapping timelines:

The timelines overlap mostly during the months March-October with it being said Bri dated Brody, but was also taking money from Boobie Daddy who was helping her during the pandemic, and was later also apparently starting a serious relationship with Nick.

What actually went on - I don’t know. And I’m honestly not interested to find out. This is being mentioned just so anyone coming across this post knows that yes - you didn’t read it wrong - the timelines do overlap with different people saying different things and Bri being tied to all three men at those times without any real clear timeline for the relationships.

So far this is all there is to this mess. If there’s more - I’ll do a part two or addition.

I’d like to end this with saying - these masterposts are 95% just me making them for myself because I forget stuff, and so much goes on in the fandom that if I want to keep up with it all, I need a nice timeline for things. I’m posting this for anyone wanting to make sense of this circus too or just to put it into a timeline. I did fact check all the dates, posts, IG pics, links and so on - but mistakes can happen - if there is one feel free to let me know.

[1ddotdhq]

💀Wed 28 Oct ‘20🏡

Zayn is back, Louis has pink hoodies (sort of), Liam is tik tokking like a pro, Harry feeds fish, Simon Cowell’s surgery recovery has stalled and is going poorly (great! couldn’t have happened to a more deserving human), but we’ve got too much real news to waste anymore time on that asshole! 

We ended last night with ZAYN SINGING TO US!! Beautiful black and white footage of beautiful Zayn and his perfect voice; he shows us little snippets of himself crooning James Bay's Hold Back the River and Paolo Nutini's Last Request (not for the first time on this one, he did this song before in the lead up to Icarus Falls... more on that in a minute) while reading lyrics off his phone, captioned 'Cover Sessions.' Good god but I have missed his ethereal warbling! The post alone is an unexpected blessing and a gift but the implied promise of more to come?? YES PLEASE I CANNOT WAIT. Some wonder if it could be for a Spotify Sessions, others are screaming about how Icarus Falls' drop was preceded by weeks of black and white cover song videos on instagram (when asked at that time if he was releasing something he said “yes why else do you think I'd be on here singing for you??” LOL, adore this man, but also, hello!) Anyway yesterday we got not only music and the promise of more to come, but also interaction! He chatted in comments, offering a coy 'maybe' to a comment saying 'acoustic', posting laugh cry emojis at his own jokes (“no YOU stop”), and sending love back to his happy zquad, who were of course overwhelmed and over the moon. He's cut his hair off but with all he's given us today can we be sad? It's a small price to pay. James Bay reposted the cover of his song-- “nice one man x.”

Then, Louis officially dropped his Kill My Mind Lyric drop (on the 28th!!!):  the lyric being represented is “the devil in my brain”, and it is indeed a skull with a tophat over a cauldron. The new stuff features the cute little logo embroidered on various black cold weather wear items (including a sweater!) and says 'lyric drop 2' inside the collar of the shirts. BUT! There’s more! We’ve got some more wavy walls hoodies in pink lettering, as well as fuzzy red lettering and a marble red and pink design. Love it! However, it was discovered that this new merch does not ship to India or LATAM (except Costa Rica) and honestly?? RUDE!! Louis’ LATAM fans are the FUCKING BEST (no I’m not biased wdym???). They do, however, ship to Vatican City for some reason so catch the Pope in his Walls merch! Louis did respond to this issue on twitter, though, and said, “I’ll get more info on this ASAP. Anywhere else?” so dioceses all over the world will soon be able to rock out in their KMM merch. Celebtm also came back for round three to tell everyone that they were removing themselves from the narrative until January (good riddance), but not before leaving a message from Michael Straus (ugh) to Louis and his “son” (the quote marks are theirs, not mine, in case you’re wondering where they stand on the issue). Straus’ last hurrah included claims that Briana gets a direct deposit from Louis (or his team) on the first of every month, spends it all immediately and is left destitute for the rest of the month, and that neither Briana nor Freddie have health insurance. He then offered to help Louis get custody of Freddie. Um, right. I’m sure his help would be invaluable. Also, we all agree that he’s a liar and likely doesn’t know shit and is trying to make himself seem like the hero instead of the gross misogynist he is right? 

A story was also released about Harry’s car breaking down in the UK over the summer. He did what anyone would do (I suppose?) and knocked on someone’s door to see if they could help. Well, it turns out their daughter is a fan, so they invited him in for a cup of tea, and allowed him to snoop around her room. They even took a picture of him feeding her goldfish! The photographer who took the picture is (coincidentally?) a professional, who has worked with Kasey Musgraves before. The fan did not get to meet him, but he signed her album, and left her a note promising to meet her at a concert, which he would be inviting them to. Harry has done some other cool things in the last few days (being politically active IS cool), and has started filming DWD in Palm Springs. He was spotted by a fan (though no pictures were released) and he signed her phone cover - it reads “Golden” with a little heart. 

Harry also ignited discourse by *shuffles papers,scratches head in confusion* his endorsement of Joe Biden? Well, there were a few layers to this condemnation. The first were the people who... thought he might be a Trump supporter and were disappointed that he was not? Well, uh, clearly they have not been paying close attention, because this man has been seen this year in a BLM rally, has shouted “fuck Boris, fuck the government”, and has waved multiple different pride flags (including the trans flag!) at his concerts. IDK how that screamed Trump supporter to some people. And then there were the people who were angry that he captioned the tweet “I would vote with kindness”. The words I have seen thrown around are “disingenuous” “privileged” and “this is not enough.” Well! Harry has often been criticized for encouraging fans to simply “vote” without talking specifics; now he's endorsed a candidate, just as requested! And while no one actually LIKES Biden there is no question (in any world except absurd fandom wank circles) that this endorsement is the correct one out of the viable candidates. He is not saying that Biden is himself kind, which yes would be weird, he is saying that voting for Biden is the kinder choice and you know what? He is correct. If you think that we at 1ddotd are gonna condemn him for taking a stance against a fascist, uh, THINK AGAIN!

It was confirmed that Liam’s mystery collab is Dixie D’Amelio, of tik tok fame, and I’m going to refrain from commenting until I hear the song! Liam continues to lean into both Christmas and Halloween by doing his spooky tik toks and NOT putting jump scare warnings in ANY OF THEM, thanks so much for that one Liam, love it loads! His fun, spooky, dorky ones (in full AWESOME looking makeup thanks to MUA Abby Roberts who’s quickly becoming a regular) are amazing though, and I will miss it when Halloween is over. And Niall was on the Elvis Duran show, mid-golf game with his cousin actually, to talk about them about his concert, the venue, the cause (calling his crew “like family”), and calling out the government (go Niall!)! He ALSO took to twitter and said, “I wish I could vote”. He would also not be voting for Trump, in case anyone actually needs that spelled out.

[the28thofseptemberr]

over the past couple of days i’ve seen some more theories concerning the h+o stunt, so i thought i would compile some of the information people have found and add some more detail, as well some of my own thoughts!

olivia + stunts

@/purplehazelwt on twitter found that olivia has a history doing pr stunts, especially where she is romantically linked to someone she’s doing a movie with.

exhibit a: olivia and her first husband announced their separation in early february 2011. on march 1st, 2011, she and ryan gosling were filmed on a “secret date” and numerous articles came out about them being a couple (link to some of these articles: here and here). they weren’t co-stars or working together on a movie, but ryan had an upcoming film called “crazy, stupid, love” that was released later in july 2011. olivia was also going to be in another upcoming film - more details in the next example.

exhibit b: olivia was in a movie called “in time” that was released in october 2011. justin timberlake was the male lead in the movie, and in april 2011 several articles came out about justin and olivia getting cozy in a nightclub, and of course speculation that they were a couple (link to some of these articles: here and here).

exhibit c: in june 2011, it was announced that olivia would be joining the cast of a movie called “the words”, in which bradley cooper is the male lead. in may 2011 (the month before), they were seen getting close and quite a few articles were released about them possibly being in a relationship (link to one of these articles: here).

olivia began dating her ex-fiancé, jason sudeikis, in november 2011, so she didn’t really get romantically linked to anyone for years, up until now. however, from the above examples, it shows that olivia has a history of doing pr stunts for projects she’s involved in, and that’s likely what’s happening right now with harry.

did olivia + jason really break up?

@/whosheisss on twitter raised the theory that olivia and jason sudeikis (her  ex-fiancé) didn’t break up. a quick history of their relationship: as i said before, they began dating in november 2011, then they got engaged in january 2013. they have two children together, and in november 2020 they announced that they had broken up earlier that year. here’s why their break up might not have been real:

olivia and jason’s split was announced in a people exclusive article (link: here) on november 13, 2020, where a source close to them told people magazine that olivia and jason had split earlier in 2020, but they were on good terms and were co-parenting well.

the source said they split in early 2020, so maybe around january to march. but in august, jason did an interview with access hollywood and said this (link: here):

and in august he also did an interview with et where he said olivia helped inspire his new show (link: here):

on september 9 and 16, jason and olivia were papped at a beach in malibu, where they were laughing, hugging, playing and looking like they were having a lot of fun (link to september 9 pictures: here)

in october, jason went on the drew barrymore show (link: here) and said this:

on november 16, olivia and jason were seen embracing and getting pretty close, 3 days after their split was announced. in the pictures, she was also still wearing her engagement ring (link to article: here):

on december 20, olivia and jason were seen sharing a “long and loving embrace” (as just jared puts it). olivia was also holding jason’s face into her hands and “staring deep into jason’s eyes” (again, just jared’s words and not mine) and essentially looking like they were still very close (link to article & more pictures: here):

and of course, olivia was seen still wearing her engagement ring in the recent pap pics with harry:

olivia was also seen going to jason’s house on january 4th (link: here).

obviously, pictures of olivia and jason meeting up and hugging don’t necessarily mean they’re still together, as the breakup article stated they were still on good terms. however, the way jason was talking about olivia in interviews and the fact that olivia still wears her engagement ring suggests they might not have broken up at all and their breakup is a publicity stunt.

recently, there have been articles about jason being heartbroken about harry and olivia and him being willing to repair things with olivia (link: here). and of course there was this anon:

it does seem very plausible that olivia and jason never broke up, but they announced that they did and coordinated this stunt with harry. if jason is going to start “fighting for the love of his life and his family” and he and olivia get back together, it would bring a lot of publicity to all parties involved (jason, olivia and harry), so it would be a win-win situation for everyone - theoretically, anyway.

the timing

as mentioned before, olivia and jason’s split was announced in november 2020, even though they had apparently split in early 2020 and were still acting like a couple before and after the announcement. the pap pics of harry and olivia are theorized to have been taken in november, as the wedding venue and the restaurants in santa barbara where they were seen have been closed for a while because of the pandemic. so, if the pap pictures were taken in november then released in january, and olivia and jason’s split was announced in november as well, it definitely looks like this is a planned publicity stunt and olivia and jason might not have broken up at all.

why they want publicity

so if all of this is an elaborate stunt to get harry, jason and olivia publicity, what is it for? olivia and harry have dwd of course, and since olivia is directing and acting in it, plus it’s got well-known celebrities like harry, florence pugh, chris pine, etc. in the cast, it makes sense her team would want to hype up this movie. besides just promoting dwd, harry is also nominated for 3 grammys this year. the ceremony was originally scheduled for january 31st but was pushed to march 14th recently. but since this stunt was likely thought of in november 2020, they wouldn’t have known that and assumed the ceremony would be in january. as for jason, he co-writes and stars in an apple tv+ show called “ted lasso”. the first season was released in august 2020 and apparently the production of the second season could be starting this month, so he’d want to promote his show too, especially since he’s the star.

this could also help distract people from the babygate situation, a theory that @/ONLYGOLDENN on twitter raised. basically, recently louis flew to la and people are speculating it might be because of briana’s court case, which supposedly will be happening on january 20th. people have also been theorizing that louis may get involved in the case and take a paternity test and babygate could be ending - in any case, things may be happening soon and this stunt with harry and olivia might be trying to distract people.

conclusion

sorry for another unnecessarily long post, but essentially this is the possible reason for the stunt and the direction the stunt could be going in (jason and olivia getting back together). credit to @/purplehazelwt, @/ONLYGOLDENN and @/whosheisss on twitter for finding some of this information!!

[dogsliampaynedoesntinstagram]

And while it hasn't convinced me that Louis is a father, it has convinced me that he's committed to performing being a father at the moment, which I never have been before.

I'm really curious about this part. And it's really interesting to me that you said that. Because to me, Louis always seemed to be committed to performing being a father but with different degrees. Because I remember him announcing his birth via a tweet and then when Freddie was just a few months old Louis brought him to Doncaster and then that time with Danielle on the beach( I always thought they were going with the girlfriend loves my child and we're all one big happy family narrative but Briana unexpectedly came in and ruined it). He also used to tweet about him and post pictures of him. And also he talks about him in interviews.

My question is why do you think he wasn't committed before?

So a couple of things here - one is what I meant when I said that Louis was committed to performing being a father and the other what I made of what I saw in 2016.

Like I said to the other anon, I'd be interested to know how you engaged with this at the time. It seems like you were noticing, but weren't hanging on every detail, which is a reasonable way to view it and I'm sure it looked more convincing that way.

As I said to the previous anon, what was so noticeable in the first few months of 2016 was that there was no coherence to the story they were telling, it was removed from context, and there was no sense of intimacy. I think the lack of context is probably the most noticeable. He was papped so often doing things with Freddie that he had no reason to do except to get papped. The photos of him and Freddie were rarely natural, and instead on weird white backgrounds (I don't think they were photoshopped, but they weren't in any context).

Now I don't think any of this tells us much about whether Louis is Freddie's father. Because I do think if he was the father it would have been messy (as I've said before I think most of what happened from April 2016 onwards, and even more so what happened from January 2017 onwards is reasonably consistent with a father who isn't that engaged. And what's happened recently would also fit with that same father trying harder). But I do think it suggests various weirdness about how Louis was negotiating that time in public. (I remember thinking at the time, as Oli and Louis were photographed in a mall eating pizza - how is this people trying to be convincing? Did Oli and Louis come up with this stoned? Do they need a consultant).

When I said that Louis is committed to performing being a father I meant something quite specific. Obviously he has performed being a father ever since Freddie was born. But until recently it always felt reactive - like he was going along with something that had been set up. It didn't feel like there was any effort to tell a specific story or convince people, instead it felt like the question was 'how do we get through this bit' - whether it was a pap pic or an interview. (Again I don't think this tells us anything about whether he was a father. It'd be quite normal for him to be quite unsure about how to relate to the fact he was a father in public under the circumstances).

What is different about what happened this year is that it was proactive not reactive, coherent and portrayed in a believable way (with context of his life and an appropriate amount of intimacy).

[sadaveniren]

I don't understand anything. Literally. Can you explain what happened with the furniture and the video pls pls pls?

Basically what happened is that the birthday video and all the pictures coming out from the Js of the birthday were filmed in what we know is Briana’s old house. We know it’s her old house because of the furniture and the white rug that her and Ashley constantly took pictures of.

This is all find and dandy except we also know Briana no longer lives in her old house. She moved out in early January and is now apparently living with Olivia and her mom.

We also know that the old house had an open house the day of Freddie’s bday, which means strangers were going and looking at the house to try and buy it. Not necessarily the perfect environment to have a first birthday party, especially considering Louis owns like 2 LA houses.

Soooooo either they went late at night to the old house after the open house to have a bday party which??????? OR! They filmed the bday party a couple weeks ago. Which also??????